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Browns Called The Chiefs About Trading For Berry But Never Got A Call Back

One of the best parts of the draft is what happens weeks, months and even years later when we find out which team wanted which player.

Today we find out the Browns wanted Eric Berry.

How bad?

Enough to call the Chiefs on draft day about trading up from the 7th spot to the 5th spot. The likely compensation, reports Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, was a third round pick.

So what did the Chiefs say?

Nothing. They never called the Browns back.

Apparently a third round pick wasn't enough to dissuade the Chiefs from selecting Berry.

Chiefs GM Scott Pioli covets second and third round picks so that should tell you how highly they think of Berry.

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Haha

we had to pick Berry, or he would have picked us!

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on May 17, 2010 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Must've valued him enough

To not only draft him but draft him at 5. I’d have a hard time believing they just drafted him just because and didn’t have a lot of value in him

by KCinIL on May 17, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree Justin.

A 2nd rounder and we would have done it for sure.

by Chiefsfan1970 on May 17, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

3rd about right

To move back 2 spots a 3rd round pick would be about right. But when the top player on your draft board in a position of need is there when you are picking you don’t trade down.

by tevans96 on May 17, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I might have done it for BOTH of Clevelands 3rds.

But not for just one.

Founding Member of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fan Club (for the children). +7

Do not lack of ambition to aim above mediocrity. We offer no hope for the person who is so indifferent as not to want to get ahead in life, and who is not willing to pay the price.

by BigRedChief on May 17, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

If it were for a 2nd then, in this deep of a draft, HELL yes.

Founding Member of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fan Club (for the children). +7

Do not lack of ambition to aim above mediocrity. We offer no hope for the person who is so indifferent as not to want to get ahead in life, and who is not willing to pay the price.

by BigRedChief on May 17, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not for a third rounder.

Berry is a good player. Since he hasn’t taken an NFL snap yet, it remains to see how good he’s going to be with us. However, the number 7pick and a third rounder isn’t enough compensation. Maybe a second rounder, or both of the third rounders, but not just one.

by BetterRedThanDead on May 17, 2010 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

McClain and a 3rd would have worked

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on May 17, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

if they would have picked maclain at 7

i would have been ok with it. I’m good with where we are are at though.

by dwil2009 on May 17, 2010 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

This...

McClain and a third in a heartbeat.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 17, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on May 17, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love this

I love that other teams wanted Eric Berry so badly and I love the fact that the Chiefs had NO desire to return any calls about it because they wanted him in a Chiefs uniform.

Amazing.

"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"

Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.

by SwimCoach on May 17, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you're ignoring the the value of the trade...

If the Browns would have offered a 2nd you would have cut yourself a few weeks ago.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on May 17, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would have been fine

if they had taken it, mcclain at 7, and then say everson griffen, navarro bowman, brandon ghee, or even bruce campbell….

by liquorstoreclerk on May 17, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Appearantly KC had Berry much higher than McClain on their board

It’s good that we got who we wanted.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 17, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Hell to the Nah..

I have a feeling if this would have happened, we’d be talking about Bulaga being a Chief, whoopty-shit.

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith

by severn58 on May 17, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Even though we didn't take a single OT in the draft... you still think there was any truth to the Bulaga rumors.

I don’t think so.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on May 17, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never. LT was NEVER on our radar. This was the biggest misconception of the offseason. Pioli and Haley both said it, but the media didn’t want to believe it and laid a giant egg by stating it as fact.

by dablueguy on May 18, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

If this report is true, I'm concerned about Pioli's arrogance...

This offer is good enough to warrant a call back. Perhaps it comes down to an extra 5-7th round in this or next year’s draft. If true, this is the second year Pioli has botched a chance to move down when the player taken provided little positional value. He seems to put blinders on when it comes to the players he covets. Meanwhile his counterparts from his days in NE are working these drafts masterfully.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 17, 2010 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

No way in hell we know the details

I don’t think bashing Pioli fits the mindset around here lately.

Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.

by Peyote on May 17, 2010 9:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I won't question/or necassarily praise it

until the season is underway/over

Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.

by Peyote on May 17, 2010 10:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lemmings with a backup plan

"And the Chiefs line-up in a Wildcat formation with Eric Berry as QB. There's the snap...it's a short pass to Jamal Charles, he's at the 10 the 20 and it looks like he's going to be run out of bounds...LATERAL to Mccluster who is streaking up the field...TOUCHDOWN KAN-SAS-CITY!!!!"

by mushin on May 17, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

When did he botch it last year?

