Three Chiefs Sign Their Tenders; Still Waiting On Page, Mays
by Joel Thorman on Apr 15, 2010 3:45 PM CDT
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PrintJosh Looney of KCChiefs.com reports three Kansas City Chiefs signed their restricted free agent tenders today.
The big three are QB Brodie Croyle, C Rudy Niswanger and OT Ryan O'Callaghan. This basically means that they've signed one-year deals with the team.
Make the jump for some good avoiding-work material.
Earlier today, Mr. Looney said there's "no doubt" in his mind that Croyle will be back in 2010. He's likely the only one of those three that could've drawn some interest from other teams.
Two Chiefs have yet to sign their tenders -- S Jarrad Page and LB Corey Mays.
As Josh points out in his article, an unsigned tender is no cause for concern at this point. Over half of the offers around the league have yet to be signed.
After today, Page and Mays will no longer be able to negotiate with other teams. At this point, they can sign with the Chiefs, negotiate a new contract with the Chiefs or not play.
Josh explains the RFA process a little more including the next key date:
For those a bit confused with the RFA process, the next deadline to pay attention to is June 15th. RFA's who don't sign their tender by June 15th could see their 2010 salary reduced from their tendered amount to 110 percent of their 2009 salary. The June 15th deadline also means that RFA's could skip most of the off-season program without facing penalty.
So we'll mark June 15th on the calendar but if past history is any indication, the tenders should be signed by then.
(H/T ChiefMizzou09 and Larryemcdaniel)
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If you base this hit as a good player I feel sorry
I said we can do without him. He could be a good SP and backup. Mays is not a very good ILB.
I think Mays is better than DeMorrio Williams
But I STILL don’t think he should be a starter. He could be a good backup in certain situations (He kicks ass in Goaline situations… Ask LT)
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
That was a pretty awesome tackle on Favre though
He never saw it coming and it was a “You should’ve stayed retired” sort of tackle.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
the fact that Farve went up in the air above him to relese the pass tells me he saw it comming.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Yep, I think Favre sees just about everything coming..... except his retirement.
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Draft him for the children people!
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Shortest comment in Texas Chief's history
by Joel Thorman on Apr 15, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
2nd shortest, I already showed my displeasure with him below.
I think someone may have hacked his computer. I’m getting kinda worried.
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Draft him for the children people!
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Mays is still a young player and does have some upside.
With that said, I agree that he shouldn’t be a starter. I disagree about him being better than Williams. DW isn’t flashy but is a fairly solid role player. Pretty sure tackler and seems to be in position most of the time.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 15, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
How in the hell can you say Mays is better than Demorrio?
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Draft him for the children people!
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I agree!
I would much have a slower, sure tackler like Demorrio. He’s not flashy but he’s usually in the right place and wraps up.
Mays is a straight on tackler who misses if the ball carrier makes the slightest “juke” (and I use juke very loosely!!!)
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
Demorrio is NOT slow.
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
Yeah but he's not fast
I just agreed with you and you’re still pissed!
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
Demorrio looks like he's running in slow motion trying to run down RBs
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
I was merely saying....
He’s a much better all around player than Mays. Mays can’t tackle anyone who moves.
Demorrio is a solid ILB in the 3/4 IMO
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
Demorrio ran a 4.55 40 at the combine, he is pretty fast for a LB.
And I’m not pissed at you or anyone for that matter, I’m glad you agree. Williams had 117 tackles last year…. to lead the team, what else could anyone ask from him?
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
that he would have knocked LJ out in the Bengals game :)
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
At the combine....
How many years ago was that?
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
Yeah i was gonna say the same thing.
Williams shows as much or more hustle than any guy on this team. I hope he ends his career with the Chiefs. Not to mention he lead the team in Tackles. Now i will say Mays isnt a bad LB he just needs more focus IMO. but that comes with time an playing behind a guy like Vrabel an Williams will help. IF Andy Studebaker can improve an if Mays can improve a weakness at the LB position could become a strength. Hali/ Studebaker/ Vrabel/ Mays/ Williams/ Johnson sounds pretty good. But i think it could be a pipe dream an we got all we can outa Mays an Johnson. thats as good as they gonna get. so maybe trading down with the browns an getting LB is a good idea. haha sorry that was all over the place
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Apr 15, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And the team.
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Draft him for the children people!
