If YOU were Pioli, what would you do with the 5th pick?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 1:17 PM CST
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PrintI know we talk about this all the time but, I wanted to see what people think they would do if they were really honest with themselves about the 5th overall draft pick this year. If you were under the same amount of scrutiny that Scott Pioli is under, who would you take with a pick this high?
This is a very deep draft, possibly the best draft in over 20 years and we are in a position to take one of many outstanding football players. We have perceived needs at WR, Center, Guard, Safety, LB, NT to say the very least. There are also numerous other positions that could use a boost as well. Especially when you consider our lack of depth overall throughout the team.
I think it's safe to say that we will not reach for interior linemen in the 1st round so, that leaves us with guys like, Eric Berry, Rolando McClain, Dez Bryant, Dan Williams (or Cody). There is also the possibility of us drafting a guy like Okung if he's available and moving Branden Albert over to LG. (I still think this to be a very unlikely move) Those are the ones that seem to be most talked about here on AP. I am also assuming that Nmadokongh Suh (spelling?) will be off the board when we pick. You can choose Suh if you want but, to be honest, I would love to hear a good explanation for that one because I don't really understand taking him, even if he is a great player (which he is).
The fact is, based on last years draft, we have no idea who Pioli will choose. Our perspective on the draft could be very different from what Pioli sees. There is also a very good chance that we will have an opportunity to trade out of the 5th pick and maybe pick up an additional 2nd rounder. I really don't want use that as an option on this though, I just want to know with all honesty, who would you take if you had to pick at #5.
For me, I am going to say that I believe NT to be the biggest need for the team as a whole. That position can have a huge impact on the entire defense in a positive way and a NT for a 3-4 defense can be a very difficult player to find. I think the 1st round pick would be used very wisely if we can get the best NT on the board. A move like that would shore up our D-line for the next 10 years and we could possibly have the best 3-4 D-line ever with Dorsey and Jackson already beginning to develop. With that being said, if I had to pick at #5, I would take Dan Williams and start him from day one.
I am trying to put myself in Pioli's shoes when I say this because I understand that the team should be built from the trenches out and I truly think that Pioli sees it the same way. I am also trying to think of the "bust" rate for positions like Safety and WR.
Again, I don't want to hear who your favorite player is in this draft or even who would make the biggest "instant impact" I want to know what people would do if they were in Pioli's position. I really appreciate everyone's honesty.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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i would go for McClain
we need an ILB and some say McClain is a reach, i think he would anchor our defense and turn it around instantly.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Dan Williams, Eric Berry, McClain, or Russel Okung
I think thats his big board for the moment
i want berry
but i could totally see us reaching for williams
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
I'd try to trade down if I could
If I couldn’t, I’d go for Okung or Berry.
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I think we have to
take a mix of our needs and the best player available…..I think that ensures we get the best value without reaching too much(but pioli obviously dosent care about reaching)……with that being said i think berry would have to be the pick for me……it addresses one of our needs at safety but its not considered a reach with berry being so high on all the big boards…….im not saying safety is our biggest need but at 5 this is a good combination of needs and value
I agree that Berry is a fine pick but...
Are you concerned that he won’t live up to all the hype?
that could be said for anyone in the first round
but it is a solid question. Hopefully with the coaching staff we have in place we wont have to worry about that. Regardless he is going to get selected in the top 10 and hopefully if he is sitting there we either trade out and get McClain or pick him up at 5. Either way i would be happy just because i have faith that this coaching staff is going to get the best out of these guys now.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Yeh
im not too worried…….I feel like theres alot more positions out there that are harder for college players to make the transition than safety……if you have a knack for making hits and getting to the ball i feel like thats going to translate on any level……it might take a little time but his skills are there
I know alot of people say safeties arent usually drafted so high…..but the last safety drafted at 5 was the late sean taylor both have very similar stats coming out of college..racking up alot of tackles and INT……berry’s a couple inches shorter but still a big build
another reason i believe dbacks arent usually taking so high is due too the NFL passing game…..we now see that this is a very pass happy league and has shown gradual increase in 4000 yard passer per year(10 qb threw for 4000 yds this year,compared to 6 the previous year)…..so with the emergence of more passing QB and shut down CB,S….i think we will start to see a trend of more Dbacks going in the top 10
Could be...
The AFC West is really turning out be very pass happy in particular. Berry could be very valuable in this division.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
yeh
rivers keeps that stat up quite a bit……but through out the league it just seems everyone is passing more…….where as it seemed like in the early 2000’s every runningback was rushing for 1000 yards, multiple teams had multiple 1000 yd rushers
I don't dispute the fact that Berry is awesome.
I just think that in order for him to live up to the hype and be worth the 5th pick, he needs to be the next coming of Troy P…Is he really that good?
Berry is a really smart ball-hawk.
