Chiefs List Of Needs Is Long But Inside Linebacker Might Be Tops
by Joel Thorman on Mar 7, 2010 7:57 PM CST
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Bob Gretz of BobGretz.com has been covering the Kansas City Chiefs and pro football for over 30 years which means he's just about seen it all. And after talking with Mr. Gretz a few times throughout the season and reading his work on BobGretz.com, it's fair to say the man knows football.
So, when he says the Chiefs number one priority this offseason should be addressing the linebackers, I listen.
Gretz was asked what the single most important position for the Chiefs to upgrade this offseason and said, "The Chiefs must improve their defense, especially their run defense and if they can’t find a big bouncer in the middle who can shut down the A gaps and flow to the B and C gaps then there’s going to be constant problems in handing the opponent’s run game."
The numbers back him up on this one. The Chiefs defense was 31st against the rush last season.
As for the number one inside linebacker in the draft? Rolando McClain out of Alabama, coached by Nick Saban, who is a former colleague of Mr. Scott Pioli.
Great player + position of need + familiarity = a Chiefs draft pick, right?
Not so fast at the fifth pick, Gretz says.
"He’s coming out of the Nick Saban defense and that’s always going to get teams like the Chiefs excited," Gretz writes. "If Pioli can make a deal and move out of No. 5 to say … No. 10, McClain would be perfect for a ticket to Kansas City."
However, Gretz also points out that it wouldn't be the first time the Chiefs GM "reached" for a player at the top of the draft.
Check out a lot more interesting insight on the Combine and other Chiefs draft related stuff over at BobGretz.com.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
How much was your monthly stipend?
I sent two Raccoon pelts and a Gator skin.
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by KCinIL on Mar 7, 2010 8:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So which football website did you blow up now?
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I respectfully disagree.
I think having a nose tackle is more important. Gotta build at the line first. Our linebackers are serviceable. Especially if DJ steps up.
The LB's are far from serviceable...
Especially the inside linebackers. Mays and Williams are both garbage.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Williams and Mays are horrible, yes
We can’t bank on DJs “potential”. All he has shown us that he can have one good game in a contract year. That is all.
Williams is serviceable and Mays needs to be a backup
DJ needs an Attitude adjustment.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Williams needs to be a back up, and Mays needs 2 more years of coaching before hes ready to back up anyone
DJ’s attitude is fine, but he can’t do his job as a QB spy/shallows coverage playmaker without a stay at home run stuffer standing next to him.
NT is a huge need for sure. ILB runstuffer/QB blitzer is ‘almost’ as big of a need. And since we don’t seem to be in a position to get the NT, I’ll take the ILB.
Safety is way way too deep in this draft to be falling in love with Berry
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McClain lover! ;)
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Tex, then it's settled ... Spoon!
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Id take anyone..and I mean ANYONE...
that could step onto the field, KNOW the playbook inside and out, read the o, call the plays, stuff the run in the middle at the line (not 7 yards past it) and rush the QB….
It doesnt have to be McClain. I just happen to believe that McClain stands head and shoulders above every other 34 ILB in the draft, especially as it pertains to Crennels system and style of 3-4
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But at the same time...
A good nosetackle that can push the pocket and take up blockers frees up those LBs to make more plays….same for the Defensive backs…with quicker pressure on the QB, the DB do not have to cover as long, which has been a huge problem in KC for yrs….
exactly
wilfork, hampton ngata….
only reason the linebackers are so good.
add berry to run the D and it would be awesome u think?
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 8, 2010 2:43 AM CST up reply actions
i really dont wanna pass up on berry
argue with me all you want but berry is that good of a player and can make an impact like … sean taylor, ed reed, troy palamalu, etc. I also think that DJ can be alright. but one reason our ILBs played so poorly this season was because of our NT problem
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Cassel can lead us.
I think Tyson Jackson at #3 was a bigger reach than McClain would be at #5
Just my opinion.
I do think ILB is a big need. Is it #1? I’m not sure. I would say NT and interior O-line (RG, C) are probably more pressing needs. Unfortunately, we are going to have to reach at #5 on somebody to fill those needs, unless Okung, Suh, or G. McCoy miraculously falls to #5.
Of course trading down will be our first choice. I think that is what most teams want to do, especially with a draft this deep — stockpile picks. Just like last year, I don’t forsee us finding any willing parties.
Anybody we pick is going to be a reach
I would just rather reach at a more critical position. If it was me I would take an OT, but I’d be fine taking a NT or LB
by KCinIL on Mar 7, 2010 8:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
NT
if resolved then ILB or Secondary or Okung
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Hmmmm.
