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Chiefs Failing To Win Boldin Sweepstakes Is Perplexing

If you weren't around over the weekend, then you missed several hours of the most exciting and entertaining developments of free agency weekend.

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Around 3:00 PM (CST) on Friday afternoon, reports emerged that the New England Patriots, Baltimore Ravens and, yes, the Kansas City Chiefs were in a bidding war for Anquan Boldin from the Arizona Cardinals. Rarely do we see trades play out in front of us like this.

Word emerged that the Patriots were the front runner shortly after 3:00 PM but that was quickly shot down. By 4:00 PM, it was the Chiefs and Ravens in hot pursuit of the Pro Bowl receiver.

When it came down to the Ravens and Chiefs, I suspected the Chiefs had to be the front runner because in any discussions of draft picks, the Chiefs had an immediate advantage. In each round, they were selecting 20 spots ahead of the Ravens so any deal they could give had to be better, right?

Apparently, not. The Cardinals dealt Boldin to the Ravens and we were left wondering what happened.

Well, we're not the only ones wondering what happened. SI's Peter King said the situation was perplexing as well.

They had the Chiefs on the hook, and K.C. had to be willing to give its third-round pick to be in the discussion; The Chiefs' third pick was the 68th pick in the draft. Even if Kansas City wanted something minor in addition, isn't the 68th pick better than the 88th pick that Baltimore gave -- along with the Ravens giving their fourth in exchange for the Cards' fifth rounder to even out the deal? That's 20 slots in a very good draft.

What, exactly, were the Chiefs offering? With two second round picks I find it hard to believe they weren't willing to part with the 68th overall pick in the draft. I know GM Scott Pioli covers those second and third round draft picks but, as it's been pointed out before, it's very difficult to find a top flight receiver.

And if there's anyone that knows what kind of receiver Boldin is, it's Todd Haley.

Perplexing indeed.

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ehhh

Doesn’t bother me so much. I’d rather use that 3rd to draft Walton and anchor our oline for the next 12 years.

by RamX21 on Mar 8, 2010 8:51 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

agreed

i would rather draft some O-line help than deal with someone who is going to make it through the whole year.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Def

Id rather draft a player that could possibly be here long term with that third round pick opposed to getting a player that would have only signed a four year contract with us

Chiefs are on the up and up

by Chiefs1 on Mar 8, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Doesnt bother me either

but I like Boston College’s Matt Tennant better than Walton. Walton claims to have “held his own” vs. Suh, but he apparently forget that Nebraska’s other DT had 13 tackles and 5 sacks in that game. But Walton in the 4th…I’d consider that a steal.

The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

i normally am a huge FA fan... but this year...

i want to see the scouting and new coaches picks in this draft that seems very deep

by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 8, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Something to consider about Haley and Boldin:
And if there’s anyone that knows what kind of receiver Boldin is, it’s Todd Haley.

It’s actually possible that this might be a reason that KC didn’t go for this trade. Haley knows the guy better than any of us does, and it’s entirely possible that he didn’t think Boldin was worth the pick. Heck, he might not have wanted that personality in practices or something. Maybe there’s bad blood between them. Who knows?

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 8, 2010 8:52 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

depends on what they thought his value was

If they could get him for a 4th then ya, but didn’t think his value merited a 3rd+

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 8, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

To what extent was KC in the running?

I mean, was KC confirmed to have made offers for him, or to have discussed contract possibilities with him? If not, then you can’t call blogger speculation a definitive link.

Furthermore, if KC did make an offer, that means Haley was on board, but didn’t offer more than he thought Boldin was worth. That’s fine.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 8, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh no you di-dn't

Joel’s gonna ban you if you keep talking crazy like that.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Adam Schefter

I take his word as gospel on anything Broncos related.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 8, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see it

I was actually asking in all honesty what the status was, because I honestly don’t know. I’ve found it’s usually not worth following the rumors in the early days of free agency, because the smoke and mirrors are so numerous that it becomes almost a full-time job to find any truth in them until someone signs on a dotted line. But I was actually asking whether there was a reported link or if there was just speculation that Boldin would make a good fit.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 8, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Schefter said it was between the Chiefs and Ravens

And I don’t know why I said that part about the Broncos. I was zoning out, LOL.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 8, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

we forgive you, Joel ... this time

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

if you keep

using curse words like “broncos” on here, you’ll need to be banned.

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 8, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

not so much anymore

Schefter was a friend to Shanahan i would suspect you will see him have the d.c. scoops now

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by Bleedzredngold on Mar 8, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I think I would have been more upset...

if they hadn’t made a play for Boldin. Even though they lost out at least it shows they were trying to do something in free agency. I trust Pioli and if he felt the asking price was too high for Boldin then so be it.

by Cassel This! on Mar 8, 2010 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

Pioli's 3rd Round Draft History?

Boldin is at least a proven Top 20 Reciever. How many top-flight players total in 10 years has Pioli nabbed in the 3rd round?

I would say the odds would be in favor of Boldin being a better pick then whatever we get in the 3rd round.

