Pioli and the Chiefs Might Need to Demonstrate More Urgency This Offseason
by Jon Yoon on Mar 6, 2010 1:24 PM CST
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PrintOkay, this is a situation that really has me torn. On the one hand, I have never believed in the idea of building a team through free agency. On the other hand, I think this year is a slightly different circumstance.
First, the Chiefs have a ton of cap room to toy around with and given that they likely won't sign a blue-chip free agent, it's hard to imagine that they'll put much of a dent into their $41M payroll, which is the lowest in the NFL. Second, the fan base is starting to drift. It's kind of hard to make money when fans feeling the hit of the recession aren't willing to dole out their hard-earned cash for expensive tickets and merchandise. Third, I think you're beginning to see that losers have a hard time attracting good talent to play for them. Especially in a smaller market. On the one hand, perhaps Pioli did everything he could to bring in elite free agents but couldn't convince those players to play for a losing team. On the other hand, I feel that most free agents can be coaxed at the right price. Until the Chiefs start winning, it's going to continue to become difficult to bring in top-flight free agents. Finally, it's an uncapped year, so if there was ever a time to commit to moves that were non-cap threatening, this would be the time.
Because the pool of Unrestricted Free Agents has been pretty poor this season, I'm not exactly crying in my Cheerios that the Chiefs haven't made a bunch of big moves. However, I do feel like they could have made a bigger play for several players. More after the jump.
No Anquan Boldin? That's okay
This is where my logic gets confusing, so you'll just have to bear with me. I commented on a widely-read thread a few days ago about the possibility of bringing Anquan Boldin into Kansas City. I wasn't overly excited about Boldin and here's why. Boldin will turn 30 in October, which is usually a pretty critical turning point for any player, particularly one playing a speed position. But he's also a very old 30--he's missed a few games per year almost every season he's been a pro due to injury and he plays a very physical game. If he can't stay healthy in his early 20's, it's hard to imagine he can stay consistently healthy north of his 30's.
I believe he can give about 2-3 very productive years and then a few semi-productive years after that. He is a tremendous pickup for a team like the Ravens that are a few pieces away from making a Super Bowl run. For a rebuilding team like the Chiefs, almost all of his value would have been had in years where the Chiefs were far from a Super Bowl calibre team. When his career peaks and he starts to hit his eventual downhill slide, I believe that's the point where the Chiefs will start to become the team we expect them to be.
So in my opinion, the only reason the Chiefs would have made this move was to put butts in seats and to build confidence for the team. Boldin is a guy who could have helped the Chiefs win a few more games in the next season, but wouldn't have taken them to the promised land. Is that really worth two draft picks? In my opinion, no. So yeah, I'm a big proponent of building through the draft. I know I'm alone on this, but I just don't think trading two pretty high draft picks for an older veteran is a move you want to make for a rebuilding organization looking to build a long-term foundation. I'm not crushed about losing out on Boldin.
No Julius Peppers? That's Okay
This move would have been wrong for so many reasons. First, he'd be transitioning to a 3-4 defense which will take some time for him to learn. Unlike Boldin, he wouldn't be a huge contributor right away. Second, by the time he figures it out, he'll probably have peaked and he won't be the elite playmaker we need several years from now.
So yeah, Peppers would have come without draft pick baggage attached to him, but he wasn't a guy the Chiefs should have targeted anyway.
Wrong Moves: Kevin Walter and Chris Chambers
These are two decisions that really confuse me and maybe with the Chiefs passing up on Boldin, that increases the urgency of getting a deal done with Chambers. I just don't think there's any excuse to not bring in a productive stopgap veteran receiver, even if that means overpaying him. I like Walters better not because he's better than Chambers, but because he probably has a little bit more gas in the tank.
Obviously, both of these options are worse than Boldin and I'm not suggesting that they are difference-makers who are going to completely change this franchise. But you don't have to sacrifice valuable draft picks to bring them in as stopgaps, they play a position the Chiefs badly need, and it's not like they'd take playing time away from some bright young options. Even if you draft a young player, you can keep him in the slot for a year or two, then move him to an x- or y-option when Chambers or Walters starts to decline. There is simply no excuse to lose out on both of these guys. If you overpay for either of those guys, you can probably land them. And at this point, yes, I believe it is of critical importance to at least have a stopgap who can play the position very well if only for 1-2 more years. If the Chiefs don't make a big move for a solid receiver (including retaining Chambers), that will be a huge mistake, in my opinion.
Wrong moves: Chester Taylor, Antrel Rolle, and Karlos Dansby
Now, granted, I have no idea how big of a play the Chiefs made for Taylor, Rolle, or Dansby. Maybe they made a huge play, threw a big contract at them, and they still didn't budge. Maybe these guys didn't even remotely consider playing for the Chiefs because they are a losing team. I don't know. But at the same time, I also believe that most players can be had at the right price. And when you're a losing team, you have to realize that you have to pay just a little bit more to convince good players to come in. This goes back to my point that if you have to overpay for them, who cares? In an uncapped year for a team that is so far below the maximum cap, why are we worried about cap value?
Taylor's slightly different because he's a little older and would only serve the role as a change-of-pace back, but he's still perfect for what the Chiefs need. Rolle and Dansby are two young players with a lot of mileage left in their body playing positions the Chiefs critically need. With Rolle, he allows you to fill in one of two Safety spots they need to improve. Here's what confuses me about not aggressively pursuing Dansby: it's not like your in-house guy, DJ, is a guy you've shown a lot of confidence in (and frankly, I like Dansby much more than I like DJ). If you bring in a more productive ILB, you can probably trade DJ away for picks. You get a more productive LB, some picks on the side, and you probably pay just a little bit more than you would have paid to keep DJ in 2011 anyway.
Again, it's tough to judge based on not knowing how active the Chiefs actually were in trying to bring these guys in, so I'm not saying the Chiefs screwed up. I think most fans would agree, however, that based on the information we have, it seems like there wasn't a whole lot of urgency. I'm sure that was just a little weird and confusing to most.
This is going to take longer than we thought
As Joel mentioned, this is a tough pill to swallow, especially now knowing that the Bears' total offseason is going to be more expensive than the Chiefs' entire 2010 payroll. I still trust that Pioli can straighten things out and get it right, but it is very tough news for Chiefs' fans to know that the 2010 Chiefs are expecting to improve through one draft, improvements from players currently on the roster, and probably a few B-list free agent pickups. We knew the Chiefs probably would be borderline playoff contenders in 2010 in even the most optimistic of scenarios, so it's not like we feel that these moves were franchise-altering misses.
The tough part is that Pioli will have to pitch to an increasingly disengaged fan base that the Chiefs are still taking baby steps for a team that needs to take a huge leap to become a legit contender.
Maybe the Chiefs are just getting their ducks in a row for the 2011 offseason where hopefully a new CBA passes, more unrestricted free agents will hit the market, and free agents can be had at a more reasonable price. I'm willing to be patient during the process, but if I'm Pioli, I'd be a little concerned that the fans will continue to become disengaged and good players will continue to shy away from this team until the Chiefs start to show marked leaps in the right direction.
Again, I'm not saying the Chiefs screwed up by not making any big moves so far. I'm just a little surprised by the decision.
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I agree
We needed to make a public move for atleast Dansby to show we are trying to sign a guy.
Boldin was a trading war and if we gave up 2 high picks for him the fanbase might be mad about that.
Dansby is the guy I would have shelled out for big money. But could daddy in law have something to do with that??
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 1:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Dansby wanted Miami all along
we probably would have had to double the contract he got just to get him here
i dont get it...
why would anybody be upset about giving up a couple draft picks for a proven probowl caliber WR that we TOTALLY need?
We have too many needs to use two picks on one player.
We don’t have the luxury of having a playoff caliber that Baltimore has.
when you have as many needs as we do
giving up multiply draft picks for a player on the backside of his career isnt smart
Yes, its a high-risk high-reward option
Pioli has always built through the draft and only used FAs to supplement the young talent. Yes, he may be a bust, but the other side of that is that he may be a HOFer.
by Daniel Wilkes on Mar 6, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, Pioli's 1st 2 rounds are as low-risk as he can make them.
