Cowboys Safety Ken Hamlin Hits The Open Market
by Joel Thorman on Apr 2, 2010 12:49 PM CDT
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PrintBill Parcells and the Dallas Cowboys signed safety Ken Hamlin in 2007 -- one year after Todd Haley left the team. Hamlin was eventually signed to a six-year contract in 2008 (after Parcells left). He's sorta, kinda got the Parcells connection there.
Today, the Cowboys released Hamlin (and LT Flozell Adams).
The Chiefs of course have a major need at safety and while Hamlin's certainly not the long-term solution, could provide a stopgap.
ESPN's Bill Williamson takes a look at how Hamlin could fit in the AFC West.
Kansas City, San Diego and Oakland could all be in the market for a safety. The Chiefs have the biggest need at the position. If he came cheaply, Hamlin wouldn't be a terrible move for the Chiefs even if they took Tennessee's Eric Berry with the No. 5 pick.
I could see the Chiefs taking a look. Depending on how the draft shakes out, Hamlin could be an adequate stopgap.
(H/T tomahawk44)
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I could see Payton and the Saints
sniffing this dude out since Sharper’s not coming back
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
What's more unklikely? Suh falling to #5 or Demaryius Thomas to #36?
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 2, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Good point.
They’d allow him to be more of a ball-hawker, much like they did with Sharper last year.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Since they didn't franchise
or re-sign him and let him hit the market. The owner’s gone on record to say he can’t afford him.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
What's more unklikely? Suh falling to #5 or Demaryius Thomas to #36?
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 2, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
A shame really, Sharper's got at least one more good year in him
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 3, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Safety familiar with the 3-4 defense.
This will be telling to what Pioli’s draft plan is.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Apr 2, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
I would be shocked
If they pursue this guy and made NO attempt at Antrel Rolle. I could be wrong and he’ll be in a Chiefs uniform this week, but still would shock me.
They don’t go for this guy they gotta be thinking Safety early in the draft. Cue Eric Berry walking into Arrowhead…
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Draft wish: Eric Berry, Golden Tate, Jerry Hughes, Roger Saffold, Freddie Barnes, Terrance Cody
You're rabid at the mouth for some E.B.
They didn’t go for Antrel because he was ridiculously overpaid. Similarly to why they didn’t resign Wade Smith, because in their eyes either player weren’t worth overspending for. Hamlin is much more reasonably priced and probably more the profile player they’re looking to sign. I’m not talking about character – I’m talking about the difference from superstar caliber to reasonably priced vets.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
What's more unklikely? Suh falling to #5 or Demaryius Thomas to #36?
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 2, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
the difference would be money
they didn’t go harder after Rolle b/c of the cash he wanted. This offseason’s theme has been signing guys without a huge financial risk. So we could pursue Hamlin if we felt we could get him much like we did Lilja and TJ.
by tebunker on Apr 2, 2010 1:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
or an incentive laden contract with extra years?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
"Bill Parcells and the Dallas Cowboys signed safety Ken Hamlin in 2007"
Don’t mean to bepicky Joel, but Bill Parcells left after the 2006 season.
Great post btw.
Flozell ... gotta love a name like Flozell
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
yeah its kinda different...
Im just use to the name Flowsdownhill….
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Kinda off the subject
But I just read a small article on Todd Haley from earlier in the season by a Cowboy blog….
Read this….it’s about Haley’s attitude and it makes me love this guy even more!
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/10/todd-haleys-coaching-philosophy.html
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Apr 2, 2010 1:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Off-topic but nice link.
I like the way Pollard didn’t last long when he complained in practice about some “ME” stuff, but at the same time, when ‘Quan or Cassel or …. get in his face, even at game-time, if it’s about WINNING, he shows a lot of tolerance and a short memory. I think whether the guy actually has a case to make, even if Haley disagrees, he’s still about the truth and winning and not about saving his OWN face or winning a pissing contest.
We haven’t pursued any of the vet safeties that have been on the market, probably because we are targetting Berry and another later round safety such as Chancellor in the draft. If Berry is gone by #5, and we have to go to plan B(hopefully McClain), then we might take a look at a Hamlin type after the draft.
Have to say that is false.
We haven’t pursued any of the vet safeties that have been on the market, probably because we are targetting Berry
That’s because there hasn’t been really any or many reasoned priced safeties out there, Antrel was going to be and was expensive. That doesn’t mean he’s setting up for Berry. Could be there wasn’t any. I hope we go safety with 2b.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
And we had the probably the "best" veteran safety available in Mike Brown.
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Draft him for the children people!
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I was stoked when Pioli signed, I thought we a decent option for a few years.
But he didn’t pan out.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
I would give Pioli a few more years. ( ;
But yes I really like the Mike Brown signing…. and I don’t think it’s out iof the question that he returns.
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
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Well I meant when Pioli signed Mike Brown, my bad.
Yea, I’ll give Brown another year but if he lets up plays like last year, we need to look at our other options.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Dion Grant was one I was thinking of.
But I do think we’re setting up for Berry. He’s the guy, if available. Fits Piioli’s previous 1st round choice criteria, best player available at extreme position of need, with little downside risk. Unless Suh is available, which I highly, highly doubt.
positional value, positional value, positional value. Pioli will not take Berry 5 overall.