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Must be easy when you play MLB and our D-line couldn't stop a RB from hitting the 2nd level
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
Well..
I don’t think he is a starter but I still like him. I’d like him back for 1.) Competition, 2.) To see how does under our new DC and 3.) To see him lay this hit on Brady Quinn.
by Spiderwomn69 on Apr 15, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree. Comeon now. Being a homer is one thing. But being realistic is another.
Mays is worthless. He could be a serviceable (there’s that word again) backup perhaps and nothing more. Unless Crennel himself can perform miracles.
How is a player both “worthless” and a “serviceable backup” at the same time?
And if I were Corey Mays I’d have that picture made in to a big ass poster.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
He should submit it to Fathead. All the Favre haters would gobble that up.
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
I’d buy one and I don’t even dislike Favre that much.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
My father-in-law LOVES Favre....
….I think I need to get a graphics shop to wrap my Yukon with it so I can see the look on his face when I come rollin’ up. Priceless.
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
I'll have to wait until after this season to base judgement on anyone at this point.
Mays may turn out to be one of our best players on defense with a little help from R.Crennel. I like his aggressive play, just need to get the mental part of the game down now.
he's
not bad by any means he might not be a superstar but he’s a solid player . and he fills a spot for lil money, the guy is a worker and with the team starting to get better he will too.there’s no reason to cut him even if they don’t like him as a starter. he could be a very good sp teams guy. and a very good back up
Get Real!
Mays is worth a lot to us unless we plan on drafting McClain. It’s not like there is much depth on this team for ILB or many otherTeams for that matter.
Yes, Mays can solidify our position as the 31st ranked defense agaisnt the run! We can't afford to lose him
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
TC are you feeling okay? You're using sarcasm now? Where is my long substance filled explanation about why Mays needs replaced.... I'm kinda disappointed. ( ;
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
At this point....long substance ridden explinations
….are no match for “But Berry is a playmaker, just look what he did in college”
I made a giant post looking back at 20 years of history specifically to show what the actual needs are for the team. It was filled with logic and explination. It received praise. It was front paged, and not one single person disagreed with the logic that stopping the run, balancing the offense, and creating sacks were the keys to rebuilding a terrible defense.
1.5 months later we’re right back where we’ve been for the last 8 years…talking about a flashy playmaker and fixing the run defense sometime later in the draft, because there is so much talent to be had. I give. I’m just going to let the Berry hype wash over me and choke me out until after draft day.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 15, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Berry’s a once in a generation talent, though.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Except for Aaron Curry, Glenn Dorsey, Reggie Bush, etc…
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Curry's had one year
Dorsey hasn’t been playing poorly and was in a new position last year, and nobody ever took the time to figure out how to use Bush properly. He wasn’t a great RB in college, he was a great weapon. In the pros, they’ve tried to force him to be a traditional RB, which he never was.
Also, they've all played different positions
It’s true that it seems every draft has that “once in a generation” player. It’s partly hype and partly excitement about one particular player at one position. And sometimes they do live up to the hype.
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. My point was that every year there is a “once in a generation” player. This year it happens to be Eric Berry. Wasn’t saying any of those guys were busts, just that people get a little excited about one player every year around this time.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Hahahaha! I hear ya. That said, WE NEED DEZ BRYANT!!!!!
You could always join the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club (for the children). Membership is free and you don’t have to sell your self to the Devil… and by Devil I mean Eric Berry.
+DB1
Founding member of the Dez Bryant in a Chiefs Uniform Fan Club.
Draft him for the children people!
BigRedChief - the sacred skull of the Bryant Branch of the congregation. - upamtn.
You gotta real argument or is that just crap flowing from your mouth?
I actually love the sarcasm since the dude who initated it has no clue that it takes a defense and not a player to stop the run. Corey is versatile. He’s a good Special teamer and he may not play good coverage but he is better against the run than Johnson is. He also came in and started and did not look lost. He’s also a bargain. he may not be as good as we like but the guy plays a nice role on this team. So, who you gonna pick up at $1/2 Mill who fills that role?
by Sloehandman on Apr 15, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow , seriously?
Just crap flowing from my mouth huh? – I would suggest clicking my username and actually reading anything that I write, but I’m sure you wont.