Of this is pure common sense speculation that Pioli has maybe drafted 1 or 2 Pro Bowl caliber players out of the 3rd in his entire career.

by Section304 on Mar 8, 2010 8:56 AM CST reply actions  

So you'd like to have a top flight receiver

Than building the most important part of the football team?

by RamX21 on Mar 8, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

his 3rd this year is going to be o-line

where they are seldom mentioned and highlighted, but needed.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's some notable third rounders (or deeper):

Ellis Hobbs. (3rd)
Nick Kackzur (3rd)
Asante Samuel (4th)
Tully Banta-Cain (7th)
Jarvis Green (4th)
Ryan O’Callaghan (5th)
Tom Brady (6th)
Matt Cassel (7th)

That’s quite a few players that were found deep in the draft. So yeah, a third is kind of valuable, especially in a draft class like this.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

wow

nice find there. That is a pretty good amount of talent. I’d say the guy knows what he’s doing

by RamX21 on Mar 8, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Thats 8 players in 10 years after round 3

So less than a player a year after round 3? Surely thoes aren’t all the good picks but you gotta admit for any team after round 3 is pretty hit and miss….and mainly miss.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

that more players than we have found in round 3 in the last 10 years!

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep already conceded that fact...

If you read my comment, but I could compile a list twice as long of players drafted in the 3rd or later that didn’t do shit….that’s the point…it’s a crapshoot at that point.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

And past performance is no guarantee of future results for Boldin

A draft pick is a gamble, so is an aging free agent at a skill position. I’d rather take the bigger risk for the bigger reward in the third.

For justice we must go to Don Pioli

by Sudden on Mar 8, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

If you want to get technical,

That was 8 years of picks, as I didn’t bother to follow Pioli past then.

Feel free to find another team that has had the same 8 years of late round success.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

8 players

Thats great that he has found these players but how many years did it take them to develop? How many drafts did you pull these 8 players out of? How many players were drafted that never saw the playing field? I would have given up a 3rd round pick for a proven player. We need players now…

by groundedchevy on Mar 8, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

If Pioli starts picking late round guys that develop into anything like

Asante Samuels or Tom Bradys, I don’t really care. I’d much rather have a guy that has 16 years solid to exceptional play in front of him instead of 5.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

i would agree as long as it was a player we needed badly

WR is a need, but not that big of one compared to NT and OL, both of wich could be fixed in the 3rd

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Mar 8, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

More food for thought

take a look at receivers found in round 3 or later
1995- Antonio Freeman (3)
1996- Terrell Owens (3)
1996- Joe Horn (5)
1997- Derrick Mason (4)
1998- Hines Ward (3)
1999- Marty Booker (3)
2000- Laveraneus Coles (3)
2000- Darrell Jackson (3)
2000- Dante Hall (5)
2001- Steve Smith [Panthers] (3)
2001- T.J. Houshmandzadeh (7)
2003- Nate Burleson (3)
2003- Kevin Curtis (3)
2004- Bernard Berrian (3)
2004- Jericho Cotchery (4)
2007- Mike Sims-Walker (3)
2007- Johnnie Lee Higgins (3)
2007- Steve Breaston (5)
2007- Legedu Naanee (5)
2008- Earl Bennett (3)
2008- Early Doucett (3)
2008- Harry Douglass (3)
2008- Mario Manningham (3)
2008- Andre Caldwell (3)
2008- Josh Morgan (6)
2008- Pierre Garcon (6)
2009- Mike Wallace
2009- Mike Thomas (4)
2009- Austin Collie (4)
2009- Johnny Knox (5)

Now this tells us:
1. With the possible exceptions of T.O. and Hines Ward, none of these guys will likely be a Hall of Fame player, yet they’re still very good receivers for any team to have.
2. While making this list, I realize that the bust rate in rounds 1 and 3+ for WRs seems to be about 50%, maybe possibly more. However, round 2 seems to be the best time for a WR.
3. Maybe the most telling stat here…when looking at all of the WRs taken in round 3 from the 2008 & 2009 drafts, the bust rate appears to be much lower and nearly all of the WRs picked (many who didnt make my list) appear destined to have long NFL careers (maybe not all as stars, but at least play some role for some team for several years). That trend might be an indication of how important our 3rd round pick may be this year.

The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd agree with that

until you look at the WRs picked in round 3 from 2008-2009…they all have a lot of upside, so maybe that’s a trend Pioli is convinced will continue into this year? I sure hope so. Needless to say I just dont want to be disappointed with his picks this year.

The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 8, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Some very good WRs on that list

I agree. Lot of potential in that group that has already shown flashes of being really good. Arizona sure can draft receivers though. Breaston and Doucett make the loss of Boldin pretty minimal.

by CapsLockKey on Mar 8, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

The point being missed on Boldin...

It wasn’t as simple as merely trading away 3rd and 4th round picks, but there was also the task of resigning him to a long-term, big money deal, and from what I read, he was looking for around $8 Mil a year, and there’s no way Pioli is paying injury-plagued Boldin that much over the next 4-5 years… Sure, I would’ve loved to see Boldin in a Chiefs uni, but not for the price he was asking….

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by FredThreezy on Mar 8, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

kc_radrh8r ... excellent research and data, well done

and I think it shows rather clearly that Boldin is not worth 2 draft picks … and that’s not even mentioning the fact that the guy did NOT want to come to a rebuilding team

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

3rd Round

Has 2 players, neither of which I would say are the caliber of Boldin.

You can’t list off players past the 3rd round, because those players wouldn’t even be considered in the 3rd round. If thats the case I can also claim Pioli made a MISTAKE taking Tom Brady in the 6th, since he should have taken him earlier.

