Could The Chiefs Use Another Veteran Receiver?
by Matt Conner on Mar 30, 2010 10:00 AM CDT
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There's plenty of new faces around Arrowhead this time of year for the beginning of mandatory, er, voluntary off-season workouts. And there will be plenty more on the way after the draft and undrafted free agent signings come to town. However, with a few weeks left before the 2010 draft, I'm wondering if Scott Pioli is mostly finished making any changes to the roster before the big event.
The reason I ask is because there's still so many holes left with only a few high-round draft choices. While we all wish that Pioli would strike gold on every single pick in every single round, we should also be realistic in its possibility as well. Last year's fourth round brought us Donald Washington, for example, so expecting us to pick up the next great middle linebacker in such rounds is hoping a bit too much. The reality is that those rounds might reveal a gem, but they're usually longer term development projects. The idea, then, comes back to overall player acquisition and the curiosity if Pioli has any more things in mind pre-draft.
Of course, there's lots of movement after the draft as the young guys make an impression and knock some veterans -- sometimes quite impressive ones -- out of their spots. Still it'd be nice to maybe solidify one or two more spots before going to the draft with a shopping agenda the size of a Thanksgiving meal grocery list. One main idea I'd love to consider: Grab another veteran receiver.
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This doesn't mean that Chiefs should not take one in the draft if a prime guy becomes available. But grabbing another target on a team in need of them would be a smart move at this stage. Perhaps some better names become available, but I look at a guy like former Eagle Kevin Curtis and think he could come in and compete. He's been injured the last two years to major degrees, so it's not a guy you depend on, but that's not what the Chiefs need at this point.
What they need is a complementary receiver who can be another dependable target for Matt Cassel in the passing game. Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles form a fantastic backfield and the Chiefs brought back Chris Chambers. Of course, fans always hope that Dwayne Bowe will make good on his potential, but there's really no one after that. Sure, names like Jerheme Urban and Lance Long might have potential, but I'll take Curtis in a heartbeat.
Curtis is a quick receiver who plays intelligently and runs routes very well. He also has the speed to get downfield if need be. He grabbed 77 passes for 1,100+ yards just two seasons ago, so he's able to step up and become a primary target and he did the same for the Rams for several stretches. The last two seasons, he's been limited to only 12 games played and 39 total receptions, so it's hard to tell what you're getting. But he's a smart player who's shown he can be an asset in the passing game. And at this point, the Chiefs could use another smart, dependable (when healthy) wide receiver.
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I dunno...
It seems like Mr. Curtis has run out of gas. But who knows.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Mar 30, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions
The reality is that those rounds might reveal a gem, but they’re usually longer term development projects.
This. Im kinda tired of reading how we can just draft a player at each position of need and that person will be excellent. Especially in the later picks that we have.
As for Kurtis, I’m kinda ‘meh.’ I thought all the WRs we brought in last year was a good idea but none of them (but Chambers) really did anything. Bringing in another guy could be a good idea, but I can’t really get my hopes up for this too much after last year.
yea it took alot of sifting
but we hit the jackpot with Chambers!
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
by jrcnc on Mar 30, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have doubts too
It seems in football, as much as any sport, there is a point where there’s just nothing left. Amani Toomer last year is a big example of this. He had the reputation as a dependable, tough, consistent receiver who runs great routes. The truth is that he had absolutely nothing left in the tank, and it was painful to watch him because of it.
I think it’d be worth it to bring some veterans into camp, sure. I just wouldn’t draft with the expectation that one of them is going to pan out… if they did, it would just be a bonus.
by u2nspenserfan on Mar 30, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Competition
I am all for it, maybe after the draft, to create some competition. Maybe grab a slot guy in the draft and sign Curtis and the veteran that makes the team makes the team. Especially if we sign him to say a 1 year around the league min.
Comments from Eagles make him sound like he's one of the "right 53"
lookie here
Big question is his health…what did the knee surgeries do to his speed? Is he fully recovered?
That’s for the team doctors and the trainers to decide, but he’s the kind of proven veteran slot we could use here. 31 isn’t too old for a receiver…just ask Jerry Rice.
At the same time, are there slot candidates in the draft with the sure hands, smart mind, and speed we need more than other positions? Is it easier to find a good ILB in the post draft FA market?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 30, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
After the draft, sure
Right now it’s pretty bottom of the barrel in terms of guys who are available. After the draft though some decent guys may get released as teams make room for the new guys.
even thought this was the norm last year sifting through the garbage
I would like to see us start to get away from that route. We need to draft and develop our own guys. Alot of the players brought in last year were stop gaps at best, and as Kray always says “why are we so okay with settling for less?” He’s right, if Pioli and Haley like him bring him in and check him out, if not dont even bother and let him go elsewhere. We have to stop settling for less and either draft or trade for a better receiver. Gems like Chambers wont always be in the trash.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Isn't T.O. still unemployed?