You want my arguement. Mays was indispencible as the ILB run stuffer that led the 2099 Chiefs to the glory that is giving up 2500+ yards on the ground. Mays is out of position so often against the run that it’s easier to count the times he was in position then those when he screwed up. Mays overpursues EVERYTHING. He gets beat to ever loving death by the cut back runners because he doesn’t stay in position. Mays reacts to a play action pump fake with as much ferver as my grandmother would to watching 2 girls 1 cup. Mays is a TERRIBLE run stuffing ILB, but luckily that doens’t paly very good coverage either.
Mays would be luck to be a back up on any other team. Romeo Crennel is going to have to shit fairy dust and hire Harry Potter to turn this kind into a premire run stuffer.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 16, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, seriously.
That’s more like it. You brought some game. I do not agree that Mays is a poor Run stuffer. Most of the problem with the run lies with our NT, not our LB. Edwards does not demand the double teams that make a 3-4 work. Corey’s special teams work proves he is a sure tackler in space and most of his tackles last year were of the unassisted variety. The whole LB corps would prosper with the addition of a decent NT. Corey is also only 26 and had limited playing time since his ND days. Another year in the 3-4 under Romeo may make more of a difference.
I’m not saying Mayes should be a starter! I’m saying he’s a good role player to keep around AT THIS TIME. In another year or 2 that may change as this team gets better. Now is not the time.
BTW "The dude that started it" played ILB/MLB through HS and College and a short stint in semi's
I’ll be happy to match my defensive scheme knowledge up agaisnt yours any time you’d like.
the dude who initated it has no clue that it takes a defense and not a player to stop the run.
I’m amused…. really….. I’m amused. The inside run in a 34 defense is stopped primarily by the ‘run triangle’.
In case you don’t know…the run triangle is the imaginary triangle of field space the has it’s corners anchored on the NT and the 2 ILB’s.
Further, in most (not all) 34d’s the 2 ILB are complimentary players. You have one guy who’s skill set lends itself to spying the QB, making plays on the ball, and covering in the shallows…..and you stand him next to a guy whose skill set lends itself to plugging the gaps, getting off blocks, hitting / tackling, and crushing the pocket (IE pressure in the backfield).
DJ is the first guy I mentioned. DJ cannot get in the game because we do not have a run stuffing ILB. Because the Chiefs don’t have anyone stout against the run (and DJ is weak against it) we have to play 2 guys that are mediocre agaisnt the run at best, and below average in shallows coverage with almost no ‘big play’ ability. If we had a 1/2way decent run player at ILB then we could COMPLIMENT him with DJ as the QB spy/ play maker / coverage guy.
If we want to improve on overall TEAM defense then we’re going to have to use the people on the team for what they are best at doing. DJ is best at being the spy. However, until we have a run stuffer to put alongside him he will continue to sit on the bench. You can’t use 2 complimentary ILB’s unless you have both pieces. If you don’t have the second piece, then the first piece becomes a liability.
So, having said that……an ILB run stuffer would allow us to put DJ on the field as a playmaker and vastly improve our overall run defense, as well as team defense.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 16, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
and that how you debate!
rec’d Texas Chief
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
A debate presents a solution. I fail to see your solution.
I’ll give you some time. You scour the net and find a combo Special Teams guy and ILB at $500,000 a year we could pick up that is a significant upgrade to Mays . Corey is only 26 and is getting a better as he has had little pro playing time before his arrival in KC. Surely there are ILB’s falling off trees out there we can get such a bargain for. Surely among those countless ILB’s there will be numerous ones who are willing to play good Special Teams and have a good Team attitude. Jeez, I forgot the draft!. There must be 5 or 10 NFL ready ILB ready to come in and play now. Mel’s gotta be wrong about since he said McCalin is the only NFL ready guy out there. These guys are a dime a dozen. I can’t wait for the long list of bargain replacements you provide.
im not looking for a bargain, you are
I’m looking for an ILB run stuffer.
And I don’t care what they cost.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 16, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Here, this will be easier.
Mays is worth a lot to us unless we plan on drafting McClain.
You said it.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 16, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
If we draft McClain...
Then my argument are moot and Mays is expendable. I’ll hold to that.
by Sloehandman on Apr 16, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Debate's don't offer a solution, btw
Debate – 4 dictionary results
de·bate /dɪˈbeɪt/ Show Spelled [dih-beyt] Show IPA noun, verb,-bat·ed, -bat·ing.
–noun
1.a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
2.a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
3.deliberation; consideration.
