A question for the Pioli bashers: What do you do for a living?
by Rev. Slappy on Mar 6, 2010 3:53 PM CST
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PrintI posted this comment on another post, but I wanted to expand on it a little.
For the people on here bashing Scott Pioli, I am just curious as to your qualifications. I know what Pioli's are, and the dude has a pretty serious resume.
Pioli was the #1 most sought after executive in the NFL for the last decade. He turned down interviews for GM jobs before he agreed to come to KC. Nobody has the resume this guy has — three Superbowl wins, four Superbowl appearances, the first ever 16-0 regular season team. I don’t think people in KC really realize how amazing a coup it was for Clark Hunt to land Pioli, that Pioli was willing to come to a small market city like KC when he could have written a ticket anywhere he wanted to go.
So this is my question, and I am saying this in all seriousness: If you guys think you know better than Pioli, that you know better how to build an NFL team than the guy who built the dominant team of the past decade, why aren’t you working in the NFL? If you could do a better job than a guy with 3 fucking Superbowl rings, why aren’t you working in the NFL in some capacity? Because you should be if you could do a better job.
And let's watch the Bears and see how this flailing around and overpaying guys in FA works out for them.
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see my reply to you in the other comment you made
im not going to retype it all and dont know how to link it.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Well put
shut the haters up, people have no concept of patience, now now now, doesn’t happen like that on a consistent basis and it never will. Yeah, lets go gets some FA and be in the same hole we have been in for several years.
The flailing for FAs route won't work for the Bears
Kind of like it hasn’t worked for the Raiders (Javon Walker most recently), Eagles (Kearse, for example), or Redskins (Deion, Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas, Trotter, Archuleta, etc.). It just doesn’t work. Can anyone name a Super Bowl championship team that made big splashes in free agency a major part of their success, other than possibly New Orleans?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
You guys act like we expect one player to take us to the Superbowl
I don’t think anyone expects that, although a couple of good players could greatly improve the team. That’s what we all want isn’t it? I’m not saying we should have gone after every big name out there like Chicago, but to not even try to re-sign Chambers and Smith is negligent to say the least…especially with the condition of our receiving corps and O-line.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 6, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
just because we havent resigned them doesnt mean we arent going to
maybe Pioli is just letting them test the waters and see what their value is that way he doesnt overpay for them or maybe we already made them an offer and said they are free to check elsewhere then come back and maybe we match another teams offer, its only day 2 in FA its not like the season starts tomorrow, we still have time to sign them
1970 you should know better
damn straight I expect one player to take us to the Super Bowl and I wan that player right now, damnit, and his name is krayfish and he's available right now and CHEAP and it's a crime we don't have him on the roster so hell yeah we're pissed and ...
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Negligent?
Seriously, the team has already announced that re-signing Chambers is a priority. What more do you want?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 7, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't...
even think New Orleans belongs in that category. They made two big signings (Brees and Greer) and two big trades (Shockey and Vilma). So far Pioli has only made one big trade and that was for Cassel. And they made the last 2 two trades and signed Greer as over the top moves. We are not at that stage where we need 2 to 3 guys to put us over the top.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
I think it's more than 2-3 guys
And the no-cap situation won’t last as long as it’ll take for KC to become a winning team again, so it wouldn’t be smart to load up on players who’ll be cap casualties just as the team’s starting to compete again.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 7, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
There have been plenty of well qualified coaches and GMs that were failures
I think it is pretty naive to assume that just because he had success with another team (with Bill Bellichick and Tom Brady no less) that it automatically means he will happen in K.C and that anyone that questions his genius needs to be slapped down.
The ONLY thing we can be sure of about Pioli on his own so far is that he can build a team capable of going 4-12.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 6, 2010 4:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Last years team was much worse than the team that went 2-14
The bounce of the ball in a couple games is the difference between 2 more wins.
The only good thing you can say about last year was that Larry Johnson tweeted drunk and two other RBs got injured so that Haley was forced to play Jamaal Charles. If you want to give Pioli credit for that, and get the warm and fuzzies then I’m happy you can be so optimistic.
theres is no logic there how the hell can you say
a 4-12 team is worse then a 2-14 team, football is about inches and a bounce here and there, hell a few more bounces or caught balls and we could have been 8-8 easily
Obviously you didnt watch any of the games last year
if you think we were worse and Im not sure how 4-12 is worse than 2-14
Apples and Oranges.
Some things had to go away, so a blue-collar team of the future could get rollin’. I think they’re on their way, and were essentially the .500 ballclub I thought they were in September, only it took ’til December before things started to gel.
I was very encouraged by what I was starting to see, especially on offense. Still weak on d-line and unable to match up in the secondary. Need a tad more stout up front and a tad more quick in the DBs. Not sure whether Morgan, Leggett and Washington can step it up in ’10, but guardedly optimistic.
Meanwhile, team needs are much more clearly defined, entering a deep draft, with an excellent chance of either landing one of the top 3 players with the #5 pick, or trading down and team-building with more picks in this deep draft.
Team’s going to be in the 6-10 wins range, which is average in the NFL. And the more solidly they lay the foundations, the deeper this team will be and the less dependent they’ll be on any one big name to put ’em over the top.
The bounce of the ball?
That happens in every game. That argument has no truth to it. If the ball had bounce this way the Chiefs would have been 2-14, if the ball had bounce this way the Chiefs would have been 10-6, or if the ball had bounce this other way the Chiefs would have still been 4-12. The bounce of the ball means nothing.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
How long can we give him a free pass for what “he” did in New England?
I’m willing to give him another year or two, but the argument that he is untouchable from critisism because of the Patriots success is starting to grind my gears.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 6, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
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Its become cliche to bash the Bears for their FA moves. I actually think they are smart, especially Julius Peppers.
Look at the division that they play in. How do you beat the Packers, Vikings and Packers? Stop Stafford, Favre and Rodgers. How do you do that? Dominant pass rush and that is exactly what Peppers provides. The truth is the Bears are a better team after Free Agency than they were before Free agency, something the Chiefs can’t say.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 6, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
the Bears can say they're better after one day of free agency.
KC can still make that claim, plus, can make the claim they’re a better team after the draft. Chicago can’t do that.
There is not a damn person on this site that can honestly say,
that they would not be happy as hell if the Chiefs signed ANY one of the guys that the Bears signed….its just that now that they are gone the HOMERS are saying ..eh, they suck, they paid too much, blah blah blah…
The Chiefs are sitting on their hands just like they did last yr. And will end up with everybody elses scraps…..and whiff on a couple of them too…just like last yr.
There IS NO DIFFERENCE between a 2-14 team and a 4-12 team….they are still bottom dwellers and laughing stocks…..