I’m strickly trying to judge him on what he scales as a “3rd rounder”. I’m sure that year he actually considered Brady a 5/6th round guy on his scounting/rankings.

My point is simply that you have better odds getting 2-3 good years out of Boldin, then drafting a player in the 3rd round that will give you 2-3 good years.

by Section304 on Mar 8, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

depends on your definition of better

if we take a WR then you are probably right. if we take a player in a position of need, then not so much. fixing the O-line in the 3rd or grabbing a NT will have a lot more impact then grabbing boldin.

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Mar 8, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Pioli 101

Lets talk trade. Unless you leak the news that we are in trade talks. Then we are gone.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 8, 2010 8:58 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

haha

That’s a good call!

by Matt Conner on Mar 8, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

What ever happened to

“I’ll make you an offer you can’t refuse…”

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

my take is ...

I’d rather have a younger, less injury-prone WR for a lot less money for a lot longer time than have Boldin who’s expensive and, at best, a short-term fix to a problem that is far from the BIGGEST problem on the team

… and most likely that’s what Pioli ended up telling himself as well

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

younger, less injury-prone WR. Everyone got excited because it was Boldin, a household name. Why dont we draft a guy and turn him into a household name?

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

That was a joke. Posting in sarcasm font AND putting a pic up was more than my little brain could handle.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Pioli must have a good draft plan.

It’s likely that parting with a 3rd and a 4th or 5th would have put a wrinkle in his plans.

I’m not mad at him. I think this is mostly just a major shock to a lot of fans because of the way the previous regime did things. Peterson would have traded at least a 3rd and 4th or 5th, or he may have traded away one of the 2nd rounders for Boldin.

This is a new era of Chiefs football folks. Pioli has a plan and a certain way of doing things. Get used to it.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

I'm not sure KC was willing to give up it's 3rd rounder for Boldin

As King points out, it’s the 68th pick of the draft. This is said to be one of the deepest drafts ever, so that early 3rd rounder is probably the equivalent of a mid-2nd rounder in any other year.

Would you trade a mid-2nd round pick on a non-contending team for a really good, but often injured receiver who is wanting a big contract on the declining end of his career? You could argue in favor if it, but personally I’d shy away.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 8, 2010 9:03 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

that 68th pick

is going to turn into a Chief for years to come. Hopefully he is a O-Lineman and is here for 8-10 years anchoring our front and bringing up back to respectability.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

BOLDIN DIDN"T WANT TO COME TO KC

He was at a charity event on Saturday and specifically stated he only wanted to go to a contender…someplace where he’d have a chance to win a championship! He also said he didn’t want to have to start his career all over again…from the bottom. He didn’t mention the Chiefs, but that sure sounds like us!!! This was televised on NFL Network. Thus, I doubt we lost him do to a lack of effort. Rather, he simply didn’t want to play for a team that is rebuilding. Oh well, plenty of studs to be had in the third!!! Angerer, Gerhart, Tenant, Walton…and on and on!!!

HAIL CHIEFS

by CheefyWeefy on Mar 8, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Got any links/proof to those quotes?

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Just going to say the same thing,Cheefy...

We more than likely would have got him if we had won more games.

by idahochieffan on Mar 8, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Makes sense, except the Cards decide where they want to trade Boldin, not Boldin

What Boldin wants really doesn’t matter. It is not like UFA where a player can accept the deal they want from the team they want.

In fact, it is illegal for teams to contact players from another team that are still under contract — that is tampering. Thus, Boldin probably had just as good of an idea as us as to who was working to acquire his services.

by Nick Britt on Mar 8, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

except that it does matter if Bolquin is happy or not

because without the promise of a long term deal, the trade probably doesn’t get made.

He doesn’t do the long term deal unless he’s happy

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Mar 8, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Usually the player negotiates a deal with his own team to be signed by his new team. This is actually what happens so that the new deal and trade happen nearly at the same time.

by AirNorval on Mar 8, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought I was going to to read all the comments, and not find a single person brave enough to speak the truth.

by AirNorval on Mar 8, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

we're pretty savvy fans over here

most of us are realistic enough to “know the score”

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 8, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

There is usually a really good WR hiding somewhere in every draft....

…The trick is finding him. I wouldn’t say it is out of the question that we could do that. The other thing that bothers me is that we have a Boldin-like player on our team, his name is Bowe. I think he had kind of a down season in a year of transition, it wasn’t that long ago that we were all praising him and after a few drops we are ready to trade him for picks.

My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.

WRITE IT DOWN!

by BigRedChief on Mar 8, 2010 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

I agree about there being good WRs later in the draft

Look at DeShawn Jackson a couple years ago. I’d rather have him than Boldin at this stage of their respective careers & he went in the middle of the 2nd round.

I do think that Boldin in his prime is much better than Bowe though.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 8, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Jackson

How many WR went before and around Jackson that wil never contribute in the NFL? It is a lot (I looked this up for another post a while back). Remember you can find players like Marshall, Colston in late rounds too. Its just how can you depend on that? Give Bowe the same QB for a whole season and we will talk then. He has some impressive numbers even with the suspension last season. Very few WR can match is production in the first 3 years of their career. I think we are a little hard on him especially with no other major talent around him. How many drop balls did the whole team have last year? I think that speaks a lot about your QB.

by groundedchevy on Mar 8, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

what?

The QB can’t catch the ball for these guys.