No one made an offer for our 1st that I’ve heard about.

我相信皮欧利, 加油酋长!!!

by BeijingKCfan on May 17, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jets wanted to move up for Sanchez

KC could have gotten a few extra picks and still got Tyson anytime

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on May 17, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely untrue. First off, Jets didn’t want to trade with us.
Second, if they had, Cleveland would have taken Jackson at #5. They liked him as much as we did. All the Patriot guys did.

by dablueguy on May 18, 2010 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that player can help provide us with a Lamar Hunt or Lombardi Trophy?

Then, frankly, I don’t give a rat’s ass if, when we drafted him, he provided us with good ‘positional value.’

by JacinB on May 17, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

...I'm more concerned he didn't even bother calling back.

I wouldn’t want to get a reputation within the GM circles because somewere down the line, Pioli is going to make phonecall or two and I wouldn’t burn any bridges. Take 3 minutes and tell Cleveland you aren’t interested.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on May 17, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly...

he seems to be very narrow minded which is dangerous. Call back and see just how interested Cleveberg is. Hell, move back two spots and take the guy that many had has the #1 safety.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 17, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

ehhhh, maybe we had a bunch of other teams on the phone, maybe we talked to the browns prior

and they said we would get an offer of a 3 on the table…take it or leave it

we don’t ACTUALLY know what happened other than that we took Eric Berry.

so quick to judge, and say " they should have done this, they are narrow minded"…technically to jump to those conclusions off of very little information is fairly narrow minded.

Team Pioli/Haley

by SDChief on May 17, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

To say he should have called a potential trade partner back is hardly narrow minded...

That’s keeping your options open, the exact opposite of being narrow minded. Hate to say it but with each move Pioli looks more and more like Dayton Moore.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 17, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

pioli is building a winner...and I really wonder what you will say when he does...."not enough super bowls"

what was narrow minded was jumping to a conclusion off of very little information that MAY or MAY NOT be true.

sigh.

Team Pioli/Haley

by SDChief on May 17, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yessssss!

Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.

by Peyote on May 17, 2010 11:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dayton Moore is in a league of his own

I dont think Pioli looks anything like him. He’s got Dayton by at least a hundred pounds.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on May 17, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

They only have 5 minutes to make the pick

All the article says is that Cleveland called offering up a 3rd round pick. It doesn’t say what other offers may have been on the table at the same time. As a practical matter, he can’t be on the phone with everyone at the same time, politely refusing or considering offers…and also confirming the pick with the reps in NY so that they card can be taken to Goodell in the 5 minute window.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 17, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're clueless, 10 minutes in the first round...

not to mention that EVERYONE projected Berry to be there at #5 so he had plenty of time to call teams back and work a deal.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 17, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops you're right it's 10 minutes

that invalidates everything I said….10 minutes is an eternity to deal with an unknown number of interested trading partners.

But it doesn’t matter, you don’t like how the team is run so everything is going to be spun negatively by you. Keep clinging to every bit of potential negative gossip…hope you remain there if the team turns into a winner under Pioli.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 17, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not going to accept every move as great...

it could be argued that every top pick (first 3 rounds), save the gaurd taken this year, was a reach.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 17, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It could be argued

because ANYTHING could be argued.

But a LOT of people who evaluate and report on football for a living didn’t think Berry, McCluster, Arenas, or Moeaki were reaches.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on May 17, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps this is what happens in the war room every year

As far as I am aware, none of us sit in the war rooms on draft day so we don’t know what the protocol is. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that reps for teams call and leave offers – and the GMs look at those offers and decide what is best for their team. Like jmc says, they can’t sit and exchange pleasantries with every GM that wants to make an offer. 10 min goes pretty fast.

by mightykc on May 17, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

not to mention that EVERYONE projected Berry to be there at #5 so he had plenty of time to call teams back and work a deal.

When Pioli talked about the draft board with Clark Judge (wasn’t it?) it was pretty clear that Pioli didn’t KNOW Berry would be there at #5 until Washington made their pick.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on May 17, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

ya never know...

the secretary may not have given him the message…..or his cell phone provider dropped the call & he never got the message…..or the peeps in Cleveland had the wrong number….could be a plethora of things that could have happened.

I’m just saying, you never know what ’REALLY" went down.

by HeatherChiefsLvr on May 17, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love it when "plethora" is used in a post

“Would you say I have a plethora of sweaters?”

我相信皮欧利, 加油酋长!!!

by BeijingKCfan on May 17, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey sometimes...