Great tackler, can play in the box, play deep, man up on a receiver, and has blitzed. You should look up some of his highlights(not to get a great idea of how he plays) but to see some of the great plays he makes on the ball.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
They say he's the best football to ever come out of Tennessee...
And that includes Payton Manning.
That’s crazy talk IMO.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that is crazy
I really like the kid. How he handles himself on and off the field.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yep that's pretty hard to beat and not because he isn't a great player but I think anyone would be harp pressed to put a saftey over Manning.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
works for me
… someone tell SwinCoach
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Sean Witherspoon, Dan Williams, Eric Berry
and right now I’m leaning towards Spoon … likely OLB but could play inside as well (and you know Crennel would figure it all out)
Williams is a bit of a reach, does seem to be the best NT protoype available to us at that spot (Suh will be gone, and there are concerns that he can be effective as NT at this level, no question Suh is a damn good player) … Williams at NT would fill a huge need, I admit
Berry is very good, yes … Haden I think would be just as good a choice (we do need help in Secondary)
those are our biggest NEEDS … and OLine but I’m thinking yeah, we can get Anthony Davis to play G in 2nd Round, or Pouncey at C …
WR, RB are less of a concern to ME at this point
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'Spoon at #5?!
Hell there is a chance he slips to our first second round pick.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
he could well go in top 10
hide and watch
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Okay ups put down the crazy juice. I have these pamphlets on this "hospital" where they can help people like you and your unique situation.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Which would make for a damn good pick IMO.
Fun player to watch. I get to see a lot of Mizzou games and I think Spoon is going to be very good in the pros.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I really do not see him in the top 15
As I’ve said before I do not think he fits well as a 3-4 LB and with so many 3-4 teams I could see him dropping down to Saints/Colts maybe Philly
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
BAMF, that's cool ... you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone ...
no matter how wrong and misguided you might be on any given subject, we do value everyone's opinions and ...
kidding of course … guess we’ll see how it shakes out … buckle up!
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i see spoon maybe at bottom of 1... prob 2
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
so if we have not picked up new MLB
…
i can see him as 2a for us…
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Depends who is there
I would easily pick up Hughes first
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
I meant in the second round
If we trade back in the middle of the first, with McClain/Williams/Berry gone, Hughes would be a top contender
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think we could pick up Micah J
in the later rounds, as well as I believe Vrabel could move inside if we got a new OLB
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Good but at #5???
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Def not!
I wouldn’t consider him at 5 but, with our 2a pick, Yes…for sure.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
you got to be nuts
a little too much of a MU homer on this one…..there is noway spoon goes in the top 10…….i dont know if i even see him going in the first round(maybe late)
we might as well take danario with 2a
Ha
why take a 4-3 outside linebacker to play inside in a 3-4, when we can take a 3-4 inside linebacker to play inside in a 3-4?
I dont think McClain is the pick.
we have bigger needs than ILB IMO
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think Okung will be there, or McCoy, or Suh, and I think St. Louis is going to go Bradford.
Lets say it goes like this……….
St. Louis, they took Long, Carriker, and Smith in the last three seasons, there should be a nice 4-3 DT or DE in round 2. Would Colt McCoy be their QB of the future, I’m not sure they’re going to have that much confidence in a guy who’s 6-0 tall. So I think they go Bradford.
Lets say Detroit goes like this, yes the run Defense is sub par, but they went and drafted Stafford. Lets say they take a guy named Okung.
Tampa’s run defense is Horrid, and Suh and McCoy are both sitting right there. Lets just say they take Suh.
Now Washington is on the board and Bradford, and Okung are off of the board. Is Clausen the guy? Do they reach for another LT? Are the Redskins all about offense? Aren’t they going over to the 3-4? McCoy
Now we’re sitting there at #5
I don’t think Berry is worth the pick as a safety, can he play the corner opposite flowers?
McClain has definate limitations on his range, but a very solid ILB in the 3-4 none the less. But like safety is ILB worth a pick this high?
Dez Bryant is a pain in the ass, trying to make the league cater to him.
Dan Williams doesn’t really strike me as a nose tackle in our defense, maybe another DE.
Mountain of Lard Cody………..Ryan Simms? Anyone else see that?
Joe Haden – after we took Williams last year at CB I really think they want bigger more physical corners.
Taylor Mays – don’t really think so
Derrick Morgan – Can he play OLB?
Pierre-Paul – Can he play OLB?
Clausen – Do we take insurance in case Cassel continues to implode?
Reach for another OT that probably would have fell to round two in years past?
Porter or Ellis could plug OLB……..so I’m thinking
Berry and move him to the corner like we did with Dale Carter
You mention Colt but not Clauson?
IMO it seems like it will play out
Bradford
Suh
McCoy
Okung
as the first 4 off the board
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
It probably will
I mentioned Colt, because I was saying I don’t think St. Louis will want him in the second and a DE or DT will be there in the second that they can live with.
