If The Eagles Want A Top Safety, The Chiefs Are "Open For Business"
by Joel Thorman on Apr 17, 2010 12:13 PM CDT
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PrintAfter the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb for the Redskins second round pick a couple weeks ago, I said it now makes sense why they worked out Eric Berry.
That's because the Eagles are now equipped with the draft choices to possibly move into the top ten. Peter King of SI.com confirmed the Eagles interest in nabbing one of the top two safeties -- at least one of which is expected to go in the top seven picks of the draft.
"I think the Eagles want to come up," King wrote.
"Let me rephrase that -- I know they want to come up. The Eagles are in a very small club, teams that want to jump up from low in the first round to the upper half. I believe Philly wants one of the two safeties in the draft -- Eric Berry of Tennessee or Earl Thomas of Texas. With the 24th, 35th, 55th and 70th picks, the Eagles absolutely have the ammo to move up."
As I said a couple weeks ago, it makes sense that the Chiefs would be interested in the Eagles as a trade partner because there's a precedent for this.
Last year, the Chiefs reportedly offered the Lions the third overall pick for the 20th and 33rd picks. The Lions said no. This year the Chiefs could conceivably offer the fifth pick for the Eagles' 24th and 37th.
The value in each of those trades seems to match up. Why wouldn't they be interested in that deal again?
As far as the Chiefs chances of trading the pick, GM Scott Pioli said on Friday 'We're open for business.'
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for the 24th and 37th?
I’d give my firstborn son…Imagine what kind of draft we would have with 9 picks in the first 5 rounds…
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by giftedchiefsfan on Apr 17, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
We would be dominating the late 1st - early 2nd rounds.
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Apr 17, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
getting Cody at 20th
then we can pick jerry hughes and nate allen in the second
With the news that there is no Crohn's disease on it, I'm back on the McClain train
Your 2011 AFC Champions, The Kansas City Chiefs
Draft
1) Rolando McClain ilb 2a) Terrence Cody nt 2b) Jerry Hughes olb 3) Myron Rolle s 4) Eric Olsen c
by trentchiefsfan on Apr 17, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
i love this idea
but i don’t think hughes will survive the first round
KC sends 5 and 50 to Buffalo for 9, 41, and 72.
Bills take Clausen, Chiefs go 8-8 in 2010.
Betcha an eyebrow.
by Chief TigerGator on Apr 17, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say we've got a bigger need at ILB than OLB right now
but maybe that’s just me? It just seems glaringly obvious to me that we’ve got a bigger need at ILB than we do outside. Vrabel has another season and Studebaker is progressing nicely behind him. Tamba has the opposite OLB slot plugged.
Inside, however, we’ve got a bunch of rotational guys that would be starters in a 4-3 but no one has stepped up and shown they’ve got much potential to do. Demorrio is just too light and Mays is a better special teamer than starter, while Jovan has huge upside but is still incredibly raw. Who knows what’s going to happen with DJ going forward but if he is ever going to gain consistency it’s going to be with Crennel coaching him.
In other words, we’ve got plenty of depth at ILB but no true starters and we’ve got 1-3 starters at OLB (depending on Vrabel’s durability going forward and Studebaker’s progress in the meantime) but no depth. Personally, I’d rather get 11 starters on the field before I worry about adding depth.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Apr 17, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ILB is a need
I’d say we’ve got a bigger need at ILB than OLB right now
but maybe that’s just me? It just seems glaringly obvious to me that we’ve got a bigger need at ILB than we do outside.
