2010 NFL Draft Grades: Kansas City Chiefs Are On The Honor Roll
by Chris Thorman on Apr 26, 2010 8:18 AM CDT
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PrintGood morning Chiefs fans! I hope draft weekend treated you well.
This morning, I'm going to continue the long tradition of handing out NFL draft grades far too early. Here's what I'm roughly basing my grades on (with a H/T to Big Cat Country):
- Player potential;
- Expected to start this year;
- Good value for the round chosen;
- Filled a position of need; and,
- Fan approval.
Overall, I think the Chiefs did a pretty darn good job this draft. It wasn't immediately obvious to me that this draft was great until I took the time to research some of these guys a bit more and see where they're going to fit in KC.
My quick takes are after the jump. Give us yours and make sure you grade the Chiefs' in our poll.
S Eric Berry: A
It's been a while since the Chiefs made an early round draft choice that was almost universally regarded by experts, fans and others to be a great pick.
Berry fulfills a position of need; will definitely start; worthy of the #5 pick; and has all of the potential in the world. No brainer, fantastic pick. I believe it was Jason Whitlock who said that if Berry fails as an NFL player, it won't be for reason that anyone foresaw.
WR Dexter McCluster: B+
This grade may turn into an A after we see more from McCluster in camp. I really like his potential and it's been a while since the Chiefs' had a player like him. Part receiver, part running back...all athlete.
I was scratching my head at first when McCluster's name was announced. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized how much we needed another playmaker on offense. As much as I like WR Chris Chambers, if he's your featured offensive weapon outside the hash marks, your team needs another playmaker.
CB Javier Arenas: B+
As far as need goes at the kick return position, I would agree with Todd Haley and say it was a must to address the position. I mean, we had Bobby Wade returning kicks. Bobby Wade.
Lots of people were saying they felt that Arenas was the best return man in college. He was eleven yards away from the NCAA kick return yardage record. How nuts is that?
Don't sleep on this Arenas pick. He may win a game or two for the Chiefs.
G Jon Asomoah: B
Gotta admit I didn't and still really don't know much about Asamoah. Here's what I like: he started six game as a true freshman and played significantly from there on out.
I'm a big fan of drafting college players that played three or even all four years. I feel like that experience is underrated in our evaluations and makes for much more NFL ready players.
Asomoah has good potential; was a good value for the round chosen (3); and you can't have enough offensive guards, especially when the Chiefs were going to need to address the guard position soon anyway.
TE Tony Moeaki: C+
Moeaki seems to be a great tight end by all accounts. But...this pick seems way to familiar to me. Brad Cottam anyone?
Not that a Cottam comparison by talent is bad. It's Moeaki's injury history that bothers me. While his injuries were sort of freak injuries (and not something like a blown knee), I just don't have the most confident feeling about Moeaki. Especially when Todd Haley offense's don't feature the tight end much. Did we draft a guy in the third round who's going to be blocking when he's on the field?
S Kendrick Lewis: C
Again, I don't know much about the guy yet. This pick gets a C because we already drafted Eric Berry and I don't feel the Chiefs needed to address the safety position again. This pick reminds me of DaJuan Morgan from a couple years back. How much will Lewis actually see the field?
LB Cameron Sheffield: B
I like this pick because the Chiefs needed to address the pass rush somehow and Sheffield will have a chance to start as an outside linebacker in the 3-4.
If Sheffield doesn't work out though, I won't be surprised. I don't have a lot of confidence in the success rate of 5+ round picks.
Give us your draft grades in the comments.
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I'm concerned that Berry may have Alex Gordon written all over him
Both can’t misses out of college. One has not lived up to the hype. One has a lot to live up to.
by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 26, 2010 8:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Isn't that a good problem to have?
Wouldn’t you rather have a player who everyone thinks will be great then pick like the Jags’ where everyone thinks it was a huge reach? We’ve played it relatively safe with our last 3 first round picks by taking front line guys (Dorsey, Albert, and Jackson). I’m glad we went with the elite playmaker for once.
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I bet you didn't say that on draft day
Gordon is a grade A bust. But it’s one of the few times you can’t really blame the Royals. Gordon was considered by literally everyone to be the #2 prospect in that draft, with the Royals having the #2 pick.