Cmon
Now the McCoy I have going to Washington is Gerald NOT Colt.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 9, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Mountain of Lard Cody………..Ryan Simms? Anyone else see that?
Ryan Simms? Where? Is he standing behind Cody?
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
agreed
KC has a history of DT busting. please no more lineman in the first, skill position only please
I don't see Jackson or Dorsey as a bust
I believe Dorsey is serviceable in this defense, and they were right when he came out, dude could be another Warren Sapp in a 4-3. Jackson, with a NT there to take some of the pressure off of him will probably blossom next season and be scary in year 3.
Last Season if McCoy had come out we would have taken him instead of Jackson in a heartbeat. I doubt he would have done much better.
With a real NT our DL will probably be scary. Will they rack up the tackles? Doubt it. Sacks? Doubt it.
The production of our DL will come out through our LB’s, if these guys look good our DL will be doing their jobs.
That being said, if Suh is there at #2 I’m sure we’ll pick him there.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 9, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with Mclanahanman, whom I'm glad to see, here.
Carl Peterson had a history of DT busts. I think, too, he could’ve treated Saleamua with more respect. We forget that in the heyday of the KC 4-3, they had one of the best NT of all time…
Fact is, if the scouting department has its act together, and they think Williams is a long-term solution @ NT, he’s worth the pick. That’d mean they believe that Williams is an ELITE talent, one of the better NTs among recent draftees and draftees for the next year or two. If he’s that kind of talent, then he’s worth it, no question.
To be clear I was making a joke about Cody's size. I don't think Dorsey or TJacks are busts.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Good Job mcclanahan!
I am all for Berry as a CB, as a 1st position for him and maybe later in his career moving to FS.
Strong safety is for hitters like a Pollard type who will have shorter careers. Some good SS types later in this draft :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
I'm only saying Berry at #5
because 1970 said we had to pick there, and in a way I’d like to see him in a chiefs uniform.
I really think we’re moving either up or down, and either way I’m sure we’re picking up more picks.
I kind of think we might move up and in the process we pick up Detroit’s second in the trade, or trade places on our #50 and Detroits second and we get their fourth or something. Dealing them the #5 and Dorsey even possibly DJ.
If we move back to #9 with Buffalo so they can grab Clausen and we get their second, I don’t think we’re picking at #5 this year.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 9, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Berry wouldn't have to play full-time corner, but if he gave KC the ability to more things out of the same pre-snap
look, then he profoundly changes the landscape.
But yes, Steve, this means he CAN cover like a corner, at need.
I think Claussen will be there when we pick...
He IS our best chance at trading down IMO.
Claussen/Berry on the board might make it tempting to a few teams
a QB hungry team wanting to jump infront of Seattle
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention-
Seattle just rid themselves of Seneca Wallace, so who will spot Hasselbeck when he takes his 2-3 DL stints?
Looking more and more like they want their QB of the future-so if any team wants Claussen, they pretty much have to hope Washington passes and then trade with us.
Patience is truly a virtue, good things will happen soon
I see Shanny
going LT since their starter just retired, no matter who is on the board.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
How does this not qualify as a Mock draft?
And it’s not even a full draft. It’s a micro-mock. All you’re after is one pick. There’s a thread open for this in the recommended fan posts.
But since I’m here, I’ll say we trade down. We swap with Buffalo who could be after a QB, and we draft Dan Williams. #1 position of need (NT) gets addressed right there and we get an extra pick (probably a 3rd)
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 1:55 PM CST reply actions
it's a mock one pick
please use the flag feature for any posts that you feel are offensive, stupid, obnoxious, humorous, lame, nonsensical, satirical ...
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Not the question, you can't trade out, you gotta pick.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
there were people doing that way back up in the thread ...
damn cheaters … can’t people READ?
some people just shouldn't be allowed to even own a computer until they can pass a test or at least figure out what the word redonkulous means
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THAT'S MY SCENARIO AND I'M STICKING TO IT.
So yeah. What’cha gonna do about it? ;-)
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
If he can post mock drafts outside of the mock draft thread then I can interpret the #5 pick any way I want.
My #5 pick is now a #9 pick.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Now you're starting to sound like the Vikings from a few years back.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
don't piss him off ...
or he’ll take his football and go home
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Maybe that's my angle. ( ;
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
I knew someone would say that.
And I understand what you mean. I am just trying to get people to understand the pressure of this particular pick…especially at this stage in the Chiefs team development. It’s very easy to throw names out there but, to be in Pioli’s position is TOTALLY different from us just saying who we would like to see.
Fort instance, if I could pick a guy, I would probably look at a playmaker like Dez or Berry but, HONESTLY, I believe Dan Williams is safest pick for us. Especially in the long haul.
Idk I can't say im completely sold on Williams
how fast he shot up boards, if we could trade down to the 10-15 range I wouldn’t mind Williams being the pick at all.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno how "safe"
Dan Williams is considering he would be the biggest reach. When I think safe I think Berry or Okung…and I would be happy with either guy.