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 8, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Let Baltimore pay umpteen bazillion

dollars for Boldin. If he could have been obtained for less than an arm and a leg, okay. But really, we can pick up other receivers for less.

by G.L. on Mar 8, 2010 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

Hmm.

Maybe. But for 8 million a year (or thereabouts), we could finally have a reliable possession receiver. The problem appears to be trying to assign value in terms of draft picks.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 8, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

The other thing is that bothers me is....

Remember when we traded a 4th for Herm? Then that fourth turned out to be Leon Washington and everyone was and still are pissed. Then remember when we traded Jared Allen and that turned into two significant players in Brandon Albert and JC. What happens if we trade those picks to Arizona for Boldin? What if Boldin comes in and doesn’t turn out to be what we thought we were getting? Who would we be complaining about in a few years that we could have drafted had we not traded for Boldin?

My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.

WRITE IT DOWN!

by BigRedChief on Mar 8, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

HERM (or course)

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

4th for Herm

hell if Peterson was still around i would fly to KC and try out this summer!

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking it was Morgan we drafted

with Minnesota’s 2nd rd pick? I could be wrong, but I thought we picked up JC in the early part of the round.

Patience is truly a virtue, good things will happen soon

by Scalper7 on Mar 8, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

3rd round

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 8, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

ah, my bad

thanks

Patience is truly a virtue, good things will happen soon

by Scalper7 on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Has anybody mentioned

that we might’ve just been driving up the price?

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 8, 2010 9:21 AM CST reply actions  

that's a dumb game to play ...

… you don’t raise in poker unless you can afford to lose

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

plus

what goes around, comes around

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 8, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

what, you mean he DIDN'T want to play for a team that will be lucky to break even this year?

I'm SHOCKED ... and hurt

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

ups why do you think we will be lucky to break even?

Seriously, we get 2 games against the Raiders, Broncos and Chargers. The Raiders are the Raiders and until they sit JaMarcus they will continue to lose, the Broncos are not going to be as good if they can’t replace Marshall and the Chargers are running out of time and I think LT will be a BIG loss for them weather they think so or not. The draft can change the fortunes for all these teams but it can also do the same for the Chiefs.

My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.

WRITE IT DOWN!

by BigRedChief on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

well, just I can't/don't see a way to improve so much that we hit much beyond that ...

8-8 would be good IMNSHO … and many of us would be good with even (a bit) less as long as the team is competitive and plays hard, smart football … we’re competing against the league, teams outside of our division … our divisional rivals account for only 6 games a year (and one of those is almost always a guaranteed loss, @ Denver)

yes, I fully expect the draft to (help) change the fortunes of the tam, but then (as you so rightly noted) it can do that for other teams … there’s a “leveling off” place … the high/low draft order helps ensure that USUALLY a team will be (on average) middle of the pack

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

It all came down to the team and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 8, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

personally, I'm glad it DIDN'T happen

tired of people thinking we “need” any “big bane FA” or that w/o spending money like water a player can’t we good

that’s precisely how this game has gotten people like Peppers and Pace and the other high priced FAs … many of whom have been busts … we don’t want or need that, especially at the cost of a draft pick

if we fail, let’s do it honestly, thru the draft

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

except the fact that he was traded

so he really had no say in the matter. He was under contract and he would’ve been under contract to whomever he was traded to. Do people not understand how trades work? There are no ‘no trade clauses’ in the NFL as of now, so if Arizona wanted to send him here they could have. The real hook would’ve been getting him to sign a long term deal, but you give someone enough money they will sign.

by tebunker on Mar 8, 2010 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

give enough money

Well, that’s probably not smart at all. If a guy is telling you he really doesnt’ want to come there and he doesn’t believe you’ll be a contender it is going to really cost a lot – a LOT. Why would we do something ridiculous like consciously way overpaying someone who still doesn’t even really want to be there?

Or you could do the trade anyway and get his one last remaining contract year. 2 draft picks for one year service?

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 8, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

@CheefyWeefy

You think Richard Seymour wanted to play for a team like Oakland? Hell no.

Players don’t get to choose which team they are traded to….Boldin wasn’t an unrestricted free agent, he was under contract with the Cardinals.

by Nick Britt on Mar 8, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Thats where you are dead wrong

Players can easily “choose” one team over another in a situation like what happened with the Chiefs and Ravens. When a player is traded so is his contract, if Boldin didnt want to play in KC he could just refuse to negotiate with the Chiefs longterm. This would mean if the Chiefs acquired him it would be on a one year deal, and thats a recipe for a disaster; dont believe me, ask Oakland.

by AirNorval on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 8, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

It really isn’t perplexing.

I wouldn’t want to play in Kansas City either. And I even live in the Hometown of Len Dawson

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

that because your a Browns fan

bet if KC was knocking down your door with millions to throw your way you would play for us.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

who said he didnt want to play for us?

It came down to what was offered and the Ravens felt he was worth more than we did. Boldin actually said last year he wouldnt mind playing for Haley again. Thanks though. Maybe next time think about reading the article..

by tomahawk44 on Mar 8, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

he a Browns fan trolling

thats all read his profile!

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Harsh. But the good thing is, is that Cleveland has the greatest fan base ever. Hands down, for almost any sports franchise.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Can't knock the Dawg Pound

Cleveland does have great fans….but the best thing the Browns ever did was move to Baltimore and become the Ravens.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, they definitely shoud’ve kept you guys in Dallas. Would’ve saved a lot of trouble.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, they had 2 franchises in Dallas then....Cleveland lost their only 1.Great fans support their teams.So quit trolling

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So you’re proud that you got the shittier franchise? “Yeah, I’ll take your sloppy seconds! That’s cool.”