Well, If someone like Suh isn’t available, then McClain is the best choice, Odds are still in favor of Suh not being available, and remember, Verdict is still out on T Jax, and he was a three pick. McClain would be a great answer at a position we desperately NEED. Am I saying ignore NT, No, but…McClain would be more value for the buck, we could get more picks if we trade back, and there are still some very good NT’s that will be available at the later points in the draft (Ala Troup) On top of that, we could very easily trade out of five for, to the ten spot for a first and a second rounder. Troup is very likely going to be better than Ron Edwards.
by BetterRedThanDead on Mar 7, 2010 8:06 PM CST reply actions
What about Linval Joseph
Good size and did like 44 rep’s, i think. I don’t know much about him, but he could be gotten in the 3rd or 4th round.
BRTD ... I dunno about that ...
while I agree Suh will be gone, it’s your next line that I disagree with (slightly)
If someone like Suh isn’t available, then McClain is the best choice
the more I read about and think about Spoon, the more I like him … and Berry wouldn’t be a bad choice either …
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My only concern with Berry
Is that, while we need a safety, It would be sort of like getting a QB. Without a decent interior line, NT and ILB, a decent safety is sort of a moot point. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Berry, or anything, just, It seems a better option to grab more picks and shore up our interior line first. Can anyone give me some more info on Spoon? I’d like to read up on him.
by BetterRedThanDead on Mar 8, 2010 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
we need our troy p.
and a LOT BETTER NT to make the 3-4 work the way steelersdo it…
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 8, 2010 2:46 AM CST up reply actions
Go linebacker with 2a or 2b...
Someone like Brandon Spikes might be around at 2a. Or even look at trading up to bottom of first to grab him. We need to get value for the #5 pick, and it’s not there at ILB.
Maybe Gretz thinks
McClain
Spikes
Cody
Which is possible
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So o-line in the third?
No problem with any of these players, but the investment in Cassel has to be protected. I’m not saying we spend the #5 pick on the o-line, but help needs to come at some point.
Unlike NT or RB and maybe WR I see no reason to double down on ILB
OT/OG and a Center should be sufficient and if Okung is there I would now take him and be quite happy. Let Muir and Weis do there thing and put the best line together possible.
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guards and centers can be picked up in later rounds
good ones at that. All we really need for the oline is a center anyway. the blocking is improving now that they are understanding the system and working together more.
ILB
Is also the easier position on the field to fill.
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In the article Bob did put these down(which I assume his order of preference according to need.
“On defense they need a nose tackle, two inside linebackers, one outside linebacker, another cornerback and two safeties.”
Also I’ll listen to his opinion of Alabama LB’s that have been considered a reach by Chiefs fans.
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Notice how Bob, rightfully, did not list LT in his list of 15 needs. Yet some want the Chiefs to draft a LT with #5, which would be crazy, IMO.
Yep
Since he was talking about defense and all…
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yep...
I don’t think too many people are saying that LT is one of the biggest positions of need, but rather that perhaps the best way to upgrade the O line would be by moving Albert to LG and drafting a stud LT.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
That’s a HUGE gamble, since Albert has already proven he can play LT in the NFL, and any incoming rookie hasn’t. And then you also have to hope Albert can play LG in the NFL. Why gamble so much, when you can draft the best or 2nd best Guard in the draft in round 2, plug him in, and you’re set, and you’ve also plugged anoyther hole in round 1 with the best S, ILB, or NT in the draft.
That's okay...
If you want to settle for an average LT. I think after watching Roaf might have spoiled me, but I really value a dominate LT, and that aint Albert.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Haley disagrees, and so do I. I think Albert is already above average, and the way he closed the season, on his way to being a stellar LT. Albert is ALOT closer to being a dominant NFL LT that some college LT. Doubt if any of them become Roaf.
Then I wonder why Haley was talking about Alberts "versatility" lately....
I’m not saying your wrong, but really you have no idea what Haley really thinks about the guy based on an off the cuff remmark he made months ago.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
I like what I see in Albert
He’s progressing nicely…and the reason he didn’t come in dominant was because LT was a new position for him. I think we’ll like the maturity we see in him this coming season.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 7, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
In that part he was talking first... offense, and then defense.
He actually went on about offense more in the paragraph… but I believe he thinks that defense is a major concern(probably most important).
Go Chiefs!!!!
Would agree with Gretz
Basically Ron Edwards, Mays, Williams, DJ, Vrable, Carr, Brown, and McGraw shouldn’t all be starters on D. Perhaps a combination of a couple of thoes guys would be alright, but not all of them. These guys should all be candidates to be replaced. ( At least as starters)
Dorsey, Jackson, Hali, and Flowers might all be guys that should start, but the jury is still out on a couple of these guys even. (in particular Jackson.)
There is a reason they were 31st in the league in D.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
So just Brown needs to be replaced?
he alone made the D that bad?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
draft is deep on defense
Plus if we are looking to upgrade the offense with guys like thomas jones or fargas, there needs to be help on the o-line in a big way.
by golfbard on Mar 7, 2010 8:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
please explain further
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we can afford to wait on D
Versus reaching…
by golfbard on Mar 7, 2010 8:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yes we don't need to reach very far
I agree
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Oline needs to get better this year. No exceptions.