(Come on…somebody had to do it.)
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I don't want to make a lot of people angry,
BUT it is a fact that Terrell Owens is on the market. Not saying he would be a great fit for the team but if we are a veteran receiver away from being an elite offense then it might be worth at least considering. I know it’s a stretch at his age but for the offense he was in last year he still showed he has a little gas in the tank.
by ict_chief on Mar 30, 2010 10:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
yeah, it is indeed a fact ... he is on the market ... and he is unsigned ...
because he’s a jerk, trouble up one side and down the other … he and Haley hate each other, he’s way old, skills have declined … there are many reasons he’s STILL unsigned, and will never BE signed by the Chiefs
maybe he’ll catch on someplace, dunno and don’t care … he’s a locker room cancer and won’t be here, nuff said, thanks for playing
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But, by all accounts...
T.O. behaved himself last year in Buffalo, and finally acted like a “pro”, for once.
The reasons you listed are valid, of course. But, if it wasn’t for his past personality…I’d much rather have him than Curtis.
Obviously…it will not happen. And that’s fine.
Just to clarify...
I’m not advocating us signing up T.O. to be a Chief. But, the article is about bringing in another veteran WR…and I think Owens is the best one still available. Easily. Talent-wise. If he wasn’t such an asshole…he wouldn’t still be available.
Scott ... to clarify a bit further ...
I never brought up the idea, distasteful as it is, to get TO on this thread (or any other, for that matter) … my response was that no, TO is not wanted here and will never BE wanted here, even though yes, I admit, he took off the diapers and actued mostly human while with Buffalo last year
that said, we’ve been around and around on TO not long ago …
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/3/10/1366850/terrell-owens
he’s “persona non gratis” to Haley and the vast majority of fans (not that we count as much as Haley, but still …)
I was merely pointing out to ict_chief, clearly a newbie here at AP, that TO doesn’t fly around here
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Question?
Who had the better numbers last year?
1) 55 829 5
2) 47 589 4
3) 45 730 5
Answer: Terrell Owens, the others being db and chambers respectively.
I don’t see your argument against him and I think there is enough left to take a gamble. Nuff’ said.
by ict_chief on Mar 30, 2010 10:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Chambers played 9 games...
And DBowe only started 9, but played in 11.
T.O. played a full 16.
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by ArrowSpread on Mar 30, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Chambers played in 16 games
only 9 with the Chiefs.
In fact, you are arguing FOR getting TO, as Chambers numbers increased dramatically once he joined the Chiefs. I would love to have TO if his numbers also improved dramtically upon his numbers last year.
I'm not arguing for T.O. at all
Just pointing out (albeit incorrectly, obviously) the difference.
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by ArrowSpread on Mar 30, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Chambers may have played in 16
But he barely played in the ones in san diego. Week 1 he was already 4th string behind jackson, floyd, and naanee. I went to that game and cant remember him even being there. Average out what chambers did here and his stats outweigh T.O.‘s and I think Bowe would be much closer to T.O’s production if he didn’t miss 4 games due to a suspension.
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by King of the Cassel on Mar 30, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Chambers played 9 games for us but was on the roster in San Diego for the first couple weeks and played in the games. Bowe didn’t play well last year and that’s another reason to bring in a proven vet to bolster the position. I’m not saying we throw down a lot of cash but of noone else bites on him I’d give him a chance.
by ict_chief on Mar 30, 2010 10:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If T.O. were on the team
I could see a haley v. boldin sideline argument x2, but replace boldin with T.O. As much shit as he stirs up I wouldn’t mind having him if we were a receiver away from the superbowl. However, we’re not so it’s not worth it. It would be interesting to see Oakland trade for McNabb and sign T.O. haha wow
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by King of the Cassel on Mar 30, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
as much as I am disappointed by Bowe's drops
and his 4 week absence, his stats show that he’s right on target development-wise in comparison with other great receivers. If he gets his head on straight, a big “IF” IMO he should have no problem continuing to improve his numbers this year.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 30, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at Moss in Oakland
and then look at Moss in New England.
Attitudes can change, not that T.O.‘s would, but it’s possible.
