Thomas Jones Is Still In Kansas City
by Joel Thorman on Mar 9, 2010 9:40 AM CST
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PrintKansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli was on 610 Sports with Nick Wright this morning and Wright didn't waste anytime with the question we're all wondering:
What's going on with Thomas Jones?
Per Pioli, Jones is still in Kansas City visiting.
Previous reports indicated that he would be coming to town on Monday so, if that's the case, Jones has been there for more than a day.
And if that is indeed the case, I think that's a good sign for the Chiefs. Why else would he stay in town unless both sides were interested in getting a deal done?
The Chiefs are also reportedly hosting former Raiders RB Justin Fargas this evening.
Stay tuned....
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DO NOT WANT.
Older than Just Fargas.
Has been thrown around from team to team.
Poor production in AZ. Left on a sour note.
DIdn’t even put up amazing numbers with such a run heavy team in NY.
EXPENSIVE.
Fargas seems like he’s a much better option to me.
Do you really see him repeating those kind of numbers with our team?
Is he going to be the feature back? Is he worth feature back money?
my guess, 700-1000 yards
assuming we end up the season with a full O-line of road graders to pave the way…cuz JC will have 1600+ even if we kept the same line from last year. TJ will need better blocking than JC did IMO
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
No, because we don't want or need him to
JC is still the guy, but I do think he can continue to be a solid contributor, and being behind Charles on the depth chart should help keep him preserved too.
I’m still looking for your rationale for why Fargas would be preferred. As other have mentioned, he’s also over 30, put up less impressive stats last year, and has more of an injury history.
Thomas Jones was the man last year in New York, even though Greene came on strong in the playoffs. Fargas was not the man in Oakland, and it isn’t like Bush or McFadden were impressive enough to seize that job with an iron grip. I’m not saying Fargas would be a bad option, I just don’t understand why he’d be better than Jones.
$$$
Jones got paid about 3 times as much as fargas. Why put that kind of money into the older (albeit more productive) RB?
hm
define “that kind of money”
and honestly what do you care how much we spend for him? as long as we don’t give him a super long deal i think we can probably afford it…
by The DBowe Show on Mar 9, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I'm just scared of signing old RB's ever since the LJ debacle.
I’m not expecting him to get huge money, but still. I don’t like investing in RB’s that don’t do anything special. I’d rather have that Denver running mentality (who we’re mirroring O-Line-wise). Every down, pounding the ball RB’s have become a dime a dozen. Now someone like JC is defintiely a different story.
Lol.. You don't even know
Fargas got a huge contract the year before mcfadden.. Like five or six a year.. They got rid of him bc they didn’t wan to pay two running backs that kind of money.
by BALLard49 on Mar 9, 2010 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And I'm not saying that he isn't an improvement over everyone else that we have (minus JC of course)
Fargas is also an improvement over everyone else though, and again, cheaper. Plus, he’d be going from a worse organization to a better one. Jones would be the exact opposite.
He doesn't really have to get those numbers.
J.C is the starter, so all we really need is someone the opposing “D” has to worry about. A dependable back that can make you pay, if you don’t that him into consideration ( Wow 13 letter word, has to be a record for me).
5 years over 1000 yards
i would call that good!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Would You Be So Kind To....
Post the numbers you think a “Great” running back should put up in a year? I’m really just curious?
2 fumbles in 331 rushing attempts last year
sorry, that’s pretty good protection of the ball…everyone’s gonna lose the ball at some point.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
he only lost 2 fumbles in the last 4 years!
i’d say that is pretty good.
24 fumbles in 10 years = 2.4 a year
Only 13 of those lost….
Check the years he wasn't starting...
When he isn’t the feature where is his head? If he signs with KC where will his head be?
"Where will his head be?"
Hopefully, still attached to his body.
Although with our current O-line…that wouldn’t be “a given”.
Probably LJ Land
He likes to get out from the looks of things when you google him.
only for 3 years
Im sure he would like to forget them too.
Yes he did play for arixina
He was the 7th pick overall in 2000 by the cardinals. He then went to the bears
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by kcguy on Mar 9, 2010 9:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Arizona...stupid phone
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
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by kcguy on Mar 9, 2010 9:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i say grab both these guys and dump
All other running backs except charles of course. Have charles take most the carries have fargas and jones get the short 3rd and 2 carries and we r money
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2010 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh I think you're absolutely right Joel
If Jones didn’t like what he was hearing from them yesterday, and if KC didn’t like what they were seing," Jones wouldn’t still be in KC
My take: they are working on a deal…maybe a physical…who knows.
