Chiefs DE Glenn Dorsey Viewed As NFL Draft Cautionary Tale
When the Kansas City Chiefs used the fifth overall pick in the 2008 NFL draft on LSU DE Glenn Dorsey, a lot of folks were excited around town. Dorsey was called by quite a few NFL analysts as the best and safest player in the draft. For the Chiefs, they finally got their defensive lineman after years (and years...and years) of trying.
Fast forward two years later and Dorsey isn't heard from very often.
Does that mean he's doing a bad job? No, not at all. In fact, I'd argue that he was one of the positives to come out of the 2009 season. A 3-4 defensive end shouldn't necessarily be heard from that often. Their job is to take up blockers to provide rushing lanes for the linebackers. It's not necessarily to create sacks (although that would be a pleasant byproduct).
However, the national media is viewing it differently.
To them, Dorsey is a cautionary tale on drafting defensive lineman high in the draft. Here's an article from the Detroit Free Press quoting Jon Gruden:
Jon Gruden brought up a few names. One was Dewayne Robertson, whom the Jets drafted fourth overall in 2003. Another was Glenn Dorsey, whom the Chiefs drafted fifth overall in '08.
"I don't think people have seen or heard from Glenn
Dorsey ," Gruden said today in a media conference call.
Gruden's broader point was that teams should be careful of labeling defensive linemen as "can't miss" but I thought this was an interesting look at what the position change has done for Dorsey's perception.
Even though I think most of us would agree he's a solid player, the 'un-sexy' position of a 3-4 defensive end has caused folks to virtually forget he was in the league.
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I wish these analyst would do research and watch tape before judging
Dorsey isn’t a bust, and he is doing his job very well. He is a stout defender. Switching from a 43 to a 34 has changed his playing style. People need to realize that before commenting on him.
by Larryemcdaniel on Apr 13, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think he was our best defensive lineman last season. Just look what happened when he was injured against buffalo and especially when he missed the browns game!
Put some better talent around him
and you’ll be hearing from him in no time.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 13, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions
I think if we had a good-great NT
Dorsey would beast! This guy can play the run. i’ve seen it time and time again. Holds his point against a double team, sheds a blocker and stuffs the run. With a NT who requires a double team, that leaves Dorsey single covered. With his motor, power, and leverage, Dorsey will eat his defender alive.
by Larryemcdaniel on Apr 13, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
coming from a steelers fan who has watched the 3-4 for some time
defensive ends will never get the credit they deserve unless they are sacking the quarterback. aaron smith is one of the best defensive ends in the league, but rarely gets recognized for his play because of his position in the 3-4 defense, even though our defense was one of the best in recent years with him and went completely down the drain the last 2 times he got injured. I can see Dorsey turning into this kind of player for the Chiefs, especially with the strides he made in the first year in the new system last year. like UKchief said, he was really missed in that Browns game…. (i live in missouri and my brother is a chiefs fan, so i basically watched every chiefs game this year)
by Jason Brynsvold on Apr 13, 2010 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They are right...
Nobody is calling Dorsey one of the best linemen in the league as was widely expected of him. He gets blown up at the line of scrimmage often, and overall is pretty underwhelming so far, IMO…and apparently I’m not the only one.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Apr 13, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions
If we were in a 4-3
I bet he’d be turin’ heads all over the place this year.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
I think that it's a position overlooked...
I mean, there are a few exceptions like Richard Seymour. But would he have been as effective in New England had Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren not been there? Seymour is by no means a sack beast, but will crumble the hold of half the o-line and that’s why he is recognized. Glenn Dorsey will continue to get better and I bet Gruden will be reminded of him soon.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
Hopefully...
we can have a Pleasant byproduct of a sack master Dorsey this season. Get it?
Call me Red or IBR for short
by I_Bleed_Red. on Apr 13, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ya Know
Jon Gruden is just about the biggest waste of space working for ESPN right now(besides Herm). Gruden rode alot of coat tails to his previous successes. He is also an offensive minded coach. For him to start passing out ‘this guys a bust’ cards for defensive linemen is a bit like Dan Fouts making fun of merlin olsen. Let’s give the comment about as much thought as Gruden did before he said it.
by Aiken_Drum on Apr 13, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Gruden is offensive.