Do we have guys right now that can do that? Probably. But JC can make do with the zone blocking scheme they implemented late in the year. Fargas and Jones may need a little better blocking. And goal line is goal line. Zone blocking doesn’t work so well down there.
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zone blocking
correct me if Im wrong but hasn’t jones ran behind zone blocking before?
8-8 is possible in 2010 and it wont take breaking the bank on 2nd tear free agents getting lucrative contracts because the free agent pool is so weak this year!
by Chieffan_Toby on Mar 7, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
O Line yes, LT no. As Bob said, we need help at G and C, and those should be addressed, starting with round 2.
We were going to address that I think
in a big way suggests that Thomas and Fargas would need more than what Charles was able to run behind.
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if we do get Okung and put him at LT, then Albert moves to LG and that side of the line is solid for a decade
that’s my reasoning on Okung … yes we can get other OLine on round 2 … we can also get NT or S in round 2 as well
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by upamtn on Mar 7, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nate Allen and Terrence Cody
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But we already have a solid, young LT, and it would be foolish, IMO, to draft another one who “may” be as good as Albert, and start moving guys around. Albert excelling at LG is hardly a sure thing, but we already know he has the ability to do so at LT because he already has. It would be a whole lot smarter, IMO, to draft a Guard in round 2, and have him team with Albert to be solid for a decade, and draft a real need, like Berry, McClain, or Dan Williams in round 1.
dablue ... I won't argue with ya on that ... though McClain kind of bothers me a bit ...
Berry I’d be very happy with …
and Steve, no thank you on Cody
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He is a mother loving pound or two of NT :)
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After the combines, Berry has definitely moved ahead of McClain on my list. But they are both waaaaaaaay ahead of LT, which isn’t even on my(or Gretz’s) list, and hopefully not on Pioli’s either.
dablue - serious question for you here ...
your honest opinion on any given highly rated OT playing either RT or OG?
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Don’t know. It varies with each person. Albert is athletic, with good feet, and those types excel at LT. Guard and RT is usually is a different body type than he has now. More road grader, bulkier types. He’s never played on the right side, and I know McIntosh was bad at LT, but HORRIBLE at RT. Point is, we know Albert can be a very good, maybe even great(Haley thinks sky’s the limit) LT in the NFL, and you don’t move such a young guy out of that position, for a “maybe” at LT, and a “maybe” that he can play another position. We have enough real needs that can be filled at #5 to not start such an experiment.
If Okung was there Albert and Okung could battle it out for awhile
loser battles O’Callahan, losers moves to swing tackle or RG.
Can all be handled in preseason line is stronger.
We would still need that Center/Guard candidate.
Pouncey or another to do the same thing from the inside out.
Niswanger vs Center candidate. Loser moves to guard battle and
in the end we have some serious depth on the o-line for years.
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if we got Okung, Albert can indeed move to LG as that's where he played in college
that anchors the left side … blind side … for a decade
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But he’s a natural NFL LT. What he played in college isn’t as relevant as what he’s played, and done well at, in the NFL. The only reason you would ever move a young LT to another position is if he couldn’t play LT( likeGallery)
you mean the way a young Brian Waters was moved from C to G?
and drafted out of college as a TE if I recall
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Brian Waters was moved around because he was a failure, and they, and he were trying to salvage an NFL career, which they did when he moved to G. He also put on tons of weight from college. None of that applies to Albert because he’s a very good prospect at LT already, who has shown flashes of excellence there.
By that logic, we should move Waters to TE, since he played it in college??
It's a different position
Tackles aren’t tackles just because they’re the “biggest and best” linemen on a team, necessarily, but because they match the physical skill-set demanded by that position.
Playing tackle is much more about your feet and ability to set quickly and move laterally. Having great feet is somewhat wasted at guard, because you don’t have to mirror or kick slide in such a wide area. Playing guard is more about “playing in a phone booth” and, in some cases, being athletic enough to pull/trap/scoop/etc. You can have average feet and good knee bend and technique and be a great guard, but not a tackle.
or perhaps a upgrade at RT over O'Call?
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hey...anyone we bring in at virtually any position
who could challenge for the starting job or take it outright will make a difference for the team. I like O’Cal personally. In fact the whole O’line improved drastically toward the end of the season; though it was far from perfect. Obviously with the voids there now we must fill them and challenge those starters. However the powers that be can get it done, I’ll be happy with.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 7, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
The result in that scenario will be added wins
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 7, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
true except ... we do a lot of zone blocking (and I assume Weis will also want to pull and shift some)
so that said … someone with the size, strength and athleticism of Okung or Campbell could play either position … no? Campbell, for example, a VERY strong dude and yet can move as well … that wouldn’t be a major upgrade?