If nothing else…Pioli should have signed SOMEBODY worth a shit just to get some fire in the fans…Empty stadiums dont make money Mr GM Extrodinaire
by KCinAZ on Mar 6, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
AND...
if they dont win at least 4 more games than last yr it will be an unsuccessful season again. If you cant win 4 more games with your new Coordinators, draftpicks and free agents, and another yr of experience for Haley and the young players, then your not doing something right
we watched, for 19 seasons
a GM sign old, high priced free agents, at the expense of younger players. when he left that team was old, expensive, and in shambles.
how quickly we forget Patrick Surtain, Ty Law, Kendrell Bell, Chester McGlockon, Wayne Simmons…the list continues.
rebuilding is hard. if you can’t be patient and a rebuilding football team makes you this angry, well, maybe you shouldn’t watch KC Chiefs football for a couple of years, come back when the Chiefs are winning, because chances are, they will.
Im damn near forty yrs old...
Ive been a Chiefs fan for over thirty yrs. Thre is nothing you can tell me about them that I dont already know. Im not looking for us to sign EVERY FA on the market…Im looking for them to make intelligent moves that improve the team. ..they have not done shit. There is not ONE star player on this team right now. NOT ONE….name one player on this team and i can give you at least 5-6 other players in the league that are better….We need PROVEN talent. Not crap shoot draft picks…..Im all for drafting smart, but in many cases you need a player that can play well while your young players are groomed..Learning on the fly creates havoc, losses and bad habits in young players.
Can you imagine, the pressure we would be getting on QBs next yr with Hali AND Peppers? Bringing in Dansby improves out LB corp RIGHT NOW. Boldin is an elite PROBOWL receiver that could mentor Bowe, and light a fire under his ass to keep his #1 receiver status….bottom line…this team needs an infusion of talent….
I’m looking for them to make intelligent moves that improve the team
Charlie and Romeo, these were intelligent moves.
letting your young players play, letting them develop, and keeping your picks to use in the draft these are intelligent moves.
signing older, overpriced, FA’s because the fan base is angry and want “big names”, that’s not intelligent. that’s Carl Peterson.
not going after a probowl WR,LB DE
and taking a gamble on a draft pick that might flop….thats not intelligent IMO…..
Everybody thought it was a great move last yr to use our 2nd rounder to get Cassel and Vrable…..why is it so crazy this yr to use one of our second rounders to get a pro bowl WR thats only 29, knows Haleys O, has playoff and SB experience and could light a fire under DBowes ass….im just sayin
because we got 2 players with 1 pick
Vrable still had a few years left when we got him and Cassel basically has his whole career ahead of him still, obviously Pioli, Haley and Weis didnt think it was worth it or they would have done whatever it took to bring him here, if he even really wanted to come here in the 1st place, Im thinking he wanted a team that was a playoff contender right now not in a year or two
again
Surtain, Bell, McGlockton, Ty Law, these were ALL pro bowl players. when they came to KC, got that fat payday, none made a pro bowl.
there’s no guarantee with draft picks and there’s no guarantee with free agents. that’s why the good teams let them walk and the bad teams gobble them up.
bad teams like...
NE…who went out and got Randy Moss, the Jets that went out and got Bart Scott and other, NO that got Drew Brees, …..look i have never said we needed to go get ALL these guys, but at least one of em would have been nice…I was on here a week ago, and all the talk was Wilfork, Dansby,Boldin,…ect ect….now that the Chiefs have whiffed on all of them, all the Homers want to act like oh well, no big deal, Pioli knows what he’s doing……Im a fan too, I can have an opinion and my opinion is he should have tried harder to bring some proven talent to this team.
i didn't say you weren't and i didn't call you a name
so i don’t know why people who disagree with you are “homers”.
randy moss was a low risk, high reward pickup. he was traded for a fourth round pick and had to agree to restructure his contract so he could play in New England. Bart Scott followed his old DC to his new stomping grounds where he was the new head coach. Drew Brees, well, nobody really thought he would bounce back from that injury so only two teams were chasing him, the Dolphins and Saints. these circumstances are ALL unique and really aren’t the norm.
if calling you a homer hurt your feelings ...
im sorry…what i meant by it is that your just willing to go along with whatever this new regime decides to do. I for one, have an opinion and my opinion is that this is shaping up to look an awful lot like last yr. Not making any moves in FA unless they are cheap, and PRAYING that the draft picks work out….we will still have major needs come draft time and they will reach just like they did with Tyson Jackson , who was not projected to go before the 15th pick and we took him at number 3.
But im done arguing about it. Im outnumbered. I truly hope you guys are right. But I know a little bit about football too….
Bart Scott
was not a killer last year. 1 sack, no Int’s, no FF – just a handful of tackles. He really hasn’t put up a great year since 2006 – ever since then he’s put up Derrick Johnson like numbers (excluding last year where DJ did not start but 3 games).
Wilfork resigned with the Pats, can you blame him?
I would have liked to have Dansby and/or Boldin. Miami gave up the richest deal for a LB in the NFL to get Dansby – Boldin took 2 draft picks to get.
When it comes down to it though, how do you know how hard we did or didn’t try to get these guys? All we know is that we didn’t offer Dansby more money than all LB’s in the NFL and we didn’t give up our 3rd and 4th round picks for Boldin. From the sounds of it we were down to the end with Boldin. What would it have taken to beat out Baltimore?
I’ll save my freak-outs until after the draft and free agency. Just because we didn’t make a splash on day 1 doesn’t mean we should throw in the towel. Like it was mentioned before – we’ve all been through seasons where we tried to make a splash in FA… and where did that get us?
by Ochophosphate on Mar 6, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
KCinAZ ... I agree, you're a fan, too ... but just wondering here ...
when you say …
he should have tried harder to bring some proven talent to this team
…how do you know how hard he tried?
do you know FOR A FACT that no offer at all was made for any of the guys you’re talking about? were you with Pioli or bugging his office? just wondering how you know for a fact, how you can be so absolutely positive that NO effort at all was made to get this or that player?