As for the lower rounds, you get highest probability of success by increasing the number of picks you have to spend. Teams are large systems. Systematic approaches are needed. Systematic approaches never seem to make sense to quick-fix instant gratification expectations.
by hmills110 on Mar 6, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
agreed and rec'd
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
we gave up a 2nd rounder
for an old LB and a career backup QB with 15 games under his belt last yr….why not give up our other 2nd rounder for a probowl WR?
Especially when one of those fills a major need and the other isn’t exactly a slouch.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Yes, a franchise QB and a proven veteran leader for one 2nd round pick? I’d take that any day for a franchise in the Chief’s position.
by Daniel Wilkes on Mar 6, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
A 3rd and 4th....that's expensive
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just my opinion...
I would have given them our second 2nd round pick for boldin….the guy is only 30 yrs old and one hell of a WR and competitor.
WR is not a HUGE need for us right now NT is LB is OL is
no WR alone has ever led a team to a superbowl win
there are several huge needs for this team
and so far we have addressed ZERO that is why people are upset. Im not saying we should have signed Boldin but Dansby could have been had, and would have helped this team tremendously! And from the looks of things we didnt try to make a play at him.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
we set a record for dropped passes last yr
the last i knew, if you catch the ball, that results in first downs and may end up resulting in points on the board..Our receivers suck ass.
No, but
a good WR can drastically improve the play of your QB, which is your team leader on offense. The better the QB, the better your entire offense…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 6, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Agree, banshee_01
no WR alone has ever led a team to a superbowl win
And even the great Jerry Rice was teamed up with one of the best OLs in the league, backed one of the best defenses (starting with d-line) in the league.
I would have done
Our 2b for AB and the Cards 4th & 5th
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
a 2nd is way too much for him
we could use that 2nd to get a WR that has more then 4-5 years left to play
i dont get you guys way of thinking
There is no gaurantees through the draft. You see BUSTS all the time. Boldin is a PROVEN PRO BOWLER….knows Haleys system inside and out, and could have another 5-7 yrs left in him….HE"S 30!!
agree hes 30 with multiple playoff game experiance and SB experiance
not some 21 college kid with zero experiance who is going to get mentored by D. Bowe. Bringing in Boldin would have brought SB and playoff knowledge to help Bowe and whatever draft pick we use on a WR.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Re: Build through the draft
Because you’re talking about a guy who probably has 3 years (5 years very optimistically) left in his body vs. two guys who could potentially be major contributors for 10. That’s a move you make when you want to win now. But if you think the Chiefs’ Super Bowl window won’t open until about 2-3 years from now, then you’d rather have the guy who can get you 10.
And with two picks at that level, it shouldn’t be hard to find one major contributor to this team. Fullbacks, Guards, Centers, Right Tackles… those are all sweet spots in the draft. Inside linebackers, halfbacks, and safeties are usually good bets there too.
Yes, it’s a gamble. But given that we’re weighing one veteran (Boldin) who can win games when we’re not competitive, vs. one and potentially two guys who can help us win games when we are competitive, you can see the point here.
by Jon Yoon on Mar 6, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
im all for building through the draft
we just have to have proven players on this team now to help them along the way. You want D. Bowe and Copper and Wade teaching our new draftees how to catch and return kicks? I certainly dont.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Still...
You want to bring in guys that KNOW how to win. Boldin is that guy. Boldin brings that attitude to the team. He mentors other players. He EXPECTS to win and he PLAYS to win. He knows this system already. The Chiefs have plenty of money and could have made bigger plays for some of these guys but didnt…they are being cheap. And if any of their draft picks pan out, they will be gone after their first contract is up because the chiefs will be cheap then too….ala Jared Allen….so your arguement about boldin only lasting 3-4 more yrs vs a younger player gets thrown out cause that younger player will leave the Chiefs in the same timespan
And being from AZ I know
That Boldin was looking to get paid. So all it would have took was outbidding Baltimore…..they offered him a contract and the Chiefs decided they were not going to spend that kind of money…..even though we have it to spend.
You dont know that it was cuz of the $
I say it had more to do with giving up multiple draft picks for him
i don't think money was ever the issue
it as the draft picks. pioli is stingy with his picks. giving 2 for 1 is a massive taboo in his book.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
I think the bigger issue is that Boldin can't stay healthy for a full season
Couple that with his wanting to be paid like a #1 receiver and stats that say he’s no longer the explosive player he used to be, it’s not surprising to me that the Chiefs wouldn’t make a huge play for him.
He'll be #1 in Baltimore
He’s head and shoulders above their other guys
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 6, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I'm not convinced that he's a significant upgrade over Derrick Mason.
The improvement to Baltimore will be having both of them on the field at once.
He was and IS a #1 reciever
The Cardinals just happened to draft Larry Fiztgerald….arguably the best WR in the league.
Respectfully, I believe he is only a #1 receiver in the loosest possible sense.
Anquan Boldin, at this point, is a very good wide receiver. He’s one of the toughest receivers in the game. But he’s not a #1 receiver on the level of Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, or maybe even Randy Moss, at this late stage. He doesn’t separate from top level defensive backs particularly well, from what I’ve seen.
I would much, much rather have Steve Breaston than Anquan Boldin, especially if I were the Cardinals with Larry Fitzgerald and Early Doucet still in the fold.
Re:
Allen left because Peterson lowballed him and used his ‘at risk’ behavior as leverage. The Patriots had a history of retaining 2nd contract players, so that’s not something I’m worried about.
If the Chiefs get one 10-year starter out of the 3rd or 4th round, they’ve already won by not moving on Boldin. And that’s not that hard to do, especially if you buy that Pioli (when armed with a full scouting team) is pretty good at the draft. I get what you’re saying about Boldin leading by example. But if that’s all you want, there are plenty of those types of players who could do that without sacrificing picks. Torry Holt is a washed-up veteran who could do that practically for free.
Because other than teaching Chiefs’ players work ethic, I don’t know how much Boldin contributes to bringing this team to the Super Bowl. I see him helping the team win a few more games during years when they’re probably not going to be competing for the Super Bowl anyway.
he's also proven to have injuries
and since he’s on the other side of 30 you can’t guarantee he’s going to stay healthy you are taking a just as big of a risk except if you go the draft route you have a higher reward potential
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
a proven to get hurt and overpriced WR doesn't help a bit when the Oline has more holes than the proverbial Dutch dike
… I’d rather have those 2 draft picks and end up with 2 good young players who can contribute for a collective 10-20 years between them than have that one WR who can contribute on the fringe for 2-3 years on a part tiem basis when he’s not hurt or being moody
yes, on the fringe … his value is marginal at best when the QB doesn’t have enough time to throw … then too, I’d rather have a diff QB out there as well, but that’s another story
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
i really wanted dansby
maybe let him go there because of sweet trade last year for 2OLs
bears got what they needed…
i don’t think i want RFAs this year….
we a sweet draft ahead….. hate to give any pics away this year.
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 6, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone is sick of B-list FA's
what did that get us last year? 4 wins. We could have made a play for any of these top tier FA’s and gained more steam to go along with the pickups of Crennel and Weis. Signing Dansby alone would have caused KC to go into an uproar of excitement. Just seeing KC highlighted on NFLN and ESPN and hearing our team being broken down because we have Weis and Crennel and ______ big name FA would have stoked the common fans interest in this team again. Signing ______ B-list FA is not going to get it done.
A good free agency period and a good draft very well could have made us contendors in the AFC West. Either way its only day two and the longer we wait the more top tier guys are going to sign somewhere else. Hopefully there is something big in the makings that is why we havent heard any news other than Palko, Copper, and Smith.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
by jrcnc on Mar 6, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I dont want to built a team through free agency
I want to add a couple of proven free agents…Thats all….not a washhed up scrub on the backside of his career, or a good locker room guy…I mean somebody in their prime that makes plays and shows the young players how to do it. Not tells them how to do because they can no longer do it. I want somebody you can rely on, on this team. Not a rookie, who may or may not pan out….I like our young players, but we need some PROVEN talent. Not college proven talent NFL proven talent….Im pissed we have not done ANYTHING even though we have the money to do it. Chiefs are being cheap…period
by KCinAZ on Mar 6, 2010 1:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not Worried
Pioli cares about winning, it will happen, just maybe not as soon as people want, which is actually depressing me a little bit cause I think we need something to energize this fan base.
Jon Yoon you ever going to get an avatar or just going to keep the star?