There are plenty of other #1 picks we can complain about with the Royals where they reached or didn’t take a guy b/c he wanted too much $, but the Gordon pick was just bad luck.
If you really didn’t want Gordon on draft day, you would’ve been the only person on the planet.
Gordon is not a grade A bust... not even close...
He is an above average 3rd baseman how is that bust… If you want to talk about grade A bust you have to talk about someone like Colt Griffin who never even got close to the majors. If a player makes it to the bigs they aren’t a bust. Its not his fault he was hyped.
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by averagegatsby on Apr 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You know he's not an above average 3rd baseman
There aren’t 5 worse starting 3B in the league.
Actually, he’s not even the best starting 3B on the Royals…if it were just about production, Callaspo would be playing 3B everyday.
I will agree that ‘grade A bust’ is too strong, but ‘above avg 3B’ is ludicrous.
Its not just about hitting...
He is a pretty good fielder so when you combine fielding and hitting he is a league average 3rd baseman. Callaspo on the other hand is a downright awful fielder, which almost negates his value as a hitter.
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by averagegatsby on Apr 26, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
And in hind sight they were better picks
but to pass on a guy because everyone says he’s going to be great just because you’re worried about the “hype” is crazy. If the Chiefs had valid reasons for thinking Berry wouldn’t live up then fine, but you can’t go “Well the scouting reports on this guy are just too good and I don’t want to get my hopes up that he’ll actually live up to it. Let’s take the less talented guy so we don’t have to worry about that.”
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U can say that about any player drafted in the Top 10. Simma down now.
The more and more I watch video of Javier Arenas, the more I am ecstatic about this pick. What a dynamic weapon.
I agree about Arenas
My friend at work is a Bama fan and he said we made a solid selection. He said over and over again that Arenas is great in nickel and returning kicks.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Many have written...
With Glazer being the more recent, that he is the safest pick in the draft.
I understand the worry, but I think it’s mainly b/c we’ve been snakebit in the past.
Baseballs different than Football
Even though there are obvious busts in the NFL draft, early NFL draft picks can immediately play for the team, whereas MLB draftees take a few years to develop. Berry could be a bust, but I’m guessing more than likely he’s at least a solid staring safety. If it looks like he’s a bust next year it’s at least partly b/c the Chiefs didn’t address the team in front of him. No D-line or LB help is going to cause our sweet secondary problems.
Moeaki vs. Cottam
Are not comparable at all.
Cottam did nothing at Tennessee and was a combine stud.
Moeaki, when healthy, was the a major weapon on a team that was in the top 10 all season. He had better stats last year than Cottam had in his entire career at Tenn. He also is regarded as the best blocking TE in the draft by many.
My quick grades:
Berry: A
McCluster: B
Arenas: C (Like Arenas, don’t like passing on all the other needs)
Asomoah: B
Moeaki: B
Lewis: C-
Sheffield: C- (passing on Cam Thomas leading to the low grade)
Overall, I gave the Chiefs a B. Solid draft, I’m excited, and even though I gave the Arenas pick a C, I’m quite sure he’ll be a fan favorite and an exciting player.
We passed on Cam Thomas
just like every other team did because of some reason. Sheffield will hopefully come in and contribute and I think his grade of B being our last pick is reasonable.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
I don't have a problem with Sheffield the player
Again, the opportunity to take Thomas in the 5th round, with our last pick and passing on him is pretty hard to understand.
We’ll get plenty of chances to see if it was a bad decision over the years. I knew without a doubt when SD came on the clock after our pick that they were going to snag him.
but if EVERYBODY passed on him
you must figure its for a good reason
Young, dope & flashy.
Yes, of course
You can say that about any late rounder.
But the talent, and the need rarely match up that late in the draft.
I said this once yesterday
I saw where one scout used the word lethargic to describe Thomas. That right there sent up a red flag that this was probably not a guy we would consider.
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Many scouts said that
I’m not arguing he should’ve been an early round pick. I’m saying with the hole at NT, that rolling the dice with him with our last pick in the draft made too much sense.
He may very well be lazy, and if it didn’t work out, and he was cut after a season, with him being our last pick, that would’ve been fine. He was completely worth a 5th rounder to take that chance.