Not to say I don’t think Williams can cut it, but he’s a mid to late 1st round guy from everything I’ve seen.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I hear ya that he's a bit of a reach ... but he also addresses perhaps our biggest need
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exactly
best player at our biggest position of need.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Never know how early we will have to grab him
with all the 3-4 teams now. Bills/Donks/etc could all be in the hunt for him
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
That is exactly how a "Bust" Happens in the top 10 picks
What would be Dan Williams fallback postion if he fails at NT?
A 4-3 DT that we can’t use at all :(
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
But Williams has been in the 3-4 throughout college.
That’s why he’s the best fit for us at that position.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
And he's head 'n' shoulders above the competition, from what I've seen.
I’m just not POSITIVE he ends up playing at 330, when he’s in NFL playing shape. I’d have to leave it to the experts on the KC staff to make that call. But, like Jackson, if KC drafted him at #5, I bet he comes within a gnat’s whisker of his season-long playing weight in May.
No, he hasn't
He’s been a nose/shade in a 4-3 his whole college career.
by alakan81 on Mar 9, 2010 10:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you alakan
I thought the Tennessee Volunteers ran a 4-3 D
LE 91 Robert Ayers 6’3" 260 lb. RS-Sr. Clio, South Carolina 0
LT 55 * Dan Williams 6’2" 310 lb. RS-Jr. Memphis, Tennessee 0
RT 98 * Demonté Bolden 6’6" 290 lb. Sr. Chattanooga, Tennessee 0
RE 94 Wes Brown 6’3" 270 lb. RS-Jr. Athens, Alabama 0
SLB 20 Nevin McKenzie 6’2" 210 lb. Sr. San Antonio, Texas 0
MLB 35 Ellix Wilson 5’10" 225 lb. RS-Jr. Memphis, Tennessee 0
WLB 5 * Rico McCoy 6’1" 215 lb. Jr. Washington, D.C. 0
RCB 24 * DeAngelo Willingham 6’0" 200 lb. Sr. Palm Desert, CA 0
LCB 13 * Brent Vinson 6’2" 180 lb. So. Hampton, Virginia 0
FS 7 Demetrice Morley 6’2" 195 lb. RS-Jr. Miami, Florida 0
SS 14 * Eric Berry 5’11" 195 lb. So. Fairburn, Georgia 0
4-3 Defense in 2008
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
I am not saying Dan Williams will be a bust but for the Chiefs
as his only position would be a 3-4 NT which he has never played and would not be a great fit as a 3-4 DE he has a very large BUST potential for the Chiefs. Not so much a problem in any 4-3 defense
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent point
Honestly, I’m closer to jumping on the ‘Suh as a 3-4 nose tackles’ bandwagon than I am for getting Dan Williams to play there. And I’m pretty damn far away from the former.
I have to locate the article, but I read an interview with Williams where he basically admits to having a problem being hot and cold as far as effort. Of course, he says its “all behind him now” or whatever, but he pretty much states that he needs a coach on him to keep him motivated in games.
And it shows on tape, too. He dominates one weel and then the next he’s getting push around by one guy and doesn’t look like a good player at all.
For all the talk about Cody having poor work ethic and motivation, at least he goes to the trouble of acting like he’s trying hard instead of just saying, “yeah, sometimes I just dog it for a game or two…but not anymore!”
by alakan81 on Mar 9, 2010 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wouldn't touch Bryant after the recent stories ... especially after just resigning Chambers
WR is NOT our most pressing need by ANY means …
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I agree...
If our 1 and 2 guys are Bowe and Chambers that’s okay with me. I gotta think Bowe has a great chance to break out this year. He has the tools, he just needs to work on his hands.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think doing a private workout is that big of a deal...
Players do it all the time. Dez is an awesome player. I think the Prima Donna talk is blown out of proportion…at least a little bit.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
read my lips: we ... don't ... need ... WR ... more ... than ... NT
want me to slow it down for ya?
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worse, it was SUPPOSED to be a reply to Red N Gold
he reads slow, y’know
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Just dont need another J-Wells type thread LOL
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Typical J-Wells comment: Know what I think? explicative-explicative-explicative.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
no, but I'm a mirror and you're glue
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Carefull, I said that in a thread a while back and someone threatened to kick me in the balls.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
hey, I was close
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Close only counts in
horseshoes and hand grenades
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think we're down to horseshoes level ...
… or tiddleywinks
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So mind if I ask why so high on 'Spoon?
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
why no, actually, I don't mind at all ...
… feel free to ask
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5 minutes!!!
Why are you so high on 'Spoon all the sudden?!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Spoon's a solid all around player
Not the best in either coverage or against the run but, he’s pretty solid all the way around. Good size and speed. He’ll be a good player.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
This section of the comments is getting really small.