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
i ask because that damn star reminds me of Dallas!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Not sure why people dont understand this very simple fact
we had no chance of signing any of those FA yesterday. Everyone of them already had their minds made up about where they were gunna sign and those teams waaay overpaid to make sure they didnt go anywhere else
And your their agent or something??
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
damn near every player is going to be overpaid in an uncapped yr
hell we just gave Vrable 3mil for one yr
Re: signing those FAs
Like I said, no idea what went on behind the scenes. Maybe they did everything they could.
But in my unknowing mind, I can’t imagine that the Chiefs could have contended by overpaying the overpayers. Which, given our cap situation, wouldn’t have hurt just to bring at least one of those kinds of guys in. Don’t you think?
Its not just about cap, its about total money
we’re a small market franchise that has had trouble getting rears in the seats the last couple of seasons and our ownership just committed significant money towards a stadium overhaul that is just finishing. We might have cap space, but we don’t have the money if the wins we gain from it aren’t going to give a significant return on capital.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
it is not just not about Cap.....
first i would like to say Mr Hunt has a lot of money….. second that you if do not invest in your business… you will be out of business. so… team loses .. no fans pay to watch them play or buy team stuff… you still have to pay to keep the lights on still have over head… you lose money….
I am suggesting we get a couple of Fa’s not break the bank on them but a couple that will not cost us draft picks and help to win games… if we try and rebuild ONLY through the draft it could take a lot longer then even the most loyal fans could wait….
The Chiefs have been bad for THREE YEARS!
People act like this team hasn’t produced a winner in a generation. The Chiefs have only bottomed out in the last three years, and two of those 3 years have been total blow-it-up-and-rebuild years from two different GMs. This was a playoff team 3 years ago (though not a very good one). If people can’t wait another couple of years they are shitty, shitty fans.
Also, it’s been said on these boards with astounding frequency: you don’t build a dynasty through free agency. Pioli is not Carl Peterson, hoping to back into the playoffs every year.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Mar 6, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
regarding NFLN or ESPN
It still bugs me when I remember Chris Berman’s refence to us as the “Red Tomato Cans”…
by chiefsfan62 on Mar 6, 2010 1:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Chris Berman is a fat fuck.
I hate the sportscasters like Berman that make it all about them. And I hate the stupid fucking nicknames.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Mar 6, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
berman
its time to leave he is a joke
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It's just a little frustrating
to be thinking, “maybe next year” in March. We have holes. My grandma can tell us that. But the biggest hole is in our payroll…let’s fill that hole by filling a few on the field.
I thought
for sure we’d at least get one of those guys.
Fans pay Pioli's salary
He better do something to make us happy or or or…..dammit!! I won’t do anything but whine and complain
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 1:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Winning cures all
and we will start winning this season. This I know.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
I hope your quote in my sig is right
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 6, 2010 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think it is
I wrote that in comparing my gf’s tumor to the challenges of the chiefs season last year, and since then, her and I have become stronger. I have no doubt that the Chiefs will end up stronger too.
Now our Chiefs have gone through three tough seasons, but we have the best coaching staff in the NFL, the GM of the decade according to Sporting News, and a bunch of early draft picks. We will be competing for a playoff spot this year. I am confident in that.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
Actually the Hunt family pays his salary.
The Chiefs make exponentially more money from various revenue sharing enterprises the NFL has in place than they do from game day attendance.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Exactly what I've been saying
you don’t build your team through free agency,but you do add pro bowl players for the right price and an unproven 2nd round pick is worth it for a proven guy like Boldin, especially for 7 mill a year we have plenty of $$ and that is NOT overpaying! The draft is the core of your team but you should jump at certain guys when the price is right. its good to hear the AP braintrust agree
by CHEEFN58 on Mar 6, 2010 1:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
And at the right time
FA’s have less of a shelf life than the draft picks. It is not the time in our rebuild, to shell out big money or draft picks for a FA, at any position. It is all a matter of bang for the buck, some folks apparently are reading the tea leaves a little different than those who made the decision.
Build a good solid base of talent (Draft), coach them up. And at the right time, you use FA to add that one or 2 missing pieces. And start the process all over again.
I'm not a smart man
It's all about the timing
I would’ve been upset if we’d given a 2nd for Boldin. A 3rd might have been ok but a 2nd is far too valuable for a team like the Chiefs.
Like others have said, Boldin’s likely only going to play around 3 more years in which time he could help us win a few more games, but we’re still not likely to be contenders.
However, if used properly, a 2nd should get you a starter or at the very least a solid contributor for several years to come. I’d rather have the possible long term guy that should be entering his prime around the time we’re making a push than the guy who will likely need replaced at that time.
I'm not frustrated at all
not one of those guys other than maybe Chester Taylor would make sense for us at the money being sought. Dansby was overpaid and I think we’ll be a fine defense without him. The one thing I want to see us do this offseason is get a legit NT, and I don’t care where it comes from. I think that will make all the difference.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Mar 6, 2010 1:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ok I have an idea to make all you negative fans happy
I say we should trade our 1st rd pick for Brandon Marshall(and heck throw in next years 1st also) cuz you know drafting players isnt important or anything apparently its all about signing big name FA and waaaay overpaying them. Then once we have him we should sign him to an extension of 4 yrs $100 mil with $80 mil of that guaranteed that way we can at least say that we made a "big splash" in free agency.
Then we can trade both of our 2nd rd picks and our 3rd rd pick to SD for Sproles and then we can sign him to an extension of 4 yrs $80 mil with $60 mil of that guaranteed.
Then we can trade all of our remaining picks for the next 3 yrs to NE for VW and then redo his extension(cuz he was one that wasnt overpaid) to a 4 yr $200 mil with $150 mil of that guaranteed.
Would that make a big enough “splash” for you guys, would that make you guys happy
they were hoping for a splash
not a tidal wave that would be big enough to go from somewhere in the Philippines to the shore of california
And here is an idea for those of you who enjoy "building"
Keep signing the Terrance Copper’s, Mike Goff’s and a bunch of old white guys that no other team wants – maybe we’ll be 9-7 in 2015.
Hurray for racism.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 6, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
was kinda thinking the same thing there?
AP is better than that “a bunch of white guys” come on everyone.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
brandon marshall?
i would have been thrilled giving boldin what the ravens gave him. our picks were all higher in each round than the ravens. i dont like when people are super sarcastic like that.
by dahd11 on Mar 6, 2010 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is there a chance that not only would we have to highly overpay
to get players to come here, but also that some of these FAs just don’t want to play for Haley?
same story, different season..
Its not gonna happen, till we suck for atleast 2 more years. Then they will say “Hey, Schefler is reporting our jobs and paychecks are in jeopardy”. Then the will buy whoever they need to win…and everyone will call them geniuses. Similiar to what Lovie Smith and the Bears have done.
Who is calling Lovie Smith and the Bears a genious?
I don’t like them to win the Super Bowl now that they’ve signed Peppers. It’s going to come down to if Martz and Cutler can get on the same page. The signings may sell tickets, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Bears were still sitting at home come playoff time.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
yep and then when theres a new cap for 2011
they will have to dump a ton of players just to make the cap
I was sorta refering to the fans...
you know all the chatter about “its great to be a bear fan” all over the place. How they got a steal with C. Taylor for only 12 million….They know their jobs are on the line over there, and they are making moves to get there quick. Iam not really sayin i agree with that sort of thing, but damn…I bet they will be better this year.
i've been just as frustrated as everybody
Maybe the Chiefs are just getting their ducks in a row for the 2011 offseason where hopefully a new CBA passes, more unrestricted free agents will hit the market, and free agents can be had at a more reasonable price. I’m willing to be patient during the process, but if I’m Pioli, I’d be a little concerned that the fans will continue to become disengaged and good players will continue to shy away from this team until the Chiefs start to show marked leaps in the right direction.
but it is becoming clearer than ever that 2010 will be NOTHING MORE than another rebuilding year. while it doesn’t make sense from a financial standpoint, it still kind of does make sense. from hunt and pioli’s POV, if you know that 2010-11 year is another rebuilding year, perhaps a 6-10, 7-9, or even hopefully 8-8 season, why spend any more money then you have to? face it, the chiefs WILL NOT put butts in the seats the WHOLE season anyway. the faithful with resources will still show up, but one way or another, the team isn’t going to make much money, and Hunt and Pioli have to have accepted this.
as Jon said, maybe it is all with the intentions of saving up for a big run in 2011 (if there is football).