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A major upgrade over Albert???? Not in any way, shape, or form, IMO. And you don’t draft any other OL position at #5 except LT, and we don’t need one. And we don’t know if any of those guys, or Albert, could play another position in the NFL, but it’s moot because you don’t draft another OL position that high.
Campbell has bust written all over him, IMO. Was a mediocre player on tape, and shined at the combine. an Al Davis special. Okung will probably be a very good LT in the NFL, but we already have a guy that’s better now, and at least as good going forward.
I meant major upgrade for the OLine in general ...
and I think Campbell likely COULD play LG … or RT for that matter
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I don’t think moving Albert off LT and playing a rookie at LT would be an upgrade at all, more of a downgrade and “maybe” equality in a couple of years IF the rookie works out and Albert can play a different position. I’d rather keep Albert where he’s proven he can play in the NFL, and draft the other positions with players that have played those positions, and project to those positions.
I don’t want any part of Campbell. boom or bust.
Generally speaking, guys that are "high cut", tall (6'5" or 6'6"+) with long arms and legs
Don’t play at guard, no matter how athletic, strong, and talented they are.
It’s just the wrong body type. Especially if you want to utilize them in a zone blocking scheme where you need to get low and push guys with lower centers of gravity out to make a cutback lane.
fair enough, ty
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Of course
As has been noted many times, Albert played guard in college and he’s not exactly short.
Sometimes just depends on scheme.
there ya go ...
and a Campbell, for example, might be an upgrade at RT if not LT …
and as you and others have noted: Haley talked about Albert’s versatility … and … we have no idea what Weis will want, ultimately … and/or how much he’ll be in Pioli’s ear
plus, a good deal of it will likely be based on who’s available … not to mention possible trades that you have to factor in
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Maybe Center
Campbell may be able to play center…remember Don Mosebar from Oakland years ago? He was 6’9" and well cut like Campbell. He moved from being an All American T at USC to C as a pro. Powell’s quickness may be an asset if he is able to learn the C position.
Just saying there are options with a guy like that…you can’t teach speed and quickness very often. Heck, he may make a good blocking TE!!!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 7, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Although with Campbell's quickness and speed
he would make a good pulling guard IF
He figures out a way to get those long legs to bend when he stays home.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 7, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
one thing about Campbell: he *IS* strong
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Not piling on here, my brain just recalls things in random spurts
One of the things about Campbell that they kept mentioning is his lack of physicality in run blocking, which is a problem at either right tackle or any inside position.
So was Tank Tyler and Vernon Ghoulston, who may be the defensive equivalent of Campbell. workout warrior, amazing measurables, but a football player????
Thomas Jones has also been said to be a workout warrior.
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how about this guy in 2nd round ... move to G
Anthony Davis 6’6, 330 pounds Rutgers
Davis made a smooth transition from guard to tackle last season, starting 11 games and earning all-conference honors. One of the top recruits in school history, Davis is a very good run blocker thanks to his frame that is powerful throughout. Against the pass rush, he does well redirecting rushers to the far outside
Walter Football updated Feb. 28, 2010
Davis is a massive blocker with some athleticism. He’s an intriguing prospect. Anthony Davis’ 21 bench press reps weren’t a big deal because he was considered more of an athletic tackle. However, Davis didn’t exactly look too athletic on Saturday, running a 5.35 and looking stiff in the drills. Bryan Bulaga could be ahead of him
slow but strong, fairly typical G and good vs run … just a thought
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Certainly sounds like a better fit than
Campbell. Just depends on who is looking at him at tackle in the first round possibly.
I could live with that
1 Berry (S) or Spoon (LB)
2a Davis (G)
2b ??? (Defense)
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Spoon with our first pick?
the guy is a 43 OLB, just like DJ. No thanks to spoon at 5.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
my thought is along those lines...
draft okung, give BA one more year at LT. put okung at RT which i believe he played in college for a few years. if we dont see improvement in BA, we have okung to move to LT in his second season. BA takes LG or moves to RT.
still, i dont think we should draft okung but if it happened, thats what i would want to see.
by MountainManMike on Mar 7, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Albert played LG in college ... I could see Campbell at RT ... or Anthony Davis at LG
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i agree with this strategy
One pick solves two positions if you go LT in rd 1. Get a NT and safety in rd 2 as u said.
by golfbard on Mar 7, 2010 8:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, it only solves one position, because there is a LT in place
Drafting Okung with the 5th pick and moving Albert inside is essentially taking a guard at that spot unless you believe Okung is leaps and bounds above Albert.
Draft a guard in round 2 or 3 and you’ve addressed the same issue for a fraction of the value.