I mean, we drafted Colin Brown in the 5th last year, a guy that wasn’t on many teams’ draft board. I know this was a much deeper draft, but Pioli took a much bigger risk with that 5 than he would’ve been with Thomas.
what hole at NT?
dont forget we brought in Smith to play NT this year. Hopefully he can hold it down, which freed us up to not have to take NT this year.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Hmmm...
So if I go back and read all your posts from before the draft, you thought that Smith was the answer at NT?
I find it interesting that so many want to tout Smith now post draft, when pretty much everyone agreed that we needed a Nose going into the draft.
Hey, he may be able to contribute, but this is the same guy that has played 14 games…the last TWO seasons.
Please lets not act like a guy we picked up off the scrap heap is the answer. If he ends up being a fit, that’s great, but he has a lot to prove.
as it stands now
we have about 4 or 5 ppl competing for the NT position
im happy with that and trust our coaches to make it work
Young, dope & flashy.
We don't have a true NT
What’s frustrating is that if Crennel wouldve been on board last year, I’m fairly certain we would still have Tank, and that maybe he could’ve made that work. Same thing with Pollard…not that either are great, but I’m fairly certain that if we had Crennel, Haley wouldn’t of been shipping talented players out of town left and right.
I was no Pollard fan while he was here
I thought he was overrated by Chiefs fans.
But he never should’ve been cut. It was a personality clash.
Question for you
If Pioli didn’t like the NT prospects and didn’t see any of them as the long term solution. Would you rather he used a draft pick on one anyway just as a stop gap, or spend the pick on someone they believe in and try and find a NT elsewhere?
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Yes
Actually, if we’re talking specifically about Thomas, which I was, yes, I would’ve liked him to take a chance on him in the 5th round even if he wasn’t completely sold on him.
It’s that big of a need.
We need a pass rusher as well, so I didn’t mind the Sheffield pick at all, if he wanted both, he could’ve had both and not took Lewis.
I could've done without the Lewis pick.
But I wouldn’t have done Cam Thomas either—-the guy that slid away way Art Jones from Syracuse, a 34 DE/NT prospect that the Ravens scooped up.
If Shaun Smith is the answer, than Jones could’ve been the footnote. Cam Thomas sounds like Shaun Smith Jr physically, but doesn’t sound like he puts it together on the field as he should.
As it is, I’m not sleeping on the Golden Gopher nose guard we picked up. He sounds like more of a player than we realize…
/takes wait and see attitude
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by go_saleaumua on Apr 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Trust in Pioli...
he knows better than any of us. If we needed a NT we would have drafted one. Before the draft, i though it was essential to draft a NT, but now that we didn’t, I realize that we probably don’t need one as bad as everyone thinks. Trust in Pioli….he knows what is best!
by florida chief on Apr 26, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
No disrespect, Florida...
But this is my least favorite line of thinking of all.
The ‘trust in Pioli’ or ‘In Pioli we trust’ argument, everytime someone disagrees with something the Chiefs have done is bogus, IMO. It basically means you’re a head-nodder and someone that won’t have their own opinion other than ‘yay, Chiefs!’
Here’s another reason why it’s ok to question Pioli…no matter what you think of him, even if you think he’s the greatest exec in the NFL, he’s still going to make mistakes, lots of them. He has made mistakes, and he will continue to do so.
It is absolutely ok to question and disagree with moves the Chiefs make, b/c many of them will be wrong.
Of course, I could completely be wrong and somehow Smith might become a great NT this year, it’s possible, and I hope I’m proven wrong.
I think NT this year is going to be like 0-line last year.
We didn’t get any big time o-line help and everyone was doom and gloom about it. We started the year off and the line did in fact suck. Everyone went “See, Pioli doesn’t know what he’s doing! We knew we needed OL help, how could he not see it!” Then over the course of the year he added a couple guys and things started to click and by the end of the year the line was playing much better. That’s whay I mean when I say I’ll trust Pioli. Not that he’s perfect, but that if there is clearly a problem he will keep working at it until things get better.
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I'm fine with that
And the OL did improve.
I would’ve just liked to take the opp we had to add a real talent to the position.
Look, I’m happy overall, we just missed out on some chances to upgrade at our biggest needs, IMO.
kcsno ... Porky ... you two shake hands and no more fighting
remember, you’re brothers …
and Porkchop, please wipe up the Koolaid you spilled, someone might slip on that and hurt themselves
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
There are koolaid stains all over AP today
And that’s cool. I have no problem with that.