Jon says that he’s concerned that better free agents will stay away if we keep losing. well…he also said that they’d come if we overpaid. why over pay when we know we aren’t winning? Jon, you seem to contradict yourself.
one thing is for sure, it has become painfully obvious that this next season will be nothing but for this years rookies and our younger players to develop.
wake me up next off-season.
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
Re: chief Stevie K
All great questions. This is how I’d frame it. When you’re a marquee free agent, you want money and you probably want to know that you’re going to a team that can compete for the Super Bowl. Heavily weighted to the former than the latter. But the latter’s still important. In my opinion, if you’re not confident in the latter, then you have to pay more money to get them. Or how about a guy like Hali or Bowe, who you might want to extend contracts to past 2011?
If a future free agent considers the Chiefs in 2011, maybe you don’t have to grossly overpay for them if you can convince them that this is a team that is committed to winning. I think it’s hard to convince a future free agent that you’re committed to winning when in 2010, you basically demonstrated to them that you can’t compete with big spenders for players. Whereas I think a team committed to winning can bring in a player at market value, a team that doesn’t show that same commitment might have to overpay.
Big assumption. I get it. But I think when you’re talking about players already on roster and fans, not a huge leap to say that one big signing can at least give them some feeling that the team is moving in the right direction.
by Jon Yoon on Mar 6, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Somemost of these FAs come from teams that ARE contenders.
Do you know why they’re leaving those teams? Because their teams believe that top dollar for the one player runs counter to keeping the TEAM in contention.
Throw in the fact that these big-name FAs became big names in the 1st place, because they were on a well-balanced team that allowed them to showcase their skills.
by hmills110 on Mar 6, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
jon, you said
. I think it’s hard to convince a future free agent that you’re committed to winning when in 2010, you basically demonstrated to them that you can’t compete with big spenders for players. Whereas I think a team committed to winning can bring in a player at market value, a team that doesn’t show that same commitment might have to overpay.
have the chiefs really demonstrated that they can’t compete, or that they WON’T compete until they’re ready to compete?
i believe as long as this team continues to make significant improvement, the team, fans, and free agents will buy into the chiefs as a contender in the next few years. if this team wins 7-9 games this year, if you were a free agent, wouldn’t that be enough to convince you that THE TEAM was headed towards being a contender?
while I really wanted (and still do) to see some better players signed (namely on the offensive line), i’m trying to be more patiently frustrated.
imo, if this team improves its record by 3-5 wins, all we need to do is sign one BIG TIME FA next year, and that one signing in addition to an on the rise team will be enough to entice other free agents.
i guess we’ll wait to see what happens, but if we’re giving up on 2010 (which it will most certainly seem like if we don’t sign some valuable bodies in the next few weeks/months), then we might as well draft BPA and project players. it remains to be seen, but if FA thus far is any indication, we’re headed into a duplication of last year (FA AND the draft).
the big puzzle to me is why re-sign Vrabel/ why would he re-sign? to me, that is a signing that only takes place if you’re two years or less away from the playoffs. keep vrabel but not Chambers. hmm.
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Mar 6, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
no one has said we havent kept Chambers
he is testing the market like Walter did in Houston, then he will come back and set his price and re-sign.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Seriously
We’ve (re)signed Terrance Copper and Mike Vrabel. Yippeee.
Terrible.
What cap?
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Mar 6, 2010 2:16 PM CST reply actions
Dansby wasn't going to happen
Pioli had to yield to papa Parcells.
Get used to it
between NE and Miami, it looks like we’ll never get first shot at someone
by LHO on Mar 6, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
1/4 of our roster cost is Cassel
And I might be amazed if the Chiefs spend their portion of their TV dollars. Clark will spend the Chiefs TV dollars on his soccer teams.
You have to have been drafted by Pioli
to get paid by Pioli
by LHO on Mar 6, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Look out, everyone!
Watch out for rapidly wringing hands!
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 6, 2010 2:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wanna play? gotta pay
You have to have a good team or desired local to get bargains…
Thomas Jones
Signed with the Lions.
by Alaskan Chief on Mar 6, 2010 2:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Did you ever think that...
maybe they are saving their cash for next offseason? Next year, it is going to be the polar opposite of what is going on now with no new CBA agreement. Just think about all of those young players that have been tendered coupled with the fact that other young players will be unrestricted as well. Why would we blow our load on a lackluster FA class that is getting overpaid? Who cares about getting excited right now. I want to get excited when we win the superbowl. Pioli knows what he is doing so you guys need to stop bitching and moaning.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
YOU SOUND
dumb man we need to win NOW not next year you lame me personally, I’m tired of us losing if it was up to you we wouldn’t sign anyone til next year huh?
I LOVE MY CHIEFS
by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 6, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
yes cause if we would have signed everyone of the FA that were available
then that would have got us a SB victory, I dont think so
You lame me personally?
Whose the dumbass? You don’t know what you are talking about. I would rather be able at the beginning of February when we win the superbowl than the beginning of March when we sign some overpriced big name free agent. Look at the Raiders and Redskins. Those are examples of what not to do. Go look at the Saints roster and you’ll find 2 to 3 big time FAs. Brees, Greer, and Gay (whose not that good). So give me a break.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
biching and moaning huh?
We are not going to win 4 games next year if we have this same roster WE NEED HELP now!!
I LOVE MY CHIEFS
by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 6, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
straight up, i would have disagreed
we have signed better coaches and all the players have a year of experience under their belt
however, we have let some people go and that irks me. I wish we hadn’t shown interest in sproles before day we could make an offer on him
Its called...
our younger players getting better. Its called better coaching. Its called the draft. And we will make a few signings. Just ones that make sense. Vetern stop-gaps, that will allow us to develop our younger talent. Guys like Mawae (C, Titans).
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
I wouldn't mind Bulluck
If they think he could play in a 3-4. Good player, good leader, could maybe help our younger inside guys like DJ, Belcher and Mays.
I agree with the story above
we just need to get a FA or 2. Not the biggest name out there just two guys who are not on the down side of there career and on the trash pile …..
I swear its like anything positive about our team went right out the window
just because we didn’t want to over pay for some big name FAs. Doesn’t matter that we had more wins in the last 9 games then we did in the previous 32. Never mind the fact that we found ourselves one of the top play makers in the NFL in Charles. The fact that the o-line reduced the sacks allowed from 30 in the first 8 games down to 15 in the last 8 (including only 2 in the last 3 games) is a distant memory. The hope we had at assembling the best coaching staff in the league, “poof” gone.
We didn’t pay 100 gazillion dollars to Peppers, THOSE CHEAP BASTARDS!!!!
We didn’t trade away all our picks to get Boldin so now we’re going to lose all 16 games next year. It will rain every Sunday and even the beer I drink during the game will no longer taste good because this lack of FA signings has ruined EVRYTHING!!!!!!
Clark Hunt must want to lose because his team isn’t following the offseason plan I layed out in my 200 different fan posts about what FA we should sign so we can win the Super Bowl next year.
Life sucks, the Chiefs suck, AP sucks, blah blah, boo hoo
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Mar 6, 2010 2:35 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
actually life is pretty good
the Chiefs just suck.
Yeah when you exaggerate everything
it makes you seem right, too bad your misrepresentation is far from the truth.
“We didn’t trade away all our picks to get Boldin” aka a 3rd and a 4th
I understand you want to be supportive, but sometimes you have to be honest
by LHO on Mar 6, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
a third and a fourth in this draft
has been linked to a second and a third in other drafts. a third and a fourth this year are, very possibly, two starters. yes, it would have been bad to have given away a third and a fourth (even if KC got AZ’s fifth round pick in return) for Q.
Maybe it was over the top,
but he is right the sky is not falling. Many positive things have happened for this team since the 2nd of the season and we are all crying in our beer because we lost out on a few players that may, or may not have wanted to play for us in the first place. I would have loved to have brought in Dansby, but it didn’t happen and now we move on since that is all we can do.
Pioli has never given up big $ to FA so this really should not have come as a surprise.