Don’t disrespect Cleveland through the Ratbirds. Not cool.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

If we were truly worse and you were better

…Pioli would’ve taken the GM job with you.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

We have Holmgren AND Heckert.

We win.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

And a first round franchise hometown QB...how's that workign out for you?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

This is going to be a huge year for Couch...

Really it’s make or break for him.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Talking about Quinn there.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Aren’t the Chiefs picking before the Browns?

Maybe you can pick a competent OC

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, I’m done with this.

Shouldn’t have trolled like I did like my first comment. My bad, get over yourself. Good luck this season!

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You too, good luck

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe you shoudl at least win 1 SB before you start your chest thumping.

Troll

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

We’ve one at least 5 NFL championships.

Which is the SB with a different title. We actually trump you

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Coming in second is the first loser

But if it makes you feel better you can take your 5 over our SB…that’s fine.

We’ll keep our 1 over your 5.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Not gonna lie, it’d be a pretty epic AFC Championship if it was Chiefs v. Browns.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

And Pioli took your job because it was a bigger challenge.

Fail.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Riggggght...you got us using pure logic there...lol

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice comeback.

Ending a sentence with lol clearly is logical.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Making asinine comments without substantiated proof deserves it.

Troll.

Not enough fans on the Browns board (or should I say “bored”), so you come here? again, just for you…lol

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh, I just saw the article in the around SB nation feed. Figured I’d be whitty, it was wrong.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno, dude

Cleveland was a pretty dismal place, but I live right between Baltimore and DC, and Baltimore is definitely the worst city I have ever visited. Worse than Philadelphia by a mile, believe it or not. Cleveland’s not even top five, not as nice as KC, which is a fairly decent city IMO.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 8, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah....

but KC kind of gets shit on…I like it…but it was voted like 13th worst place to live.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah and guess who comes in at #1

http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities_slide_2.html

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

That is the most subjective and idiotic list. It’s from Forbes.

FORBES!

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Baltimore and Pittsburgh are far worse places. Far worse.

Not really trying to seem like a bad troll, granted my first comment was out of line, but if someone brings up one of the worst things in football history (which was the Baltimore move) I’ll be kicking some ass.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

It's cool dude...Didn't mean to rub salt in the wound...

I dunno what I’d do if the Chiefs left….but at least the Browns came back (sorta)

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah sorta. If Art Modell is inducted, I’ll shoot someone.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Well he did bring a SB to the Ravens.And he'll get in eventually since he started the league with Lamar

Funny how that happened AFTER they left Cleveland.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Mar 8, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

He brought a SB within three years, clearly a Browns product not a Ravens product yet.

And Art almost ran the League into the ground and went against everything he ever said by moving Cleveland. He nearly killed the city.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Really you should be thanking us...

We make your team look legit last year.

You’re Welcome

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha but Jamal kicked our defenses ass.

Even.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 8, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Best Non-Trade this year

Pioli was unwilling to give up two picks in exchange for 5th (we already have 3). I was very pleased that the trade did not happen. First we are not going to the playoffs this year, the next year could be locked out, so how productive would the injury prone Boldin be at 32-33 years old, when we have a chance at post season.

Seems like a no-brainer.

by KC CZAR on Mar 8, 2010 9:33 AM CST reply actions  

Meh. I can live.

You build through the draft. We know this team isn’t going to be Super Bowl contender worthy for another few years. Can anyone honestly say that Boldin is still going to be pro bowl level talent when we hit that point? And if he is, for how long? 1-2 years?

I’d rather get a good player for 10 years than a pro bowl player for 4-5. Even if it’s more of a gamble. Boldin would be awesome for the Chiefs. But right now, we need every single pick we can get.

by Jon Yoon on Mar 8, 2010 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

we need every pick we can get

especially in this draft, which if played right, can turn our defense around immediately.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Boldin Is Not the Type of Receiver We Need

We need a speedy ‘take it to the house’ WR opposite Bowe, not another “possession” receiver. I realize the Chiefs receivers had the dropsies but some of that I put on Cassel and some I put on the o-line for getting shoved into Cassel’s lap.

The ideal WR for KC is a guy that does KR/PR/ and happens to be a solid deep threat. Boldin would have been a luxury but doesnt scare people over the top.

by Ryan in Nixa on Mar 8, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

Who are all these guys saying they're glad it didn't happen?