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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ok guys...you are ALL right
FA are a waste of time. We should just stockpile draft picks and take our chances…bringing in guys that have ALREADY proved their worth in the NFL is an INSANE idea.
but when nest season is over...
and Peppers has put up 16 sacks, dansby has 120 tackles and 7-8 sacks, Boldin has another 1000 yrs 85 catch season and our defense is at the bottom of the league again, and our recievers set another record for drops……ill be back saying…“i told you so”
don't throw down that gauntlet
because no one has challenged you. we have just been debating. i’m sorry if you feel like you need to be one those guys who waits on pins and needles to tell someone “i told you so”. that’s weak.
the only one I wanted was Taylor
and if you need him to sign just anybody to get you fired up, then I guess thats your problem cause Im excited for the up coming season
KCinAZ ... just FYI here
I would have been pissed as hell if Pioli had signed ANY of those guys … why? because I don’t want us to lose a single draft pick … period
I’m STILL pissed at the crap Pioli pulled LAST year vis-a-vis FA … Toomer, Thomas … please, give me a break … you do NOT build a team thru FAs, you build thru the draft … and I guarantee you, if Pioli has a good draft (and it will be hard NOT to have a good draft this year) you WILL see a fire in a LOT of fans for the upcoming season
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Thats because they were cheap and waited...
and they are doing the same thing this yr…All the REAL talent is signed…and whats going to be left over are guys like Thomas, Wade,
I would have given our second 2nd round pick for any of these players….if you get 3-5 yrs out of any of them its just as good as a draft pick. Because, in todays NFL, players move to where the money is. So the guy you draft this yr, is going to be on the market in 3-4 yrs anyway. Hardly any players nowadays stays with the same team 10+ yrs…..maybe 5% of em do
you have to have a base of players to get started with...
bring in players that help you now, and develop your draft picks. Giving up one draft pick does not ruin your draft.
a second round pick
is very, very, very valuable to a rebuilding team. that’s a starter you have under lock and key for a few years.
I think we do a disservice to Thomas, Goff, Toomer, and others.
These were all team-first guys, who set a high standard of no-nonsense professionalism from the very first OTAs, the most delicate/difficult part of the new HC’s tenure. This was important, and sorely LACKING in the bunch of youngsters Edwards brought in and left essentially unsupervised/unmentored in a wide range of basic “what professionals do to prepare” and how a pro handles himself.
This year, the Chiefs will have mostly guys who’re used to Haley, and whom Haley has given a vote of approval, by bringing back.
Guys who do it right and show that coach isn’t in everybody’s ear-hole, because some of the guys do get it. Looks like they made sure there was an old pro in EVERY position group, so there wasn’t a position group of all young guys, thinking the coach is just pickin’ on THEM, when it’s more that none of ‘em get it. In the absence of a single peer who gets it, youngsters are apt to create a counter-culture that wastes time questioning authority and can even pull the proper authority off-the-mark, fixing problems that shouldn’t exist in the first place, having to tell them things they oughta figure out by (or among) themselves.
Even this year, there’re likely to be some journeyman types coming in, due to injury, if nothing else. And there are already quite a few journeyman types all across the ballclub, and that’s GOOD. The low man might fall off the bottom of the depth chart, but they can pretty much add talent/youth on top, using a BPA or doubling-up on PON or smart mix of the two.
Plus not a whole lot was invested in any of these guys. Just havin’ Thomas rubbin’ shoulders with our young LBs was of immense value to the team.
dude, you have it backwards ...
you can’t bring in FAs to help the draft picks if you give away your draft picks to get the FAs to begin with … you dig?
and the guy we draft today who gives us 5 good years at a lower price is a much better value than a veteran FA for 10 times the money who’s just as liable to get injured during the course of those 3-4 years (if he manages to stick around that long) …
look at last year’s cream of the crop: Orlando Pace … now, do I really need to say anything more after THAT debacle?
if we HAD that overall base of really good, young players to begin with, if we were an 8-8 team looking to go the “next level” and were a player or two away … sure, I could see a FA here or there … but we’re far from that, we have too many gaping holes to fill to be shipping off good draft picks for these overpriced vets who may or MAY NOT give us even a year of good productivity
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
also when a cap is reinstalled for the 2011 season
next years FA pool will be alot better to choose from and we will have the money to use to possibly go after those players to take us to that next level, right now we arent at that point
ok guys...when we are lucky enough to win maybe 1 more game
next yr…we will talk again…and I wasnt talking about trading away ALL our draft picks. We have two second rounders…using one in a trade to get a proven guy is not beyond reason…and Boldin was the only one that required us to give up a pick…the rest could have just been signed if we really went after them….
Dominant perimeter play is always a good thing. But team-building and smart coaching is
the rule of the day, for this team, at this point. Would like to have Boldin, but would rather eke out the blue-collar wins, first, with superior line play. The superior line play makes you a .500 team, right there.
THEN you start splittin’ hairs on the top FA or spendin’ your (mid-) 1st-rounder on the skill position(s). Just adding a skill player to a poorly constructed team leads to a frustrated (and mouthy) skill player. “Gimme the ball!”
I can just see ‘Quan up in Haley’s ear-hole after Matt “Happy Feet” Cassel missed him on the wide-open deep slant. He wanted his money. He’ll want his catches. And if the O-Line can’t get it done, he could be a cancer. I think you gotta set the table for the high-dollar WR, and if you do, you might be surprised to find you don’t need him, because your speed guy (Lawrence) is gettin’ behind defenses before your QB gets in trouble, and some of your other WRs start lookin’ pretty good.
by hmills110 on Mar 6, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
bless you, mills ... for saying so well what many of us have said only not so clearly
start with the lines … build from inside out … get the basics, the foundation done first, then the glitter guys, the skill positions, fall into place so much easier …
we need OLine and NT and then LB and Secondary and maybe THEN after all those are set and in place, then we can think about WR etc
we saw last year what an overpriced “me first” skill position player does on a team (can you say twitter? LJ can!)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
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I think you have LB and DB backwards. I don't care HOW much you like Flowers.
This is a team that does itself more good by adding elite DBs and going with journeyman LBs than it does by adding elite LBs and going with journeyman DBs. You go after the best at DB and you go after the smartest at LB. When you’re pretty happy with d-line and db, you start actually looking at 40 times amongst all LBs. LB’s all about football IQ and toughness, especially when the other 2 position groups are getting it done, and the LB just needs to do his damn job, and doesn’t need to be a hero.
Heroic LBs are fun to watch, but they don’t win games for you if your team is unsound.
On a well-built team, a smart journeyman LB starts looking like a superstar, because he's
put in good, clear-cut situations more often, and more often in position to make the play.
No, not all the real talent is signed.
All of the overpaid big names have been signed.
How is Thomas Jones, Chris Chambers, Ryan Clark, Ben Watson, Larry Foote, and others like them not real talent.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think everyone is open to criticism when you are 4-12
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
He's not untouchable
But he’s untouchable to armchair GMs with no patience, whose opinions are worthless.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 7, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Its just a result of people are sick of losing.
They’re sick of having a losing team, sick of going to the stadium and watch them lose, and sick of putting money in the pockets of the people who are fielding a losing team. Im not going to speak for everyone because honestly Im not in full panic mode on day two of free agency. That having been said though I do think for the sake of the team and its fans that this staff needs to work with more of a sense of urgency(as posted earlier today on main page). There’s no overnight fix but there are alot of holes on this team that need filling and I think as fans people just want to see something,
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
There are some head scratching moments too though.
