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Chiefs Make Their Second Move Of Free Agency

The Kansas City Chiefs have made their second move in free agency. This morning the club re-signed Terrance Copper, according to Josh Looney of KCChiefs.com.

Copper was an unrestricted free agent.

Copper was mainly a special teams player for the Chiefs in 2009 but did have one memorable catch in one memorable game.

On the Chiefs first offensive play of the final game of the season against the Denver Broncos, Matt Cassel went deep to Copper for 50 yards. It of course represented his longest play of the season.

Copper originally signed with the Chiefs last March. His familiarity with Todd Haley dates back to 2004 when he signed with the Dallas Cowboys as an undrafted free agent. Haley was with the Cowboys at that time.

Copper will turn 28 years old next week.

This is the second move the Chiefs have made in free agency. They re-signed RB Jackie Battle on Friday.

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i am sure people will bitch about this

But, he’s a valuable role player

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB

by stagdsp on Mar 6, 2010 10:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Actually

I do agree with you….I could see him as a Pro Bowl ST gunner. He is always in on ST tackles.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yep he was always in on ST plays

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 6, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

hmm...

the player i remwmber being in on a lot of st tackles was belcher

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ya, Belcher

Jovan should be starting at strong side ILB this year.

by chiefsfan62 on Mar 6, 2010 11:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Woohoo!!

Move over Bears!! KC is coming out HOT today!

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 10:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

The Bears overspent on all those players...

I wanted no part of Peppers anyway.

The only guy I would have wanted was Dansby, but Miami overspent for him… We probably could have had Bolden, but then again that guy can’t stay healthy so Im okay with the slow start.

I love this time of year.... The Royals are always in first place!!!

by averagegatsby on Mar 6, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I couldnt agree more

I feel that everyone that signed yesterday was way overpaid and Im glad we werent the ones paying it, Boldin would have been nice but a 3rd and 4th were too much

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

But when your 4-12 you have to overspend. Money is your only leverage.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 10:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Super Bowl winners aren't built through Free Agency

I love this time of year.... The Royals are always in first place!!!

by averagegatsby on Mar 6, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

agree if we were going to give up multiple picks for a player I would rather

have got Wilfork or even Sproles I think he could have done more for us then Boldin as he can return kicks as well

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree but boldin was just a dream of mine since last year. i wouldn’t of gave up two picks though…i don’t know why everyone wants sproles. we would be overpaying for a return man..he is a weapon but we need a power back

by dwill_pittst on Mar 6, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

They aren't built

Exclusively through the draft either…

It’s a nice mix…

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 11:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

those kinds of drafts

like getting one of the greatest qbs (brady) so late are one in thousands. You have to go after proven players as well. Not just the draft.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

yes because out of all the FA signed yesterday

how many superbowl wins do they have between them

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

who knows

what those players will or can bring to the table.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

so why overpay for them

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe

two years ago we tried to rebuild through the draft. how is that going. it has to be a mix and we also may have to overpay for a couple playermakers at some point. my .02

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

maybe

two years ago we tried to rebuild through the draft. how is that going. it has to be a mix and we also may have to overpay for a couple playermakers at some point. my .02

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

maybe

two years ago we tried to rebuild through the draft. how is that going. it has to be a mix and we also may have to overpay for a couple playermakers at some point. my .02

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

maybe

two years ago we tried to rebuild through the draft. how is that going. it has to be a mix and we also may have to overpay for a couple playermakers at some point. my .02

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

actually I think that's .08 cents

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 6, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ha!

good call. texting these comments and having difficulty. i also want to apologize for all of my posts from now until something more positive happens.

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

basically only way to go was up

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Why place the blame of Carl's sins on the head of Pioli

I love this time of year.... The Royals are always in first place!!!

by averagegatsby on Mar 6, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Copper. Excellent special teamer.

Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010

by ChiefsChance on Mar 6, 2010 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

Me too.

Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010

by ChiefsChance on Mar 6, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Awesome......

A great one- two punch. We should be a lot better this year!!!!

Brodie's better than Cassel

by choirboy on Mar 6, 2010 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

wouldnt this be our third move?

i mean Cooper, Smith and the incredible Palko, we can short change ourselves!