I’ve got no problem with porkchop, either.
oh, I know. I was joking around ... thought it was obvious even w/o the sarcasm font
and I understand about the Koolaid, it’s called optimism … rather like those of us who are Royals fans every spring, or Cubs fans
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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I knew you were joking
But I do think Thormans’ should put some red blotches on all the screen on the outside to show the koolaid stains.
well, if Porkchop and kray and a few others weren't such slobs ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
you can go back and re read all my post
I wanted Cody for NT, but now that we didnt draft him im not going to call the whole draft a bust.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Neither am I, it wasn't a bust. I gave it a B grade
But how can you say today there isn’t a hole at NT when you thought we needed Cody?
It’s basically saying whatever the Chiefs would’ve done over the weekend, you would’ve agreed with.
wanted Cody
not needed Cody. I thought that if Pioli and Haley decided they wanted Cody then fine. They didnt want him so they didnt take him, if we needed a NT then yes we would have got one. But I feel they are ready to roll with Smith, which is fine IMO.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
The problem is that when you draft
You are drafting for starters or for projects that can develop into starters. If you are person that is considered a project, the worst damn thing you can have against you is that you have no work ethic!! You need to have a burning desire to be on the field if you are to ever overcome the problems with your game.
And the fact is Crennel got a great look at him and STILL decided that he wasn’t the answer. We got guys his size and strength in the building, so why get another guy who will never develop the skills needed?
Rank of skill of playing QB for the Chiefs
Cassel > Brodie's wife > Brodie
by IowaChiefFan on Apr 26, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Pioli decided that....
Crennel doesn’t decide shit.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Apr 26, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
But I think his DC
Telling him to use a 5th rounder on a NT that he could make a quality starter, Pioli would listen to him.
Rank of skill of playing QB for the Chiefs
Cassel > Brodie's wife > Brodie
by IowaChiefFan on Apr 26, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
If Pioli didn’t trust his coaches or scouts in player evaluation, he’d be a moron.
No one person can make all the decisions on player evaluations. Pioli would be the first to tell you that.
I doubt that, chicks_love_chiefs.
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by go_saleaumua on Apr 26, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No it's true, chicks really do love Chiefs. ( ;
Thanks to Pioli the children will go hungry without Dez Bryant.
Honestly, Dez couldn't have gone to a worse team.... Fudging Cowboys.
Eric Berry is an excellent addition to the Chiefs.
*laughs*
I see what you did there.
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by go_saleaumua on Apr 26, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Dimensions Baby Yeah :)
Being a long time Chiefs fan, I have yet to see a draft of this nature. When the 2010 Draft was completed on Saturday, the Chiefs became a far more dynamic team with scoring threat opportunities in all phases of the game. We are a much more dangerous team then we were Friday morning. I love this approach and strategy. We are now a contender and no more are we a one dimensional team. GO CHIEFS!
My grade = C, No NT!
McCluster can return kicks plus CB is a position of strength. KC could have taken a good NT prospect with 2b pick. Unless Pioli has a post-draft trade in mind for a quality player, KC’s run defense will continue to suffer.
I don't know if you saw the press conference with Pioli and Haley after the draft
but they said that nowadays the nickel corner is on the field for 50-60% of the defensive snaps. Yes FLowers and Carr are solid corners, but our nickel corners were God awful last year. I don’t see how anyone can say we didn’t have a need for another corner. You add his kick return ability to the equation and he was a great pick.
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I like Arenas a lot
And agree that he will play a lot, and be a big contributor. But I also didn’t like the pick, not with the # of needs we had.
+1 Cornerback isnt a position of strength.
We have Flowers and Carr and the league is a passing league so a third CB is almost a must. If you don’t want to believe what Pioli and Haley said then go take a peek at Rex Ryans interview after they drafting Wilson. Not only is an elite CB in the slot a necesity in todays league but it also helps the pass rush because it allows you to blitz more. Don’t be shocked if by midseason Arenas is getting rave reviews on this site.
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by GenericBrand on Apr 26, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't there a post here a month ago or so about how kick returners are over rated?