A guy like Bodden is going to be wrapped up in the next couple days and its hard to comprehend why we arent in on a guy like this. Corner is a need and whether its the most pressing need or not you have to wonder why we wouldnt even look at him. Theres a connection there, he was part of the right 53 before so cant imagine why he wouldnt be now, hes a good young player and will come at a reasonable price and be a long term fix to a hole we have.
I think its questions like these that have people scratching their heads. Not everyones looking for a blockbuster or the best guy out there but its clear we have needs and the skill thats available doesnt get better from this point on.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Or I don't know how a guy like Bannan who went to Denver isnt even worth a look.
A good player, plays hard when he gets the chance and is maybe not a household name because he plays behind Gregg and Ngata but I guarantee you he is better then anyone on our roster.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
but did the Chiefs really NOT look into Bannan?
Or there are other hidden reasons why he wasn’t pursued aggressively. It’s just really hard to tell when we as fans on a message board don’t know all the details. It’s so easy to accuse and assume things when we don’t know whats going on at HQ or the mind of Pioli…
BTW Bannan is from Colorado. So Denver might have had some pull with that.
The thing I wonder if Pioli understands yet
Is that people aren’t going to beat down his door to sign with him now that he’s not on the best team in football for a decade.
The Chiefs are a losing team and if he REALLY wants those guys we were rumored to be after, he is going to have to pay more than they are worth to get them. When he was with the Patriots, he could get guys to sign for less because they wanted to be on a team that had a chance at the Super Bowl every year. K.C. isn’t it.
I really don’t care that we aren’t overpaying big name free agents. I’m still waiting through the draft. But if we get another crappy draft like last year along with another year of signing Patriots rejects, I think I will have a legitimate reason to complain without the guys connected to Pioli’s butthole telling me I’m not qualified to judge him.
"the guys connected to Pioli’s butthole"
That is a job I would pass up.
Predictions:
1) Fans will feel just scads better from mid-to-end of the 2010 season.
2) During the 2021 season, Ryan Succop will become the Chiefs’ all-time leading scorer with 1469 points.
oh yeah
people aren’t going to beat down his door to sign with him now that he’s not on the best team in football for a decade
he knows … and guess what, the guys out there that people are screaming about aren’t worth the price … not with the draft picks we have and the chance to build the RIGHT way
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
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You would have to be blind to not realise that free agents don't want to come here.
What makes you think that Pioli does not know that? In fact, that phrase answers why we did not sign any top-tier free agents, because the only way to get them is to overpay for their services, and once they do break down in 1-3 years their fanbases will be complaining because they were worth the money they were paid. Pioli is trying to win Super Bowls for the long run; not trying to win the first day of free agency. The Bears, and Lions will both be starting over in the rebuilding process soon, because they are overpaying for free agents. Also, prove last year’s draft was a bust. Their rookie seasons did not prove anything, but that they played like rookies. As for signing Patriots’ rejects. Of course he is going to sign players he is familiar with to bring leadership. He knows that they can bring the leadership, and come cheaply. Rather you like it or not, this is all part of the rebuilding process.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
IMO having Pioli, and getting C.Weis as OC, and R.Crennel as DC would in itself attract players. I have no complaints about what Pioli is doing, and i don’t want to give up all my draft picks to get big name players. It would be great to have say V.Wilfork or A.Boldin, but not by giving away picks that could be players for this team in the future. I don’t like being told that i can’t question what our GM does though because of what my occupation is, too me thats a insult.
I agree that should improve the attractiveness, but
that alone is not going to bring them to Kansas City. That is just one of many factors into a players decision.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Btw. Where did this statement come from?
“I don’t like being told that i can’t question what our GM does though because of what my occupation is, too me thats a insult.”
Who ever said that you couldn’t question a GM because of your occupation? You got as much of a right to question him. As I do to defend. No reason to put words into someone’s mouth.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry wasn't meaning you
Was simply responding to the title of the post, which pretty much says that because i’m a low life carpenter, that i can’t question my teams GM. I do want to point out that i didn’t question Pioli, i just think it’s a insult the way he put it too word’s.
You low life carpenters aren't going to get any trouble from me. ;)
I don’t want my house, and furniture to fall on top of me.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Dear God in Heaven! How sick can people be of losing!??!?!? It's only been 3 years!
Fucking hell! This team has been bad for three — count ‘em — three years! People are acting like this team has been in the shitter for a generation. We are not the fucking Detroit Lions! The Chiefs were in the playoffs in 2006. Are you guys such fairweatehr fans that you can’t handle 3 consecutive losing seasons? I might add that two of those three seasons were rebuilding years from 2 different GM/HC combos. Seriously, folks, you have been spoiled by an organization that was pretty competitive from 1989 to 2007.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Slappy, I well remember the post-Stram era, and it was NOT pretty
in fact, it was downright ugly, and the mismanagement back then made the combination of Carl & Herm look GOOD by comparision … from 75 to mid 80’s we were bad to horrible, and improved only when Marv Levy was coach
problem with that was the strike came along, Levy sided publicly with the players and BAM he was canned, in favor of the ever popular-with-players John Mackovic (and you thought our 2006 team got lucky to back into the playofffs …)
yeah, people have been spoiled by the Chiefs’ success in the 90’s (I also love the Royals, so I’m used to failure and bitterness, but every new season also brings hope and promise, even if it’s false)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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Think for most Chiefs' fans it more than just the Chiefs.
Royals’ baseball, K-State Wildcat football (2005-present), KU Jayhawk football (besides 2003-2008), K-State basketball (Prior to Huggins era), and Missouri Tiger football (Prior to 2007) probably had something to do with it also.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 7, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I give you props
for calling out all the haters. I definitely dont agree with 100% of the things he does, but I think his track record buys him a few years of leniency before we can truly judge him. Basically, he has the earned the right to be trusted until he proves he failed (which I dont anticipate happening).
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
I think that's bullshit
He hasn’t earned anything. Last years draft was an utter disaster. free agency too. Any improvement we saw was due to the fact that Herm is no longer the coach.
His resume at NE means NOTHING now. He’s not there anymore, he’s here now and this is the show me state. Show me that you are committed to winning
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 6, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
You lost me...
at the “draft was an utter failure”. You know as well as anyone that you can’t judge a draft after one freaking year. I bet you the Chiefs win 8 games next year. Then, we will make a few “over the top” moves and by 2011 we will be contenders.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
Show a committment to winning?
I think that building through the draft is a proven formula for winning. Yes, it takes longer for the plan to unfold, but it works. And I’ll certainly admit that as of this date, I still question every pick last year except for Succup, but I wont get too vocal about it until they’ve had three years in the league.
Tony Gonzalez’s 33 catches as a rookie wasnt anything to celebrate, but I think we’ll all agree that he became one hell of a player after his rookie year.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
TonyG
... he was "ok" I suppose but he still would never block and besides that he doesn't have Shannon Sharpe's sense of humor, who, even though many here in KC dislike him, I find him to be rather funny on rare occasion, whereas Tony is very dry and droll by nature ...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Pioli fired Herm, right?