Okay let's be honest
I haven’t tied my hopes or despairs for this team to us out bidding other teams for big name FAs. If we had signed Peppers I wouldn’t of felt any more likely that we would win the division and go to the playoffs. We would of spent all that money for one player and it would of been a whole lot more about putting butts in the seats then tallies in the win column. Trading for Boldin would of been a great move if we were one player away, but if we are building long term to be a team like NE, Pitt, etc. then we need to draft and develop our own players. I was exaggerating not to make me seem right but to poke fun at how rediculous all the “chicken littles” sound right now. If someone thinks we suck, are terrible, going to pick in the top 5 picks, then signing Peppers or trading for Boldin shouldn’t even matter. If we are that terrible one or two players aren’t going to fix it. We need strong stable leadership with a LONG TERM PLAN not some quick (and very expensive) fix. I believe we have that kind of leadership in place. Then again, everyone around here knows I’m just a mindless Kool Aid drinker that only sees rainbows and puppy dogs.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
How could I forget the unicorns! I've got them all over the walls of my bedroom right next to my "I heart Todd Haley" banner and official Kool Aid Kids Club membership certificate.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Your exactly right.
Good teams develop good players and sell them to the bad teams for draft picks. That is why Pioli has built arguably one of the most capable coaching staffs to produce these exceptional players. A player’s level of performance is not predestined to show itself. In most cases a good coaching staff will produce a player that performs at a higher level than a bad coach can produce. That being said, the draft is the primary source for these moldable lumps of clay. Identifying and aquirring low budget free agents whose potential has not been tapped is the secondary source.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
by Idahochief on Mar 6, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Big Name Free Agents
Peppers, Taylor, Dansby, Rolle – They all went to teams that had a chance at the playoffs without them. They paid them big money and are giving each one of them a chance at a superbowl. KC can not match that. We can match the money though…. We need to get wins this year or we will not be able to attract big name talent. I know the team is built through the draft but waiting on the draft with a team that is this bad will take 5 years. We need to spend some money and bring in some talent until the players we draft can help this team. We will have to over pay for that play but give him his long contract and back load it. If he doesn’t perform cut him and move on like all the other teams are doing. Now if you want to sign a big named player that will get us media attention every week Joey Porter is our guy. I would pass on him myself but he would be fun for a year…..
I look at
It like this okay I know S.P said you build through the draft, okay thats somewhat understandable but you cannot think they will get us to the promise land come on now me, I think not signing free agents and just waiting for the draft is like telling us that we must go through another couple of tough years to see improvement and I dont want to wait for that but if I have to I will just because I’m a fan
I LOVE MY CHIEFS
by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 6, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Hey sorry...
for getting in an argument with you and calling you a dumbass. I know you’re a huge fan just like me and want to see the Chiefs win. We just have different opinions on the matter and that doesn’t mean one is right over the other. Hopefully, we will be winning shortly and we can all be in a better mood. My bad man.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
it's
All good my friend I’m sorry too my man It’s just an competitive thing that’s all No hard feelings!
I LOVE MY CHIEFS
by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 6, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't remember
The Bears, Dolphins, or Giants in the playoffs last year…
by chiefsfan62 on Mar 6, 2010 2:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No they werent
But adding those players gets them there. Dolphins and Giants missed the Playoffs cause of injuries and the bears needed some players to compete. They all accomplished there goals of improving. I would say all three teams are playoff bound this year. The chiefs would have to sign everyone of those free agents to have a real shot at it. But who knows with our division being so weak we could get a birth at 7 and 9.
VERY important draft coming up
Face it, we aren’t getting any impact free agents.
However we do need 3-4 starters via the draft and turn this thing around or this will happen next year, the next year and the next year. KC has enough trouble attracting Free agents as it is a small market, and a cold weather city, having a losing team makes it impossible. If we have another shitty draft (IMO) we will be sitting here again next year bitching and moaning about no FA wanting to come to KC.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 6, 2010 2:37 PM CST reply actions
I guess
I just wont ever understand the thinking of some of you who think we should just piss away money so we can say we made a splash in FA. Obviously our GM and our coaches decided that none of the FA available were worth the money. So I am done with this arguement because WAY OVERPAYING for a big name FA just because of who he is is stupid dont worry about whether they are the right fit for our team sign them just because its the thing to do and everyone else is doing it. Everyone keeps saying we need to sign someone to get fans excited, well you know what I am excited about our team and next season, true fans shouldnt need overpriced players to be excited about their team, we showed improvement last year without big name overpriced FA didnt we and now we have an allstar cast of coaches to improve the players we have even more
As much as we would like to sing big name FA
Its just not gonna happen. Pioli and Co. Just aren’t that kind of leaders. We haven’t signed a top tier FA in years. I agree fans are starting to give up on this team, with no proven attempt to sign good players. We all know the draft is a great way to build a team but every good team signs Free Agents or Trades for good players. we aren’t. They need to do something if they expect to be an overall successful franchise. I for one will never give up on OUR team, but some aren’t as die hard as I am. I may be disappointed and wish we would sign this or that guy but the fact is we all know its not going to happen. Just tuck the tail and look forward to the draft. And if they draft Okung over Berry keep the tail tucked and get my Chiefs tattoo removed.
by BiiG_C on Mar 6, 2010 2:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If they want to stick to the build thru the draft, that's kool.
But if we are doing that i would have rather drafted a QB, last year, and not be stuck with another team’s back-up, as our so called “Franchise QB”.
Minus infinity
This isn’t 2000. Adapt or perish.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 6, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
i didn't say good arm
which Cassel has. I said great arm. Trent Dilfer was a good on field commander. Cassel’s knock is his arm. I was just making a point.
And I'd argue that Dilfer made some pretty clutch throws.
Nobody believes me, but Dilfer was always underrated. Called a “caretaker” QB because all the teams he played on before his SB had no receivers and had no pass protection.
Jesus...
I guess it was only a matter of time before the Cassel haters started commenting too. Give the kid one more season! At least allow the talent and coaching to get better around him before you write him off.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
Dude...
I don’t care if Peyton mutha fucking Manning was our starter last season. He would have struggled to move the ball as well. Is he suppose to catch the balls he throws? He he suppose to diagnose the D himself without the aid of a QB coach? He he suppse to block the guys trying to rip his head while he’s looking for WRs who can’t get open anyway? I liked what I say in Cassel in New England. He played at a higher level than just a #2. I like his character, athleticism, and his caution against throwing picks. His he going to be Manning? No, but Eli has a ring and he isn’t exactly upper ecilon.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
bad mouthing Cassel equals flag their Caveman! :)
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Yeah...
but Sanchez was a one hit wonder at USC. I would of rather given up a 2nd for a guy who had a year of NFL experience, opposed to a one year starter at the college level. And the Jets won dispite of him last season.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
Why when Sanchez has much more time to improve and led the team.
I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. Sanchez or anyone else that had been drafted as our QB would be able to grow with the team for 10 years or more. Cassel is not going to be here that long now is he?
that's getting silly
a QB at 38 and 42…do you really want either one? hopefully a replacement would be found by then.
Dude are you frickin reading any of the comments?
Because that is complete not the point, damn. What i am trying to say is, If we are going to build through the draft i would have rather picked a QB up through the draft. Than get one from another team, its doesn’t mean that Cassel is junk or that he cant win game’s , i just don’t think he is a “Franchise QB” and i would rather watch a rookie QB grow with the team .
yes, i have read everything you have written
the age difference between Cassel and Sanchez isn’t great. a second round pick was used to more or less “draft” Cassel. in ten years, how they were picked up won’t matter, let alone 15 years.
Cassel has low miles like Sanchez minus all of Sanchez’s injuries. it’s a wash.
you want to draft a QB so he can grow with the team for 10 years
you don’t think Matt Cassel can do that. Why?
People like you who
Keep talking about stuff that is not what i’m trying to say if you would read the other statements
so you didn't write...
If they want to stick to the build thru the draft, that’s kool.
But if we are doing that i would have rather drafted a QB, last year, and not be stuck with another team’s back-up, as our so called "Franchise QB".
I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. Sanchez or anyone else that had been drafted as our QB would be able to grow with the team for 10 years or more. Cassel is not going to be here that long now is he?
you just see Cassel as a backup QB. you don’t take into consideration that fact he has “low miles” no injuries, has had a year of NFL experience, watched Tom Brady since 2005. the cat is just as much of a rookie as Sanchez minus the one year starting at USC and the injuries.
block quote fail
you just see Cassel as a backup QB. you don’t take into consideration that fact he has "low miles" no injuries, has had a year of NFL experience, watched Tom Brady since 2005. the cat is just as much of a rookie as Sanchez minus the one year starting at USC and the injuries.
