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Two Players, Two Posititons, Two Needs, One Pick.

Alright Arrowhead Pride, the time is almost here. Round 1 of the 2010 NFL Draft.. Who will it be? Will we trade down? Safety? Linebacker? Offensive Lineman? Well we will be figuring that all out soon. What I'm here to do is break this down to two players who I believe we here at AP have narrowed it done to.

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Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama

Rolando McClain I can easily see the Chiefs and Mr Pioli picking. He is the Chiefs "it" player. He doesn't have the sex appeal or the hype like Curry last year. Already the "fire storm" of who people are leading the Chiefs to select is already happening, and that guy is McClain. The very same thing happened last year with Tyson Jackson just right before the draft, and what do you know .... With the 3rd pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU. I'm not trying to shove it down your throats our anything I'm just pointing out, this is my pick for the Chiefs. He seems to be the right mold for the Chiefs. He's taken claim to being the Quarterback of your defense. I think that's just what we need and what we would get with McClain. He's a never ending motor, never giving up and always giving his best. So I give to you, Rolando McClain:

 

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Ericy Berry, Safety, Tennessee

Eric Berry. Yes, the popular pick. The sexy pick. I like Eric Berry, I wish we could get McClain and Berry. They'd both be great players. Berry provides the safety help we could really use. The Ed Reed clone. He can be one of the best ball hawking safeties in the league. If he lives up to potential could be one of the best safeties we ever see. He was that good in college. He's a leader and captain on defense. He is a constant play maker and could pull off what Mike Brown did against the Raiders almost every week. He'd step in right way and be there and start. He's this years Aaron Curry. The one everyone is talking about and wishing they could get. Last year Aaron Curry went to the Seahawks, and well Berry could, although I don't see it. He'd be here playing great for us, if he came here he'd likely (barring any contractual problems or other matters) be here for the next decade: So I give to you, Eric Berry.

 

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Let's put it this way: Whatever player, if it's one of these, will be a great player for our team and will be a major impact for this team for years to come.

 

I know maybe doing this isn't such a great idea to prevent what I don't want. I want this as a friendly discussion on Berry and on McClain. Discussing the other. What I really want is for you guys not to argue about the pick whether Berry or McClain. Just discuss it, what each one could do and the impact and even the long-term effect. I'll put my opinion in the comments.

 

*This post only coordinates with our number 5 draft pick, if we trade down it does not count :) If we trade down, Eric Berry chances decrease and Rolando McClain chances increase.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I think McClain is a product of playing behind a great NT. The problem is, we don’t have one of those. Without Cody or Williams, McClain is a useless pick. Looks like DJ version 2.0 to me.

Berry, however, owns half of the field and can cover way more ground as well as being helpful to us in the run defense aspect. He is a ball hawk and is dangerous with the ball in his hands. To me, Berry should be our guy.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 21, 2010 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

But Derrick Johnson was no Rolando McClain coming out of college.

I don’t think he was a product of Cody. He’s a play maker. You don’t become great or good via one player in front of you. McClain worked and earned himself the (not so much) credit he gets.

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

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by KC Nate on Apr 21, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

McClain gets plenty of credit.

And in the 3-4, the player in front of you makes a GIANT (pun intended) difference. I’m not saying he’s not a good ILB, with potential to be great, but you can’t discount Cody’s impact.

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by KaloPhoenix on Apr 21, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He get's credit but not as much as others have. Which is somewhat understandable.

I’m not discrediting Cody. But throw in any linebacker in the country and I guarantee you results may vary. Cody is good at what he does and McClain is good at what he does. McClain works hard and gets HIS job done. He doesn’t sit there and rely on Cody or any Nose Tackle.

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

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"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 21, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

This shouldn't be a surprise

Football is the ultimate team game.

Saying an ILB is no good without a good NT can easily be reversed. A good NT without good LBs behind him doesn’t look as good either.

Same goes for secondary players and pass rushers. Same goes for RBs and O-linemen.

So you can’t think “Well since we don’t have a good NT, McClain won’t be as good”. We need to get McClain AND a good NT.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 21, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nailed it on the head.

I think a possible scenario is McClain 1st and Troup 3rd
or Cody 2a and Spikes 2b.
Something of these sorts.

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 21, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That last bit is what I've been saying throughout the entire draft fiasco.

