Breaking down the TJ deal
It seems like everyone approves of the Thomas Jones to KC deal. Scout Inc.'s Matt Williamson gives his take on the Chiefs' latest move.
"I love it. He is not an elite player, but he still has something left. He really will help young running back Jamaal Charles. The Chiefs don’t have a great line and they aren’t going to win the Super Bowl this year, so it doesn’t make sense to give Charles the ball 25 times. Now, he can be given the ball 15 times and extend his career. This move will also help Charles watch Jones and learn how to become a pro. Jones is a good blocker who understands the passing game. He will help Matt Cassel. This is a great move."
I tend to agree with Mr. Williamson, this was a great move for KC!
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I agree
I like the player, I like the price, I like the contract length. This is a good deal from pretty much every perspective.
talk about a change in mentors
from larry johnson to thomas jones. I know he’s 31 and our line is not close to the line he ran behind for the jets, but I just use that to temper my excitement about this move. just one less piece to address in the draft.
very true
MAYBE this means there will be MORE OL focus in the draft/trades/FA…
the skill players are looking better and better, at least on offense
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
nah the major needs are still there
SS, NT, LB before O-line
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
The major needs will indeed still be there
but prior to this signing (and maybe still, but less likely) we would have taken a Big RB around the middle of the draft, like with our 4th rd pick. I would rather us take an interior lineman, NT, WR, or DB in that spot.
by jakethesnake27 on Mar 10, 2010 6:44 AM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs could have a pretty good line
Draft Russell Okung and pick up a free-agent or late-round center and our OL is…
LT: R. Okung
LG: B. Albert
C: TBD
RG: B. Waters
RT: R. O’Callaghan
That’s not a terribly crappy lineup.
not bad
but…
Albert, Waters, Rookie, Ndukwe, O’Callaghan looks just as good to me…
AND, you could have Berry, McClain or Williams back there on defense as well!
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
I don't think Albert is destined to be an LT
and Ndukwe didn’t impress me at all. If we draft an LT we’re really improving two positions on the line because Albert can move to his natural position.
i thinks you underestimate BA
if BA’s natural position was guard, then he would never have been able to adjust to his new weight and blocking scheme the way he did. sure the beginning of the year was ruff, but it’s not surprising when you think of the drastic game changes he had to make. but with all that he still locked down that LT spot in the latter half of the season. especially in Dec.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
I don't think Okung will be there when we draft either
If it’s not Berry, I think’s it’s possible Pioli reaches for Dan Wiliams. I don’t know if he’ll want McClain that high as an ILB but NT seems to be more suited for a reach. Plus Pioli loves drafting D-linemen high.
Chiefs draft wishlist:
Berry, then a combo of BPA and NEED
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Mar 9, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
3 things
1. Albert is a legit LT.
2. Ndukwe is on the roster is no bigger risk than a draft pick and does not cost one.
3. Either Berry or McClain will be there at #5 and either one will have a huge impact on this team.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
1. I don’t disagree that Albert can play LT, I just don’t think he’ll ever be great at it. LT is maybe the 2nd most import position after QB, we shouldn’t be accepting mediocrity.
2. Ndukwe is not a risk, but he’s not an improvement, either.
3. I agree that one of those will be available (probably McClain), and while I wouldn’t mind having either of those players on the Chiefs, I think that Okung would have a bigger impact (since the Chiefs are obviously going to be a running-focused team next year).
You can't pay 1st round money to LT's 2 out of 3 years.
Albert isn’t the problem. There are others that can be upgraded in later rounds potentially.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
not sure we did pay LT money for Albert
He was drafted #15 right? I don’t think we broke the bank to pay him. Iuputi will get drafted in similar position this year and make more.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Mar 9, 2010 10:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
not sure we did pay LT money for Albert
He was drafted #15 right? I don’t think we broke the bank to pay him. Iuputi will get drafted in similar position this year and make more.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Mar 9, 2010 10:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So Cassell will be more of the game management QB?
I really can’t see Haley settling for that.
I think he will force Cassel into that game-changer QB mold or look elsewhere
for it. Cassel will determine wheter we are hunting QB in 2011 or not.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
The Chiefs will be looking for a new head coach before they will go out and look for new QB
by NFL season ticket holder on Mar 9, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
The money paid isn't the issue
most QB’s are soon to be in the Cassel price-range.
Brady and Payton are up for new contracts next year I think.
Wonder what those contract numbers will be?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
then i guess cassel is here to stay
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
I really see Weis being the one molding Cassel
into a greater QB. We’re going to be a balanced offense using runs and play-action passing. Hopefully Matt can work on his accuracy and rapport with his receivers this offseason. Not to mention a much improved deep ball.
Chiefs draft wishlist:
Berry, then a combo of BPA and NEED
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Mar 9, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Butt at some point the QB has to rise to the occasion
A conference championship or a Super Bowl the QB has to WIN those games. Ask Kray :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
I still blame alot of MC's luke warm production on the WR's.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
That's why we need to find a play maker. Is that Brandon Marshall? TO?
Someone defenses have to prepare for and fear.
by NFL season ticket holder on Mar 9, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yes and on Cassel too, and of course the O-line and the scheme and the coaching changes too
IMO that a lot of that will remain be settled in the 2010 season and Pioli/Haley/Weis will evaluate Cassel with not a lot of changes game to game. A Science experiment needs most of the variables to stay the same to get a decent result.
Matt “Lab Rat” Cassel is about to get his Maze to prove himself in :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
You think cvigz? How do you think Albert will never be great????
My goodness people! You have absolutely no idea.