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 6, 2010 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

Moves like this....

will simply not get anything done. Do something Pioli!

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

the dust is settling

all our moves from here are going to be calculated, and they will be good moves, not knee jerk reactions!

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 6, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Copper is

One of the ‘right 53’.

by chiefsfan62 on Mar 6, 2010 11:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

cuz our right 53

has not gotten us anywhere but 4 wins…

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

we are less then 2 years into this

how about giving it some time, its still better then the 2 wins the year before Pioli got here isnt it

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

True--cant get much worse

We can’t have negative wins thank God

by Ren on Mar 6, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

53

i could have taken 22 guys off the street and won four games

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

well ...
its still better then the 2 wins the year before Pioli got here isnt it

I’ll get back to ya on that about January

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Mar 6, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a question?

How long does this coaching staff get, before everyone turns on them? Most of you guys give Herm 2 years after he started the rebuild through the draft, so after this year his time is up right? I’m not saying Herm was good but just saying.

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 6, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Technically Herm only got one year

He wanted to do it sooner, but his last season was the only one he truly got to do things the way he wanted.

by bh13 on Mar 6, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I know

But if you defend Herm in here or your not with the majority, or don’t say the right thing in here your a idiot.

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 6, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, I start to see the brilliant plan forming...

stick with the same team as last year, go 4-12 again, and secure another top 5 pick. Exciting!

by KCMizzou on Mar 6, 2010 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

so you want them to go spend a ton of money of a FA just for the sake of signing someone

even if they dont fit our team chemistry. Well lets sign T.O to the biggest contract ever so he can be disruptive in the locker room and create headaches and tension and we will go 1-15 next year, even more exciting

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't recall

where exactly I said any of that.

by KCMizzou on Mar 6, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Pioli is great...and very smart

But you can’t keep making excuses for him saying he is making ‘calculated moves’ or ‘building through the draft’

You simply cannot build a championship through the draft alone. You only get maybe 2-3 starters out of a draft…ok with 22 starters your looking at 10yrs to build a team.

We need good FA to help our team. We can’t keep signing 3rd tier guys and expect them to get us in the playoffs.

The longer you wait the more good players will be gone. Waiting in FA means you are losing out.

Sometimes you have to overspend….you have to. All teams do it. The Giants did it with Rolle…you saying they are dumb? No way!

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 11:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I can't look it up this second

But I bet you that they did. You have to!

You think the Saints drafted Drew Brees? You think they drafted their entire defense? No!

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 11:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And that was still a four-year project

We’ve haven’t even gotten into year two of ours.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius

by ArrowSpread on Mar 6, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

no they didnt draft Brees but

his contract was 6 years $60 million thats not overspending, thats being smart about how you spend, and who did they bring in on defense that they overpaid for

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

i guarantee you banshee

that guys like you were saying “WOW they overpaid him tremendously. He’s injury prone. That was stupid.”

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Nobody believed in him anymore

That’s why he went to a shitty team then.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

all of that was more an example

of how stupid Chargers mgmt is than anything else.

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 6, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

true that

kept the chargers from coming close to a super bowl

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

wow so now you know me

what Im I thinking right now

I never thought that about Brees I thought SD was stupid for letting him go

by banshee_01 on Mar 6, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

all im saying

is that people with the view of teams are idiots for overpaying players out of free agency, look at guys like Brees as being a big risk.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Free agency

is a big risk, big reward deal. With a team like ours whose won 6 games our last 2 seasons, something must change; take big risks to get big rewards.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

everybody loves to bring up

the redskins. what about the other teams that paid off getting the free agents and actually doing something? That’s why its a big risk, big reward. Shitty teams like us have to do drastic things like this.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

classify

“way overspent” big name players in fa get big money. Look at cassel. its a given. I’m coming back to what I said before its BIG RISK BIG REWARD. you dont always win but you have to take chances when you are this shitty

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

brees, reggie white, deion sanders

all big paydays. all big rewards. there ya go.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

And I believe

they were already on the verge of winning a SB cuz of players that they drafted

by badassz1987 on Mar 6, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

yup

b/c he wasn’t a proven player. he threw to welker and randy moss that’s what made him look good.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

I was one of the guys that said that, and i guess i was right.Throwing to Welker and Moss did make him look better.