The biggest question is do you think Okung is an All-Pro LT or is he just a good tackle that’s available.
by RedNose on Mar 7, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
to be honest, there are two guys I think that could be all world LTs
the following excerpts are from mockingthedraft (updated back in Oct) and from waltersfootball (updated a week ago)
Russell Okung | 6’5, 300 pounds | Oklahoma State
What makes Okung good is his initial first step and an excellent kick slide. In the running game, Okung finishes off his blocks really well
Walter Football updated Feb. 28, 2010
Lions would be wise to draft him No. 2 overall. But regardless of what happens there, Okung is not making it past the Chiefs at No. 5
Bruce Campbell | 6’7, 310 pounds | Maryland
Campbell is a natural left tackle who might be the most athletic offensive lineman in the class. He has good length to handle speed rushers and is a better run blocker than most think
Walter Football updated Feb. 28, 2010
Bruce Campbell is officially a “great player.” Campbell ran a 4.85 at the Combine, which unquestionably got Al Davis’ attention. It’ll be a huge upset if Campbell isn’t drafted No. 8 overall
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Okung looks decent to me. But I don't see him being significantly better than Albert.
I haven’t seen Campbell at all, but all anyone is saying is that he’s a freak but the tape on him isn’t great. The next Tony Mandarich?
Campbell is a monster!
Did you see him standing next to J. Looney in the interview? My goodness!
He’s fast, quick feet and a near perfect human specimen…not much body fat.
However, I haven’t seen any game film on him….so wouldn’t know how good Campbell really is.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 7, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Well, hopefully, at least
He’s not on da Juice like Mandarich was.
But, yes, the consensus has been that he’s got “Looks like Tarzan, Plays Like Jane” disease.
We got that guy
Barry Richardson
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but..
With Albert at Tackle and Water’s at guard the left side is already solid.
The problems start at Center and move to the Right. That plan would fix what ins’t broke, and leave broken what needs fixing
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Thank you TC.
I seriously do not understand this kind of logic.
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solid for a year or so, but Waters is not getting younger. last I looked ...
… pretty much any improvement on the OLine is … well … an improvement
I’d be happy with a 2a OLine pick … Anthony Davis of Rutgers, for example, would make a fine LG
then we can still get Berry or Spoon in 1st Round … and a NT with 2b
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Id be happy with improvement to our O-Line too
But the higher rounders need to be used to fix whats broken…the Center, RG and RT….
We can get later round projects to coach up for a couple years behind Waters if you think he has that left. I see no point in blowing the wad of a high draft pick on a position we don’t have an immediate NEED for, when we have so many immediate NEEDS to fill.
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Spoon
upamtn u sure like spoon… guess I need to do my research on him.
8-8 is possible in 2010 and it wont take breaking the bank on 2nd tear free agents getting lucrative contracts because the free agent pool is so weak this year!
by Chieffan_Toby on Mar 8, 2010 2:35 AM CST up reply actions
wow ... interesting stuff, ty Joel
however, some of our respected colleagues here on AP (hrmills for one) will argue that (on Defense) the priorities are Secondary-NT and that LB is down the list (his argument is that a shutdown DLine and shutdown Secondary makes the LB corps far less important, and that does stand to reason
plus, as many of us also know, we need OLine improvement as well … obviously we can’t get ALL our weaknesses addressed at one time (though we’d all love to) … sure, I’d love to get Suh AND Berry AND Okung AND a few others … it just isn’t gonna happen
I wouldn’t be upset with Berry as first pick, though I’d rather have Okung … face it, there are a LOT of guys in this draft who, if they pan out, would help us this year … I can see 3 or even 4 starters coming out of a draft this deep and talented (and with a smart trade down from the #5 slot, even another ontop of that)
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Yes
and due to you and Mills and many more I can see a plan for any of the top picks. All will help us in 2010 and beyond. I have grown comfortable numb on the plan for the Chiefs. As many have stated I was a novice Football fan before AP. Now I watch Line play and not just the ESPN hilite shots. I know 3-4 and 4-3 and stunts and blitzes, Shallows MY God what a great Chess match Football is.
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Steve, now I'm wondering if this LB thing from Gretz isn't part of some Chiefs "misinformation" plan designed to make OTHER teams THINK we want LBs
… hey, ya never know!
yah, so many good players out there this year, I think Pioli could throw darts at a list on the wall and hit at least a couple that would help us … of course, that’s also because we have so many places where damn near anyone is an upgrade
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If you are looking at clues, and I would caution against reading too much into things, consider this. Gretz mentioned several players as impressive but didn’t mention McClain. He only spoke about McClain when specifically asked about him. When he did, he praised McClain as much as the others.
Merlinnj
I have been around Gretz ohh 25 years or so
Gretz has the inside sources but he is a reporter first and has been for oh 20+ years.
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I really am beginning to think Pioli is not going ILB at #5
it is possible (upamtn) that Weatherspoon or Spikes falls to that 2b spot.
would would much better fit the salary structure of an ILB.
