My Proposal to Fixing My Beloved Chiefs (Combine Ed.)
DT, Glenn Dorsey during the draft on April 26, 2008
Note: Draft is based off of cbssports.com prospect rankings
As the offseason unfolds, more players are being released, tendered, and signed. Everything is shaping up and free agency is set to begin Friday 12am. The NFL Combine just ended and, I watched all 30 hours of it. I came away impressed by some prospects and, unimpressed by others. I saw lots of players that fit the needs of the Kansas City Chiefs. Unfortunately, the Chiefs do not have infinite picks, so selecting players will be a strategic process. I am a believer that you build through the draft. The Chiefs need to come away with 3-4 starters in the 2010 draft and 1-2 starters via free agency.
This is my proposal to fixing my beloved Chiefs. I have taken the time to watch footage, study the Senior Bowl practices and game, and watch the combine. I feel that if the Chiefs were to follow this blueprint, not only would they improve in the win column but, they would challenge the San Diego Chargers for the division title. In this mock offseason, I have taken into account the economy and CBA. After the jump I will try and select players that I feel will remedy the issues that have plagued the Chiefs for the past three years. Included with each draft selection is a detailed description of the player selected. I’ve also taken the liberty to provide footage for those of you who are not familiar with my selections. Some players may not have footage, due to their position.

FREE AGENCY
In 2009 the Chiefs were the most active team in the offseason. They signed tons of players, traded Tony Gonzalez to the Atlanta Falcons, for a 2010 2nd round pick, and traded the 2009 2nd round pick to the New England Patriots for quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel. While the Chiefs were busy last offseason, most of their acquisitions either failed to make the team, or produce during the season. I expect the Chiefs to be just as active this year, but find much better players. Do not expect the Chiefs to break the bank. They will most likely acquire one solid player, and a bevy of role players.
1. CB, Dunta Robinson - Dunta Robinson is a excellent corner in the NFL. After his rookie season, quarterbacks learned not to throw his way. He started his career with 6 interceptions. Robinson reminds me a little of Brandon Flowers. He is tough, a vocal leader, and has great ball skills. Robinson also doesn't shy away from tackling. He consistently in on running plays. Pairing Robinson with Flowers would give the Chiefs two solid cornerbacks, in a pass heavy AFC West. Having the ability to play effective man coverage in the NFL is key. It allows for defensive coordinator to send more blitzes, which equate to more sacks, something the Chiefs lack. Dunta Robinson will be the Chiefs only "high profile" signing this offseason. He will pay huge dividends to a pass defense that ranked in the bottom half of league.
2. RB, Mike Bell - Head Coach Todd Haley stated that the Chiefs must find help for Jamaal Charles. He weighs 200 pounds soaken wet, and the Chiefs must find a quality back to spell him. Mike Bell is a young back who has the speed and toughness to take advantage of the zone blocking scheme the Chiefs run. He is excellent in short yardage situations and has a knack for giving the blow, instead of receiving it. Acquiring Mike Bell wont cost the Chiefs much. I prefer to sign a veteran instead of drafting a rookie. The Chiefs have too many holes, to spend a pick on a backup running back. There are many advantages to adding Bell as oppose to a rookie. Bell already has experience running in a zone offense, from his days in Denver, and he is also a good pass blocker. Charles and Bell would be a perfect combination.
3. OG, Stephen Neal - Last offseason the Chiefs acquired veteran guard Mike Goff. That didn't pan out well and he has been cut from the team. GM Scott Pioli hits the market again and finds a guard who can play consistent football. Guard Stephen Neal is still a solid option for teams looking to fill holes on the offensive line. Neal is an ex wrestler so, he has great balance, and we all know how much Pioli loves ex wrestlers. Neal is a hard nosed blue-collar player. He is about as tough and as nasty as they come. He has experience in Weis’s system, and also has experience playing for quarterback Matt Cassel. The Chiefs staff is all about f it, and this is a good fit.
4. DE. Javaris Green - Yes, another Patriot. Green provides depth and knowledge of Crennel’s 34 system. He will be apart of the defensive line rotation, and help with the maturation of the other defensive lineman. The Chiefs have a lot of defensive ends, but there are only three that fit the 34 scheme (Dorsey, McGee, Jackson), and Green can round out the depth. Acquiring Green is yet another example of a player fitting.