So he should get credit for that improvement.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
you mean ...
you are THE fucking MAN?
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yes I am the Don
I just come on here to see what all the fans want me to do, I have had so much time these last few days just sitting on my hands just trying to piss off the fans, I guess I was wrong this year by not pissing away money on players that didnt fit our team or system, Im a tard
btw ... "Don" ... there's someone here to see you about a "movie" ...
… says his name is Lanier
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and the legend in his own mind grows
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LOL
If you are Scott Pioli than I’m Bill Belichick.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
show me your hoodie!
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Okay!
This is me back in 2004 right after Super Bowl. This is when I went to La-La-Land for vacation, and have yet to come back.
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by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I am the most interesting man in the world.
And this is not easy to pull off as a female.
Drink Dos Equis.
Predictions:
1) Fans will feel just scads better from mid-to-end of the 2010 season.
2) During the 2021 season, Ryan Succop will become the Chiefs’ all-time leading scorer with 1469 points.
I believe it.
Every hermaphrodite I’ve met are. They always have the best part of both genders.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
I understand your reasoning
and for the most part agree with it. But it must be stated that all of Pioli’s success (along with Weis, Crennel, Mangini, and McDaniels for that matter) came while with Belichick (who had final say and shared GM responsibilities with Pioli). In fact, Belichick hired Pioli back with the Jets. I think that those questioning Pioli have a right to do so. He has an excellent track record, but he was also around an extremely gifted football mind in Belichick. Was it Belichick? Was it Pioli? Are they both gifted?
The only way to determine if Pioli can be his own man is with time. And for this reason, I think everyone just needs to calm down. We gave Herm a few years, and King Carl nearly 2 decades. Let’s see what happens.
I would disagree with this based on New England since Pioli left.
Im not going to claim by any stretch that it was all Pioli but based on the decisions made there over the last year since he left it is clear to see that the collaboration of Pioli and Belichick together is what made that franchise successful.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
New England
went from 11-5 to 10-6. They had several injuries too (Brady, Welker). They traded Seymore, who had one year left, for a first round pick. They got a second round pick from us. Bruschi and Harrison retired (unavoidable). They signed Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, Banta-Cain, and Derrick Burgess (thanks wikipedia!!). Sounds like they had a better offseason than we did.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 6, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
but they had a lot of openly public team turmoil
something they’ve never had before. something isn’t right in NE. when BB has to start sending guys home from practice, big names, their formula isn’t working as well as it has in the past. a lot of pundits argue it’s because BB doesn’t have anyone to openly challenge his decisions player personnel.
Very true
those things were rather public. I generally associate a GM’s responsibilities to bringing in players and getting rid of toxic/ineffective ones. It seemed like last year Bellichick failed in coaching…possibly because he had to focus on the GM stuff more than he had in the past. The Patriots aren’t the team they were from 2001-2004. Hopefully it’s because Pioli is here. Time will tell.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 6, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Towards the end of their unbeaten season, their O-Line was pretty beaten-down.
And they didn’t exactly start on a high note the following year, either. But dropping to 10-6 in their division isn’t a sign that suddenly you got it all wrong. Unlike what KC might do in similar straits under Peterson, though, they didn’t just try to hold on to old stars, keep paying them more and more, and spend draft picks and big money on veterans to keep patching an ever-increasing number of holes. That’s the Peterson approach. The New England way is to stockpile 2nd-rounders, it would seem.
Peterson would’ve made all the instant-gratification FA moves, patching holes, and making each and every draft pick more dear and more highly criticized when the handful of picks he had left went bust, partly through poor scouting, but largely because he was painted into a PON corner, and got caught on the far side of the talent drop-off at PON. The Pioli way appears to be break-even-or-better on draft picks on the year, so that he doesn’t have to be a genius at picking talent, so much as a guy who gets to make more draft picks, on average, than the next guy.
So Belichick, the GENIUS, liked the guy so much, he wanted him with him in NY and then NE?
Hmmm. Maybe that Pioli guy is pretty good, if the GENIUS likes him so much…
agreed
but we are still yet to see what Pioli can do WITHOUT Bellichick. That’s my point. All of his credentials are shared with Big Bill. The argument can’t be made that he sucks or that he put together the winning rosters in NE as Bill had the final word. Not unless Bellichick says so or we start seeing the same magic take place here in KC.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 7, 2010 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/sports/football/14chiefs.html
Pioli was the Vice President of player personel, with Belichick acting as president.
Washington Post reports that Belichick has final say:
http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2009/01/chiefs-hire-pioli.html
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 7, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
np
I guess I should have linked in my previous posts-sorry for not including the support behind my comments!
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 7, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
We have every reason to believe that Pioli's style will be collaborative and not dictatorial.
And he started with a HC who has as much experience and pedigree in personnel as any HC in the league. I don’t think he hired Haley to just ignore his input. And they’re both on the same page in wanting a Pittsburgh-type model (I think Haley’s old man was director of player personnel when the Steel Curtain was installed, and Haley was a ball boy or some such during that legendary time – amazingly deep/long-lived connections for such a young coach).
Pioli gets paid well to take the heat
He himself has said there are many avenues to acquire players. It is HIS JOB to do that and improve the Chiefs. So far no walk behind that talk. FACT!
Takes more than 48 hours of free agency to improve a team.
Also, don’t forget the 2010 Free Agency class is very weak. Very few players in this class are worth paying the money they demand.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Success doesn't happen overnight
Folks just need to be patient, as hard as that is, and let all the pieces fall into place. It is very unrealistic to expect us to go from 2-14 to winning the Super Bowl. Baby steps. I expect the team to go from 4-12 to at least 6-10 or 8-8 this year. I’m a believer in the youth movement…just give it time.
I thought we were supposed to see what people did for a living? :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
We PARADE, what do YOU do?
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 6, 2010 5:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He appears to be some sort of masterbating minister
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 6, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
An Answer
I am a dad of two, and a husband. I own 4 hair salons, at which I manage 20 women. Also own a service company that does lawn care and snow removal.
Now, I do think I could do Pioli’s job. Just being honest. I would have taken NT BJ Raji last year and not T Jackson. I would have tried to move Bowe to Dallas last year for their first this year. I know everyone thinks Bowe will turn into A. Johnson this year, but I do not. I would also trade Dorsey if I got a good offer. Just because they are young and not horrible doesn’t mean you keep them. Another team (4-3 team) would pay a higher price for Dorsey.
It's that easy?