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I'd love Spoon
so long as we get OLine at 2A … sure
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just an FYI on Spoon
from walterfootball, updated 3/2
Weatherspoon is unquestionably the top linebacker in this class after Rolando McClain.
now, he is OLB … think that’s a huge concern? I don’t …
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this is going to sound stupid but maybe we need herm Edwards to come in and help us ace this draft!
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by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 7, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
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Here's a fun fact for ya
I was reading a book today written by Ron Vanderlinden, who has been the linebackers coach at Penn State since 2001. The book is about the base defenses that they use there, the Eagle and the Stack, which for lack of a longer explanation are sortof a hybrid 4-4/3-4 look with one-gap principles in the front 7.
Anyway, one of the positions is the “rush end”, which he notes Tamba Hali was an All-American playing. But the interesting thing is that it’s not a pure d-end position, as they sometimes have the rush end play from a two-pt stance and even drop out to cover the flat in some situations. Sound familiar?
Just thought that was pretty interesting.
+1
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by Chieffan_Toby on Mar 7, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
If we go ILB we should go Weatherspoon
If we’re gonna reach let’s go with weatherspoon from mu. Or Mt. Cody after all mcclain wouldn’t be anything without him in front of him. Spikes would be good too. We should trade up and get Suh, or Berry.
we won't need to trade up to get Berry ... not the way things look right now
that, of course, could change
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Im not so down on Demorrio.
I would disagree that he shouldnt be a starter. He’s more then capable as an ILB in a 3-4. I think people instantly think about the Ray Lewis’ and Patrick Willis’ of the league and have too high of expectations. I do agree however that we need a new starting ILB whoever it is to play alongside DWill.
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Demorrio would be fine
If he could get someone reliable next to him that is also big and physical enough to take on guards and fullbacks and allow Williams a chance to make a tackle behind, at, or close to the line of scrimmage.
That’s one of those “invisible” stats. It just says 100 tackles, it doesn’t say where they happened and that’s incredibly important.
Agreed, Sort of.
Demorrio is a little light both in physique and playing style to be lined up inside with guys like DJ and Mays.
Even if he had a Channing Crowder type beside him, I still don’t like him as much more than a Nickel LB on a good defense.
As a sub and special teamer though, I think he’s ideal.
Well, yes, he's not ideal by any stretch
But he can at least be counted on to put his hat on the man with the ball. And to me, that’s about the best thing you do as an inside linebacker.
I'd say
“if” we could trade down, I’d take either a NT like Dan Williams, or WR Dez Bryant with the 1st. With the additional 2nd rounder I’d use it on Spikes if he’s there. We could possibly snag Ducasse and Cam Thomas that way. Plus Myron Rolle would be a steal in the 4th so we’d have at least one solid Safety.
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I don't think it will be all that difficult to find an upgrade
If Studebaker can step up, or if a good OLB is drafted in round 2 or 3 to man the strong outside spot, Vrabel could move in to an inside spot, which would make the unit a lot more sturdy. His best days in NE he was playing both positions, but a lot more ILB if I recall correctly.
Anyway, my point is even with all the needs we have, I think that an upgrade over DW isn’t a difficult task, but he’s by no means a disaster if they have to use him as a starter next season.
The Sudenator
played well when he filled in for Vrabel. I’ve heard he’s not honed his pass rushing skills yet though.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 7, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Completely agree
We seem to want DJ to stay so he’s probably a starter next year. But a guy like Rolando next to him could definitely help, not only DJ but the entire D. He gets everyone in position to make the play, one reason why Alabama D was so good this year.
rather have Spoon than McClain ... just my opinion
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by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 7, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
BERRY, HUGHES, GILYARD, TROUP!
Im disliking McClain more and more. Yes he’s smart, high football IQ, etc…but he is slow, and doesnt attack. He is a read, react, and wait LB. He doesnt blow up plays like Ray Lewis, P Willis to name a few.
You do NOT take an ILB with the 5th pick
Say no to McClain.
You do NOT take a safety with the 5th pick either, say no to Berry
… you see how dumb making ‘positional’ rules for draft picks is?
You know what the #1 position for highest bust rate as a top 10 pick is…all time?
Quarterback.
So that means no one should ever take a QB with a top 5 pick either, right?
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ummmmmmmmm ... you don't? and why, pray tell, don't you take an ILB with 5th pick?
I mean, if that’s your biggest need and there’s a concensus on a given ILB being worth it … why not?
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I agree with you there,
id take a ILB at 5 if he has some freak skills and the smarts to start and make an impact from day one.
I think at 5 we have to take the type of talent that you wont be able to find later in the draft. I know Pioli has a tendacy to “reach” but if i were a GM, id take a ILB or S if i thought they were elite and head ans shoulders above the rest of the class.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
I dont think Dan Williams makes it past us.