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Hopefully we lock him up.
As for the yahoo above. He’s only a year or two older than Fargas and has had far less injuries. He won’t be expensive and if he was O well we have plenty of money and it won’t be for more than a year or two anyway. He’s def. An upgrade over Kolby Smith and will help in Pass Blocking. Sign him
by BiiG_C on Mar 9, 2010 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if that's actually what the hold up is.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 9, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
have to be
or he would have been on the next plane out of there
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
He has been the second most productive back in
the last five years in the entire NFL. Five straight 1,000 yard seasons for Jones. I think those are pretty good numbers. Especially last year over 1,400 yards with Shonn Greene on the team.
im excited about what our rushing attack could be
JC, TJ, and whomever we currently have battling it out for the third spot is going to make us have the best running backs in the AFC West.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Pioli already had them at Arrowhead last night.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Thomas Jones was initially drafted by
the Arizona Cardinals. That was in 2000. He has also played with Tampa and Chicago.
How much are you willing to bet that Both of those teams wish they still had them
As is the case in the NFL a lot of times you don’t know what you have until it is gone. If AZ had built an O-line around him he probably would’ve been their back for 10 plus years. Instead, they went Denny Green(HC) and Emmit Smith…
Why else would he stay in town unless both sides were interested in getting a deal done?
maybe for the Bar-B-Que?
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Is it mansexual that my heart went a-flutter upon seeing a TJ headline?
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damn 3 solid rb's
if we land TJ and Fargas. that will be one nice setup for RB, i can see the release of KB coming if we do sign both.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
KB...Kent Babb?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Koolaid Berry?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
ok, everyone ...
please just back away slowly, very slow, that's right, thank you ...
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Ya...
Nothing to see here! Hey you folks, get these children outa’ here!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
It's important to note that...
… when TJ was released by the Jets, there were several players who voiced strong dislike for the move.
They said he was a leader in the clubhouse, a workout warrior, and “heart of the team”.
I, for one, would love a player like that on our squad… fits the ‘right 53’ mantra.
TD
Positive news on a Tuesday.
Everything I have heard about Tom Jones is good, very good.
Anybody hear he is a great singer as well?.
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
+1
and a loud groan
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Whats new Pussycat! Whoa ,whoa whoa whoa.
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
That's one of the few things I don't like about him ...
If we wanted a player that spent all his off-time in Vegas, we could get Jamarcus Russell.
HAHAHAHA!!!
In the words of Inspector Cleuseau (sp?) “Gud Von”
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Still need people to block for him...
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
Our line is a far cry from the Jets. How much does TJ owe to TRich?
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
QB's and RB's are less important
when you got the money O-line
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
agreed ...
and as we don’t have THE QB it’s even more important for us to have that money OLine
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
But since you did bring up the QB
TJ was effective on a team that had NO semblance of a passing game. Sure they had a good OLine in NY, but for him to run wild with 11 men in the box is tough to do, no matter who is on the OLine.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 9, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Sanchez > Cassell
and for the record…
Sanchez> Cassell> Favre
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
Just to throw gas on the fire
Tebow>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sanchez>Cassell>Favre
Have at guys!
by chiefsandcigars on Mar 9, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
and, correction
Thigpen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tebow>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sanchez>Cassell>Favre
You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
Sanchez is NOT better than Cassel...Not at this point.
Cassel is MUCH further along with his development than Sanchez right now. I also have to think that Cassel will continue to improve over the next couple years which will make him a continuously better QB than Sanchez …at least over the span of the next few years.
Cassel will be great with Charlie Weis.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
RE: Cassel is much further along with his development than Sanchez right now.
I agree to a point, but not really when you consider Cassel is like 6 years older.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
You gotta think of it this way
Cassel is a 3rd year starter this coming year…with no starting snaps since HS…the guy’s a gem in the rough and
I’D APPRECIATE IF YOU’D EASE UP OF HIS BACK ABOUT IT!!!!!
…sorry had a little Will Smith line jump in there…lol
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
True
I just think Cassel needs to improve next year or he’ll be in trouble.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 9, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Cassel will be "in trouble"?
I think we will be in trouble if Cassel doesn’t improve.
I think he will.