Seriously? Sure, maybe the compensation wasn’t worth it, but nobody can truly be glad we didn’t get a top 10 receiver in the league. I’m going to assume you guys mean “I’m glad we didn’t give up too much for him” instead of what appears to be rationalizing defeat.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 8, 2010 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

I do wish KC had obtained Boldin...and Rolle...and Houston

But yes, I’m against overpaying. Do I think Boldin’s worth more than the 88th-overall pick? Yeah, probably, even with whatever contract he was likely seeking. But I think Haley probably knows a whole lot more about what the guy’s worth than I do.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 8, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

he's worth it to Baltimore

a team who’d D is on it’s last legs & realize that this is probably the finale before the rebuilding cycle starts again. Boldin obviously doesn’t improve their D directly, but he’ll help keep them off the field for long stretches.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 8, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

just remember ... we're not Baltimore and this isn't the Peterson era

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

true

Sometimes a more complete team that has a rapidly closing window of opportunity can afford to overpay a little. Good point.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Mar 8, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

it makes perfect sense for baltimore

They’re doing it correctly. Build your team through the draft and polish it off with a couple big name free agents.

by RamX21 on Mar 8, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Justin, count me as one of the guys who is glad it didn't happen

you don’t have to rationalize a smart decision … yes, I suppose I do mean "I’m glad we didn’t give up too much for him" … anything that costs us a 3rd round or above draft pick is too much (IMNSHO)

then too, the NFL landscape is littered with the failures of various FAs who didn’t measure up to their reputations … to be sure, there are a few success stories, but the reality is that FAs rarely give back their investment

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm Saying That

It’s pretty easy to look awesome opposite Larry Fitzgerald. Ask Alvin Harper what playing across from a HoF WR will do…or ask Wes Welker for that matter.

I think Boldin has talent but his age, injury history, and foot speed do not make me stay up at night wishing he wore red and gold. Top 10 receiver he is not (anymore). In fact I’ll make a pre-season prediction that Boldin fails to break 70 catches or 1000 yards with Baltimore.

by Ryan in Nixa on Mar 8, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Asking price was too high...

If it was just a 3rd or 4th, I could see possibly making the deal but not both. This is the deepest draft in several years. There will be some great talent to be had in the 3rd and 4th round, particularly at the spot the Chiefs are drafting. Guys that would grade out to a 2nd round at least in a typical draft year. If it was any other year I would say Pioli would be nuts to not do the deal for Boldin. The situation being what it is, backing out after what the Ravens put on the table was a smart move.

by CapsLockKey on Mar 8, 2010 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

PETER KING IS AS PERPLEXED AS I AM

IT IS VERY HARD TO DRAFT WR’S-TEAMS SHOULD THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT ACQUIRING PROVEN PLAYERS WITH PICKS GOOD ARTICLE BELOW

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/teams-should-gladly-give-up-first-round-picks-for-proven-wideouts/

by CHEEFN58 on Mar 8, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions  

And teams should be cautious about being a top notch receivers second team...

…because they usually disappoint.

Roy Williams in Dallas
TJ Houshmanzadeh in Seattle
Deion Branch in Seattle
Randy Moss in Oakland

by CapsLockKey on Mar 8, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

kaching!

you got it, CapsLock

this team isn’t nearly good enough to take that kind of risk

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

forgiveness is granted

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

re

Boldin didn’t want to come to KC because him and Todd Haley didn’t get along in AZ.

by tenacious rdc on Mar 8, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

that's not true at all

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 8, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah not true

last season Boldin even said in a statement that he wouldnt mind playing for Haley.

by tomahawk44 on Mar 8, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Anquan went on record on NFL Network

and said he wasn’t willing to go to a team that wasn’t a contender. I think the Chiefs offered more than the Ravens, but Anquan was not willing to come to a contract agreement with the Chiefs. Not coming to a contract agreement was the deal breaker. No team was going to trade for him unless they could sign him to an extension right away. While many think AZ had all the power, Anquan had some say so in where he went. He chose Baltimore, and thats fine. Im glad we still have our 3rd and 4th round picks.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 8, 2010 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

ARE PEOPLE READING THIS?

He didn’t want to come here. No matter what pick we offered, it wouldn’t of mattered. The contract extension is the thing people are forgetting. I wasn’t the fact that we didn’t offer enough…

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 8, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't "perplex" me

Our team obviously didn’t think he was worth it…or he didn’t really want to come here. Or both. End of story.

I would have been fine with him here, and I’m fine with it that he’s not. Our guys know a helluva lot more about football than I do…so I’ll yield to their decisions.

 

by Scott B. on Mar 8, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

I was preaching this all weekend Joel

Personally I would of even given up my second 2nd round pick for Boldin and left no doubt that we got him. Boldin is a pro bowler that had 84 catches and over 1000 yrds last season. Which blows away any receiver on our team. Now tell me, is a rookie going to come in and have those kinds of numbers this yr?…Hell no…or next yr…..
People act like this is the last draft we are ever going to have. If we would have gotten Boldin, that tightens up our receiving corp, lights a fire under Bowes ass, and we have a good receiver here for the next 4-5 yrs…Boldin does not turn 30 until Oct…..then we can draft recievers in a yr or two….we need proven NFL caliber players here NOW….not developmental guys.
We CAN compete this yr……Oakland sucks,Denver is a mess, and the Chargers are on shakey ground with no run game right now, and they always come out of the gates slow…..8-8 won this division 2 yrs ago….we COULD compete this yr for a playoff spot….im not saying we win the super bowl, but just think of what a playoff game would do for this franchise and this fanbase……we should be using some of that money to get better instead of sitting on it and waiting for the next washed up player that was cut by some other team to fall in our laps.

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:01 AM CST reply actions  

It's not the last draft

but it’s one of the best potential ones in years. It’s one that could shape the franchise for years to come if Pioli hits it right. I’d rather they give up a 2nd in next years draft than a 3rd in this one. Plus who knows when the Chiefs will be picking in the top 5 of each round again.

by CapsLockKey on Mar 8, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

KCinAZ, I disagree with your assessments and philosophy

you’re welcome to your opinions, I just happen to disagree …

strongly

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree with ups

so what if we get Boldin? Cassel is sacked in .05 seconds before Bowe, Chamber, and Bolding would be off the line

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

thats ok....

i just firmly believe that a PROVEN player is better than a rookie that might flop.