OK i will try to explain this to you one more time.
OK here goes,Like i have said 3 or 4 times before this, i would rather watch a rookie QB grow with our team than get someone else’s Back-up. Cassel i’m pretty sure about this was a back-up. I t does even have to be Sanchez, it could have been anyone over the last 3 years, all it really has to be is a ROOKIE THAT CAN GROW WITH THE TEAM!!!!!!!! Can you understand that or is it too hard for you too get?
Steve Young and Tom Brady just called
they aren’t big fans of your “I don’t want a back up QB” argument.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Yes, I do understand what you are saying
I just don’t agree with it.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Man
This all started with building through the draft. Thats when i said i woud have rather drafted a QB than traded for Cassel. I wasn’t saying that Cassel wouldn’t be better than a ROOKIE, i was just saying i would rather watch a rookie grow with the team. That just my opinion, and i;m not sure why it was so hard for him to figure out.
That's not the point wtf
I’m frickin sure Cassel can play for another 10 years.I’m saying i would rather watch a rookie QB grow with the team!!!
WHY?
What is so special about a rookie 10 yrs after the fact that wouldn’t be the same with Cassel 10 yrs after the fact!
OMG is this really happening?
Nothing is special about get a rookie, that is not the point. Hell Cassel might be better than anyone we could have drafted in 10 year’s , but thats not the point either." The following statement is just my opinion, and what i wish would have happened." Since this team is building through the draft, i wish we had drafted a QB, he could have been drafted last year even. I’m not trying to say that Cassel wouldn’t be better in ten years. I would rather or should i say enjoy watching someone we hand picked in the draft and not a guy from another team, that we picked up.
Here's what's great about Cassel's contract
The bulk of the guaranteed money is paid off after this year. So if after this year under Weis he still doesn’t look like a “Franchise QB” then we can go another direction. In the mean time we are building the team around the QB so if we do have to go to a young QB down the road he won’t have to be thrown to the wolves like our QBs the last three seasons.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Dude
The guy backed up Tom freakin Brady. So do you think just because he couldn’t force brady to the bench that he has no potential? You might want to set the bar a little lower.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
Lord give me strength to do this one more time.
Should i do this in caps, so it’s easier to understand. Did you read anything above? Do you understand english? All i said is if this team is going to just build through the draft i wish they would have drafted a QB. I’m not saying that any QB they drafted would be better than Cassel. But since we still have 2 or 3 more years of rebuilding, i wish we would have just drafted a QB, that’s all i’m saying.
Hey H
I know that Cassel has a greta work ethic and he is smart and alot of other thing’s. IMO Cassel is going to win alot of game sand that’s great for us, but i don’t think he’s good enough at this point anyways to win a Super-Bowl,of coarse neither is our team. What i was trying to express is, that since we are 2 or 3 years away from being a really good team, (and that’s assumption at this point) I would ave rather drafted a QB to grow and improve with the team. I’m saying Cassel isn’t going to grow and improve, i’m just saying that “I” would have rather watch a rookie do that, if were building through the draft.
I like Cassel
That signing was putting a 2d rounder to good use. Kind of like using a 3rd to get Boldin would have been.
An important distinction to remember
Clark said he wants this team to be like the Steelers. That’s not too bad a thing is it? They are steady and consistent and build a football team from within and succeed. Somewhere on this very site yesterday I read that the Steelers staff is spending this weekend on a retreat at a ski resort. Now, I have no idea if that’s true, but it could be. We certainly didn’t hear them do anything yesterday. I am not advocating just folding the tent and doing nothing. I’m just pointing out that our team is obviously following this cautious approach to team building and we need to get used to it. And, it can be successful.
You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
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FREE AGENCY=OVERATED!
what teams build through free agents, uhhh NONE! If you can’t understand that you build through the draft than go talk to the steelers and thier 6 SUPER BOWL RINGS
Free agency is a major component of
complimenting and rounding out your team. You build through the draft, and put the finishing touche son with free agency. It is essential to building a competitive team, both in filling holes and in providing depth. Neither is more important than the either, both are necessary. Not saying I disapprove of the Chiefs Free Agency actions ( or lack thereof) so far this offseason, I just think we shouldn’t go off the deep end the other way and claim free agency is overrated and we don’t need it, as it’s absolutely necessary. Just look at the Steelers…
perhaps Pioli did everything he could to bring in elite free agents but couldn't convince those players to play for a losing team.
detroit sure could
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
why is everyone so hung up on "making a statement to the fans"?
i really think you guys who want him to “send a message to us” should calm down.. spending unnecessary money and giving away draft picks for players that aren’t worth them is STUPIDDDD.
i certainly hope pioli never does something solely to send some shallow message to us. that’s the kind of garbage carl peterson did.
That's what i'm trying to say if you would listen.
We could have drafted a QB IN THE LAST 3 YEARS OF THE DRAFT. If we are going to build thru the draft that is the way i would have rather them do, that’s all i’m saying, so stop acting like a @#$%^ and listen to what i’m saying.
they also say if you have a shot at a top ten QB you go get him when hes under 27
thats of course what was said when we traded for cassel.
the way you would rather have them do it isnt necessarily the best way either…
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I don't like spending a high 1st on QB before the lines are built.
Jets did it right. Had ’most all the pieces in place, and brought in the best rookie QB they could find.
I agree, mills ... which is why I do hope we work on OLine this year, a lot
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I can't argue that, and i'm not argueing that.
I guess i’m to stupid to express what i’m trying to say , so i fuckin give up, you guy are right Cassel is great and i’m a idiot for wanting to have a QB like the jets fan’s do, that they will be able to watch grow and mature on there team, and he’s not a hand me down from some other team.
How old is Sanchez 22?
Cassel is 28 ok that give’s someone like Sanchez 6 years to improve. IMO in 6 yrs Sanchez will be a better QB than Cassel is at this point, if he stays healthy.
As a starting QB, AT THE AGE OF 28.
You shouldn’t need to grow and mature, you should be there at 28, and Cassel is not.
it took you that fucking long
to answer that question. what, you had to do research? it was that hard? yelling that no one could understand you, calling people names, bitching, moaning, when all you had to do was write THAT.
lol that's not what i was talking about earier.
Earier i was just saying i would rather watch a rookie start with my team if we were rebuilding through the draft, you know just kind of a personal preference.
Of course,
if I had to choose, I’d rather be the team making cold calculated risks instead of the team trying to money-over their problems.
I’m not worried for a second.
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I just hope
we don’t become the Royals with no salary cap (or minimum) in place. Clark says he’s willing to spend. Hopefully, we’ll see him do that in the coming weeks/months. I know we won’t be like the Yankees or Red Sox…but maybe the Phillies or Marlins? Thrifty, and relevant most years.
The Chiefs are not the Royals
…and the NFL would never let them become so.
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The Phillies usually aren't relevant
I think the last couple of years were the first signs of life since Mike Schmidt retired, actually. Remember when Curt Schilling was the only guy they really had?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 6, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
when it comes to baseball
my memory doesnt go back very far. Basing it on the past 5 years or so.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Mar 6, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
You're correct
the phillies weren’t even relevant the year they won the world series untill they won it
Hah!
That’s about right. Kind of like the Cardinals until they went to the Super Bowl, actually.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 6, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
especially here in philly
I remember that year Rollins made a comment about how philly fans are always on the bandwagon, which is so true, it caused such an uproar people were demanding he get traded, then it was all forgotten about and everyone loved him so after they won.
It's been a fun ride watching the love/hate for McNabb, too.
I have to admit that I don’t really get on well with Philly fans or Baltimorons. Must be something in the Chesapeake, except it gives DC a miss.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 6, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
The draft
is how this team is going to be built. We will improve at least 3 critical spots in the draft, NT is the only thing i hope to pick up here and maybe player like Foote. A bunch of these guys that are on the market aren’t that great of players, they are just whats available so they seem much more appealing.
After the difficult schedule we had last year
This year some non-division teams we play are Buffalo, St. Louis, Jacksonville, Seattle, San Fran, Cleveland and Arizona. One or 2 impact free agents and a good draft and we could win all these and make the playoffs. This is why I’m a little disappointed right now but there’s still some time I guess.
Scout.com
says that Gerald Sensabaugh is attracting interest from three teams that need a safety, Chiefs?
They're saving the money for the golden boys..............
Nah they’ll never do that……….