5. Kassim Osgood - Osgood is one of the best special teams players in the NFL. He has been elected to multiple pro bowls and can help take our coverage team to the next level. Osgood also is a big receiver. He is 6’5 220 lbs. With the Chargers, he didn't get much playing time. Believe it or not, he is a viable option in the passing game. When he gets the opportunity to play receiver, he averages 19.6 a catch. He can provide the Chiefs with a deep threat and a big body in the red zone.
NFL DRAFT
ROUND 1 - DB, Eric Berry, Tennessee Volunteers (Highlights)
(Age: 21 Height: 5'11 Weight: 211 lbs. Forty Time: 4.47)
Eric Berry is a top 5 player on many experts draft boards and, rightfully so. He is a supreme talent who can play any position in the secondary. Safeties with the talent of Berry dont come around very often. He is the epitome of a game changer. Some analyst don't see the value in selecting a safety in the top 5, but the importance of having a quality safety is becoming of the essence. The NFL is evolving before our eyes. It is becoming a passing league. More and more, teams are loading up at receiver, and spreading the field, and causing mismatches for defenses. We don't have to look to far for evidence, other than to look at our own division. Both Phillip Rivers and Kyle Orton led pass happy teams in 2009. They combined for 1,027 passing attempts, 8,056 passing yards, and 49 touchdowns. Passing numbers like these, are the reason why teams require athleticism at the safety position.
At the combine, Berry's athletic prowess was on display. He ran an exceptional forty and, had some of the best transitions during the defensive back drills. After watching 08' and 09' tape on Berry, I have come to the conclusion that he is the most complete defensive back in the draft. He has the speed and hip flexibility to blanket any receiver, and the ball skills to intercept or deflect any ball. His instincts and football IQ are off the charts. Rarely is Berry fooled by play action or misdirection plays. He diagnoses plays immediately and, blows them up. in 2009, Berry had only 2 interceptions, as oppose to 7 in 2008 and 5 in 2007. Defensive Coordinator Monte Kiffin had Berry playing the rover position. He often lined up in the box, to provide run support. When he did stay back at strong safety, quarterbacks rarely threw his way, on purpose.
Berry is the type of player that fits the "right 53". He has a passion for football, is a good kid on and off the filed, and is very versatile. He can provide the Chiefs with a bonafide playmaker in the secondary. If you are uncertain about selecting a safety 5th overall, just look at the effect Troy Palamlou and Darren Sharper had on their respective teams. When Palamlou went down with injury, the Steelers fell apart on defense. At the age of 34, Darren Sharper intercepted 9 balls, and returned 4 of them for touchdowns. He was a main cog on the defense, and a big reason for their Super Bowl success. To give you even more of an idea of the type of skills Berry possesses, imagine a mixture of Ed Reed, Troy Palamlou, and Brian Dawkins. He has the ball skills and return skills of Reed, the pursuit of Palamlou, and the tenacious tackling of Brian Dawkins. I have no doubt in my mind that Berry is the right selection for the Chiefs. He will immediately help to turn around one of the poorest passing defenses in the league.
Career Stats: Tackles: 241 Ints: 14 FF: 2 Sacks: 3 TDs: 3
ROUND 2 - DE/OLB, Jerry Hughes, TCU Horned Frogs (Highlights)
(Age: 21 Height: 6'2 Weight: 255 lbs. Forty Time: 4.69)
The Kansas City Chiefs have been lacking in the sacks department. Two years running, they have ranked in the bottom two. Currently on the roster, there is only one player capable of getting to the quarterback on a consistent basis. Tamba Hali did an excellent job in 2009. He recorded 8.5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. Hali cannot do it alone though. Mike Vrabel and Andy Studebaker do not have the speed nor quickness to contribute to the pass rush. In the 34 defense, it is the responsibility of the outside linebackers to place pressure on the quarterback and, that was not done nearly enough in 09'. Jerry Hughes is the answer to the Chiefs problems.