And in all honesty, our last two first round draft picks, have not exactly been turning a whole lot of heads in the NFL..

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

well, remember this ...

a year ago the Chicago Bears firmly believed that a PROVEN player named Orlando Pace, was better than anyone else, FA or draft pick rookie who might flop …

… he’s already been released from the team, epic fail …

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Come on man...

Boldin and Pace are two very differnt players….big age difference

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

people are acting like Boldin is old

The guy is 29 right now……i mean come on. Had 84 catches and over a 1000 yrds in 13-14 games last yr……the guy has plenty left to give

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

for the record ...

Orlando Pace was 32 years of age when the Bears signed him … Boldin will be 30 by the time the season begins

so 2 years is a big age difference? then what about a drafted rookie who is 22 or 23 years old?

remember, too, that Boldin has been a bit injury prone

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Apples to different kinds of Apples

320lb lineman 220lb WR have different shelf lives…..Pace was done and almost everyone knew it….Boldin has at the very least 3 great years left.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Re: Boldin vs. Pace

A good example, but where I’ll disagree with you is on shelf life. Many o-linemen play to a very high level past the age of 30. It’s because a lot of your ability is based on good technique and experience, whereas at receiver, it’s largely about pure athleticism. Once you start losing that athleticism, you start becoming much less productive.

There are a million Willie Roafs and Walter Jones and Will Shields who play well into their 30’s. How many 30+ year old receivers turn in 1,000+ yard seasons? How many 32+ year old? How many 34+ year old? Not very many.

I’ll ask this again. How soon to people think KC can be a Super Bowl contender, with or without Boldin? Not just a borderline 8-8 playoff team. A team that legitimately contends for the Super Bowl? My guess is at least 2-3 years. So basically, you’re getting the most productive years out of Boldin in years where we’re not Super Bowl competitive. At the most, Boldin can give you 1 maybe 2 years on a Super Bowl calibre team (in a very optimistic scenario). And it’s very possible that before that point, he starts to hit a decline.

A rebuilding team should focus on building through the draft, not giving up picks for players who help you a lot more today than they do 3-5 years from today.

by Jon Yoon on Mar 8, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll agree...

Boldin might not be the final piece to help us win a SB…but he might help us win a couple extra games (remember as of right now the Chiefs don’t have a reciever than can actually catch the football) I’m not sure a 3rd rounder helps us win now…infact what % of 3rd round guys ever have the impact Boldin does…a pretty low %, lot’s of misses before you find one.

Winning more games does wonders for a franchise. We don’t have to draft guys in the top 5, it’s easier to lure good FA’s to a winning team, and just in general I’m happier winning more than losing,

I know Boldin doesn’t help us win the SB next year but theres much more to it than that…..especially being a fan of a team that hasn’t won one in 40 years.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

not to mention what it would do for

the confidence of Matt Cassel to actually throw a ball to a reciever and he catch it….

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

yes 2 yrs makes a difference..

when your a 300 pound LT…and didnt he tear his ACL once….

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

this year we are going to be drafting

solid NEED players. Lineman, LB, Safety. These are positions that are a lot less likely to flop as opposed to say WR’s and QB’s

by RamX21 on Mar 8, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

when your team sets records for dropped passes...

WR is a pretty big need…Cassel needs a dependable weapon. And Boldin is great after the catch,knows Haleys system, and is a warrior on the field…..we need some veteran leadership for this young team as well. He has playoff and SB experience and a winning attitude.

If we gave up a second rounder for him, no way AZ could have turned that down. And we would still have a full arsenal of draft picks….thats all im saying.

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Cassel needs a good offensive line

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hi, Mo!
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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

no i agree we need a receiver who can catch

but you have to build a foundation for the house before you can put all the fancy finish work in

by RamX21 on Mar 8, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree we need O Line

but thats not what we are talking about….If there was a Pro bowl lineman that could have been had for the same asking price I would make that move too…or just about ANY major position of need. Why take chances with a draft pick when you can use that pick to bring in a guy that has ALREADY proved he can play at a pro bowl level in this league????
And you guys need to hear what im saying….Im not talking about trading away all our draft picks and building a team through free agency…Im saying that you can use a draft pick here and there to bring in proven talent….just like we did last yr when we aquired Cassel and Vrable. Cassel was at the bottom of the league in stats and still has a whole lot to learn and get better at.
Vrable, well, he could have retired this yr and nobody would have blamed him….we just gave him 3 mil and he was hurt part of last season, has lost a step and totalled two whole sacks yesterday…….so Why is giving up our 2B for Boldin so crazy?

Would you guys be throwing a fit if Pioli made that deal?…I think not

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

me personally

i just think that our first 4 picks in this years draft are more important than anyone available. I’m sure next year there will be another shiny big name WR on the market. I think using draft picks to bring in proven talent is great, i think baltimore made an awesome move, but it wouldn’t have helped us as much as having 2 more draft picks.

by RamX21 on Mar 8, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess we will see in the long run...

but my proposal was for the Chiefs to use the second 2nd round pick we have
1st rd
2nd rd
2b …..Boldin
3rd rd

I ask you, whats wrong with that?