I get it we could use an improvement at returner, but do we need one more than a Right Tackle or Nose Tackle? We had one of the worst run defenses in the league last year and we still don’t have a solid starter at NT. So we’ll get better field position off of kicks but our opponents will still be able to run for 200 yards against us without breaking a sweat.
so you think we're set at FS
as is w/o the Lewis pick?
Young, dope & flashy.
Wow. 100+ votes in a few minutes
Eric Berry. Nuff said. A+
The more I think about it, this draft seems better and better. While Chambers is good at WR. We might only get another 2 years out of him. Same with Thomas Jones at RB. Dexter McCluster will be able to play either of those positions. That’s what is good about him. He’s DYNAMIC. B+
Javier Arenas. When your in the same division as Phillip Rivers you have to have a good secondary. As much as I hate Rivers, He is a great QB. Arenas can play as our nickel and be our KR/PR, a big area of need. C+
Jon Asamoah. Can play OG and OC. Both those positions will need a replacement in a couple of years. A
Tony Moeaki. Questionable. But so is Cottam after breaking a vertabrae in his neck. C
Kendrick Lewis. Very questionable. C-
Cameron Sheffield. Great pick. We need a pass rusher
Welcome to the chiefs community Eric Berry. Don't screw it up.
Pioli's one mistake, not taking Terrence Cody
I would say about a B+
Berry – A+ (WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!)
McCluster – B+ (size is my only worry)
Arenas – A (Nickel corner and KR, two birds with one stone)
Asamoah – A (2nd best guard in the draft and a good fit for our zone blocking scheme)
Moeaki – C+ (I love Moeaki and he could be a steal if healthy, but that “if” is the size of Texas)
Lewis – C (He may be great, but with 2 DBs already drafted I would of gone elsewhere)
Sheffield – B (Good project at a position of need but wpn’t be surprised if he doesn’t pan out)
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I gave them a 'C'
Berry is a great pick. A
McCluster is not only tiny but Golden Tate can do everything he can AND be a full time player. C
Arena KR makes him justifiable C+
Asomoah is a solid pick B
Moeaki is injury prone and not worth trading up for D
Sheffield C+
K Lewis C
I'm curious
Do you think Weis wanted Tate over McCluster and Pioli and Haley just ignored him?
Or do you just think you know Tate better then his own college coach?
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by KCporkchop on Apr 26, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've been saying for weeks on here
That AP was overrating Tate. I said he’d go late 2nd, early 3rd, and that’s what happened.
The fact that his college coach passed on him and chose a college RB to move to the slot says to me that my thoughts were justified.
I'm guessing that Weis doesn't think Tate would have had as big of and impact as McCluster.
McCluster has that unknown aspect to his game, he is in the huddle but you never know where he will show up. I don’t think the same could be said for Golden Tate…. and I don’t think Tate is near the “homerun” threat that McCluster is.
Thanks to Pioli the children will go hungry without Dez Bryant.
Honestly, Dez couldn't have gone to a worse team.... Fudging Cowboys.
Eric Berry is an excellent addition to the Chiefs.
B
I would of liked to had seen NT addressed. But I’m not upset with any of our picks.
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by Scaryclouds on Apr 26, 2010 9:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
My Grades:
Berry – A+
He truely is a Top 3 talent in the draft and will be a very nice addition to our secondary… I could go on but we all know how good he will probably be.
McCluster – B-
I like the pick but not were we made it. When he was taken I was scratching my head but the more I thought about the element of the “unknown” with McCluster, the more I started liking his ability. Adding him to our offense will make us faster, quicker and more dangerous…. we will have speed to burn between he and Charles.
Javier Arenas – A
I think alot of people will be surprised to see how high I graded him but I love this guy’s game and return ability. He is a very good blitzing DB, good coverage (will be a big upgrade over MoLeggs), nice return man and one hell of a showman. He WILL be a fan favorite.
Jon Asomoah – B
I don’t know alot about Asomoah but I do know we needed o-line help and to me that makes him a B. I assume he has starter potential and, given the way the draft was going, we probably got a good lineman a round later than he normally would have gone.
Tony Moeaki – C+ with the potential to be an A
This kid has all the tools to be a VERY good NFL TE, his knock is the injury issue and that is concering. He has nice hands and is a very good blocker.
Kendrick Lewis – C
I think thr comparison to Morgan is fair. We don’t really know what to expect from this guy but I do think he will be a good Special teams guy and that certainly has a place on this team.