Answer: we don’t know how good Albert will be… he’s what? 25? C’mon…at any one time there are different guys at different levels of development. Some are hugely successful right out of College, some take 4-5 years to develop into something great…some take 7-8 years to get their opportunity and maximize it. Some simply stink their whole career and never excel at all.
But you really have no idea who will be great and who won’t.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think we need to focus on the interior part of the line now
at least give Albert one more year. I think he’s fine at tackle and one more year under the system should show all the doubters that he’s a perfectly capable left tackle. Need to draft at least a C, probably another G as well. I want Berry at 5. He has the ability to be the next great safety.
Chiefs draft wishlist:
Berry, then a combo of BPA and NEED
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Mar 9, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said
I agree that Albert is “fine” at LT. If the Chiefs keep him at LT, I won’t have a problem with it. I’m just saying that there are better options available. We have an opportunity to upgrade at one of the most important positions in the game, and it would be foolish to pass it by.
Yes but,
then we wasted a first round pick on a guard two years ago which for me, negates the positives of moving him inside.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
At least we didn't spend the pick on
Darrius Heyward-Bey or Vernon Gholston or some shit. Albert could be a SOLID interior lineman for decades. That’s hardly a wasted pick.
Albert was picked after Gholston and he wasnt even in the same draft as DHB.
Starting NFL LG’s can be found after round 2, Albert was pick 15 in round 1 and players such as Joe Flacco Sam Baker Jeff Otah were availible with that pick. Who i would much have preferred to pick than a LG. So in the sense, yes it is a wasted pick.
With all that said, I like Albert at LT and think we should draft a C in round 2 and look for a guard in round 3 or 4.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Having to move the 15th overall to OG
Could be alot worse. I think you guys should pick a OT too. Its one of the few positions thats hard to miss. No irony intended.
I agree it could be worse
but Albert came along nicely towards the end of the year. Hell, he shut down Dumervill in the last game of the season. I cant understand why anybody would want to move him. The only LT that MIGHT be better than Albert in this draft is Okung and i dont think he will be there at 5.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
maybe not but you still don't draft a OT
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
but...
I think this combo looks better
Albert, Waters, WOOKIE, Ndukwe, O’Callaghan
C’mon Chewbacca!
image source
by Ochophosphate on Mar 9, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
hahaha...nice
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
and he's a lefty at that!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think they will be going Berry if he is on the board.
Though I like your lineup and approve, I think they can get Zane Beadles OG, Utah for LG, Move Waters to center, and Kyle Calloway, OT Iowa in the 4th for RG. Everyone says Calloway is excellent at pulling and Guard could be calling in the NFL
by NFL season ticket holder on Mar 9, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
so many possibilites we could do..
LT: albert
LG: lilja
C: J.D Walton
RG: waters
RT: O’call
yup sounds good
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
what about
Colin Brown don’t forget about him!!
I LOVE MY CHIEFS
by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
if Brown can start...
forget lilja, keep waters at LG… draft Walton
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
IF
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
I think the chances are better...
That Brown doesn’t make the team then starts.
And I don’t think it’s very close.
The Chiefs don’t have a great line and they aren’t going to win the Super Bowl this year,
never count anyone out!
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
Here is to hoping he jinxed us and now we go on to win the big game!
Toby Gerhart: The Thunder to Jamaal Charles' Lightning.
True and Valuable Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
(which for the most part we are currently loosing).
I like the move. Veterens teaching young players how to work/practice/study/play like a champion. be champions
Tough times never last, but tough people do.
by MadMartigan816 on Mar 9, 2010 9:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Solid pickup
He should pick up at least one blitz a game, that would have otherwise possibly resulted in Cassel’s admittance to the hospital.
Good catching the ball too. Nice move by the Chiefs.
Everyone except
Judge on sportsline. That guy is an idiot.
Yeah but when your closest colleague is Pete Prisco
…you look like a genius.
Is it me, or does this move
look an awful lot like a Patriots move? Finding some value in free agency for a guy with a few extra miles to backup/spell a younger, growing starter?
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belichick must be feeling bad for scotty boy
maybe he’s giving some pity tips this year.
Yea im sure he gave Pioli some pity tips this year
because i highly doubt Pioli learned anything through out his career. Come on man, don’t let your hate for Pioli and crew blind you.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
I'm surprised by Williamson's words...
He is not an elite player, but he still has something left.
Who is he kidding? If anyone thinks TJ is not an elite player, all they have to do is ask Jet’s fans everywhere.
Tweet me @GiftNate
N. Gift
by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:24 PM CST reply actions
Elite players don't sign for 2 years, $5 mil
Still, he’s a damn good one, and a bargain.
Let’s not nit-pick that line and complain about BW loving the signing.
WOOOOOOOOOO!
This comment is # 5000 on AP for me! Haaaaaahahahaha!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Mar 9, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Congrats Buck :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Steve
wipes spam from eye… lol
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
awesome!
Funny thing is, I coincidentally made my 3000 comment today — but it was unwittingly done over at Gang Green Nation chatting about TJ!
You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
Really? I went over there too.
They were kind of mean when talking about the Chiefs. I let them know I was there and they were pretty cool after that.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
We were both over there
They’re cool enough to have a beer with.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
TJ does not need blockers
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I agree with jakethesnake
From LJ, Mr. 2.7 to TJ, Mr. Play me Run Me has got to be amazing for Charles. I can’t wait to see ‘Crash and Burn’ in action this year. I can only hope for NYG numbers (1000+yds from both runners)
I typically hate williamson as an AFCW blogger, but I feel like he’s broken the San diego homer-ness
by 8k1c6 on Mar 9, 2010 10:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
just got home from work....
and i see we signed TJ nice! I’ll crack open a beer to that one! CHEERS!
best of all
It looks like TJ always wears black shoes!!
You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
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