Call me Red or IBR for short
Where do you get this from? Please don’t tell me that ridiculous article from Peter King with Pioli’s planted comments to Dimitroff. Where has Scott Pioli ever said or shown he was against drafting a Safety in round 1? In fact, he has drafted a safety in round 1. Positional value is all well and good, but when you already have a young QB you believe in, a young LT that has proven he can play the position at a high level, and the best or 2nd best TALENT in the draft is available to you at a position of EXTREME need, you grab him. Berry is the guy they’ve planned for in the draft. Now TB and Wash have to co-operate.
Bulaga draft police
Not taking berry does not mean we will take Bulaga. If signing a new starting safety means that we won’t take Berry, the same logic leads to us not taking a LT given our line signings.
We will pick MClain or Williams
Williams.
In my eyes I’d see Pioli reaching for Cody over Williams, just my opinion and 2 cents. Could be wrong and I could sound foolish.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
I sure hope not
I’d rather we reach for the DT from UCLA than Cody
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
Cody is far better.
With the right coaching, he can be a monster. The only problem with him was his weight issue. If we can’t have in order at no. 5 1 McClain 2 Berry, then 3 I want Cody
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Sorry I just don't like him
his weight problems speak for him as a bit lazy, course thats just my own take on it, the other is his body type no muscle def, speaks of major problems later in life.
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
But he's shown and proven
He can work hard when question, hounded on and loose weight. With our coaching staff and especially Coach Haley, that will be no different.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
I think...
Williams fits more the Pioli mold than Cody. Cody is the blob NT type (S Rodgers, K Jenkins) whereas Williams is what they call a power pig type (Wilfork, Hampton). Williams is shorter, faster, more agile, higher endurance, and frankley had better production in college. He is a good prospect. But, he is a high risk pick since he wasn’t consistent in college and I don’t know if the kid fits the right 53 mold. If Pioli and Crennel like what he offers in between the ears, he will be the pick.
Call me Red or IBR for short
That about sums it up. Good job.
And when Pioli uses the term “positional value,” his true meaning may bear little resemblance to our understanding.
I imagine “value” also means the absolute TALENT LEVEL of the player in question, and other factors thrown in. For instance, even though LT is considered worthy of a top 5, do any of THIS YEAR’s LTs scout that high? That’s the thing about Bulaga that I don’t like. OTOH, Pioli ALSO values the absence of down-side. That’s Bulaga to a ‘T’.
He wouldn't come cheaply...maybe in a few months after he hasn't been even sneezed at by another team...
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I’m sitting in Rydy’s Bar-B-Q eating my lunch (please no comments on that, I live in Amarillo Texas. Kansas City Bar-B-Q is something these people can only dream of.) and at the bottom of the ESPN screen I see this news out of Jones Central. Wasn’t Adams supposed to be their premier OT, except for the inability to concentrate on the snap count? Oh wait, the holding calls too, Oh damn, the personal foul calls, forgot about those.
With the #5 pick in the NFL draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Eric Berry, Safety from Tennessee.
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Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
Er, Hamlin?
Only know of his time with the Cowboys, where he’s really only had one good season. Three years ago. Recently I’ve only seen his name come up when he’s getting beat.
Never saw him play too much with Seattle, but the numbers indicate he was somewhat productive. Wouldn’t hurt to work him out, bring him in for competition. Don’t know what his pricetag would be, though.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Mike Brown > or = to Ken Hamlin
If we need veteran safety depth, why not just re-sign Brown for the veteran minimum?
Mike Brown with a good NT > Mike Brown last year
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
So true.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
I keep going back and forth on this
I can’t decide.
Sharper could demand a bit more money than Pioli wants to give out.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Good point.
Normally I’d respond with, “well, we certainly have plenty to offer.”
Now that I think about it though, maybe Sharper won’t be as expensive as we think. Considering he hasn’t signed with anyone yet, is it crazy to think he won’t be earning top dollar next year?
by NW on Apr 3, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
We should also take a look at Flozell the Hotel
see if he’s got anything left in the tank. If nothing else, he could be one hell of a backup
by VermeilLikesToCry on Apr 2, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
Until we actually get enough tackles on our roster to field a team,
I’m open to looking at anyone.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Apr 2, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for the background research Joel
I was curious about the possibility when the tweet came out about his release.
by TonyG88 on Apr 2, 2010 2:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hamlin
Think about it…..there is room for both Hamlin and Berry in KC. I still don’t believe that we will draft Berry with the 5th pick BUT I certainly don’t think signing Hamlin would preclude us from doing so. For the right price Hamlin is a GREAT pickup. Given the choice I would rather sign Hamlin than use the #5 pick on Berry.
by UsAIdtHAtAlrEaDy on Apr 2, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions
Izzat you, sillyhatday?
I’ll say this for Hamlin: He was the ONLY guy in Dallas’s secondary ANYbody worried about.
I’ll say this against Hamlin: He didn’t stay on the field in a key game.
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I belive Haley is familiar with both Hamlin and Adams .. so if either could fit in then he’d be in a positoiin to know that. Personally, it doesn’t look like Hamlin is much of an upgrade but if Adams has any tread left on the tires he could help the O-line depth.
If we sign Flozell
Our offensive line penalties will go up approximately 50%
Flozell would be a good fill in if KC misses on an OT again in the draft
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I don't know...
why we would want Hamlin on our roster. He flat out bombed in Dallas, he got released for a reason. He had one good season, got paid, and quickly declined. I don’t like those types, he can go somewhere else.
Call me Red or IBR for short
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