Remember… This year, there are 14 that’s right, 1 4 teams running a 3-4. And I don’t think there are more than 4-5 NT in the league! The crop of LBs is extremely deep. From what I’ve seen, you can find very productive starters in the middle round at OLB/ILB. Perhaps not pro-bowlers but better talent than what we currently have. Same goes for FS. Actually there are a few guys coming out listed as FS but will end up playing SS due to their size and range.
If you take a step back and look at it from a broader perspective: a domimant NT makes Dorsey look like the best in his draft class and TJ look like the #3 pick. If that happens up front, imagine what it will due for the LBs.
Agreed
I’d like to see us get a NT, just not with 5th pick, idealy if we could move down I would love this move but that is fantasy land. I just don’t know if Dan Williams is all the great to be picked with #5, but now that I think about it Vince Wilfork was picked #24, so……………………
NT is our biggest need
First and foremost, we address the NT position. LB’s are nice just like WR’s are nice on O. Finish the line and then go there.
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ok, and if both Suh and McCoy are gone ... do you suggest we reach for Williams?
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Why would drafting a position of extreme need like NT be a “reach”, but drafting a luxury position like LT not be a “reach”? If Williams is rated a top 10 player, and the unquestioned best NT in the draft, I would be more than fine with him, if Berry’s gone, and McClain runs slow at his workout.
well, Williams is NOT rated Top 10 to my knowledge ... and since when is LT a luxury?
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When you already have a young one that you drafted in round 1, 2 years ago, and is playing well.
Williams, if he makes it past us, won’t make it past all 3 of Buffalo at #9, Denver at #11, or Miami at #12, so to say he’s be an extreme reach at #5 is accurate, IMO.
no worries ... Okung won't fall to us anyway
neither will Suh or McCoy, sadly
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Mayock has Dan Williams rated above McClain, I don’t know how much faith I put in this but NT is the biggest need so if we are talking about reaching for McClain why not just “reach” for Willaims
If we did take him
I can’t say that I’d bitch a whole lot.
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I'd go for Williams ahead of McClain right now ...
… and damn near anyone ahead of Bryant
yes, that includes Steve (just not at NT)
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sure thing ... see if you can get a pic
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Now go for it!
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funny, I thought he's be taller
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Where are my ears?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
you don;'t NEED ears, you're a QB ...
… now SNAP THE F***ING BALL, OK?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently...
You’re better suited to play QB than you are NT ;)
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My wife won't let me throw the deep ball anymore
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
damn Steve ... I didn't know you ever COULD go "deep"
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Buck, on second thought, I think we should send Steve in with kray
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As long as Kray Ain't riding on my back
seems he might be a crop kind.
I hate crops and switches
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Steve, just promise one thing ...
if you and kray DO go to Pioli with our wish list, just promise that you won’t make an ass of yourself … ok?
thanks, Bro, we luvya!
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By George!
I think he’s got it!
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Well I might but
Kray wanted to steal Arrowhead in the back of his car! Who is exactly going to be the brains of this operation?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
No
I say we take Berry and then draft a big’ol fat dude in the second and then another in the fourth or fifth actually. :)
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I have officially withdrawn my name from consideration for NT
plus 250 at going to cut it anyway :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
and Buck, shame on you ... I mean, really, how DARE you ...
argue with Gretz and question his knowledge, that's like questioning Pioli and what exactly ARE your qualifications to qustion the wisdom and experience of me or krayfish or Lanier or Satch who's still waiting on his side dishes ...
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Screw Gretz!
Screw all the draft experts. I’m an AP member and even though we don’t always agree, we know more than they do.
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oh yeah, we do, don't we
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Yes
consensus says AP rocks
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
awesome! now all we have to do is take our always on target opinions to Pioli
… for that I nominate … krayfish!
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Our stand-up ambassador from Florida! Here here!
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and Lanier to make a "video"
kray: Mr Pioli, my name is …
Pioli: get out!
kray: but Sir, my name is …
Pioli: are you deaf, son? I said get out … now GO!
kray: but Mr Pioli, I represent Arrowhead Pride and we have a list of …
Pioli: I don’t care if you represent the Pope and have the secret recipe for KFC
kray: but SIr, we want the BEST players for our team and we think you should
Pioli: kid, what the hell have you been smoking?
kray: my suit, Mr Pioli, but that’s not the point, you see we have a list of …
Pioli: SECURITY!
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by upamtn on Mar 7, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We should have
“Alaskan Thunder F#@k” embroidered across the back
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by Buck'O on Mar 7, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
can't ... type ... laffing ... too ... hard ...
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I can see him now
Kicking in the front door at One Arrowhead Drive! Hehe!
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Is that his Motorcycle Club?
Tampa Bay Chapter
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Buck ... YOU explain it to him
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'ere... 'ere
pass it to the left!
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Look north
see Alaskan81’s comment about fibers. ;)
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Anyone think of this?