What would you have done the last 48 hours? Who else would you bring in to sign? What would you say and/or do to convince to come here? Would you overpay them? How many hours would you plan on working? What news do you have of the scouting combine? How does the game film look? How would you negoiate a contract? What are all of the team needs? What would you do if a player said “no” to you? How much would you offer Chambers to remain? What players would you have traded? What players would you be looking at in the draft? Why would you draft them? Who would your HC be? How would you get that guy to be your HC? What is it that makes you like Raji more than Jackson? How many offers have you gotten to be a GM or any kind of scout? What is more important, game film or the combine? How would you conduct yourself towards the media? When does someone cross the line on tampering? When would you start contacting a free agent you want? What qualities would you want in your HC? How would you get the coaches you want for your coaching staff? If their was a player you wanted but your fanbase threaten to not buy tickets if you signed him, what would you do? If their was a player you did not want but your fanbase threaten to not buy tickets if you did not sign him, what would you do? What would have been your highest offer to get Peppers, Dansby, Boldin, Chester Taylor, Burleson, and every other top tier free agent?
Does your head hurt yet? These are just a portion of questions GMs have to find an answer for, and do. There’s more to being a GM than “This is what I would do”. What exactly is a good offer for Bowe to Dallas last year? Would Dallas be willing to give you that compensation? What is a good offer for Dorsey? Is their another GM willing to give you that compensation? How do you know Raji would have been a better player than Jackson? What’s funnier, is that everyone at this point last year thought Dwayne Bowe was going to have a breakout season in 2009. You would have had to deal with an outbreak of angry fans. Just imagine for a second having an angry customer at one of your salons yelling at you. They get annoying, they do not always know how difficult your job really is, and think they know it all. Now imagine you have around 100,000 Chiefs fans doing the same thing to you all at once.
You think you might be a better than Pioli, but until you have the Super Bowl rings, success, countless NFL teams lining up to try to sign you as the head of their front office, resume, and can give some proof that you know how to build a NFL team. All you have proven is that you have an extremely huge “ego”.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
And
I would have signed Center Jason Brown last year in FA. That move could have filled two holes, Niswanger could have had a whole season at RG.
And exactly what did he do for the Rams last year?
Sorry but I would say he did not live up to his 5 yr $37.5 mil with $20 mil guaranteed contract. Which is a perfect example of why you dont rush out on the first day of FA and overpay for players
Well
My point is this, you use FA to set up a draft. Signing a young talented Center would have solved atleast one need. If we sign T. Jones it removes the need to use a pick on a RB. Here is an option to think about: Trade Dorsey to Tampa for LT Donald Penn who was franchised and switch our 2b with their 2a. Trade DJ and D. Morgan to Detriot, we switch picks in the first #2 and #5 and get their fifth. Send our worst two fifths to Cleveland for NT Shaun Rogers. Sign T. Jones, Ben Watson, S Ryan Clark and a starting Guard. Draft:
R1 #2 DE Ndamukong Suh-Nebraska
R2 #35 LB Jerry Hughes-TCU
R2 #36 CB Dominque Franks-Oklahoma
R3 #68 NT Torrell Troup-UCF
R4 #99 LB Micah Johnson-Kentucky
R5 #131 LB Jamar Chaney-Miss St.
R5 #132 WR Danario Alexander-Missouri
sounds like you're operating some magical game where all you have to do is dream it up and it happens ...
… if only reality worked like that
but it doesn’t … you ASSUME that those trades can and would happen … what if Cleaveland doesn’t like your offer or want to trade with you? what if Detroit doesn’t want Dorsey or the trade you propose? Suh is gone, so now what?
maybe the guys you want to sign decide to sign elsewhere … then what? your “draft” includes not a single OLineman … why is that? you think Cassel can survive without a good OLine?
it isn’t “just that simple” as you would like to think … sure, if you have some computer game and name yourself King of the Football Universe then yeah, anything can happen … but reality is a long ways from that
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It must be
You, the guy who complains and doesn’t offer a suggestion. I realize this won’t happen; it is an example of what I think would work. It is thought out from both sides, these ideas would help both teams.
Take the Tampa deal, after that trade they have a third year 4-3 DE who would help their d line a lot-then they could draft Okung, who should be an upgrade at OT over Penn (although he is pretty good). We get an OT to help our line, and open up a spot for Suh.
The Detriot deal helps both teams, DJ goes to a 4-3 team which he is better suited, we jump up to get Suh who projects much better in a 3-4 than Dorsey did. We add a high fifth, that makes up for the two fifths we sent to Cleveland for Rogers. Word has it that Cleveland wants a fifth for Rogers, we give them two-but get one back from Detriot.
At the end of this deal we would add all those drafted players, LT Donald Penn, NT Shaun Rodgers, a GUARD, T. Jones, Ben Watson, and S Ryan Clark
Of course, it's a dream team. Noone said this was going to happen.
You say, “Now, I do think I could do Pioli’s job.” Which is fine if you do, but I’m going to rebuff that statement. Don’t forget, Matt Millen thought he could do the same job too.
Just giving you a little perspective here.
~You are talking about a solid LT in Penn for a DT in Dorsey who still has left a lot to be desire, and we swap 2nd round picks. I’m not saying, hypothetically, that trading those two players wouldn’t work, but Tampa Bay is going to want more draft picks than that. Look at it from their point of view, Josh Freeman needs to be protected, and there are not that many good o-lineman on that line. Now Okung is considered the best o-lineman in the draft, but also was Robert Gallery in 2004. However, with Penn they know they can for sure they can keep Freeman’s left side protected.
~The Detroit trade, will admit would be more likely to happen. It seems like it would be a fair trade and we are certain that these are two of the players the Gunther wanted. Really see nothing wrong with this trade.
~One of the best NTs for one 5th rounder? Somehow have a hard time believing that report was anything more than a rumor. Jw. Where was this report? Sure we could get Rogers for a couple of draft picks, but it would take more than likely cost more than two 5th rounders to get him. However, if Rogers does only cost one 5th rounder, that might be a red flag. What happened to draw his market down so low?
Don’t get me wrong. It is a great Dream Team; noone can argue that, but if you were a GM, it would take more than what you are offering in these trades to get all of these players. As for Jones, Watson, and Clark, if you were a GM. Would you be willing to overpay for them to come to KC, if they did not want to really come here?
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 7, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
You are assuming Jones, Watson, Clark, and this starting OG want come here.
Also, why would the Lions in their right mind give up the #2 pick (Suh) and their 5th round pick for Morgan, DJ, and our #5. The Lions are reportedly really interested in Suh. Besides, Suh does not fit in the 3-4 defense. So we just traded Dorsey (Who has a year under his belt in the 3-4 defense, and is also consider a misfit in the 3-4.) for LT Donald Penn; so we can sign Suh (Who has no experience in the 3-4 defense, and would be a misfit in the defense.). Also, why would Cleveland give up Shaun Rogers for two 5th rounders?
1) Suh does not fit in the 3-4.