4.Archaic. strife; contention
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 16, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks TC
Love hearing REAL football stuff from someone who has been there done that and knows his stuff. I love to watch, but have to say I’m really pretty ignorant of exactly how the pieces fit. All I can tell is it hasn’t been working very well!
RECd
OK...the Koolaid buzz is gone now. I'm forced to admit that the state of the team had deteriorated far beyond what I had realized. The good news is I get to start mixing up a fresh batch of koolaid for next year. Oh Yeah!
by Texas Chief
Just like #58 Mr.Derrick Thomas ; Alabama ILB is our man @#5 Thursday !
by 65tosspowertrap on Apr 16, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
You make the point but fail to tie it in.
If all you AP regulars are so down on Corey Mays, then why did this post?
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/26/1102461/kansas-city-chiefs-linebacker
He seemed to be a good run stuffer here.
You make the point that part of the 3 is the NT. What you fail to do is present the point that the NT is the MOST IMPORTANT piece of this puzzle. Your also trying to make your point using the analogy of Mays as a starter. I have never said that but you seem to be fixated on it. You also keep alluding to the fact that all of our LB’s should be a starting caliber LB which Mays is not. He is a good role player, which we need.
I am thinking in terms of a Team. Too much here at AP wants a collection of Pro Bowlers. So in ending, I’[m still waiting on who you would pick up at $500,000 to play Special Teams and provide depth at ILB. I don’t see any upgrades out there.
dude, did you just sign up for AP today?
Seriously… spend some time perusing the posts.
I’ve made absolutely NO secrect to the fact that I believe NT is the #1 need for our D. I’ve said it over and over and over again. You’re arguing with a brick wall here.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 16, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Mays is terrible as a run stuffer. Therefore, I don'yt need to replace him as a run stuffer, because he isn't one
All I’d need to replace is the special teams player. Special teams players for 500,000 are not that hard to find. In fact, without looking at a single player… Boomer Grigbsy (you know, the guy who’s spot Mays took) was a hell of a special teams player. A LB (that wasn’t very good at stopping the run) that was converted to FB because he wasn’t an NFL caliber LB (imo). Sound familiar?
As to your picture link….1 play. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Flip the stat page back to run yards allowed, then flip it to middle runs allowed. Then cry yourself to sleep thinking about going into 2010 with Mays/Williams stuffing the run again.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 16, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
No, they are not.
Special Teams AND ILB. Grigsby is poor example. Mays is better than that and he is better than most (with some future upside) at that that price. Money changes everything in this argument. If the Chiefs plan on spending it or drafting it, then my argument is moot. If they do not, then sign Mays back to fill the role.
If the Chiefs do not draft McClain or a ILB in the first 3 rounds (which is iffy) then you get a guy who is not an upgrade or a Rookie that will need time. Again, my point is that Corey plays a good role on the team and is valuable in our current situation. I love all the dreaming on this Blog but I’m a realist.
by Sloehandman on Apr 16, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Realist or not, I completely disagree with you
…specifically because….
Mays is better than that and he is better than most (with some future upside) at that that price.
I haven’t seen that. I don’t buy that. And I don’t agree with that statement.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Fixed that for you
Again, my point is that Corey plays agoodrole on the team and is valuablein our current situationas a special teams player only, because he sucks at stuffing the run.
He played a roll. I agree with that. It was a lousy roll, but it was a roll. And if our goal is to keep ‘our current situation’ then the problem is our goal. Our current situation is that of a defense that cannot stop the run. Why would we want our future goal to be keeping our current situation, rather than imporving it? Our current situation is that we SUCK at defending the run. And you are 100% right, Mays plays a valuable role in that current situation.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Not sure why they haven't signed
It is not like they have better options out there.
by Nick Britt
Does skipping most of the off-season program without penalty ring a bell ?
by 65tosspowertrap on Apr 15, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd equate that to basically sealing
their tickets out of town after this season.
part of the ‘right 53’ is being hungry for football. if page and mays doesn’t have an appetite similar to mt. cody’s, only for football, then they don’t seem to fit in KC’s plans.
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Apr 15, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I see a bunch of people underestimating how valuable Mays can be to us.
Definitely need to resign this guy. He is one of Pioli’s “right 53”. He may not be a starter, but he will make a very good backup.
The main thing we need him for is Special Teams. The guy was a pretty darn good gunner if I remember right. Definitely need to resign him.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Apr 15, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions
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