But you can NEVER have too many good pass-rushers.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
maybe
with the 3rd second we take Darryl Washington or Brandon Spikes
With the news that there is no Crohn's disease on it, I'm back on the McClain train
Your 2011 AFC Champions, The Kansas City Chiefs
Draft
1) Rolando McClain ilb 2a) Terrence Cody nt 2b) Jerry Hughes olb 3) Myron Rolle s 4) Eric Olsen c
by trentchiefsfan on Apr 17, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Draft pick trade with Eagles
Here you go I crunched some numbers and here is what I find. This is based on the “Jimmy Johnson” draft trade value system. If we trade #5 (chart value 1,700) to the Eagles for #24 (740) and #37 (530) to get the difference still left you would need to exchange our 5th round pick #144 (chart value 34) which is our last of three picks in round 5 for the Eagles 2nd pick in round 3, #87 (value 155). We would still need their 3rd round pick in 2011 (round 3 picks are valued 265-116) these moves would be mathematically almost a push in value. I based these moves on the idea that most teams will not trade a 1, 2, 3 all in one draft, but often deal a combination of the three in two drats. This would give us: 1st (24), 2nd picks 4,5,18 in this round, 3rd picks 4, 23 in this round, 4th pick 4, and 5th picks 5, 11 in this round. We would also get the Eagles 3rd pick in 2011. That means we would have 6 picks in rounds 1-3 including 4 picks in the top 50 picks. PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by slap24 on Apr 17, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
THE DRAFT CHART IS BOGUS
yes this is a time when all caps is needed. The draft chart isn’t used by GM’s and shouldn’t be used by us chucks.
by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 17, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I support the use of CAPS LOCK in this instance.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Nice work slap24
as that would be fair deal for both sides & a flipping sweet deal for the Chiefs !!
Or...
Philly can trade this years 1st and 3rd with next years 2nd? You don’t have to trade picks for the same year.
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ther's not enough
there to trade with the eagles i know that ,that would give us alot of trades. but the prob is where those picks are at .true this draft is deep but we need a big time guy in there along with the gems that might be in the late rounds.if we do trade down it should be with some team that’s not that far down.because how we sit now we have three picks in the top 50 so to fall that far one extra pick in the top 50 is not worth it if we lose out on the better payers .in my opinion. for me anyways it just don’t seem worth it just because the shape our team is in and we don’t need a punch of late round guys we need some good starters in here.i don’t think we should down past 15-18
I would be happy with that.
We get two extra high picks, and you get all the sufferening.
by ChiefsFan90s on Apr 17, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
we cannot be afraid to take the person most lilely to have the biggest impact
on this team from day one and turn down these offers just for more people who may not pan out at all.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
One player
will not fix this team BiiG_C. I wish it was that simple and I can’t wait for that day to get here. Until then, its the big picture thing.
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I agree...Screw Philly...
If Berry is the player who the experts say he could be, he will be making the plays that equal both himself and that extra pick. Half of your picks don’t make your ball club anyway. Why waste the opportunity to get a sure thing.
by NFL season ticket holder on Apr 17, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too
Let’s get a player we want, rather than accumulate picks and see who is around when we pick.
by HowSweetItIs on Apr 17, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
there will also be a fifth or a sixth
by PSUkegreen on Apr 17, 2010 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lions turned down a similar trade last year
People just don’t like those top picks anymore. The value is much lower than even a few years back.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 17, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
idk though because i think pioli is so confident in his drafting ability that he probablt favors a quantity of picks over quality since he thinks he can get just as good quality later on
Belicheck has the same philosophy, he said he would rather have late firsts and seconds than top 20 picks
by irishking44 on Apr 17, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right Terrance Cody and Jerry Hughes wouldn't be worth Eric Berry.
wait a second.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 17, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
:) rec
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
I 2nd this
Arrowheadpride - A place to intelligently discuss things that won't actually happen. In Pioli I trust.
along with possibly a golden tate and brandon spikes
i have a chubby just dreaming of that
Personally i would go.