2) Lions think Ndamukong Suh is the best player in supposedly the best draft since 1983.
3) Gunther Cunningham already knows that DJ and Morgan are not Pro Bowl players; just reliable starter at best.
4) Branden Albert is a reliable LT. Why would we need Donald Penn?
5) Why would we want Albert to learn a new o-line position while we are in the middle of a rebuilding project?
6) Why would Cleveland accept a trade that gave us Shaun Rogers for only two 5th rounders?
7) How do you know that Jones, Watson, Clark, and this OG all want to come to KC?
8) What would you do if these four players want too much? Would you overpay for them?
9) Why give up Dorsey (A misfit 3-4 DE, with one year of experience in the system.), and pick up Suh (A misfit 3-4 DE, with no experience in the system.).
10) Drafting Suh as a 3-4 DE would result in the same type of season that Glenn Dorsey had in 2008, and Tyson Jackson had in 2009.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 6, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
OK
1-Suh does fit a 3-4, much better than Dorsey. Many think Suh would be better in a 3-4 (more space).
2- Detriot has been active in FA, they need an OT and in this class the #2 OT is sill a good player. Detriot may want to upgrade at Safety with Berry.
3- Gunther knows that DJ can help his 4-3 team.
4- OPTIONS- we would have a ton of them. Slide Waters to Center, or maybe Albert goes to RT. Maybe Rudy would play better next to a solid RG. Options that don’t include grabbing castaways from other teams. OPTIONS
5- We need to fix the line, Guard is far easier to play than Tackle. I could see if we were asking him to go from Guard to Tackle, but we aren’t.
6- I have read that they would let him go for one fifth, I said two so we aren’t outbid.
7- Good point, it is who we need and we have money and respected coaches.
8- Yes, you have to at times to set up your other moves in the draft and trades.
9- See #1, Suh is better suited for a 3-4 than Dorsey. Dorsey’s legs scare me anyway.
10- We aren’t winning the Super Bowl in 2010 regardless, so let us get it right and get our ring in 2012.
Notice anything
All of my projected trading partners are bad teams. This is how bad teams get better, trade between yourselves and move up the latter.
Bad teams get better by taking players from other bad teams?
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 7, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Also, watch the Redskins, and Raiders
Two teams who are always active in the offseason in year’s pasts, and always are stuck in the bottom half of teams in the NFL.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 7, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, 102 - keep in mind, too, that Pioli just left an org that drafted Ron Brace #1 AND re-signed Wilfork to long-term deal.
If Suh’s there, I bet they take him.
aww come on
- he got hurt – little unfair to say he is a bust for the next five years
You mean would have TRIED to just like pioli
and he would have signed 10 mins after free agency started before you could even get him in for a visit as well
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Chiefs will be competing for a division title in 2010
Pioli bashers eh?
It seems like you’re equating questioning Pioli to claiming we are smarter/have better football knowledge than him, which is a false equivalence. It’s like a college professor making a mistake on the blackboard and when a undergrad student notices it and asks about it the professor barks back I have a PhD what have you done that gives you the right to question me.
Pioli is a human like us all and is not flawless, that is all. If you want to reply that you’re addressing this to the Pioli bashers not those who were just questioning his decisions, well I haven’t seen many people insulting Pioli but people challenging/questioning/bashing his decisions. Just some food for thought.
by OmahaNick on Mar 6, 2010 6:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think "Pioli bashers" is a reference to those who physically assault the man.
Predictions:
1) Fans will feel just scads better from mid-to-end of the 2010 season.
2) During the 2021 season, Ryan Succop will become the Chiefs’ all-time leading scorer with 1469 points.
with a very large, inflatible hammer
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Slappy ///. anyone and everyone is allowed to critique and criticize and moan and complain and bitch and whine
… at least til we run out of cheese …
take me, for example: this past year I was on Pioli’s case like bread on a sandwich, yet now I find myself supporting him for NOT doing what the Bears just did, for NOT doing, basically, what he did LAST year (ie, going after FAs)
thing is, this year is so different than last year … we have a kickass draft coming up and, in theory, should get 3 or 4 starters from it, if we’re lucky … we have a couple of coordinators in place that are pretty good (especially compared to the OC we had to put up with last year)
I want us to build for the long term, not for a year or two … that means young players, the draft … so here I am supporting Pioli … not because “omg he’s the brightest guy ever to be in a GMs chair” but because, for a change, I see him doing things the RIGHT way (IMNSHO)
that said,. if people want to bitch … let ’em
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Seems like you try to be even-handed.
I’d’ve gone Monroe in ‘09, same as you, too. But after watching T-Jax, I was OK with the pick, although I think he was gambling with Cassel’s welfare, especially when Cassel got hurt in preseason…
But the gamble seems to have paid off, with a pair of very good 3-4 DEs, likely to be with the team for a good long while, and Cassel still on his feet and actually getting to STAY on his feet for more time more often, down the home stretch last season.
I’m still not sure this is the year to pursue 1st round OT, just on the basis of reports. With all the film at my fingertips (and probably 1 or more full-time guys just to put together the specific films (and angles) I wanted to see for myself), I might view things differently. If an elite left tackle were IN this draft, and I were sure of it, I wouldn’t hesitate to take him @ #5. But I also believe that RT, G and C are ALL there to be had in the 2nd-4th rounds.
I understand both sides of it
Pioli obviously knows more than any of us and does have a very VERY storng resume……but i think we have to hold him somewhat accountable for the team he puts on thie field……He hasnt proved anything to us here(yet)……So im not gonna make a judgement tell he at least has a chance to turn them around…….but in 5 years he could either be winning in the playoffs or he could be out of town
I agree ... and when you think about it, really, Pioli's resume is like ... well ...
… a free agent … Orlando Pace, for example: wow, greatness pesonified, and he barely lasted a year with Da Bears … which proves that regardless of your background and credentials, you still gotta get ’er done … on the field or in the front office
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My only beef
was not chasing a bit more after Boldin. Other than that, Most of the quality guys at their positions have been locked up, or aren’t worth it (Ala Julius Peppers) the problem as I’m seeing it, is…while some teams are looking toward the 2010 or 11 seasons, I think we’re aiming a bit slower than we might need to. A guy like Boldin brings more to the game than just production. He brings pro bowl talent and knowledge. He pushes guys like Dwayne Bowe to excell, or pushes them out of the way and shows them for dead weight. He also teaches and elevates the game of other Wide Recievers. I’m far from bashing Pioli at this point. I’m more curious as to where he’s going with this offseason, much like I was baffled last year when he drafted T Jax. I didn’t dislike the pick, it just was a rather odd one at the time. I’m sure that we’ll have some sort of understanding as to the how and why in time, but right now, It’s making me scratch my head a bit.
by BetterRedThanDead on Mar 6, 2010 7:52 PM CST reply actions
This is kind of a silly argument IMHO...