OK...the Koolaid buzz is gone now. I'm forced to admit that the state of the team had deteriorated far beyond what I had realized. The good news is I get to start mixing up a fresh batch of koolaid for next year. Oh Yeah!
what tells me that dorsey cant be labeled a bust yet
is that we havent traded him away…he obviously is a pioli-haley type of player, and fits this system otherwise IMO he would’ve packed his bags with tank tyler.
dorsey will excel in this defense just needs some time. he came into this D when we were terrible and last year we werent much better but even so, with a year under his belt in his 2nd year he made major improvements from his first year. this year he will get better as well. and now that we have our coaching staff set in place…look for him to excel.
This 2010 OL class is too deep to take Bryan "T-Rex" Bulaga 5th overall, which is why we will draft Berry...not only will it be the better pick but it will sell jerseys. I mean let's be real, no one is going to buy a Bulaga jersey.
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This.
We could have gotten a 1st or 2nd round pick for him when Pioli came into town. Atlanta and a few other teams were interested. He came into the league as a 4-3 DT. That’s his ideal position and that’s what he is built for. I think he is doing okay after just one year in a completely different defensive scheme.
Snap the f*cking ball, Brodie.
by scottbwalters on Apr 13, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Typical media analysis.
Dorsey is a top 5 pick, and the
Chiefs still have crappy defense,
therefor Dorsey is a bust.
Nice work gruden.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
I don't think he's a bust
Like it’s been stated before on his transition from a 4-3 to a 3-4 he was getting used to the new style of play. He’s now got a year under his belt in the 3-4. I know that the new training style, weight and conditioning program and coaching of Crennel will only help him improve his play and I really believe we will see a even better Glenn Dorsey on the field this year.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
How much 2009 KC video do you suppose Gruden watched?
Sounds look good bulletin board material for Glen Dorsey to prove Gruden wrong. I hope he does.
Listen, when we get a nose tackle and a decent
safety, Dorsey, Jackson, and possibly even McGee are going to be heard from. These are young guys. Am I the only one who remembers the “nasty” Dorsey displayed as an LSU Tiger? It will happen again, mark my words.
"The Hammer"
Can't buy Gruden's logic...
You havn’t heard much about Tyson Jackson either.
Everyone knows it takes 2 to 3 years for those guys to truly develop into something special.
Throw a transition to the 3/4 into the mix, and what does he expect?
Add in also, that the 3rd piece of the puzzle, having a franchise NT, was missing for both years, and what you have is a PRE-JUDGEMENT on the part of Gruden.
I wanna see Dorsey, Williams or Cody, and Jackson, together for a full year, then tell me what you think.
I’m sure Scott Pioli, is thinking the same way. Draft success is not judged for at least 2 years after the fact when it comes to DT’s.
So go piss up a rope, Mr. Gruden.
"U can't change my WILL".
Many people just dont understand the 3-4. If a DL is not getting sacks, then he is not good.
Dorsey could keep doing exactly what he’s doing, but if we start winning and having a lot of defensive success, then he will get his recognition. Of course he
Other big factors.....age and experience. These guys are not even fully developed
when they first come into the NFL. That why we’re always saying it takes a few years. There is a lot of difference between 22-24 and 25-28 in both strength and technique and experience. He and Jackson will be showing improvement year by year.
Er...
D-Line. Takes a few years to evaluate. Two years in the league. Two positions. May as well been a rookie. No talent around him. Again, a few years to evaluate.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
PS – Herm Edwards. Club Med. Seriously?
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Gruden point is true...
…Dorsey was the #4 pick, he was supposed to be dominant. He is not.
mmmm...that is kind of up for debate honestly...
he came into the league as a 4-3 DT, now hes a 3-4 end…neither set had a DT that was better than dorsey.
few expect instant production from a DL no matter where you pick him. Dorsey gets a mulligan because of the position switch/coach change.
that is why the LB pick of mcclain would make sense…he will make an instant impact( I KNOW, CURRY DIDNT MAKE A IMPACT, but I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT AN OLB THAT HAS NO PASS RUSH SKILLS)
we need an instant impact so that the fan base can get a little bit more confident in pioli.