Over the past few years, the word hybrid has become the most used word when speaking about defensive ends in the draft. Jerry Hughes is a prime example of a hybrid player. In college Hughes played solely with his hand on the ground. In the NFL, Hughes is projected to play outside linebacker in the 34 defense. Hughes posses a NFL ready frame, along with NFL ready speed. At the 2010 NFL combine, he ran a 4.69 forty. That is more than enough speed to bend the corner and, pressure the quarterback. Hughes, like Hali, has a high motor. He gives a tremendous amount of effort on each play and, has one of the most explosive first steps in the nation.
While everything is good on the pass rushing front, Hughes must improve his run defense and, pass coverage. He does have good lateral movement and pursuit but, he most become better at the point of attack. Just like Hali, Hughes will be making a difficult transition to standing up. It is a hard transition, but not an impossible one. Many fans voice concerns about having two former defensive ends playing outside linebacker. They often point to the likeliness of poor pass coverage. The Chiefs have an excellent linebackers coach in Gary Gibbs and, he will get Hughes ready. Contrary to popular belief, starting two defensive ends at outside linebacker is not Taboo. The Ravens, Steelers, and Cowboys have made a habit of it. If Vrabel is retained, I would look for Vrabel and Hughes to split time at the position until Hughes is fully ready.
Adding a pass rusher will help the Chiefs entire defense. I like to compare the pass rush and pass coverage to marriage. A husband and wife must work together to produce a successful marriage. The pass rush and secondary must work in conjunction. If pressure is applied on the quarterback, it allows the secondary to cover for far less time and, if the secondary covers well, it gives the linebackers time to get to the quarterback. It goes hand in hand. With the Chiefs missing the pass rushing element, it leaves the secondary out to dry. Hughes corrects this big problem.
Career Stats: Tackles: 142 Ints: 3 FF: 2 Sacks: 28
ROUND 2 - WR/KR/PR, Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati Bearcats (Highlights)
(Age: 21 Height: 6'0 Weight: 187 lbs. Forty Time: 4.56)
Long gone are the days of Eddie Kennsion and Dante Hall. The Chiefs haven't had a sure handed receiver and, return man since both departed years ago. It has been well documented that the Chiefs had a bad case of the dropsies in 2009. From my recollection, the number of drops accumulated to 54. The Chiefs also had major issues in the return game. Jamaal Charles did well until that duty was lifted off of his plate, due to his emergence in the offense. Quentin Lawrence, Lance Long, and Bobby Wade were lack luster to say the least. Too many balls were fair caught; they often failed to improve field position, and fumbled at inopportune times. The Chiefs fielded a very good special teams unit in 09' but the return game held the unit back from being amongst the best in the league. Mardy Gilyard is a smooth athlete, who can contribute in the return game, as well as the offense.
Mardy Gilyard is a multi dimensional player, who can supply production in many different facets. His versatility is something that gives him a leg up on most receivers in the draft. In 2009, Gilyard was one of the more productive receivers in the NCAA. With 11 receiving touchdowns, and 3 return touchdowns, selecting him in the second round is of great value. Gilyard is not an extremely fast receiver, however, he is very elusive, quick, and smooth. At the combine he didn't run the forty well but, do not let that detour you. Cue up the game tape and, you will see Gilyard running away from defenders. He has shifty hips and superb vision and, can take a short pass to the house in an instance. Gilyard also shows the ability to run crisp routes and, stick his foot in the ground. He finds holes in the defense and, thats what makes him an excellent candidate to play slot receiver. Some of you may wonder who does he compare to in the NFL. Well, his return skills and vision compares to Desean Jackson and, his receiving ability compares to Steve Breaston. Todd Haley has a ton of experience with receivers, and he will have Gilyard producing between Dwayne Bowe and Chris Chambers.
Another benefit to selecting Gilyard is that he is a high character individual. Some of you may be aware of his feel good story. In 2006, Gilyard was relieved of his football scholarship due to poor grades. Without funding from the University of Cincinnati, Gilyard lost his apartment and was forced to live in his car. Gilyard hit rock bottom and couldn't get to shore until be payed the10,000 dollars owed to the school. Gilyard took accountability for his life and turned things around. Not only did Gilyard work multiple jobs in order to pay his debt but, he found time to mentor the inner city youth. Eventually Gilyard paid his debt, completed his failed courses and was granted his football scholarship. He displayed mental toughness when most people would of sulked and wilted. Getting through his trials and tribulations shows his passion for life success and football. He is the type of player you want on your team because, he has a unique appreciation of the game.