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

You guys....

Im not saying trade ALL our draft picks!!!!!!!….trade one, that brings in a pro bowler!…thats it!

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

nick wright

is saying right now that the Chiefs in fact made a better offer. He said they offered up a 3rd which is a much higher third than the ravens. The Ravens got a fourth but got back a fifth.

Interesting

by dwil2009 on Mar 8, 2010 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

Maybe Haley just doesnt want Boldin...

did u ever see the big shouting match they got into during their SB run….

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

why would the team make a HIGHER offer for a player the HC doesn't want?

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by upamtn on Mar 8, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

true...

i should have thought that through before i wrote it…lol

But they were at eachothers throats at one time

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

If this is true...

Pioli made the right move to stop at a 3rd… even to me that is a little high for where we are picking in this years draft.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Mar 8, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

That just says

the Chiefs made a higher offer initally. I bet once they had their 3rd on the table the Ravens one upped them with the 4th and the Chiefs dropped out after that. Just a 3rd for Bolding would have been decent.

by CapsLockKey on Mar 8, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

The price was apparently too high for the Chiefs

I would be a little hesitant to trade for Boldin when you know most likely you will not get a full season out of him. He seems to be injury prone. Still it is perplexing to see the Chiefs do nothing so far. I guess we need to be patient and hope they do something.

by KC GMan on Mar 8, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

Regardless of what they end up doing...

I hope it works out. I already miss FOOTBALL!

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

contract

Didn’t they also announce Boldin had signed a new contract with Balt? Could it be that the Chiefs were not able to hammer out a contract with him as easily as the Ravens did so the Cards took the trade they could make now?

by tybme on Mar 8, 2010 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Until official word comes out that we were even involved I have to believe we were just used as leverage.

Like everyones said here it doesnt make any sense how we got left out. We had the better offer if it was our third round pick and Pioli wouldve known what kind of money he was looking at before he even got involved so I cant see that factoring in.

The only other thing that could make some sense was that Arizona already negotiated the Kerry Rhodes trade and wanted another 4th rounder to make that trade happen but even that is a pretty weak reason to take a lesser offer.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Mar 8, 2010 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

Boldin may be good but he is a punk

He was crying for more money before his contract was up . he is just a diva that wants money . I am glad we did not get him save our picks .

CHIEFS fan 4 life

by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Mar 8, 2010 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

Boldin did what every player

that has OUTPLAYED his contract does…he asked for more money…and he was worth it…The Cards are just cheap and wouldnt give it to him because they knew they had him by the balls…..Now with one yr left on his contract they know they have to get something out of him…thays why they traded him…if he finished out the season he would be free to walk….this way they get a couple picks for him an lose his salary this yr…..He signed a decent deal after being the team leader and Probowler, then they signed Fitz to a huge contract that more than doubld Boldins….thats gotta sting…it also has to sting to look across the league and see 10 other receivers that you are outplaying getting paid more than you….Did he sign the contract ..yes…but most teams that are loyal to their star players will up his deal…Cards basically told him FU….and even after that he still hit the field, never held out or bitched after the season started so he was not a distraction for his team……and put up great numbers…I dont think he is a PUNK at all.

by KCinAZ on Mar 8, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm...Let me see if I have this straight...

In Boldin’s first televised public comments regarding his trade, he expressed a desire to go to a team that is ready to win championships and was happy that he got that.

PR message: I got to go to the best team and I’m really glad. Is it true? We’ll never know because statements like this are pure PR and he would have said the same thing if it was the Patriots. And if KC was the choice it would have been “I’m really glad to join Coach Haley again and help get this team to the playoffs!”

He knows the PR game and that is exactly what every player says upon arriving with their new team. Remember when Tony G went to Atlanta…Same exact statement.

How often do you hear players say “Boy I sure wish I could have gone to a good team, but I’m stuck here now, so let’s see if we can win.”

It seems lots of folks are reading Boldin’s words as a criticism of KC and that is not correct. He was simply polishing up his image for his new fans by saying that he is on a great team and he is glad to be making the move. Simple really.

by RrustyDawg on Mar 8, 2010 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

I'm glad we didn't get him for a 2nd.

Constantly injured and disgruntled and declining production = bad combination.

by EyePod on Mar 8, 2010 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

Constantly Injured?

He missed 17 games in 7 seasons. That’s a little over 2 1/2 game a season. He had his face broken in NY a few years ago and only missed two games. Most guys would’ve missed the rest of the season after that. He’s one of the most physical WR’s in the game and gets banged up a little. That’s life in the NFL when you play that way.

Declining production? He averaged 86 receptions in his first three seasons. 86 in his last two. Say what?

Disgruntled? Being disgruntled in Arizona is a way of life, due in large part to the cheapness of the Bidwill’s. Boldin’s long been considered one of the most repected members of the team by his teammates. That’s really all that matters.

Teams can never have enough guys as tough and respected and accomplished as an Anquan Boldin.

by GeoMak on Mar 8, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad we "Lost out"

A high 3rd would have been too much for Boldin, an old 29, on the dowslide, who is injury prone. I’m glad Pioli is in charge, because Carl would have gladly given up a #1, or #2, and signed him to a 6 year, 50 million dollar contract to appease the whiners. Then he would have had to be cut in year 2 or 3 when he was finsihed.

by dablueguy on Mar 8, 2010 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

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