Not necessarily McClain (although he’d be just fine), but unless we get a NT, any defensive player we pick won’t be as effective.

I’m also of the opinion that some of our players aren’t as bad as advertised due to our lack of NT.

I’m cool with McClain. I’m cool with Berry. As long as we net a STARTING NT, I’ll be ecstatic.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Apr 21, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I've said...

The safeties last year often had to cheat up to protect the run because we were that horrible against the run. So in order to secure the run safeties cheated up and risked getting caught because the run stop was far worse that pass defense and had Flowers and Carr. With an ILB that can stop the run and do it well. Even more so with a decent NT in front of him, whether Cody, or whoever we get or signed, the safeties won’t have to cheat so much and be more productive.

I’m not saying our safeties are good, they can definitely be improved, but I think they can be improved in 2nd round or middle rounds.

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 21, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

If we can trade down and grab Cody in the middle teens...

that sure seems like an ideal situation to me. I think the Nose is by far our biggest need right now. Much more than an ILB. Safety is a VERY close 2nd. We probably couldn’t get Berry or Thomas in that scenario but, there are several good safeties available in the middle rounds. Not so much when talking about NTs. Once Williams and Cody are off the board, there is a huge dropoff in talent.

Honestly, if we can’[t trade down, I would almost like to see us go ahead and reach for a NT because positionally, it would make the biggest difference on the defense. Also, I wouldn’t mind seeing what guys like DJ, Mays, DW, etc. could do behind a big nasty NT like Cody. They may really surprise us with some better play up front.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 21, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd be all for trading down and grabbing Cody.

This is just a no-trade scenario.

I think Torell Troup in 3rd would be nice, he seemed to work well with Crennel and he liked him a lot it seemed.

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 21, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

with ya Kev

this D would improve drastically this season and be an out & out steamroller in a couple of seasons w’ a bona fide man-bear-pig like Cody……I’m just afraid it’s not gonna happen this time. Both safety and ILB are glaring weaknesses and either Berry or McClain would be o.k. w’ me

as far as November goes, we must make this happen!

by reedeasy on Apr 21, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Reed. Good to see ya.

Fact is, any of these guys will help us. I’m just afraid that if we don’t get one of the top NTs, we are gonna get screwed and I don’t know if we can get the kind of play we need from a guy like Troupe in the later rounds. (although, Romeo IS very familiar with him so, if he likes him, I guess that’s okay)

BTW, Krayfish and I were talking about an AP party at Arrowhead on Nov 21st for the Cardinals game. Sounds like a good way to kick it for our B-days, don’t ya think?

by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 21, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d be fine with either, but looking at what we currently have at S and ILB, Safety is the greater need, and I think Berry will be the pick if we stay at #5. The biggest plus about McClain over Berry is what’s behind McClain at ILB vs what’s behind Berry. Much more depth at safety, BUT Berry has a far better chance to be a special player than McClain does.

by dablueguy on Apr 21, 2010 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I tend to disagree.

I think safety looks bad because of the situational aspect with cheating safeties and poor run stopping LBs

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 21, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Berry because

he has the ability to contend for a starting job at 5 different spots including defense and special teams and will be able to win a starting job at one of the two DB positions that we have great need whether SS, FS (or Corner if that is our weakest point…which it hasn’t been reported to be).

McClain on the other hand absolutely would do his best work IF we have a solid NT that eats up 2 OL at a time. It’s simply the way our 3-4 D is designed. That’s not to say we don’t have that NT in Shaun Smith already, or won’t get one in round 2 who can do an adequate job in his first season beating out Shaun Smith. In either of those cases, our defense improves drastically with McClain running the D. My big question is whether an ILB merits the #5 money.

So while I prefer Berry at the #5, I would be happy with either one. If everyone else ahead of us goes OL or QB leaving Suh there at #5 my vote goes with him to fight out the NT position with Dorsey and Smith with either Suh or Dorsey ending up at the DE position.

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by giftedchiefsfan on Apr 21, 2010 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I said I was fine with McClain...scratch that

Check out LarryMcdaniels’ fanshot on McClain

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by giftedchiefsfan on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

a NT won't and can't predict McClain's future.

A NT doesn’t make an ILB and an ILB doesn’t make a NT. They all got to work and do their jobs. I don’t believe the there hast to be this player for the other player to look good. They both have to be able to do their jobs with/without the other.