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 6, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

we've done some drastic things the last two years

New GM, new HC, new OC, DC, a bunch of new coaches, new QB

Now just give them a chance to follow through

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 6, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

No

I actually thought SD was stupid for letting him go

by badassz1987 on Mar 6, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I did too

but its not what most of the league thought.

by ChiefsFanInTexas on Mar 6, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

The Giants should have been looking at a running back in FA

And not overspending on a FS. Their DLine was the reason their safety play was so bad.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius

by ArrowSpread on Mar 6, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

So yes, that was dumb.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius

by ArrowSpread on Mar 6, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Copper was a decent ST guy

But we need guys that
a) Can catch the &^%^‘in BALL!
b) Can stop the other team from catching the &^%^&’in BALL!
c) Can block so we can throw the &^%^‘in BALL!
d) Can stop the other team from runnin the &^&*’in BALL!

by Ren on Mar 6, 2010 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

+1

well said

by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 12:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It was

It was a signing and thats it. If you expect me to pump my fist in the air or high five my wife your crazy. These guys are a dime a dozen as undrafterd free agents

by Razortongue on Mar 6, 2010 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

what are they doing

i have been a chiefs fan for along time and i dont understand why we are signing this players that dont even start and they wouldnt even be on other teams practice squad i dont understand this organization hasnt even proven anything to any of us and here they are wanting us to buy season tickets i dont think it will happen not for me anyway not until they prove something.

by Brennen on Mar 6, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

not every player on a football team starts, but you still need them

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 6, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Come on guys

All of the frantic screeching of the last two days on us not signing these high profile FA is an exact illustration of why the Redskins suck. Their owner Dan Snyder runs the team like an emotional fan, which I assume he is, rather than as a well prepared executive. A good executive builds a plan and a variety of contingency plans. He then follows these plans to methodically build a team which has all the parts that fit together and is fiscally sustainable.
D

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 6, 2010 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

weird

that D at the end wouldn’t let me delete it.

You sometimes learn something everyday.

"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 6, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

This feels like the Chiefs

are trying to throw scraps to the fans to fool us into thinking they are active. Everyone is saying we shouldn’t over spend. fine, pull off a trade or something. Our team has to add proven players to show the rookies we draft how it’s done. You can’t expect college players to come in and win a SB against grown men that know how to be Pros.

by TonyG88 on Mar 6, 2010 12:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

ummm, actually ...
You can’t expect college players to come in and win a SB against grown men that know how to be Pros

… that’s what the coaches are for: help the kids grow into men at the next level … that’s why they went out and hired a REAL DC and a REAL OC … both of whom should educate the kid HC on how to be a PRO

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Mar 6, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The value of Copper ...

has gone up !

Pioli heard Copper value may rise due to the Chilean quake so he signed him right away

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Mar 6, 2010 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

I'm Doing Backflips Right Now...

this is the most exciting news I’ve seen since we signed Battle. Great job, Pioli. Sign another player that nobody else would want anyways, deceiving us fans into thinking your methodical tactics are falling into place. We will be another lackluster team this season if he continues to try to churn from the bottom of the roster up. I’m sorry, I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that we have money and are not using it. I’m tired of all of the excuses for the brass and the drab comparisons to the Foreskins or any other team who over-spent. Guarantee you the Bears will be a better team this year with their three acquisitions. My grandpa was an intelligient man. He claimed that if you never take the risk, you will never know the reward…

Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:

1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass

by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 6, 2010 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

Complain all you want

but Copper is a solid special teams guy. You need some of those guys too. Not everybody on the roster is going to be a superstar. I’m glad he’s back.

by bh13 on Mar 6, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Complaining About Copper...

specifically, just the lack of FA moves. Just wish we’d actually pursue someone who didn’t don a Chiefs jersey last year. Something to help us get better, I’m begging….

Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:

1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass

by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 8, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

We aren't complaining about Copper,

Were complaining that Copper is the story of the damn day!!!

by JC25FoMVP on Mar 6, 2010 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

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