I gots to show I have a brain (did you like the improper use of grammar there?) hehe

by HeatherChiefsLvr on May 17, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're such a woman Craig

Just because you never get called back after dates doesn’t mean you have to confuse your personal life with the issue. It’s not that big of a deal & regardless of small the circle is in the NFL there is nothing wrong with letting the fella’s know homie don’t play that. You want to talk business, call me when you’re serious about moving some draft picks otherwise I got picks to make

D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man

by KansasCityShuffle on May 17, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

no call back to sweeten the deal?

geeeez whooooa wooowwww huh?

oh well, +14.

Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.

by Peyote on May 17, 2010 9:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

+29 :)

Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.

by Peyote on May 17, 2010 10:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

McClain!

I wanted McClain anyway, so moving back to 7 would’ve been perfect. I say they should’ve made the trade. Lots of help available in the 3rd round.

by Chief Bartle on May 17, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

here you go McClain fan... buy this

Your Boy.

"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"

Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.

by SwimCoach on May 17, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn I just hated

to look at it……I was freakin disappointed to see him go to the Faiders.

by Hail2DaChiefs on May 17, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't...

have a problem with this. Eric Berry was the surest thing in this draft. McClain offers less of a positional value in my opinion playing ILB than Berry does at S. I would have done it if McClain ran a 4.5 in the mold of Patrick Willis, but he doesn’t have that kind of playmaking ability. Berry is going to make plays for us and can be a potential game changer.

by I_Bleed_Red. on May 17, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I am 110 percent with you on the willis comparison.

if willis had been there….then yeah, I would question not taking him or moving back…but mcclain isnt willis…berry was this year’s willis at the safety position(top 12 all pro)

Team Pioli/Haley

by SDChief on May 17, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would have boo'd heavily if they took a 3rd for moving two slots in the top 7.

that said…I am so happy to have eric berry….yeah he isnt proven, no one from the draft is NFL proven…I love the guy…Period. his value is worth more than a 3, especially if hes the next big time safety.

Team Pioli/Haley

by SDChief on May 17, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

No way.

And take who at 7? McClain? Our defense is already slow enough. I’m very excited that we have Berry now, and wouldn’t have had it any other way. The kid is going to be dynamic.

by Yashi on May 17, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Eric Berry was the Best pick since Derrick Thomas

Just a side note, I got my Eric Berry jersey over the weekend. Retiring the Holmes jersey now. Now I have an Eric Berry Tennessee & KC jersey!!!!!

by KC in Vol Land on May 17, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Let me rephrase my last statement.

Eric Berry was the best #1 pick on DEFENSE since Dale Carter or maybe even Derrick Thomas

by KC in Vol Land on May 17, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we would of made that move I think we would of ended up with Earl Thomas.

"Without me, it's just aweso".- comment made by Jamaal Charles and Eric Berry.

by chiefs_fan05 on May 17, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

wouldn’t have been a bad move either IMO.

I’m fine that things turned out this way too though.

by Chiefsfan1970 on May 17, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This whole thing sounds like Bullshit, to me...

Cleveland calls with some sort of trade offer…and the Chiefs don’t even call them back to see what it is?

I find that very difficult to believe. Just because a reporter says something, doesn’t make it a fact. (see Jason Whitlock)

by Scott B. on May 17, 2010 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

no way

quality over quantity

"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "

by BEEf_CHIEF on May 17, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

See this is the difference between a professional organization

..and one that uses the media as a mouthpiece to make excuses for itself like Cleveland. This was clearly a statement they wanted to send to their fans. "Yeah, we know you wanted Berry. We wanted him too. We tried, but the mean old Chiefs wouldn’t call us back when we low balled them. I think the whole story is lame to say the least.

by CapsLockKey on May 17, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

It's simple

They said after the draft that they felt good that 2-3 guys they had targeted would be available at 5. Chance that none of them being available at 7 is obviously more likely. We don’t know for sure who these 2-3 guys were, but if it was say Suh and Okung as the other two players then that would hold true. Browns didn’t pony up enough to warrant the risk, especially since they knew they would take Berry with the pick.

by CapsLockKey on May 17, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

What does Pioli always say about trading picks?

You don’t trade up or down for the sake of trading up or down, you make the trades for a specific player. Berry was our specific player and the Browns wanted him – making that trade would contradict everything Pioli has told us about his drafting philosophy (and would have caused a riot on AP, which was obviously the deciding factor).

by MadMattox on May 17, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

oooooolala

madmattox, you hit it on the nose my friend!

Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.

by Peyote on May 17, 2010 7:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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