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Bobby Engram, no - Mike Goff, no - oh, ...
I cant remember
Chambers and O'Callaghan off of last year's team.
You could also argue Mays wasn’t bad for how little they paid for him.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
no they dont count because we didnt spend a billion dollars on them
so there arent FA worth speaking of
I guess everyone forgets about Cassel
was he not a RFA last year when we got him, then everyone bitch about the huge contract we gave him
All love of big names and big money are canceled out if they have any previous ties to Pioli or Haley.
Then its “NE and Arz leftovers again! Why can’t we just get our own guys!”
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Because realists know there isn't anything to be positive about with this team, right?
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
of course there are reasons to be positive
but our play over the past 3 years isn’t one of them.
The Chiefs last won a playoff game in 1994. 15 yrs. Oh and they beat the Houston Oilers – they don’t even exist.
Realists realize that the Chiefs have won 6 games out of the last 40 or so.
My dad is a Cub fan. He and I used to joke that he would die before the Cubs won a World Series. We don’t joke about it anymore because he is getting really old.
But Pioli and Co. have only been in charge for the last year
and as the season went by they got better and won 4 of those six games you mentioned in the last 9 weeks. So 2 wins in about 30 games up to 4 wins in 9 is improvement.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Brother, I know we are getting better
I just think that rather than having the smallest payroll in the league, Hunt could TRY and buy some talent.
Maybe...
bad drafting over the last 5 to 6 years is reflected in our record.
Draft prediction top 10 - 1. Bradford 2. Suh (Chiefs trade up) 3. McCoy 4. Claussen (trade Campbell to Carolina, trade for J Brown) 5. Okung (Detroit) 6. Berry 7. Haden 8. Campbell 9. Davis (Bills trade for Vick) 10. Morgan (Jags draft Tebow in 2nd round) 2/23/09 --> This will probably not happen, I was smoking crack at the time. Please Disregard.
Then
why is everyone excited for the draft? Why would everyone think that we are going to hit a home run this year in the draft? We reached for TJackson and grabbed a kicker. That was our haul.
If we haven’t drafted well (and we haven’t) then how about infusing talent through FA?
You can't judge a draft class after one season, it takes 2-3 years tops
The draft classes that Pioli was a part of in NE were good enough to bring home multiple super bowls so I’m not ready to give up on the guy after one year.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
people are really going to be pissed and talking smack on Pioli's draft this year
when he passes on Berry, Mcclain, Haden and picks a NT in the 1st
Everyone gave Pioli a pass last year
and deservedly so. However, he did reach for TJackson and picked up little else but a kicker. Lets call it like it is. Every one of the pundits said the Chiefs did not draft well last year.
Im not all that excited about throwing 30mil at a safety (berry). What do you think we should do at 5? Assuming we can’t trade down?.
people wont be saying TJax was a reach when he explodes this year
with a solid NT next to him and we dont know yet about the Olinemen we picked that was hurt last year( I cant remember his name right now), maybe he is a starter this year for us, it takes more then the 1st year to judge a draft class
Yeah Colin Brown is going to change things for that draft class
Hilarious.
What constitutes an explosion? 1 sack and zero forced fumbles? Then yes, T-Jack may very well explode.
Plus think of all those blocks he’ll devour!
We should just switch back to the 4-3
That way most fans can have at least some rudimentary understanding of how it works.
by alakan81 on Mar 6, 2010 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I understand how a 3-4 works
I’m old enough to remember the last time the Chiefs regularly played one.
Thinking Tyson jackson looked bad last year doesn’t make me a stupid fan, dude. And I’m hardly alone:
Now go ahead, tell me why that link isn’t valid.
Well, Gilberry is ranked above both Dorsey and Jackson
That seems a little strange
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.
I agree, it was strange to see an UFA outplaying two guys drafted in the top 5
For the record, I don’t think that site is the end-all-be-all. But it should make you take notice when a panel of impartial judges deems Jackson BY FAR the worst 3-4 end in the league.
go to the homepage and read the "what we do" section
Or don’t. I learned a long time ago that if anything contradicts the statement “the Chiefs are awesome” it will be dismissed immediately.
One of the major needs in the 3-4
Is experience. Dorsey and Jackson had both never played in the 3-4, whereas Gilberry had. It makes a difference.
by alakan81 on Mar 6, 2010 7:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I apologize
I obviously misconstrued your apparent mockery of the idea of a defensive end occupying blockers and lack of sacks as a lack of knowledge about the 3-4.
I guess we all should have just endured the sting of your razor-sharp critique without response.
by alakan81 on Mar 6, 2010 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so I guess Richard Seymour was a reach when NE picked him
cause he only had 3 sacks and 0 forced fumbles his 1st year, so I guess he sucks just as badly as TJax, I guess you dont understand the role of the front 3 in a 3-4 defense do you
Love that knee-jerk
“Someone doesn’t think Jackson is awesome? He must not get the 3-4. What a dummy!”
Come on, man. Let’s at least use honest logic instead of bogus, blanket excuses.
Also, Jackson had zero sacks, not 3. Pretty big difference for a 3-4 end.
if you read it again it says Seymour had 3 sacks and 0 FF
and I never said you were a dummy, I said you dont understand that in 3-4 defense, the front 3 are to occupy the blockers while the LB’s are the ones who are suppose to make the plays. Name me the last 3-4 DE that was among the league leaders in sacks, go ahead I will wait, And that is honest logic and not excuses
Everyone gave Pioli a pass last year
and deservedly so. However, he did reach for TJackson and picked up little else but a kicker. Lets call it like it is. Every one of the pundits said the Chiefs did not draft well last year.
Im not all that excited about throwing 30mil at a safety (berry). What do you think we should do at 5? Assuming we can’t trade down?.
I've been a pretty harsh critic of Pioli this last year, and (in my mind) deservedly so ...
… mainly because he went after those old, over-the-hill FAs like he was the second coming of King Carl … his draft was half decent, time will tell how it really shakes out overall …
this year, I think NOT going after those high priced FAs is ECAVTLY the way to go … money? ah, not really an issue … but draft picks ARE an issue … I think Pioli is smart enough to realize we HAVE to build from the draft, and that THIS year’s draft has to be spot on
I can see us getting 3 or ever 4 starters out of this coming draft … add in a fairlty solid coaching staff (finally!) including a couple of guys not afraid to tell Haley to “sit down and shut up” when needed … I think we’re looking at being competitive this year (call it 8-8 with any luck) and contending for division by 2011 … and that’s progress
build thru the draft, people … it’ll happen
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by upamtn on Mar 6, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Berry
I think we all agree that we are rebuilding this team. We will use the draft to do this. So why does our #5 pick have to be the biggest hole we have. There will be a draft next year and free agents next year. Are we going to make the playoffs this year with anyone we pick at that #5 spot? Probley not. But will someone like Berry who is the biggest game changer in this years draft help us 2 -3 years down the line when we have found those pieces. I think he should be our pick. I was dissapointed when we choose Jackson over Curry last year for the same reason. I liked the idea of Okung until I started to think about how Poly, Reed and Sanders have help there Defense. Berry can make a good defense great but we will have to be patient cause we have a horrible defense.
Not taking Rolle in FA makes Berry-picking a worthy enterprise.
Not taking Dansby makes McClain a clean pick.
Basically, investing big in FA reduces your mobility twice-over in the draft. You can’t take BPA, any more, because you’re already heavily invested at a particular position. Plus, you just don’t have the picks to spend on great values that come your way. Pioli didn’t over-invest at any one position, except possibly QB, and even there, he didn’t go rich for unproven NFL talent. He went middle-of-the-road for an exceptionally tough, proven winner.
Vrabel’s $3 million was mentioned, above. That’s exactly the kind of money you want to be spending on solid team leaders. And you want a LOT of those kinds of guys, which you can afford if you’re not droppin’ $8 or $10 million on a bunch of big names and low-ballin’ 80% of the rest of the team…
When I play Madden
It always took 3 years to be a contender starting with the pieces from the start of our ‘09 roster. I couldn’t get anyone to sign through FA and I had to scout and pick the right guys in the draft. I made us a winner in 3 years was because I got some impact players in the 4th and 5th rounds to go with my 1st rounder in upcoming draft and they exploded in their 2nd season with me. I like to think Pioli is doing the same, scouting for treasures that will help us win with 2-3 years development. No 1 player is going to do anything for us. As a team we will grow and probably post 5-6 wins this upcoming year. If the draft goes well we could potentially be a playoff competitor the following season (2011-12).