It’s probably best not to get back into a real conversation after all of the nonsense above.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
oh, wait ... you wanted an actual ANSWER
the guy had 400 tackles, he’s smart as hell and we need tha, he can play OLB and we need someone to take over for Vrabel or he can play ILB and imagine how much better we’d be theree
he’s fast, he’s strong, he’s projected (now) to go as high as 10 (though nobody cares about THAT really) … he’s tough as nails and fills any of 4 spots (either side or inside) …
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239 lb 3-4 OLB?
He is smaller than I would like as an ilb TBH
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but he would have shortened some of those words ...
… like “I”
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Wait... what?
If we draft a WR in the top 10 I might pop a blood vessel in my neck.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry I didn't get that you need type slower.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Wait slow down... let me get a piece of paper.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
I love you, Man
I love all of you on AP …
I'd like tot hank my director, and our producer, as well as my parents, Joel and Chris, of course, and kray and ...
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Tot Hank was a good director.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
lol
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
read between the typos, man!
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Oh, I definitely agree with that. That's why I pick Williams but...
I can’t say I wouldn’t like to have a stud like Bryant. He’s going to be a great WR in the pros.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's cool.
I really do think Pioli is going to trade out of this pick though.
Tell you what, if you really want to know who I think we’ll take if we’re at #5, then I’ll play along:
We would have gotten Okung, IMO, but the Redskins beat us to him. With the #5 overall the Chiefs select… S Eric Berry.
He’s the best player on the board at that point. Definitive play maker and all solid foot ball player.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
AND VICTORY IS MINE!!! HAHAHAHAHA.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
To be honest I didn't read the entire OP. :(
I just kind of skimmed through it. I still like my original scenario the most.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
lol
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if Williams will make it past Denver.
They have a huge need at NT as well as us. Which is part of the reason I can see Pioli reaching for him. ( and believe me, I understand that Williams is a reach) Pioli has shown that he will reach for a player if he thinks he is good enough.
Which is why trading with either CLE or BUF
would make sense… and is totally plausible. We move back a little, grab Williams from under DEN’s nose and shove it in their face for the next 10 years.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
would Pioli do that JUST to spite Denver?
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Not out of spite....
Just trying to get the most talented NT in the draft…Spite is just a bonus. :)
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Unless BUF
grabs Williams for their new 3-4 defense
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I've switched...
I initally wrote a post and said that McClain should be our pick, but the more I read and look at thte availability of talent in this upcoming draft, well I have switched and say we draft Berry and then pick up some other decent LB talent later on in the draft. I would love McClain, but Berry is top notch secondary talent to couple with Flowers.
Grab Micah J
later on, him and DJ(if he can get his act together) could be a good cover/thumper ILB group
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
i agree with Berry
hopefully he would shut Rivers down twice a year at the least!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
suh, berry, mcclain
no trading down
no oline
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 2:28 PM CST reply actions
b/c
Suh is over 300… and i think he would be able to add enough weight to be our NT…
is a beast of strength…
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
how much did Saleamua weigh?
i saw the Suh/Sal comparison and Suh is heavier that Sal.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
If he could be a great NT, I will agree that he would be a good pick.
I just feel like we need a great big monster of a guy to make up for the lack of size in our LBs and Dorsey as well as T-Jax. That great big presence would go a long way for us.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I dislike the idea of changing a player like that
I mean … sure, feed him enough Bar-B-Que and Hot Apple Pie anyone can gain wait … hell, I can just THINKING about that stuff … BUT … that’s not what the guy is right now …
Cody LOSING weight is different, and a good thing (for him) as it SHOULD add some TINY bit of “speed” … but speed isn’t needed at NT (and no, I don;’t want Cody)
Suh … he’s GOOD and all, but just … I think, too “light” … and you just don’t throw 20-30 lbs on a guy and NOT expect him be different
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Yup. He would lose some of his quickness for sure playing at a higher weight.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
and NT has to take up 2 blockers, right? so he needs that extra tiny bit of quickness
plus, adding weight means more energy expended to move that extra weight, which takes up some of his overall energy which means he’s overall weaker SOMEWHERE and …
nah, he’s too light, don’t mess with greatness
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Based on the havoc he creates he would be a force in any system.... but for how long?
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
You first say
speed isn’t need at NT when talking about Cody. Then you say it is needed when you talk about Suh. So which one is it?
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Different players
Cody’s game is not speed, its his massive frame/strength. Suh is his strength/speed.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
I understand what kind of players they are
he just seemed to contradict himself is all.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
They wouldn't ask Suh to put on 20 or 30 pounds, unless he were still growing, and it was natural for him.
Suh is a 300 pounder and that’s where he’d play as a Chief, imo. Expecting him to pack on 30 pounds is asking for bust.