1st Dan Williams
2nd Golden Tate
2nd Brandon Spikes
3rd Thadieous Gibson
That would fill alot of needs. NT, OLB, ILB, Slot WR, PR, and gadget play guy…lol I’m still for Berry, Hughes, Gilyard, Troup
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Steve ... look! Idaho has you in his tagline!
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For lack of an open thread
Steve, upamtn and I just parked it here :)
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hahaha
seems it is tag and I got the tail :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Is anyone else bummed that Clark didn't leave the keys to the checkbook with Pioli
with the explicit directions to buy every free agent on the market? After all it is uncapped and if we prevented all of the other teams from getting these awesome players we should surely win at least one more game.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
Actually no
I have to say I’m the kinda guy who believes that it’s a marathon and not a sprint. Carl’s perpetual FA merry-go-round got on my nerves. Building through the draft is the way I always wanted to see it done and now that we’re doing just that, sure, it’s frustratingly slow, but I can see the promise of it. I still think it’s the right way to build for a consistently strong, long-term future. I’m down for another year or two if it means we contend year after year beyond that. Carl didn’t stand a chance of ever accomplishing that.
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by Buck'O on Mar 7, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn you sarcasm font.
You failed me once again. Now take a lap around the field while dragging Peterson by his nut sack.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
Ahahaha
Apparently I’m a bit drunk and slow!
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I'm fairly well trained
:) j/k
I don’t have to work until 1:00pm tomorrow
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Thats cool
People in Idaho party on thursday night so they aren’t hungover for the weekend. Do not attempt to conduct buisness in Idaho on friday since they are hungover,surely, and completely focused on the weekend.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
What another nightmare
I haven’t been in school for 30 years and one pops up every once in a while.
Homework OMG
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Your still relatively young.
Dropping out in the 3rd grade put you at 38 according to my calculations.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
Agreed
CP didn’t have the patience. What he did was appease and appeal to the crowd. A true Showman and it almost worked if he could have pulled a QB out of the Hat.
I can wait. On the process to do its work. Anyone that has ever served knows Patience is about the only way to get through it.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
The sad part is
there’s still a ton of Chiefs fans who expect the high profile FA signings every year.
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Pavlovian?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
worse ... some of the FAs they want are downright scary ...
… all I have to say now, though, is two words: Orlando Pace
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I’m still reeling over Julius Peppers this year! My Gawd! Seriously? or Haynesworth last year? C’mon! I’d much rather draft and develop any day!
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All the...
I hate Dorsey and T-Jax is a bust talk is incredible!
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Peppers should have been half priced since he only puts out effort half the time.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
Exactly what I'm talking about!
But people are still mad we didn’t go for it.
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Free agents are a bigger risk than draft picks.
The guy has proven himself in the nfl so he should be a sure thing. Problem is he was working his ass off for a paycheck and now that it is cashed, it is time to retire.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
The other thing that gets me
is how many people are down for giving up draft picks for another team’s RFA’s. C’mon! Build through the draft already!
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I wish we had some proven has beens that we could suck some dumbass teams into giving us their draft picks.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
now yer talkin' Brother!
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oh yeah ... some of the "proposed trades" I've seen ...
… “and we ONLY give up a 2nd Round draft pick and DBowe” for … Antonio Bryant? please!
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rec'd and agree 100%
been saying that for awhile now …
I think it’s a societal problem in that we all want “instant gratification” for just about everything … the I WANT IT ALL & I WANT IT RIGHT NOW syndrome
I would FAR prefer a slow, gradual but effective rebuild that goes on and on and on … within a couple of years, you’re really only replacing one or two “key” players instead of 4 or 5 or 6 like we need to now (more than that, really, but hey … )
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Yeah
In the mean-time, I have a bunch of fun watching some of our AP brethren jump off a cliff when we don’t get the $100million man!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
maybe this will convince a few of them ...
Emmit Smith (Cardinals)
Ahman Green (Texans)
Jeff Garcia (Browns)
David Boston (Chargers)
Andre Rison (Browns)
Larry Brown (Raiders)
Javon Walker (Raiders)
Adam Archuleta (Skins)
Dale Carter (Broncos)
Scott Mitchell (Lions)
Orlando Pace (Bears)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Well played!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
What is, match the super star free agent with the team that he fleeced on his way to retirement.
How about fans that suffer from free agent dilusions for 500 alex.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
I'm sorry, you didn't phrase your answer in the form of a question :)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
carry on
And please be kind to the Ass :)
Goodnight
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 8, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
G'night JohnBoy!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Sadly fellers...
I must bid you all adieu. It’s time I hit the hay.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
chiefs draft
chiefs should trade down with buffalo, cleveland or denver. take mcclain with first then mount cody with first second. imagine the improvement to our front seven. then adress offense line with other second. then take jordan shipley in third round. but mcclain is definitly the one they should be trying to get with first pick
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