Career Stats: Receptions: 203 Yards: 3003 Touchdowns: 29
ROUND 3 - DT/NG, Torrell Troup, Central Florida Knights (Highlights)
(Age: 22 Height: 6'3 Weight: 314 lbs. 225 reps: 34)
Nose guard is absolutely the number one need for the Kansas City Chiefs. During the 2009 campaign, Ron Edwards manned the position, and did so poorly. He often failed to occupy more than one lineman, or push the pocket. At times I witnessed Edwards attempting swim and spin moves. Nose guards should not be attempting finesse moves, they should be using their brute strength to collapse the pocket, giving the outside linebackers the opportunity to sack the quarterback; hence the poor sack numbers. Nose guard is the key to the 34 defense. A solid nose guard affects the entire defense. Without one, the team will have a difficult time at stopping the run, and creating a pass rush. Unfortunately for the Chiefs, there aren't many nose guards in free agency. Luckily though, there are a ton of NCAA prospects that project to nose guard. Most fans are in love with Terrence Cody but, I am in favor of Torrell Troup
Torrell Troup will be a steal in the draft. He is a hard worker, who consistently gives good effort. His motor sets him apart from most nose guards and, he is an every down player. Troup's ability to stand his ground against double teams is what amazes me. To his advantage, he uses his girth and strength to anchor himself. He plays with a low center of gravity and uses his thick upper body to gain leverage. He stacks and sheds blockers by using his hands violently. Troup got a chance to play for Romeo Crennel at the East West Shrine game. Reports indicate that he had an outstanding week of practice and that Chiefs Defensive Coordinator fell in love with him. After watching the game, I could see why. He has the nose tackle body and mentality.
Troup has an advantage over Terrence Cody. Yes Cody has an even bigger frame and, more experience playing in the 34 defense but, Troup has the dedication and mental toughness that the Chiefs look for in their players. It has been publicized that Cody has a terrible work ethic, and isn't devoted to staying in game shape. From the time between the BCS Championship game and Senior Bowl, Cody gained an extra 20 pounds. Troup started his college career weighing 345 pounds. Coming in to his senior season, he trimmed down to 315 pounds. He put his depth of character and perseverance on display to his teammates and coaching staff. Doing so made him a leader on the field and in the locker room. Cody is also known as a 2-down player. Drafting Cody handcuffs a team into predictability. Similar to last year, Edwards was a 2-down player, forcing the Chiefs to run a 2-4 Nickel on passing downs. In the past, Crennel kept his nose guard on the field during 3rd downs. Troup provides Crennel with defensive options.
Career Stats: Tackles: 83 Sacks: 4 FF: 0
ROUND 4 - OC, J.D. Walton, Baylor Bears
(Age: 22 Height: 6'3 Weight: 314 lbs. 225 reps: N/A)
Despite what many analysts say, the middle of the Chiefs offensive line is in need of upgrading. Rudy Niswagner is an average NFL center, and is probably suited best at guard. Niswagner is a tad bit too lanky to play center. His height is a disadvantage because, defensive tackles, and nose guards naturally have leverage on him. Niswanger often gets pushed backwards, giving Cassel no pocket to step up in too. Even if tackles Brandon Albert and Ryan O'Callahan do their jobs, it means nothing without a quality center in the middle of the line.
J.D. Walton is projected to go in the 3rd/4th round. If available at the top of the 4th, it is a great value. Walton can come in and solidify the center position for years. Walton is a blue-collar worker, something GM Scott Pioli looks for in his offensive lineman. He uses his hands and quick feet well. Against bigger, stronger defenders, he anchors well and shows good leverage. During running plays, Walton double teams with the best of them; often agitating defenders, even when on the ground. During passing plays, Walton mirrors defenders well. He also has an excellent punch and keeps balance while doing so. Walton has the intangibles. He's a mauler, a leader, a tough and intelligent player, everything needed to be a successful center in the NFL.