Pioli might reach for a player, but at #5, he’ll pass up all kinds of upside to avoid downside. Whoever he takes at #5 (assuming he can’t trade out or doesn’t WANT to trade out) is going to be the closest thing to a sure thing starter he can find. That means ZILCH downside (health, work ethic, attitude – all the stars must be in alignment, except the FLASH.)
I wouldn't want to stack weight on SUH.
He was heavier his first couple years at NU and was less explosive and athletic. If he were to just gain weight for the sake of being bigger it would end him as an effective lineman. Keep him the same or build him slowly with more muscle.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
suh could add lbs from bbq and bigger muscles
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
he could add weight
but he wouldn’t be the same player he was in college. its like Dorsey moving to DE and taking up blockers. It’s not really his style. Dorsey has done well IMO but I wouldnt switch up Suh
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
really wanted to get something on Spoon from mockingthedraft ... but it's "down" or whatever
probably from the weight of all the AP Mock Drafters scrambling for info on their top 2 picks
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make that walterfootball
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what weight do you think could for a NT in nfl?
also from what i saw at combine…. they were saying that mccoy should not add much weight b/c he relies on speed
and though suh is quick… he relies on strength…
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
McCoy needs to hit the gym
and get more strength because he will not be able to just rely on his speed in the NFL
Suh is quick in short area, but also strong enough he can push the pocket back.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
completely agree...
mccoy was embarrassing on weights…
yep.
trained by my Michael Johnson…
sic em bears! lol
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Suh just is not the protypical 2 gap NT
those are usually 330+lb massivly strong man-beasts
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
i think some more weights and bbq will get him at 220
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
u mean 320 right?
As I said, I would not want him to gain weight. If Pioli drafts him, he drafts him for his potential he showed in college. Not to pick a player at #5 then basically ruin how he plays.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Suh's just a great 2-gap lineman. Not a true nose, but a 3-man front
consisting of Dorsey-Suh-Jackson, with a pair of 260-pounders at the OLB spots (add one of those in the offseason, too), and there’s plenty of stout up front. Suh wouldn’t be a classic NT in whatever defense you ran, but that’d be a line that got the job done between the hashes.
All sorts of looks you could go with.
Hali Suh Dorsey Jackson would be a nice looking 4 man front.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
+1
That would cause the Offenses to try to keep us in the 3-4 front
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
wouldn't switch him to DE?
i think he can be great NT in nfl…
i agree with on dorsey
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
IMO
he would excell in a 1 gap system no matter the front 3 or 4 man. In our 2 gap system I think he could play the NT and hold his own better than Ron
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
here we go! ... walterfootball has Spoon as #1 OLB
Height: 6-1. Weight: 239.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Combine 40 Time: 4.57.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.52.
Benchx225: 35. Vertical: 40.
Projected Round (2010): Top 25 Pick.
3/2/10: Wearing white spandex pants, Sean Weatherspoon ran a 4.57 at the Combine. He also notched a 40-inch vertical and 34 reps of 225. He’s a virtual lock to go in Round 1.
1/31/10: Sean Weatherspoon led the cheer for the North team before the game. But he was more than just a cheerleader; he nearly intercepted a pass in coverage against Dexter McCluster and later picked off a pass in the fourth quarter. Weatherspoon is unquestionably the top linebacker in this class after Rolando McClain.
Scott Wright has him at #18 overall, #2 after Kindle for OLB …
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side note
spoon looked silly in the white pants!!!!!
luved him in SR Bowl though
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 9, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Really he fits as a 4-3 OLB
Too small for a 3-4 OLB, and IMO not a great fit as a 3-4 ILB.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Suh
If he is there its a no brainer decision! Franchise NT! Anchor for Defensive Line! He is the MAN!
Good Lord, over 160 comments in less than 3 hours? About one pick?
AP is a ravenous beast!
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I know. It's crazy right?
I expected to get shot down by APers on this fanpost but, everyone seems to be having fun with it.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
You should go look at the "Flowers likes Berry" article.
I think the guys there are going to break the internet and get diabetes.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Trading out of the #5 pick will be hard unless
say Clausen/Berry/maybe one of the DTs.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Eric Berry.
I’m a Gator fan living in SEC land (born and raised inKC) and Eric Berry is a BMF. He gave the SEC fits. I mean serious studliness. He IS Ed Reed material. I have no doubt that he will not bust and be an All Pro (pro Bowl is popularity contest).
If Suh drops-then its Suh
But Eric Berry will be just fine…I will be happy
Patience is truly a virtue, good things will happen soon
Berry
He is an everydown player with almost no flaws in his game. If available you take him Dan Williams would be my second choice but no NT in the NFL plays every down on every series and they do nothing on special teams. You get much more use out of Berry.
Bryan Bulaga
He’s ready to go right now at LT (Pioli & Ferentz affiliation). B. Albert can move to a more natural RT. O’Callahan can move inside and Brian Waters can play Center. This would be an upgrade in 4 positions with just one pick. It’s like getting 4 better players.
