Scott Pioli's 2009 Draft Mishaps.

by MJU-57 on May 11, 2010 7:14 PM CDT

Round 1 Tyson Jackson DE LSU: Scott Pioli took a 3-4 DE with the 3rd overall pick. Doesn't anyone beside me think that is absolutely crazy giving a guy 30 mill guaranteed to eat up blockers. But If I was the GM I would have taken BJ Raji who would have been are nose tackle of the future and we would have had a better run defense and would also give us a solid D line to build around. But no for 2 straight years Pioli passes on a premiere nose tackle one in Raji and another in Terrence Cody.

Round 2 She trade's are 2nd round pick for an aging linebacker and a one year wonder quarterback, who I think will never have that magical season he had in New England and will be lucky too be the 15th best QB in the NFL. But if I was Pioli I would have kept the pick or have wounded Matt Cassel and Matt Light so we would be secure on the offensive line with Albert and Light. So okay with the second pick, I would have chosen James Laurinaitis He would have been are starting linebacker and would give us an instant play maker at linebacker.

Round 3 I thought Alex Magee was an alright pick but there was an even better pick available in, Jarron Gilbert who at 6-5 290 is exactly like Jackson and would start from day one and eat up just as many blockers as Tyson.

Round 4 I liked the Washington pick and I would have done the same thing.

Round 5 Colin Brown was just a horrible pick im not sure this guy was a top 50 guard. And we would have just picked him up in free agency. So with this pick I would have selected Johny Knox he showed his speed at the combine and I knew he was a star and he did what I thought he became a star for the Bears and he did this was a huge draft day mistake by Pioli.

Round 6 Quentin Lawrence he was another horrible pick. With this pick I would have chosen A.Q Shipley center out of Texas he would become or develop into are starting center and would finalize are line.

Just too let you know none of these picks where based upon there NFL stats just college and Combine tape.

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by MJU-57 on May 11, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions

I find it hard to judge the 2009 draft quite yet with the type of players taken.

I think with who the Chiefs drafted this year we should know by the end of this season whether it was good or not. Playmakers make plays

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by Steve_Chiefs on May 11, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions

AQ Shipley was a 7th rounder from Penn State

turdnugget.

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by KansasCityShuffle on May 11, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah...

and he didn’t even make the roster last year. He was a practice squad guy and the Steelers, who drafted him, obviously still think they need a long term solution with their interior by taking Maurice Pouncey with their first rounder.

by I_Bleed_Red. on May 12, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions

But If I was the GM I would have taken BJ Raji who would have been are nose tackle of the future

Um, your NT of the future only started one game last season
http://www.nfl.com/players/b.j.raji/profile?id=RAJ346075

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by PVChiefsfan on May 11, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions

He split time with Ryan Pickett

considering Raji didn’t start his rookie numbers were pretty impressive. He was definitely a better pick than TJ, but Raji had character/personality concerns that I’m sure took him off Pioli’s board.

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by KansasCityShuffle on May 11, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions

you are also making assumptions about the outcome of these players development.

Its tough to say the brown and lawrence picks are bad picks. They were taken late in the draft as developmental picks typically are. They look at guys that have the physical tools and potential to be developed in to great players. That takes time, more than a season probably. These guys were probably selected on a similar premise as Washington. Just like we will see what happens with Washington, we will see what happens with these two, as well and jake occonnell and jarvis.

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by jakethesnake27 on May 11, 2010 8:22 PM CDT reply actions

What if

What we we need to debate about 2009 is would we have been better off not trading for Cassel and Vrbac. Draft Sanchez with the first pick, a LB with the second and McGee with the third choice. The key debate is Cassel vs Sanchez…at the time I was glad with the Cassel trade.

by Rickriver on May 11, 2010 8:42 PM CDT reply actions

Haha. check below. That was wierd

Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010

by trentchiefsfan on May 11, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Hindsight is a b!tch of a thing

We’re looking forward now. We’ve got who we picked and that’s that. Personally I would’ve taken Sanchez at 3, saved our second round, picked Laurinaitis

Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010

by trentchiefsfan on May 11, 2010 8:56 PM CDT reply actions

Me too.........but it's to late for that now.

by CPT.Caveman on May 11, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm going to love it...

this year when Tyson Jackson has a pro-bowl season and watch all the people who hated that pick jump on the bandwagon :)

Jamaal Charles...Enough said.

by Chiefsfan85 on May 11, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs

my sentiments exactly:

Doesn’t anyone beside me think that is absolutely crazy giving a guy 30 mill guaranteed to eat up blockers.

edwards got paid far less for the same ineptitude…

7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!

by Abyssmal on May 11, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions

Blame slotted rookie salaries for that

I believe a more conservative rookie pay scale is looming.

The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.

by ArrowSpread on May 11, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions

btw

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by kabrink on May 11, 2010 10:23 PM CDT reply actions

C

was my grade.

Still a bit early to tell what will become of Jackson and Magee.

Cassel is our starting QB….for now.

by Peterman700 on May 11, 2010 10:40 PM CDT reply actions

A couple of things.

1. Way to early to judge that draft class yet, after this season will be better IMO.

2. Tyson Jackson is not a bust. Since you’re all in to stats and everything consider this below.
Tyson Jackson Stats
TOTAL 38 27 11 0.0 0 2
BJ Raji Stats
TOTAL 25 19 6 1.0 0 1 .

That is total tackles, solo tackles, assisted tackles, sacks and passes defended. Who between these two would you rather have?

3. There is no guarantee that T. Cody or BJ Raki or Tyson Jackson wont be busts or wont be in the Hall of Fame someday, its way to early to judge anything on these players so far.

4. It looks like all you did for your “I would have rather picked” rants is go find breakout players taken from those rounds who did well. Hindsight is always 20/20 kid, foresight rarely is.

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by nateforchiefs on May 12, 2010 12:34 AM CDT reply actions

off the mark...

your stat comparison is invalid… why? jackson started 14 games… raji started 1… also being the primary starter jackson took the majority of snaps while raji was the backup and took far few snaps than jackson…

7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!

by Abyssmal on May 12, 2010 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions

Jarron Gilbert, mentioned in the article, did NIL last year, too.

Let the ranters rant. Sit back and see how the team D does this year and next.

by hmills110 on May 13, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Why are people so in love with Cody's man tits?!

They’re disgusting. The mental image from that picture people keep posting of them are seared into my brain. And if he was on the Chiefs, I could only picture man tits eating up blockers on the field. Sweaty, flappy, smelly, and dirty man tits. How many blockers will be trapped underneath a single moobie?! Many… Just let it go guys…

Elite nose tackle? Elite moob tackle I’d say…

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by worc on May 12, 2010 1:14 AM CDT reply actions

LOL!!

"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.

"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."

by Matt_Grbac on May 12, 2010 5:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Agreed Cody will be a bust

by tomahawk44 on May 12, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions

Denied

not in baltimore he wont. just weight

by Hendrix on May 12, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Honestly, I wasn't really commenting on whether he is a bust or not...

It was all about the moobies…I’m forever scarred. We all should be.

by worc on May 12, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

the moobies are very scary...

by tomahawk44 on May 12, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions

If it's seared on your brain, maybe you ought to seek counseling.

by hmills110 on May 13, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions

aint votin

too early to judge picks that havent played 3 full seasons in NFL

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by kcfansinceakid on May 12, 2010 1:15 AM CDT reply actions

I have to disagree with this

Colin Brown was just a horrible pick im not sure this guy was a top 50 guard

That’s because Brown was a Right Tackle at the University of Missouri, and an outstanding pass blocker. For a 5th rounder, this was a good pick, he’s huge, with tremendous upside, and was a stud in college. As a KU fan, I know!

by cpa913 on May 12, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions

And yes, it's too early to grade this draft

We did get a pretty darned good kicker, though!

by cpa913 on May 12, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed cpa

Brown has a place on this roster and will pay off being a 5th rounder.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on May 12, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions

Still no guarantees. But that's the nature of 5th-rounders.