A stellar run game will do nothing but help.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
you know
You know it always amazes me how much people read into something. So Jones is in KC today – it was RUMORED that he would be in yesterday. It may mean something it may not. Maybe his fight was changed, maybe he flew in late yesterday for dinner and was meeting the team today maybe maybe maybe…..
In the end all we will really know is he was in town and the Chiefs chose to sign/not sign him.
OR
Maybe he just liked the BBQ?!?!?!!?
Of course it’s rumours and conjecture, its a Blog! We ain’t splittin’ the atom here son.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 9, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Well, if he likes barbeque he's a good man.
I did not know that we were not splitting the atom on this site. I thought we started with splitting hairs and worked out way down. ;>}
split infinitives are next ...
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Damn I need to try joe’s
8-8 is possible in 2010 and it wont take breaking the bank on 2nd tear free agents getting lucrative contracts because the free agent pool is so weak this year!
by Chieffan_Toby on Mar 9, 2010 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just Say No
to Thomas Jones.
I want to see Jamaal Charles given the opportunity to be a star. I want him to have a chance to shine. Let him get the rock 18-20+ times, and let him get a couple of receptions too. As a fan, I’ve longed for a player to rally around on this team. The face of the franchise that brings up the hope and spirit. The guy other teams chatter about and plan around. The guy who you have to go out and buy a jersey of. Charles has a chance to be that type of player. The tail end of last season was fun for one simple reason: watching Charles excel.
Bowe, Cassell, Dorsey, Jackson, Albert, Hali, DJ, Chambers, Flowers? None of them are that type of guy. And the last thing I want to see is a semi big name brought in to takeaway that opportunity from JC. I like Jones. But I don’t see him being comfortable with a 5-8 carry a game work load. And that’s what I’m looking for. Jones because of his resume will demand more touches than that. He’ll also steal receptions from Charles.
And let’s not forget that Jones benefited greatly from a tremendous offensive line in NY. Something that we can’t offer him. I’d expect him to struggle and revert more to his former self. And that was a guy who struggled to punch it in. He’s never been that goal line guy who can put 6 on the board. Which is what we need to better compliment JC.
Bring in Fargas, or some other role player, and let the fans have the opportunity of having a star player they can be proud of. A player who is ‘must watch’ on Sundays, and talked about all week. Don’t limit him to being a role that never gets to realize his full potential.
by Detroit Buckets on Mar 9, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions
Jones would be the role player, not Jamaal Charles.
When Marcus Allen came to the Chiefs he was not the feature back, but he was a great third down short yardage back. Same thing with Jones. He would be here to spell Jamaal Charles, not replace him. Haley said as much.
Agreed
JC is going to be THE main focal point of this offense. A move like this will only make him more effective and prolong his career at KC. I truly believe that he could possibly lead the league in rushing next season.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
A Dependable Backup...
would be what he is most suited for on the team. We currently do not have anyone who can step in and pick it up for JC if he gets hurt. I love this idea and Pioli needs to make it happen. Besides that, he’s been in the league a lot longer and can offer advice and knowledge to our boy, JC…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 9, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I want Charles to be our super star player too,
but he’s not a very big back. If you don’t have a good guy to spell him he’ll easily hit 25 carries in a game. That’s 400 carries over a season and for a back his size would destroy his big play ability. If you can give a guy like Jones 10-12 carries and still be productive it allows JC to still be explosive and lengthens his carrear.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
The big plus here, to me, is that when
Jamaal does come off the field, there is not much (if any) drop in the running back’s ability.
Why would Jones
after a 1400 yard season be looking for a role that only utilizes him 10-12 times a game? Jones isn’t thinking to himself that his days are over. He’s still looking to be a big factor on whatever team he goes to. And you don’t woo one of the bigger name FA’s by suggesting to him that his role will be that of a 10 carry back.. It’s logical that Haely/Pioli/Weis are promising him much more than that. I guarantee that it’ll be much more of a 50/50 thing w/ Jones and Charles. I’m not suggesting we run JC into the ground. He needs a viable backup. The last thing I want is for him to wear down prematurely. I just don’t ever see Jones accepting such a limited role. He’s still a player that will demand a bigger impact on the game. Maybe if we ran the ball 38 times a game like NY did, it would work. But the league average is closer to 26-27. More than likely they both get around 15 touches per game. That’s not a lot for a guy who’s always a big play threat and carries a 5.9 per average. Now maybe 15 touches per back equates to a good, balanced, team running offense. But it still limits a player who has the potential to be a stud. And again, Jones is not that goal line back, that guy to get that crucial 2 yards on 3rd down, that we really need.