Cameron Sheffield – B
We needed some depth, at least, on the edges and Sheffield seems to be a decent prospect. If he cannot win a starting job I am sure he will be a great rotation guy.
Bottom Line – B
I liked the picks but time will tell. Most of these guys will become significant contributors I believe. Berry is a no brainer, McCluster and Arenas will be impacts right away and I suspect Tony Mo will be too. Asomoah will be great depth and at the very least Sheffield and Lewis will be very nice special teams additions. So that’s 3 probable starters… maybe 4 and some very nice depth. I really like the team captain approach. Solid draft.
Thanks to Pioli the children will go hungry without Dez Bryant.
Honestly, Dez couldn't have gone to a worse team.... Fudging Cowboys.
Eric Berry is an excellent addition to the Chiefs.
Cam Thomas
Let’s all stop and think about this. Where did Cam Thomas play college ball? Hmmm…. North Carolina. What other chiefs DT draft pick came from North Carolina, was a top 10 pick, and was a major bust? Not to mention played in the same defense as Cam Thomas. Get back to me when you figure it out. Cam Thomas, just like our other North Carolina pick, was successful because of the ends around him.
by red_manwalkin83 on Apr 26, 2010 9:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I would argue that Thomas wasn't even that good at NC
He moved up the mock draft boards because of his senior bowl performance and his size. His play on the field in college was very “meh”.
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Again...we're talking about the 5th round
We took a Special Teams possible #4 Safety in the round.
Some had Thomas as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. It was a fairly obvious pick.
And let me say something else, I am NOT a Kiper guy. So this isn’t about Kiper liking him at all.
Yep, they have a defensive end who is already being projected as a Top 3 talent in next years draft.... make you wonder who is better.
Thanks to Pioli the children will go hungry without Dez Bryant.
Honestly, Dez couldn't have gone to a worse team.... Fudging Cowboys.
Eric Berry is an excellent addition to the Chiefs.
boo this argument
Just b/c one player from a school turned out to be a bust doesn’t mean another will.
It’s like the people that tried to say Bulaga will suck b/c Gallery did. Forgetting about the 10 other Hawkeyes playing OL in the NFL.
UNC also produced Peppers on the DL. I think he turned out ok.
that's what i'm sayin
Peppers MADE Ryan Simms and look at him. If you would study North Carolina’s defense you would see that the DE’s are what makes the defensive line so good. They have a top 10 stud there right at RE. Cam Thomas was not a good value in the 5th since he would probably have been cut. North Carolina’s DT’s are like Ohio State’s OLB. Overrated and MADE by the defensemen around them. Its not the players’ fault it’s just the system they are in.
by red_manwalkin83 on Apr 26, 2010 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tony Moeaki...
Just a little bit about the injuries as it seems they have been skirted over on a couple of posts:
“At Wisconsin, he broke his wrist and dislocated his elbow on the same play, "
“Back on the field last fall, he was making a routine cut in pre-season workouts when he broke his foot. He probably tried to come back too soon from that injury, which led to hamstring and calf ailments. He also suffered concussions against Iowa State and Illinois. He managed to see action in parts of nine games last fall, but seldom lasted a full game and never was 100 percent.
He needed a second surgery to repair the foot after the season and missed spring ball again."
“It’s been frustrating, but injuries happen all the time,” he said. “I never was hurt in high school or in my first three seasons here. It’s just been this past year or so.”
“With Tony, our fans haven’t had a chance to see the same guy we’ve seen,” Ferentz said. “He’s an excellent football player, couldn’t be a better team leader or team member. It would be a great boost to our whole football team if he has the kind of year we think he’s capable of.”
I couldn’t find anything on injuries this past season, but it sounds like he just had nagging injuries that could be corrected by strength and conditioning coaches.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Yep, he is in the big leauges now, if our staff can't keep him healthy then no one is going to.
That said, I really like his upside… provided he can stay on the field.
Thanks to Pioli the children will go hungry without Dez Bryant.
Honestly, Dez couldn't have gone to a worse team.... Fudging Cowboys.
Eric Berry is an excellent addition to the Chiefs.
Anyone that consistently watched the Hawkeyes last year
Knows how good Moeaki is. He bailed out Stanzi all the time.