Bulaga's arms scare me really short.
How is Albert more natural at a position he has never played?!
How does moving everyone to positions they MAY not be better at improve the whole line? Its like starting all sorts of rookies…
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
For the millionth time...
Albert has never, not one time, ever played on the right side. If he get’s moved, the only spot for him is at LG.
I'd pick Berry
and then dance a little jig
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Dance a Jig
or take a swig :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
Maybe a little of both?!?!
Works for me.
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Suh
And I would play him where is suppose to play. 3-4 DE. I would then move Dorsey. If Pat Williams retires from MN we could get their late 1st and draft Pouncey out of Florida. Then, we can take McClain with our 2a pick. Thats right I said it!
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
So we have expensive Suh, to pay Dorsey some of his rookie contract
and still no NT? Moving Dorsey who impressed most of us last year for a rookie who may not even work at the position…ill pass
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Suh...
is the prototypical 3-4 DE. He is 6’4", 300lbs and plays a 2 gap system in college. As for NT, our only options in my opion are Cam Thomas and Terrell Troup. Williams is over rated and Cody won’t be able to stay on the field. We will have to bring in a vet like Shaun Smith to ease their transition. I’m sorry, but you win superbowls by giving the other team match up nightmares. Suh would play the run just as good as Dorsey and bring the added ability to bat down passes and knock the QB on his ass. Suh could get 10 sacks a year playing a 3-4 defensive end. When got him and Tamba coming after you, you might as well throw in the towel.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
No one knows how he will play as a 3-4 DE or NT in the NFL
He is great in a UT roll in a 4-3 same with McCoy. If Suh drops to us, then I would grab him. If we grabbed Suh it would be interesting to see what Crennel sees in him to see if he could play NT bringing the line of Dorsey/Suh/Jackson, or if he is worth the pick at all.
Saying Suh could be so epic, 10 sacks, etc without playing a single down at the position in college let alone the pros…is just wrong.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 9, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
I saw Dorsey bat down some passes last year.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
In fairness, he looked very athletic doing it.
Those plays, alone, show that, however Dorsey might not be prototypical for 3-4 DE, he’s a superior athlete amongst the big men in the league. I’d like to see him play with a LITTLE more power and leverage when he matches up with the LTs of this league.
Hali is too quick for most LTs goin’, but you’d like Dorsey to be able to overpower anybody he can’t out-quick, and I think he shows a lack in this regard on those occasions when he lines up in 5-tech, which you want your DE to do, some of the time.
I am Confused now
Hali has the LT pretty much all on his own.
Dorsey is facing a LG and in 2009 a center.
T-Jax is facing a RT and maybe a TE.
What the hell is Edwards doing and where is Vrabel?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Not exactly sure what you're asking but
Depending on the call, 3-4 DEs are either in a 4-tech(in the gap between guard and tackle) or a 5-tech(head up with the tackle). Now, many time they’ll sort of just hedge and line on the “inside eye” of the tackle, putting them sort of between 4 and 5.
That’s just base, though. Depending on the formation the offense uses, you’re line will usually slide one way or the other and it changes everybody. In a case like that is when you’d see Hali get lined up over a tackle and Dorsey further inside. If its a pass, though, you would hope one them can beat their man or get the tackle and guard crossed up enougj that they don’t know which to block and Hali or Dorsey gets a clear shot.
by alakan81 on Mar 9, 2010 11:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dorsey lined up in the 3 tech quite often last year
Trying to keep his skill set of explosiveness in the 3-4. With Ron not really holding any blocker or two then the C is free to help with Dorsey.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 10, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Suh is rather short for the typical 3-4 DE
just like Dorsey
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
For the nose tackle debate
check out this link for a scout’s take on Dan Williams…
http://www.giantsgab.com/2010/02/04/prospect-profiles-nt-dan-williams/
More specifically…
" I graded six games of Williams’ 2009 season (at Florida, vs. Auburn, vs. Georgia, at Alabama, vs. South Carolina, at Ole Miss). He has a reputation of being a run-stuffer, but in the first two contests, Williams won only one of the seventeen Point of Attack (POA) run blocks he faced. It wasn’t a matter of his being double-teamed, as he faced only one blocker on twelve of the seventeen blocks. In addition, it is worth noting that the runners gained 70 yards on the runs, so it also wasn’t a case where Williams plugged the holes without beating the blocker."