Career Stats: N/A
ROUND 5 - OT/OG, Marshall Newhouse, TCU Horned Frogs
(Age: 23 Height: 6'4 Weight: 319 lbs. 225 reps: 34)
Marshall Newhouse reminds me of two current Chiefs. First, Brandon Albert - Newhouse plays tackle in college but he is projected to play guard in the NFL. Brandon Albert had a similar projection but in reverse (Guard to Tackle). Also where Newhouse compares to Albert is in his athletic ability. At the combine, Newhouse ran the third fastest forty (5.00) amongst the offensive lineman. Newhouse is fantastic at pulling, similar to Albert. Second - Newhouse also reminds me of Wade Smith. Smith was the Chiefs resident all purpose lineman. Throughout the season, Smith played every position on the line. That versatility is what made him valuable to the Chiefs. Newhouse possesses the same value. He can play anywhere on the line, and be effective. The Chiefs covet versatile players and the Chiefs already have their eye on Newhouse.
Career Stats: N/A
ROUND 5 - DT/NG, Linval Joesph, East Carolina Pirates (Highlights)
(Age: 21 Height: 6'4 Weight: 328 lbs. 225 reps: 39)
As I stated above, the Chiefs are in dire need of a nose guard. Similar to how GM Scott Pioli drafted two 34 defensive ends in the 09' draft, Pioli drafts two nose guards to secure the nose guard position. Defensive linemen aren't the most in shape individuals. Most defensive coordinators rotate their defensive lineman, to keep them fresh. A rotation of Troup, Joseph, and Edwards would be and improvement over the 09' rotation of Edwards and Lockey. Head Coach Todd Haley is a big advocate for competition. Adding another nose guard to the mix pushes both Troup and Edwards to become better players.
Career Stats: Tackles: 136 Sacks: 6 FF: 1
ROUND 5 - ILB, Jamar Chaney, Mississippi State Bulldogs (Highlights)
(Age: 23 Height: 6'1 Weight: 242 lbs. Forty: 4.54)
Do not let the production of Demorrio Williams fool you. He is an undersized linebacker who has zero playmaking ability. Corey Mays is no better. Both should be relegated to special teams work. Coming into this year I foresee Derrick Johnson and Jovan Belcher being the starters. I like the maturation of both players during the course of the 09' season. Jamar Chaney is an interesting prospect. He is a little on the short side but, he has the muscle mass to play inside linebacker. He also has tremendous speed, clocking a 4.54 forty at the combine. Chaney will add depth to the linebacker position, and could eventually be a starter. He will also contribute to special teams, where his speed will be of value.
Career Stats: Tackles: 285 Ints: 2 FF: 3 Sacks: 2
Starting Lineups
Defense
CB, Dunta Robinson | FS, Jarrad Page | SS, Eric Berry | CB, Brandon Flowers
OLB, Tamba Hali | ILB, Derrick Johnson | ILB, Jovan Belcher | OLB, Jerry Hughes
DE, Glenn Dorsey | NT, Torrell Troup | DE, Tyson Jackson
Offense
LOT, Brandon Albert | LG, Brian Waters | C, J.D. Walton | RG, Stephen Neal | ROT, Ryan O’Callahan
WR, Dwayne Bowe | WR, Chris Chambers | WR, Mardy Gilyard | TE, Brad Cottam
QB, Matt Cassel | RB, Jamaal Charles | FB, Mike Cox
Special Teams
P, Dustin Colquitt | K, Ryan Succop | PR, Mardy Gilyard | KR, Mardy Gilyard
Conclusion
After watching the East West shrine game, Senior bowl, and combine, I have complied a mock offseason that I feel would make the Chiefs competitive in the AFC West. I have added two starters via free agency, and four starters via the draft. I think I’ve addressed most of the teams needs, but not everything can be fixed in one offseason. I sprinkled in youth, along with veterans. More speed and quickness have been added, and more leadership as well. I feel that this team could drastically improve, and get in the range of .500 (8-8). I want the Chiefs to win the division, and go to the playoffs, but again, I’m trying to keep my expectations of players and the season realistic...
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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…would be an incredible off-season and would make next off-season (if there is one) prime territory to take the next step, another NT, etc.
rec’d
very nice, lots of effort and it shows, well done,. I like the starting lineups thing (even if I don't think we get Berry, and I would prefer OLine with our 1st)
so how is this lovely post NOT a mock draft? just kinda curious …
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
who cares if it's a mock or not?
larry puts the time and effort into these, he has the blessings of the mod’s to do it, each one larry has done has had well over 100 comments, it’s good stuff. let it be.