I know it’s a viedo game, but when your a Chiefs fan it’s the best you got during these times. Be patient, and keep the faith!
I think you underestimate KC's chances for the coming season.
They were starting to look like a .500 ballclub, that’d win a lot of games by being smarter and playing team ball. A scrappy team, that will actually improve with every bit of talent they add, and not take a whole lotta backwards steps or waste their energies coddling head-case me-first prima donnas.
Madden MUST be a fun simulation, and as far as the models are good, it can give you insight. But it lets you operate in a vacuum, where you GET every FA you want and can treat players like numbers. I wonder what the McGlockton pickup would’ve met with in Madden.
Jon, I do believe you've struck a nerve here ... 250 comments already ...
… and while I generally buy into your logic on most things, Jon, I don’t think we’ve blown it by NOT signing a ton of FAs … remember LAST year? Amani Toomer, Zack Thomas … no, that is NOT how to build a team and you know it as well as anyone …
last year was a total transition in all things Chiefs … top to bottom and in between … front office, back office, back alleys too … GM, coaching, philosophy and half the players … it was a housecleaning and evaluation year all at the same time
Pioli wasn’t overly concerned with “talent” last year as he had no clue who or what he had … for that lack of doing his off-season homework, I fault him greatly, but … I don’t think you just willy-nilly grab FAs and stopgap them into roster spots … I seriosuly would much rather be patient and build thru the draft get a little better here and there … and THEN go for SPECIFIC FAs after that … but you START with the draft, with youngsters … let them grow and mature together … that’s building a TEAM
anyone can slap pieces or junk together and call it “art” but that doesn’t make it GOOD art or very appealing … true art, and a true TEAM, takes time and vision … I hope Pioli’s vision is to build thru the draft, and with the picks we have this year I can easily imagiine 3-4 new starters and getting to 7 or 8 wins (with the improvement in coaching from Weis and Crennel, et al) … give it time … Rome wasn’t built in a day, nor will this team be built overnight …
wait for draft day and then let’s see where we stand
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Re: upamtn
Great reply. Like I said, not terribly upset. Not panicking. Not saying that any of these guys were can’t-miss or that we didn’t try.
My problem is that while I believe teams should be built through the draft, that doesn’t mean it should be entirely that way. Especially if you can find ways to add young, second-contract free agents in a year where you are the lowest-spending team in the NFL. The Chiefs have had two seasons to purge and clean. There has to be a point where they make a firm commitment to move forward. I think the fans need to see that. More importantly, I think our current roster needs to see it, the coaching staff needs to see it, and future free agents need to see it.
For me, overpaying for a really good young player at a position of need when cap space isn’t remotely a concern is a far different situation from a team like Washington, which tries to trick the cap, gives up on players after a few years, and changes locker room leaders every single year.
I believe in building through the draft. However, that doesn’t mean that you completely avoid blue chip free agents.
ty Jon ...
… and I don’t think we’re far apart in our overall views here …
I have no issues with “blue chip FAs” as long as they don’t come at the expense of upper level draft picks (not in our position) … if we were one or two players away from the Super Bowl then yeah, go for it because you already have a damned good team and you can afford to gamble
thing is, we’re so far from that point it’s redonkulous (thank you, Porkchop) … we’re closer to an expansion team than a playoff team, and that’s how we need to move forward from here … money? sure, pay as much as Hunt’s bank account allows, but do NOT sell the farm by giving up draft picks … those picks are going to be our future
that’s how I see it, anyway
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Re: Boldin
Trust me, same boat on the Boldin issue. As I mentioned in my post, I don’t regret for a second not trading for Boldin and said so in comments even when he was being considered by the Chiefs (allegedly).
I don’t want to forfeit picks for players. My interest is only in players who are on the open market. Again, no idea if we ever really had a chance in any of these guys. Just saying that the Chiefs need to make a play for top-line free playmakers at some point. You should build largely through the draft, but no team should build primarily through the draft. And I just happen to think that there were several blue chips on the open market we could have easily overpaid for. That’s just one less guy you need in the future.
I wouldn’t want to do what the Bears did this offseason. Just to clarify, I’m only interested either in stud long-term guys (Sproles, Dansby, Rolle) or suitable short-term stopgaps (Chambers, Jones, etc….). I don’t have any issue overpaying for a guy who can play well on this roster for many years or a guy who can serve well until we draft someone better.
Terrance Copper is not going to get it done...
…and neither is thinking you’re going to draft 7 starters.
hopefully Pioli is working on
getting bodden and K. faulk
Whether we are right or wrong for wanting the Chiefs to be actoive to improve
We are the paying fans and should be given hope for our loyalty. I understand being tight lipped to get things done, but in reality we are writing the checks and if we don’t believe the Chiefs are getting better it will affect the Chiefs bottom line in 2010.
by TonyG88 on Mar 6, 2010 4:42 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm. Hiring the NFL Executive of the Decade doesn't give hope?
Hiring Weis and Crennel doesn’t give hope?
Getting Emmitt Thomas back home to coach your DBs doesn’t give hope?
Not going crazy in FA and quietly keeping all options open doesn’t give hope?
I don’t think you’re stupid. But I don’t think you and I see things the same way at all.
TonyG88
I agree with you….. I am saying there are FA’s out there that can help this team now and in the Future. All I am hoping for is to get one or two of them WITH OUT giving up draft picks……. I want to see improvement… i do not want to pick up players of the trash pile … no more goffs
Chiefs invested little and were hoping for up-side.
There are likely to be more Goffs along the way. It’s the nature of the beast. You cast a wide net, and you catch more fish. And you can afford to throw back the ones you don’t want. Maybe you didn’t perch yourself on the cliffs and risk your life going after the ONE BIG FISH. So what?
fubar
Hunt has made the effort to bring in some top minds to show he’s commited to the rebuilding of this team and making a run at a trophy. Right now its looking like it’ll be the Governor’s Cup. And that’s IF we can beat STL in the preseason. WTF
Just want to see some progress being made. Feels like we’re trying to take over for the Lion’s! Let’s see some results going into year 2. We have two co-ordinators that are rock solid to coach a team full of nobodies. With a mountain of cash why wouldn’t you spend to bring in a couple of top tier players? Not saying Peppers, but Boldin, Dansby, or Rolle (tho overpriced), are far better than ANYTHING we’ve got.
I wouldn't say the team is full of nobodies
Yes, we need plenty of help but there’s some solid players in place.
Offense: Charles, Bowe and Albert are all good. O’Callaghan has potential, Cottam showed some flashes before getting hurt. Lawrence could develop into a slot guy/kick returner. Ndukwe would be a solid guard I think and I’m curious what Brown can do.
Defense: Dorsey, Hali and Flowers are all solid players with good futures. I think Jackson will take a big step forward this year, especially if they can find a NT to play next to him. Carr is better than some give him credit for, Page has shown some ability in his time here. DJ is…well, DJ, good sometimes, not so good others. Vrabel will be consistent at the very least. Belcher showed some flashes last year.
You're right,
We do have some guys that are good. It is frustrating to watch and get excited about these players that we hear we’re pursuing only to find out an hour later they went to another team. I think not bringing in Boldin was a mistake, but I have hope they’ll find a way to remedy that. And with a solid NT I agree, Jackson could flourish. Good points bh.
I'm not that upset about Walter
He re-signed with the team that he was with last year. There’s a good chance he never planned to leave and they just didn’t get a deal worked out before free agency started.
Wow...just wow
Got about a third of the way through these comments and realized what a waste of time it was to be reading them. I don’t really have any clue how to build a super bowl winner and obviously most of the posters here don’t either. The guys at Arrowhead, however, do have a clue how to do it. I’ll sit back and watch.
I disagree that the fanbase is weakening. Sure, we are frustrated with losing, but better days will come. My life and happiness does not hinge on the Chiefs record. Yes, I’m more pleased when it is good, but it makes no real difference. Looks to me like a lot of people get far too wrapped up in it, and need to develop a life.
OK...the Koolaid buzz is gone now. I'm forced to admit that the state of the team had deteriorated far beyond what I had realized. The good news is I get to start mixing up a fresh batch of koolaid for next year. Oh Yeah!
by Zodeman on Mar 6, 2010 8:29 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
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