Also…"Can bench press almost 500 pounds, a very stout defender. "
Well Suh is just 307 lbs yet can bench 535 and I dont think it’s any argument that Suh has phenomenal technique with his hands and footwork. I dont have numbers for his hangclean or squat but it’s safe to assume those numbers are great as well. People get too wrapped up in a player’s weight when looking at the NT position and ignore the fact that Suh at 307 is stronger than most 330 guys. People also forget that Suh played nose tackle on more than 50% of his snaps from his junior season at Nebraska
In the November issue of ESPN the magazine, they compared Suh’s junior season nose tackle stats vs. Casey Hampton, Kris Jenkins, and Haloti Ngata’s stats from their junior seasons in college…
Tackles:
Suh- 76
Hampton- 101
Jenkins- 39
Ngata- 61
Sacks:
Suh- 7.5
Hampton- 3
Jenkins- .5
Ngata- 3
Interceptions:
Suh- 2
Hampton- 2
Jenkins- 0
Ngata- 0
And dont forget about Suh’s senior season stats in a 4-3, although playing a two-gap assignment…
82 total tackles, 23 tackles for a loss, 12 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 3 blocked kicks, 10 pass breakups, 26 QB hurries
Whether he’s a 43 tackle, 34 end or 34 nose tackle, he’ll be a great player. He’s one of the very rare athletes with the versatility and skillset to play multiple positions and play each of them at a high level.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
by kc_radrh8r on Mar 9, 2010 7:37 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
+1...
great read.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
Good job r8rh8r
That’s exactly the kind of explanation I was looking for regarding Suh. Nice job. I’ll rec you for that.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. But when these guys tell you "rec'ed," they should actually GIVE you the recommendation.
I’m not stuck on definitions. Debating Suh is kind of a waste. But some of the tidbits against Williams were fairly telling.
Me rec too
Suh should be on our draft board.
A Better NT prospect than any of the rest IMO. Oh we need a NT?
and very reachable in a upward direction.
The downside of picking Suh?
We are totally stacked for quality 3-4 ends which is a good thing IMO
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
I just got back on here after watching a movie and I must admit that I’m kind of blushing from all the love…I’ve had more recs in the last 24 hours than in my first 7-8 months on here. I appreciate all of your comments though, so thank you.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
It depends on who is available
Take Berry IF he falls to 5.
But worse case scenario:
if Berry is gone…
And we can’t trade out of 5;
who do we take if I’m Pioli?
Although I don’t agree – Bulaga!
by chiefsfan62 on Mar 9, 2010 7:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
1970 - I concur, if Williams scouts that well.
If he’s elite, he’s worth the pick as far as I’m concerned. What I saw at the Senior Bowl was about all I saw, and he looked like a dominant player, to me. But I don’t watch that much college ball.
I’m kind of wondering about Berry and Haden, with what Mayock’s said, recently, but, as with his take on McCoy vs Suh, I think Mayock is right, but for the wrong player traits. Not seeing a lot of big hits or highlight plays from Berry is partly a product of offenses avoiding his part of the field, he’s so good. But a strike against Berry is his hitting, and I’m more about a sure tackler than a huge hitter. Frankly, I want my franchise DB to be able to fight another day, and try to keep him most outta the trash, because open space is where his unique talents are best used.
That being said, I was somewhat surprised when, at the combine, expecting to see DB 40 times down in the 4.3’s with a 4.2 mutant or two in there, they were all running in the 4.4s. What’s up with that? 4.43 is definitely respectable, but Haden runnin’ in the high 4.5’s? Maybe, for all the hype, this is just one of those years when you get overall improvements to the secondary in the 2nd or 3rd…
Haden did not get a good start on the 40
I think he will get in the low 4.40s possible break into the 4.3s at his proday. When you see him on tape/during a game the guy can play and you can tell he is not slow.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 10, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Okung or Beluga
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
If Suh is somehow still there I think Pioli would take him
Even though he lacks the size for NT he’s going to require a double-team in the NFL, and that’s what you need from a NT. Add to that his versatility & a guy like him would allow Crennel to get really creative with the defensive front. It would be great to be able to go 3-4 or 4-3 depending on the situation & being equally effective in both alignments.
If Suh is gone I think Pioli will entertain any good trade-down offers. Ideally we can swap with Cleveland or Seattle & still land Eric Berry.
I can’t believe I’m writing this, but after watching Dez Bryant highlights on youtube he would probably be my 3rd choice drafting this high (assuming that his character checks out with Pioli & Haley). Granted, I didn’t see the ‘lowlights’…but the way he dominated coverage in college, he looks like a future All-Pro NFL receiver. I think it’s a terrible idea to build a team from the outside-in, but then again it would be tough to get this kind of talent if you aren’t picking near the top of the 1st round. Having a physical pair of receivers like Bowe & Bryant, along with an explosive backfield of Charles and TJ would make this team a very tough matchup.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Uh why would Seattle trade up?
They hold 6 and 14, go QB then LT…
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
To stop Cleveland (or another team) from doing so
If they want the QB & believe another team is negotiating with KC to get ahead of them, it would make sense for them to do it.
I think KC actually traded up one spot to get Neil Smith, so it’s not unprecedented.
Predictions:
This year will be better
What no poll?
I clicked the post for a damn poll and what do I find? Another mock draft esque post… Damnit!
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