Team Pioli/Haley
I would argue that Dorsey's first year as a 3-4 DE was just as good as some of the greats at that position minus the sacks.
Compare his numbers to Richard Seymour’s. Minus the sacks they are about identical. If you put some players around him so he wouldn’t get double teamed as much and those numbers could get even better.
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Dorsey was supposed to be dominant in a 4/3. We asked him to totally change his game and gave him 1 training camp to do it. This is a ridiculous assessment imo. Gruden is just plain wrong on this issue.
"U can't change my WILL". 1. Dan Williams, NT, 2a. Nate Allen, FS, 2b. Jerry Hughes, OLB, 3. Vladimir Duccasse, OT, 4. Kyle Calloway, OT, 5a. Jordan Shipley, WR, 5b. George Selvie, DE/OLB, 5c. Sam Young, OT
Brandon Graham anyone?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
I'll take one...it'll go good with the other Brandons we've got on roster
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 14, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait you mean its not a good idea to draft
an undersized player in the most physically demanding position in football… Weird.
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
Gruden is right, sort of.
He is right that Dorsey has not been heard from. Is that a bad thing? No, if you hear from a lineman from either side of the football, it is for the wrong reasons. In the trenches, the only time you want to hear a player’s name is when he is being announced in the starting lineup, or has is being announced to the Pro Bowl. If anything, it is a huge plus that we heard from Glenn Dorsey. Means he is doing his job.
Dorsey hasn't been too good
But the switch to 3 4 was tough for him
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Gruden?...the same Gruden who released Warren Sapp? Gruden is and will always be a SMUCK!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
He makes one of the dumbest face on game day....some call it a scowl, I say its just stupid!
Makes you either want to pinch his cheeks in laughter, or just flat out slap him across the face!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 14, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't it Curious........
On PFF’s rankings—whether you agree with them or not, isn’t it curious that 3 of the 4 or 5 teams that absolutely have to draft a NT have their 3/4 DE’s ranked at the bottom of this list.
You guys are nuts...
…if Dorsey played for ANYBODY else you’d call him at least a disappointment if not a bust. I’m not calling him a bust but he is no better than a C level DE. He might could be a B level or better 3-tech DT. He needs to be traded for the team AND himself. And I don’t want to hear about how many D-linemen they’ve drafted, if Pioli cared about past drafts he would not have flushed Tank and Tyler. Not to mention Boone was the best 3-4 DE they had and he axed him. He worked for SD. Pioli is building his team.
i think you grade him a little tough… he will probably not be a pro bowl type of DE but i think he will be a solid starter for years to come… i think gruden was referring to the fact that everyone thought dorsey was going to be an impact player from day 1… unfortunately we all know this is about opposite from the truth… granted there was the position change as well as the philosophical change, which most players do not adjust well to… but he did not live up to expectations…
new draft wishlist 041410:
1. eric berry fs 2. ricky sapp olb 2. john jerry og
3. dexter mccluster wr 4. linval joseph nt
5. clayton harbor fb/te 5. jamar chaney ilb 5. myron rolle ss
Alfonso Boone is not a 3-4 DE
He can’t stay on his feet and that’s why they cut him. He worked for SD because he was only covering one gap.
C'mon Frank.
Sorry, but this is a riduculous assessment of a Dorsey who’s been trying to play without a franchise NT to back him up. Reevaluate him after Dan Williams arrives.
"U can't change my WILL". 1. Dan Williams, NT, 2a. Nate Allen, FS, 2b. Jerry Hughes, OLB, 3. Vladimir Duccasse, OT, 4. Kyle Calloway, OT, 5a. Jordan Shipley, WR, 5b. George Selvie, DE/OLB, 5c. Sam Young, OT
Why would we go after either of them....when
we signed Shaun Smith, and have just picked Dan Williams at number 5? We don’t need that much depth.
"U can't change my WILL". 1. Dan Williams, NT, 2a. Nate Allen, FS, 2b. Jerry Hughes, OLB, 3. Vladimir Duccasse, OT, 4. Kyle Calloway, OT, 5a. Jordan Shipley, WR, 5b. George Selvie, DE/OLB, 5c. Sam Young, OT

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