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by PVChiefsfan on Mar 30, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
sarcasm alert:
I agree! I think we should re-sign Larry Johnson sign T.O. to finish off our receiving corps. despite claims about his age, cancerous attitude, and problems, we could really use an extra 2.7 ypc veteran presence. I wonder why other running back receiver-hungry teams haven’t signed this guy yet??! what are they thinking? don’t they know he is still the guy he was 5-6 years ago when he complemented Priest Holmes his production made his big mouth and temper tantrums livable?
the nerves of some people….
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by chief Stevie_k on Mar 30, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that Pioli will finish filling out the roster
(the bottom of the roster, aka depth) through undrafted free agents, but also vets who will get cut after the draft and UFA signings.
seems like some good guys always get cut then.
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by chief Stevie_k on Mar 30, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
I see us bringing in a lot of UDFA's
With how deep the draft is, logic would tell you there will be that many more talented college players who won’t get drafted just because there is a finite number of draft selections (256). Why can’t it be april 22nd already?!?
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by King of the Cassel on Mar 30, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
HIxon
Domenick Hixon is available I think. He is young and speedy plus he also showed some great upside when he had the opportunity to start. He also provides a solid kick return option averaging almost 26 yards per return.
Depend on or not to depend on, that is the question.
so it’s not a guy you depend on, but that’s not what the Chiefs need at this point.
What they need is a complementary receiver who can be another dependable target for Matt Cassel
I def dont think we should bring in KC
He is extremely injury prone, old, and only a wideout. He has only played 12 of his last 36 games. All the missed games were due to knee injuries. If he was a slot guy, id be down for it, but he is a one trick pony. Deep ball is his forte, but at 31 and with bum knees, he doesn’t possess the speed anymore. Ill pass. Draft a slot guy.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 30, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions
I don't have a problem with an additional vet WR
but I think we should be looking at some additional options through the draft.
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i dunno
i think we’re done in free agency and we’ll work on everything else in the draft.
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Nice read Matt
This would be a brilliant move. Sign this guy now.
Look, if he is busted the Chiefs can cut him before the season starts. If he can be half the receiver he was 2 years ago, he is worth keeping around. He would also provide good depth if something were to happen to Bowe or Chambers.
It is a very low risk, very high reward move so why not?
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There's not much left without a tender.....but...
Laveranues Coles, WR, Bengals. Age: 32, has some pretty damn good career stats, and he appears to not be tendered and available.
His his career stats:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5107/career;_ylt=ApxZVEwqnjxMXqm.YH6Mx8L.uLYF
I'm starting to come around
To the thought of drafting Dez Bryant. He screams playmaker and he would look awesome opposite Chambers. I’m not totally convinced, but I wouldn’t be too upset if it happened.
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Off-the-field issues concern me
As well as the fact that he has been out of football for almost a year. We saw how that worked out for Maurice Clarett.
Too much of a risk at #5, and I am sure his agent is going to want big-time money.
off field concerns AND the fact that, oh yeah ... he doesn't help the Defense a whole lot, does he
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Obviously
But putting more points on the board does help the defense. And extending drives to give our defense a break.
We can’t just add to defense, although I agree our defense needs to be improved
by Boots 58 on Mar 30, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our defense was better than the numbers show
i unfortunately worked during most of the games, but from what I did see – the defense stopped the other teams early on. The offense couldn’t stay on the field and the defense didn’t get to rest. with the same everything on defense and an offense that can get a few first downs….the defense looks better.
Not sure where Kevin Curtis would fit on this team
What we really need is a slot receiver or a true, dynamic #1 WR. The slot receiver would be easier to find for us. The Draft is loaded with them. The only true #1 WRs I see are Dez Bryant and Demaryious Thomas.
I am still pushing for Golden Tate, and I think that will be the pick at 2a if he is on the board.
I think there are definitely more receivers in this draft that can be #1's
However, I agree and think Bryant can be a #1 right now. Thomas might take a year due to not really running a full route tree at GT or facing tough coverage, but he’s got all the measurables and talent to dominate in the NFL. There are receivers in later rounds that could be #1 receivers in time.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Mar 30, 2010 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
Dez Bryant.
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Draft him for the children people!
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this Bryant fella ...
is he under 29? how long has he been in the league? did he ever play in Canada or Europe? is he any relation to TO? has he been to any Pro Bowls? is he UFA or will he cost us a draft pick, and if so how high? does he fit in with The Right 53? will he go to LC’s and buy me some BBQ?
just so many questions about these veterans, you know?
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We need...
to draft a slot receiver with huge upside. One that doubles as a punt returner too. Like Andre Roberts of the Citadel.
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heard he burned the 40
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