by hmills110 on May 13, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions

dont

agree at all. i think this was a wasted pick. and as a KU alum i should know

by Hendrix on May 12, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions

well

i would have rather had raji and if we are going to a 3-4 and need to reach on a dline man you take the nt. the second round trade though? well who would have started at qb then? yeah cassel was average at the best times horrible at others and his play declined as the season progressed but he stayed upright. croyle would have been out and who knows who would have been in there then. the other picks. well yeah hindsight is twenty twenty. other then that grammar nazis are retarted……………………………..

by Hendrix on May 12, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions

I love these worthless posts where

A previous draft class is analyzed and the writer says… "they should have drafted (insert a rookie that did well for another team) instead of (insert any pick from last year).

Hindsight is 20/20. That’s all that I can say about this nonsense.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on May 12, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions

unless...

they were touting a particular player before the draft in question… then hindsight was actually foresight… and someone ignored it…

7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!

by Abyssmal on May 12, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah...

I'm sure someone out there was thinking that instead of Jackson (or Curry for that matter) we should have

taken Raji with our 3rd overall.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on May 12, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions

specifics...

you are sarcastically specific… i was not… i was just commenting on the all too common “hindsight” post when someone attacks the 2009 draft choices… and technically raji was rated higher than jackson… so if there was a reach it would have been less of a reach… average rank for raji was 6-10… average rank for jackson was 15-20…

7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!

by Abyssmal on May 12, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions

The point is that NO ONE had us taking Raji before the 2009 draft.

A year later after Raji did well in his rookie year, it’s completely asinine to say we should have taken him over Jackson.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on May 12, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions

asinine...

actually as it has been well documented, especially after this years draft, you build a defense from the middle out… your cornerstone is your NT, not your DE… unfortunately almighty pioli has refused to build his defense this way… we only have one draft pick in 2 years that adequately fills one of those all important “middle” spots and that is berry… why wouldnt you draft an NT before a DE? why wouldnt you use the 3rd pick in the draft for at least one of those positions? not addressing those needs is what is asinine…

7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!

by Abyssmal on May 12, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions

obviously

Pioli had a reason in his mind that he hasn’t seen someone that he wanted or that he was able to get to put in the NT spot. You might disagree with him on that. But you can’t say that Tyson is (or is going to be) a bust but say that BJ is NOT (or not going to be) a bust. Neither of these young players or any others are guaranteed to succeed or to fail at this point.

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by kabrink on May 12, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions

the point is he has passed on all of the top NT prospects in the past 2 years… if you cannot even find a depth player at that position, while drafting what i will call a fish out of water (because i dont see jackson showing us his best until he has at least a mediocre NT next to him and i dont believe in shaun smith) is completely unnerrving to me… best case scenario to me (with jackson in mind) would have been to adopt dallas’ 3-4, keep dorsey on the inside, and draft a 3-4 end to play opposite of jackson… i know this is HINDSIGHT… but with that in mind… we could have had berry, mccluster and arenas… but also pick up carrington or any of the numerous DEs available after the 3rd round this year… of course its all speculation, but at least the front seven would have been attempted to be fixed, kept dorsey in the middle where he belongs and give the scouts an opportunity to look elsewhere to fix the rest of the defense…

7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!

by Abyssmal on May 12, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions

I said D

because i dont think lawrence or donald washington will amount to anything. and as of last year no rookie really did anytrhing besides succop. I think magee was a steal in the 3rd round. and i think its too early to judge on jackson, but as of last year jackson showed no promise. so im saying D for now. but it could change after this season

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by BEEf_CHIEF on May 12, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions

In reference to the 5th round pick

Round 5 Colin Brown was just a horrible pick im not sure this guy was a top 50 guard. And we would have just picked him up in free agency. So with this pick I would have selected Johny Knox he showed his speed at the combine and I knew he was a star and he did what I thought he became a star for the Bears and he did this was a huge draft day mistake by Pioli.

Is there such a thing as a “huge draft day mistake” in round 5? Really just an educated guessing game at that point

by Fourstrike89 on May 12, 2010 11:20 PM CDT reply actions