Cody
Hughes
Allen
Spikes
That would set our defense up nice and ridiculous like. Then with our 3rd rounder go Andre Roberts WR Citadel guy is climbing. He has good speed great hands and he was the best receiver at the senior bowl. He is a perfect slot option and apparently a lot of scouts are down on Golden saying he is a project.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 17, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
i love roberts, hands down was the best wr at the senior bowl
and being from the cit you know he’s got the discipline that haley loves
That is the BEST possible draft
Then pick up a center with the 4th round pick. Then see what our CB’s can do with a better pass rush. I think our offence will surprise everyone this season
With the news that there is no Crohn's disease on it, I'm back on the McClain train
Your 2011 AFC Champions, The Kansas City Chiefs
Draft
1) Rolando McClain ilb 2a) Terrence Cody nt 2b) Jerry Hughes olb 3) Myron Rolle s 4) Eric Olsen c
by trentchiefsfan on Apr 17, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
willams or cody NT in the first. then S,WR,Oline in the first 2 rounds I will call that a good day.
by PSUkegreen on Apr 17, 2010 12:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
hmm eagles should throw in a player in there too
or maybe their first or second next year as well too
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
He is the guy on the Eagles who I would want more than any other...
That kid is a freak. I’ve never seen anybody get so freaking open deep down the field before.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 17, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
how about they get our fifth
and we get their 24th pick, their second round pick this year and next year….. AND maclin lol haha
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
this is the trade down i hope for
To have 3 picks in the first two rounds that are within 14 selections, is amazing (24th, 36th, 37th). Maybe grab Spoon, Cody, Allen with those 3 picks. Having those picks gives us major ammo to move around and add additional picks for next year.
by Larryemcdaniel on Apr 17, 2010 12:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Peter King..
I gotta tell ya, this makes sense. I am now this much closer to making my conclusions about the Chiefs draft in 2010. Peter King is legit. Out of all the national sports guys, I like Peter King the most these days. I got to meet him last year at camp. I think he is one of them that ACTUALLY follows the Chiefs. Plus him, and Pioli are close. This could happen, and again, I would be on the McClain train as well. As I have been all along. 
by BarrysKoolaid on Apr 17, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
The 'precendent' last year
Was a one-time situation peculiar to last year’s draft. Tyson would’ve been gone but we would’ve gotten value in the 1st (O-line), plus picked up the 2nd (Barwin) we lost. This year’s draft and situation are completely different. Lots of talent up and down the boards, but less value in the 24th and 37th than the 5th…if KC doesn’t get at least a 4th round value pick in addtion, then NO WAY.
Correct. Last year we were in a position of weakness at #3. There was no one worthy of trading up for, except Sanchez, but no need to move up to #3 to get him, and only one team was interested in trading up. We were locked into our player(T-Jax). This year, there are several worthy trade up for type players, there might be several teams in the market for a trade up, and there are several #5 players we’d take(Berry, McClain, Suh if he drops).
Their first and 2a? In a fucking heartbeat
The kind of players we need are the ones taken in the mid to late first anyway
by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 17, 2010 12:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
For real
Weatherspoon is gonna be a better pro than McClain. If we can move back and select the hometown kid without reaching, and receive a 2nd or 3rd rounder in this draft then ya gotta pull the trigger. We could essentially rebuild in the defense in one draft.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 17, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
’Spoon is beastmode. Plus we could end up with Spoon and Mount Cody, still nab a high quality safety in Nate Allen (and pull Rolle in the fifth).
Spoon
Cody
Allen
Decker
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
I should add the one exception
If Ndominating Suh is sitting there at five, we’ll need a Sticky Icky Ricky deal or no dice.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
Spoon, the gaurd of Idaho, Pouncy, Cody, Tate
Any two of those two of those players are more attrative than just Berry or McClain.
This would make my wife run to the store.....
If we could get Iupati, Pouncy, and Tate out of something like this plus what we were already drafting in the 2nd and 3rd rounds my wife will need to buy me some Depends.
Let's keep matriculating down the field, boys.
Spoon could be a better pro but i doubt it.
Spoon will be a Wil backer in a 4-3 and he will be successful. If he goes to a 3-4 team i see him struggling much like DJ struggles. He is a dynamic playmaker that plays very well in space but he lacks physicality. He lacks that i’m gonna pop you in the mouth mentality that you want in your 3-4 ILB.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 17, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Spoon has apparently dropped some weight in the prep for the draft.
What about converting him to a strong safety?
Charles to the 20... 10... TOUCHDOWN! KANSAS CITY!
Will know what's going to happen (not) soon enough.