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 22, 2010 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trade down

I’d say Roethlisberger puts a huge wrinkle in the draft and someone wanting a QB will opt for the proven player as opposed to the college youngster. If we can get a decent 1st and 2nd round pick for our #5, hopefully Pioli takes it. We can get the talent we need and desire without the huge bonus/risk that comes with a 5 pick.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Apr 21, 2010 11:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Good Post

On pure ability and need, Berry is the choice, hands down…

but, this draft looks very deep with Safeties and NTs. LB is not so deep, maybe McClain should be the choice, and we get the best safety & NT in the 2nd and 3rd round.

I’d love to see Golden Tate at 2a, but all these scenarios have already been posted. I can’t wait to see what the actual picks are. It’s gonna be exciting!!!!!!

by cpa913 on Apr 21, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd also be happy with

Spoon, Suh, Mt Cody, etc.

It’s hard to get excited about OL, but I guess if we get Okung, that I wouldn’t be upset, OK, I’d be upset, but it wouldn’t be a bad thing.

by cpa913 on Apr 21, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd just as soon have Earl Thomas and Spoon as berry and McClain

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by upamtn on Apr 22, 2010 12:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Ehh

I’d be ok but, Spoon’s an OLB and not ILB. ILB is a poor depth this year, you got McClain then Spikes somewhere in 2-4th, but after that it’s horrid. That’s why I see we need to pick McClain. The NT and S depth is incredible

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 22, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both would be an upgrade over the player we have currently playing the respective position

Berry would make those last line of defense tackles that Mike Brown couldn’t.
McClain would make those big hits on the RB that Demorrio Williams couldn’t.
Both these players bring so much to the table. Either way our defence improves.
I am 100%, without a trade down, that the pick will be one of these two, but then again, lots of people were “certain” Curry would be the pick last year.

Mt Cody will be the chiefs pick.
Chiefs trade down with philly for 24th and 37th for the 5th
24th Terrence Cody NT, 36th Nate Allen S, 37th Jerry Hughes OLB, 50th Vladimeer Ducasse OT, 68th Brandon Spikes ILB, 102nd Eric Olsen C, 136th Darrel Stuckey S, 142nd Anthony McCoy TE, 146th John Connor FB

by trentchiefsfan on Apr 22, 2010 2:54 AM CDT reply actions  

But IMO

He was the sexy popular, perhaps overrated and the one can’t miss pick everyone wanted. That’s no so with McClain, which is why I tend to think that would be Pioli’s pick. But I guess no one really knows.

With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*

*I am on the record saying that OT will NOT NOT NOT be the 1st pick. Any one expert or mock that says we should go OT with the 1st, sorry, is an idiot.*
Albert Waters Wieg Lilja O'Call. The line is fine! Need a C and future replacement for Waters and we are set! So any OT early on would be a wasted pick.

"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"

by KC Nate on Apr 22, 2010 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly I’ll be pretty happy with any pick Suh if he fell which I don’t see happening, Berry, McClain a trade down is ideal if getting McClain as not sure many teams right after us would be drafting him we probably could move down 10-15 and still have a pretty good shot at getting him.
I hope we don’t draft an OL in the first we added some more vets, Albert looked pretty good along with the rest of the line to end the year lets hope they grow on that along with some more vet leadership.
What would some of you think about a McClain in the 1st, a safety and offensive player pick whoever you want at a or b as I’m not currently looking at any mocks, then Troup for our first 3 rounds? Middle of our every level would have an upgrade from the previous year in talent along with a 2nd round offensive player

by karkz86 on Apr 22, 2010 6:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Berry

in my opinion would force teams to game plan a little differently against us. If you have a ballhawk in the secondary, you are gonna think twice before slinging the ball around all willy nilly (first Broncos game). Miles Austin isn’t having a career day. Jerome Harrison is sure as hell not making history (good safeties stop those massive chunks of yardage). And in combination with a NT from the 2nd round (Thomas, Troup, Joseph) Berry could make our LB corp and our CBs better instantly.

McClain will also have an impact on our defense that was horrendous at stopping the run. But I don’t feel like he’ll have as much of an effect on both the run and pass D like Berry will…

by Hail2DaChiefs on Apr 22, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

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