…..Herm Edwards and Tom Cable have much better football resumes that I will ever have so we can’t bash these guys either? Its a blog.
by paxi on Mar 6, 2010 7:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bingo
I think it was pretty pretentious of Rev. Slappy to pull the “You haven’t won 3 Super Bowls hence you are an idiot” card.
I wonder what Slappy does for a living that makes him an authority on what makes a good GM and we’re not?
Exactly and that's what pissed me off...
So far, all we can judge Pioli on is last season and we only won 4 games so, right now, us bringing in Pioli is comparable to Chicago bringing in Orlando Pace.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 6, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
except... not at all
If Pioli had a mental condition that was going to make him pretty much mentally incapable after 1-2 years, THEN that would be comparable to Pace.
It’s just not a fair comparison. Pace is mentally every bit as good as he’s ever been – he’s just old and worn down and physically not able to perform like he did before.
Until a GM/Coach gets waaaay up there in age, there is no “tread on the tires” comparison to whether or not they are capable of carrying out their duties.
Marv Levy was like 106 and still working with the Bills. Offensive linemen will almost never play past their late 30’s – 40 tops.
The Pace comparison works when looking at the credentials aspect – but falls apart when looking at future potential due to the wildly different circumstances surrounding their respective roles.
by Ochophosphate on Mar 6, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli has already lasted longer than Pace
… and Pace is one darnned good example of why I dislike FAs … especially the ones with draft picks attached to tender offers …
I’ll take draft picks any day when building a team, tyvm
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neither Edwards nor Cable are sporting any hardware
So it falls short of Slappy’s argument. I’m not advocating his argument, but if I’m taking it to the level that you just did – the fucking waterboy has a better “football resume” than I do.
by Ochophosphate on Mar 6, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Bring in Antonio Bryant. Have Haley tell him where he'll play, who's in charge, and offer him a contract..
if he doesnt like it then that means he didnt like Haley which is a fine reason no to sign, but at least we would’ve made a move at him. We need a player of his caliber at the #2 or slot.
Also Bodden
they are saying over at PatsPulpit
that Bodden may be wanting a contract upwards of what Robinson got, so Im pretty sure we would be out on him, as for Bryant I think he and Haley would probably not get along as he has a history of getting into with his HC, so I think we are out on both of them
from what I've read on ABryant ... he and Haley could start a thermonuclear war if they were on the same sideline
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Haley...
got into fights with Boldin in AZ during a game. So if anyone knows how to handle wideouts like Bryant its Todd.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
so, starting WW 3 is your idea of "proper handling of players?"
right then!
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Whatever...
it takes to win. lol.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 7, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
He is talented...
though no doubt. And he would be a perfect fit for the split wideout position. If Haley believes he can tame Bryant we should definately bring him in.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
Only one with balls enough to say what he does
Looks like Slappy’s point is proven.
OK...the Koolaid buzz is gone now. I'm forced to admit that the state of the team had deteriorated far beyond what I had realized. The good news is I get to start mixing up a fresh batch of koolaid for next year. Oh Yeah!
As Paxi said above
Herm Edwards and Tom Cable know more about football than we do. Does that mean they are succesful?
define successful
do they have millions of dollars doing something they love and continue to do what they love for a ton of cash? yes, they are successful.
Cable is a prick, but finally seems to have Al’s attention. being a QB away from the playoffs, he will be.
Herm’s gone to the playoff’s, won a bunch of games, so, yeah, he’s had NFL success.
Carl Peterson had NFL success, too. just not THE success, the Lombardi trophy.
Not sure its been brought up at all but what if the Boldin thing wasnt actually anything?
What if we had no intention of getting him? What if Arizona slipped info that we were involved or called Todd up to “pretend” only to leverage more out of the Ravens? It would certainly be believable and convincing to me considering the connections if I was the Ravens.
Info today was that New England was never involved and I highly doubt that info considering the Chiefs involvement came from our side thats always locked up tight. We’ll probably never know but its certainly a very realistic possibility.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
If this is the case kudos to the Cards.
Because they turned that extra pick into Kerry Rhodes.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 6, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
As for the provocative subject line, if job description disqualifies one from criticism, might as well fold up AP right now!
I’ve criticized a LOT of times, when I thought things weren’t being done correctly under Peterson. And I defended him for a long time, and I defended Marty for a long time, even though I was pretty sure Marty didn’t understand offense, and had a tendency to cross the “beat your big men down” versus “build ’em up” line. And I’ve hated virtually every high-round pick Peterson ever spent on a RB, when the team had other needs. O-Line? Mostly either an eyes-closed 1st-rounder or a 5th-round wish and a prayer. No 2nd-/3rd-round commitment to O-Line, in general.
I’ve done my share of defending Peterson and KC coaches, when I thought there wasn’t enough info available to make some judgements. I’ve spent a good deal of time doing the same for Haley and Pioli, since they came in. There was a point, there, at midseason, when Waters and Albert were ALSO stinkin’ up the joint, when I thought Haley was a total loser. But they toughed it through those stretches, and review of MOST of the game video showed Albert and Waters as mostly playing well on a poor team. The fact that I got to see the O-Line actually put up a WALL for Cassel in the last few games was VERY encouraging.
So I’m pretty optimistic for the coming draft, where Pioli has a lotta leeway to do his team a lotta good, by going in a number of different directions at the same time.
I'm glad this shit hole "fan shot" has only one Rec.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 7, 2010 10:04 AM CST reply actions
Finally...
I knew this post was good for a laugh somewhere…
Pioli already signed Copper and Battle
KC is $70 million under the cap – if there was a cap
The team is set for 2010
What is there to complain about?
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
AIG, GM, Enron
Those three companies had CEOs with ridiculous qualifications. That doesn’t mean that they were doing their jobs well. Nor does it mean that people shouldn’t question their judgment. Remember when Coca-Cola launched New Coke? The best and brightest in America made that decision, which ended up being one of the biggest business fiascos in history.
Now, I’m pretty confident Pioli will turn this ship around. But if there’s anything I’ve learned during the Carl Peterson era, it’s that fans need to hold the GM accountable. The fans continued to give Peterson a second chance. We’re through giving second chances. People should be more patient, but perfectly understandable if they’re not. They’ve waited long enough.
No second chances?
But looks like he isn’t even getting a first chance without everyone going ballistic.
OK...the Koolaid buzz is gone now. I'm forced to admit that the state of the team had deteriorated far beyond what I had realized. The good news is I get to start mixing up a fresh batch of koolaid for next year. Oh Yeah!
I've always said "Question Everything and Everyone"
if they’re right and you’re wrong, no worries … but always question authority, because power corrupts and absolute power really screws with mice’s brains in controlled laboratory experiments
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