If healthy, this guy is going to be legit. I’m really excited to have him.
I'm not a fan of the Hawkeyes... so I didn't watch any of his games...
He has more upside than downside as far as I’m concerned.
Go Chiefs!!!!
MY GRADES FOR ROUNDS 1 & 2
Berry: A
I dont have to go in to much detail here. A superb playmaker who can play in the deep half or up in the box. Expect to see this guy recking havoc in the secondary.
Dexter McCluster: A
My mind was saying Golden Tate, Roger Goodell was saying Dexter McCluster. I was shocked at first. But instantly realized that he will be our slot guy. With Cassel, Welker had 111 receptions and 1200 yards. Placing the matchup nightmare between Bowe and Chambers will do wonders. No more double teams on Bowe, better 3rd down play, and a security blanket for Cassel. Don’t sleep on this pick. It may be the one we look back on and smile about.
Arenas: A
As soon as Arenas’s name was announced, i understood the beauty of the pick. I watch a lot of SEC football and, I knew the value in this guy. During the draft process, most teams talked about his teammate Kareem Jackson. Jackson is a solid corner with good size but, he is no where near as talented as Arenas. Arenas didn’t garner the draft talk because of his height. Coming in at 5’9, people automatically overlooked him. For being 5’9, it’s amazing how he got 5 sacks, 5 INTs, was 2nd on the team in tackles, and had 11 tackles for loss! In college, Arenas covered most teams #1 receiver and did an excellent job. He is a tenacious and fiery guy. I’ve said it before and ill say it again, he reminds me of Brandon Flowers. Not only his stature but, his attitude and leadership.
Another thing that makes this pick great is that Pioli/Haley did major research. The NFL is changing before our eyes. Gone are the days of running the ball 45 times a game. Teams are spreading the field and passing. Rivers and Orton combined for 8,000+ yards last year. SD and DEN base offensive formation is 3 wide. That means that we need a solid nickel back who can lock down that slot receiver. Arenas has experience playing the slot and is excellent in space.
Last but not least, his return skills are out of this world. The coaches clocked him at a 4.5 at the NFL combine but, he sure doesn’t look 4.5 when he’s running back kicks for touchdowns. Coming up 11 yards short of the NCAA return yardage record is amazing. Field position is the hidden yardage. We sucked at it last year. Arenas will put our offense in great position, and give our defense more field to work with. This was an excellent pick that will pay immediate dividends.
by Larryemcdaniel on Apr 26, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
Adalius Thomas let go by Pats
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/26/patriots-let-go-of-adalius-thomas/
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Pioli
won’t be able to restrain himself. He loves old LBs and former patriots.
Didn;t thomas play fairly poorly last year?
Kendrick Lewis deserves more respect
The guy was his team’s leading tackler, a captain, and was selected at a position of need. Some draft services had him 2nd round rated (e.g., Sportingnews).
Has everyone seen these vids on kcchiefs.com
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Kendrick-Lewis-at-the-Combine/97674f9b-b9ba-46b0-b653-fa7c97f0a4e0#?id=799e38c2-8458-40ec-a98c-571cc7ed5bf7
What I like best about this draft.
Is that everyone here on this blog rarely if ever picked the kind of players that Pioli picked up. Everyone was so caught up in picking traditional position picks. Pioli saw the field from a different angle in picking up a slot and a returner. Guys who can make a huge difference. I won’t claim I saw it because I did not. But I am not so arrogant as some on this blog who perceive themselves to be ultimate authorities.
i gave it an F
we passed on Turtle and imo he was the only safe player in the entire draft.
Unless of course McCluster turns out to be Turtle undercover then I give the draft a TMNT+
Giving draft grades 2 days after the draft= F-
way too early
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
kool-aid
Everybody needs to calm down. The Chiefs had one of their better drafts in years(on paper). These were picks of need and high character. We needed safety help(Berry and Lewis), we needed a versatile return man(Arenas), we needed a hybrid, problematic match up guy(McCluster), we needed a do everything tight end(Moeaki),we needed a pass rusher(forgot his name), and we needed o-line depth(Asamoah). How can we argue about these picks? The chiefs should be a 7-9 team or better in 2010 with this and the last few years’ draft picks maturing.
by red_manwalkin83 on Apr 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
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