I wouldn’t mind grabbing up some more pick’s for the 5th overall. I just want to see if it happens what kind of pics we make. April 22nd should be a very interesting day for the Chiefs and its followers.
"Without me, it's just aweso".- a possible comment made by Jamaal Charles and/or Eric Berry.
if i said the Chiefs had the
24th, 36th, 37th, 51st, 66th picks in the draft, you’d all be ecstatic. Make the trade if its there!
by Larryemcdaniel on Apr 17, 2010 1:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
thats too much
You have to make the deal sweet enough for them to want to do it. The eagles aren’t giving up a 1st, two 2nds and paying the 5th pick 25 mil guarenteed.
by Larryemcdaniel on Apr 17, 2010 1:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd do it
assuming another mid-late round pick is thrown in. There is a large list of players I dont want the Chiefs to draft 5th overall, but I dont think I’d argue or complain about anyone picked in the 20s and later.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Now this is more like it. If we could get Cody and a good Safety.....AND Spoon.....
This would be one of the best drafts ever…..on paper. Time will always tell.
Do it!
This is as deep of a draft as I can remember, and I’ve been an NFL fan since the sixties. I really like Berry, but he alone is not going to turn the team around. Close, but not quite enough. We would have a chance to address every hole we have, with possibly 5 or 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, and even have some depth at several positions. This draft could be the final move to build that Lombardi winner within 2 or 3 years, and give us a competitive team for years to come! Pioli knows what he is doing, and his goal is not mediocracy and just filling seats. The Chiefs will fly under the radar this year. The team nobody respects or says anything about, will rise to playoff contention (may not make it, but I think we will be in the discussion until the final week or two).
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
Would be a great trade, as long as they throw in a late rounder
I think Pioli would do it in a heartbeat.
I really want Eric Berry, especially since he and Flowers are buddies.
But at the same time, it just doesn’t make sense to pay a rookie safety $20mil guaranteed. Not even Ed Reed or Bob Sanders make that much money.
If we traded down, We could pile up on talent. PILE UP. I think it’s a trade we have to make if offered.
Of course Pioli will try to trade down
He tried to last year. The problem is in finding someone who wants to trade up to #5 in a draft so deep in talent. Usually the teams that do that either a) need a franchise QB or b) are only one or two pieces away from a Super Bowl.
Unless Suh somehow falls or Philly is desperate for Berry (which I doubt with Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays, and Nate Allen also in the Draft) I don’t see a trade happening. Some have talked about Buffalo trading up ahead of CLE to grab Clausen, but I don’t think CLE will take Clausen when they can get Colt McCoy in the second, and even if CLE does take Clausen, the Bills will just take the best OT available on the board at #9 and fix their other gaping hole on offense.
of coarse,
You ( & Holmgren) are certain McCoy lasts ‘til the 2nd? If I’m the Vikes, I take him at the bottom of the 1st. Farve will soon retire for good.
The Eagles think thay are one or two pieces away
And rumor is that they want one of the top two safetys in the draft. That means if they really want Berry, they will pony up what it takes to get him. Which had better be more than two picks.
We have some pretty senior former Eagles Administrative staff
now in the Chiefs franchise too (Donovan and somebody he brought along). I am sure the most back of back channels can be reached between these two teams to work out a good trade if it does happen.
if Pioli pulled off that trade I would send TWO pairs of lips to kiss his glorious ring
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
would you send Kray to kiss his A$$?
LOL :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
yes, and we'd have photos!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
How about this
trade down with Cleveland to #7 then trade down with San Fran to #13 then trade down with Philly to #24
The eagles would trade into the top 10
not necessarily down to 5 to get Berry, they’d be happy with Earl Thomas and they wouldn’t have to give up as much to get into the top 10, say 9-11 range, and they’d still be happy.
Ill say it now SPOON is gonna be better than McClain
If we could trade down and pick up spoon, cody, allen, OT, and danario alexander, i would be VERRY pleased!!!!
Moving from 24 to 5 is too expensive in trade value
for that to happen
Good to see they are looking though
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
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