I wasn't specifically bashing it ...
and I did say that it shows a lot of effort AND that it was well done (or maybe you missed that part?)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
then why ask this question?
so how is this lovely post NOT a mock draft? just kinda curious …
why not just compliment it and move on?
Have you ever known upamtn to NOT question something? It's his bag baby.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
you got it, BRC ... question EVERYTHING and EVERYONE
… ESPECIALLY authority!
ask questions and DEMAND answers … otherwise be destined to live life following like sheep
people didn’t question Hitler until it was too late … people didn’t question our involvement in Vietnam until it was too late … people didn’t question Bush/Cheney until it was too late …
question everything … that includes Pioli and Haley (Weis and Crennel get a 1 year free pass)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
and while I'm at it ...
if all previous mocks were as thoughtful, in-depth and detailed as this one … we likely wouldn’t have a “need” for a single mock draft thread, as MOST guys were just posting a fast “Pick Six” or however many names … posts like this are rare, the exception rather than the norm
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
It is a mock
A very detailed, descriptive, time absorbing mock. I don’t think the mock thread was the right venue for this lengthy post.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Love the Dunta Robinson and Mike Bell pickups
They’re both guys that I would love to get, and can be gotten relatively cheap. And I’d feel a lot more comfortable running Bell between the tackles than J.C.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
Bell
Yea on 3rd down, Bell can get it done. Ive seen him do it time and time again.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
This would simply be AMAZING
Vrabel at OLB/ILB, Berry manning any secondary position, Hali/Hughes as DE if we use 4-3…
Pioli…do exactly this.
I just skeeted...
When I saw the secondary I literally “busted a nut”… please please let it happen that way… lol
hahahaha
just dont get any on your mouse and keyboard
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
So what if it's a mock.
This much quality work deserves Fanpost status. It’s a pretty darn good draft an free agency period. Great work. recd!
Nice work...I like your thinking Larry
My concerns and/or additions:
Berry is also an outstanding return man also
I’m not sure Walton is still there in the 4th round. He’s considered the top C/G in the draft. He may go as early as late rd2.
My question: Is getting a WR more critical than getting a solid starting C?
And…are you missing a 3rd 2nd round pick? Or are you going under the assumption that we use it in a trade?
The future is ours KC Chiefs fans!!!!!
N. Gift
I just don't think getting a good WR is critical that early
The future is ours KC Chiefs fans!!!!!
N. Gift
by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 3, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Answers
1. From my knowledge, we only have two 2nd rd picks.
2. I think the draft is so deep this year that solid players will drop. Its possible Walton is there early 4th.
3. I placed importance on drafting Gilyard because of his versatility. The pick of Gilyard fills 3 holes. Berry has some return skills, but i wouldn’t want my 1st rd safety risking it out there. Gilyard is one of the best return guys in the draft, and he is a very solid receiver.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Also
GMs and Coaches find offensive line talent later in the drafts. Its where they find the best value. I heard Pioli and Herm speak about this this past week.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I like your picks, alot. Rec'd
It’s also good to see a post addressing our needs, not all, but most of them. Then taking it to the next level choosing players both the how & why they fit into the right 53.
I have grown accustomed to reading your posts. Not all posts are worth the time to read word for word. As they say yours are the exception. Bravo… Mr. McDaniel.
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
I second that
Very detailed and also takes in the current lay of the land (so to speak)
Very nice job Larry and rec on the effort you spent to put it together!
Love the Double down on the Nose Tackle :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
WOW, THANKS!
Im glad you all are enjoying reading my post. I was worried about the length, but im glad everyone is taking the time to read it. Theres some good stuff in there, if i dont say so myself lol
Larry these picks are all wrong my man.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Alternately
1st: Dude who gives me wood people compare him to a player I like.
2a: Dude who gives me wood because “experts” say his stock is rising.
2b: Dude who gives me wood but everyone knows won’t be available.
3rd: Dude who gives me wood that shouldn’t be drafted until the 5th.
4th: Dude who gives me wood because I saw him play one game.
5a: Dude who gives me wood because he ran a fast 40.
5b: Dude who gives me wood because some comentator likes him.