Let’s be honest. With or without Jones, we’re not winning anything of consequence anytime soon. So I’d at least like to see us have a star playmaker on the field getting every opportunity to dazzle us.
by Detroit Buckets on Mar 9, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree about that.
Jones is 32. He knows at this point that he will be best suited as a role player. JC will still get 20 carries a game. Jones will likely get 10-15. I am under the assumption that we will be running the ball a LOT!
I also disagree with the fact that we won’t be winning anything next season. I believe that is a loser mentality and represents everything that has been wrong with the Chiefs for several years. We now have a top notch coaching staff and some very talented young players who are starting to come into their own. I’m not saying we will win the Superbowl or anything but, we could make some noise next year and win 8 games…maybe better. The Jets and Cards have shown the last couple years what can happen when an 8-8 or 9-7 team gets into the playoffs and gets hot at the right time…I will NEVER say something like, “we are going to suck so we might as well just give up on next season now”…For Christs sake, it’s only March.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
i agree 1970
there is already this defeated attitude around here. This draft is deep, we have several players already on the team, Dorsey, Flowers, T-Jax, Vrabel, Cassel, Bowe, Chambers, Succop, and JC. We have a core of young players that complimented throught the draft and Free Agency really could take this thing to the next level.
If you look at the AFC West it really isnt that dominant like it used to be. We could easily sweep the division or lose every game in the division, but saying we are already out of it is a reach. Only time will tell.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Not a loser mentality....
just a realistic one. I said win anything of consequence. 7-8 wins is very much in the realm of possibility for this squad next year. And while that’s a huge step up in the right direction, it’s still just mediocrity. It’s still going to be 2 or 3 years till we’re able to make some real noise in the playoffs. It’s all part of the process. That’s reality, not defeatism.
by Detroit Buckets on Mar 9, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I understand what you're saying...
I just hope the players aren’t thinking like that.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
and a few more wins to that total 9-10 wins
equals playoffs especially if we sweep the AFC West.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
If you really want to shorten JC's career...DB
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 9, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind either...
My perspective on any potential misfits is realigned when I consider our coaching staff. They seem to have knack for straightening players out or they’ll cut’em. I Sleep well at night knowing we have an elite staff putting our program together and don’t think any players will be stepping on the toes of our coaches.
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by CO_ChiefJordan on Mar 9, 2010 10:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
No.
Further than that, I’m not getting into the BBQ debate.
I Don't Get It?
A lot of folks ’round these parts wants Pioli to cut loose of the duckets. People are crying about signing free agents. Now that we have an opportunity to get a quality RB, arguments surface against it. For those against the TJ signing, please clarify for me…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
Folks, get their panties in a twist about virtually
anything that happens with the Chiefs. It’s good, it’s bad, it’s cheap, it’s expensive, it’s up, it’s down……………
I'm a firm believer that you need two quality RB's on your football team.
Getting T.Jones = J.Charles having a longer career as well.
by chiefs_fan05 on Mar 9, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
All you need to know about Jones
He has avg about 1200 yards, 7 tds, 4,2 y/carry, and lost 1 fumble per year, plus, all things considered, avg almost 16 per year and is a great presence in the locker room, WHAT IS NOT TO LIKE? We are asking him to compliment charles….pay him 10 mil a year…no cap and we are way under. We need talent and presence, he brings both…..
Also, guy is 100 times better than fargas.
Bacjing up Jamal is better for him.
He will be able to walk without a limp when he retires.
The cost of livng in KC is nothing compared to NYC. I could live pretty good in KC fo 6 mi per year. Maybe even get some put back for retirement. Buy a bass boat. Now that’s livin.
House hunting?
This is an ideal pick to help JC just remember what happened to LJ and his being overloaded with carries.
I hope we land him.
This is a good sign
for the Chiefs!!! Charles is a stud, but, you have to consider the nature of the NFL. People get hurt. No, I don’t want to see JC go down, but if he does, who’d be better carrying the load: Thomas Jones & Justin Fargas, or Jackie Battle and some other no name? Like to see them both signed personally.
Thomas Jones and the Lombardi, DO IT!
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