5c: Dude who gives me wood because nobody else is talking about him and mentioning him makes me look smart.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Mar 3, 2010 5:55 PM CST reply actions
So Satch would you say your occupation is now Larry's personal lumberjack?
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
by BigRedChief on Mar 3, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd?
It don’t even make no sense!
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Mar 3, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Here comes Woodie!
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
Look at them doggies run!
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
it's time you copyright this post!
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
This is my newest version.
Free Agents: Daunta Robinson, Logan mankins, Darren Sproles, Nate Burleson and Kassim Osgood.
Trade a 2nd rd pick and 4th to a 27-32 pick team for a late first rd pick where we could get Cody
Resign: o’callaghN and Chambers
Cut: Wade
R1. Eric Berry S
R1B.T.Cody DT
R2.B.Spikes ILB
After that we got….
Qb.Matt Cassel
RB.J.Charles, D.Sproles
FB.Mike Cox, Tim Castille
WR. D.Bowe, C.Chambers, N.Burleson
TE.S.Ryan. L.Pope, B.Cottam
RG:Logan Mankins
RT: R. O Callaghan
C. R.Niwswanger
LT. B.Albert
LG. B.Waters
LCB:D.Robinson
FS:J.Page
SS:E.Berry
RCB:B.Flowers
LOLB:T.Hali
LILB:B.Spikes
RILB:D.Johnson
ROLB:D.Williams
RE:G.Dorsey
NT:T.Cody
LE:T.Jackson
If Cody fell to the late first round
why would we need to trade away two picks to get him?
Which team that picks before us in Round 2 do you think is going to grab a 3-4 NT? If SD doesn’t take Cody in Round 1, I bet he’ll still be there for us in Round 2.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I 2nd that
Hes our most versatile lineman. He needs to be retained.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Has logan mankins been tendered?
Anyone know?
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
no kidding, seriously dude

You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
what the hell is that!?!?
You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
speacial teams
K. R.Succop
P. D.Colquitt
PR: Darren Sproles
KR.Nate Burleson and Darren Sproles
Then Kassim fricking osgood!!!
Great work Larry
And for those wondering, it was Larry’s effort and length of the post that makes this one stick in the FanPosts. This was well thought out, well formatted and had none of the “drive by” mock draft post feeling that we’re trying to avoid in the FanPosts.
Again, great work Larry.
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This was ALOT better than your previous editions
I don’t like to believe that we’ll sign anymore than two big name free agents but you’ve earned my respect if it’s worth anything
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Fantastic
Larry, although I don’t post too often, I’m always reading the different ideas put forward by everyone here.
Having said that, I had to post something because I agreed with nearly every recommendation that you made. The drafting of Berry, the signing of Robinson, Bell & Neal, etc. Great analysis.
Two quick comments. One, I doubt he’ll be available, but I’ve read opinions that suggest that Brandon Graham just might be around at 2A. If so, it would be an interesting decision for the Chiefs to make – Graham or Hughes. I’d be thrilled with either one.
Second, I still like the idea of trying to grab Myron Rolle in the 6th or 7th round. I know that his name has become somewhat cliche due to all of the publicity he’s gotten lately, but a guy with his drive, determination & character should find a home with a rebuilding Chiefs squad.
All in all, the best analysis I’ve seen this year.
I like Rolle
and his stock may have fallen dramatically with his slow 40 time
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
Nice Job Larry
You may be projecting players like Hughes and Walton to fall a bit too far, but you have some very good thoughts here. It’s a reasonable plan.
Merlinnj
Yea
Im not quite worried about Hughes, I think he’ll be there. If hes not, then someone else will be there (maybe Kindle). Its the Walton pick that is tough. He may get snatched before our 4th.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
allrighty...
FA acquisitions look good, and reasonable… I like Osgood a lot, and I could get on board with the rest.
1 I’ve been a Berry fan from day ONE… and the combine reassured me that he’s going to be a star… could start at CB, or either S… and be the best Chief at the position.
2 Hughes would be a fantastic addition, and I think he had a good combine as well… however… pick 2a is slotted (in my head, anyway) for Golden Tate or MtCody. But, then again, you make a valid point about the QB pressure helping the rest of the defense, and I can’t argue that.
2 gilyard… I do like this guy, and I really hope KC walks away with ONE of the following… Gilyard, Ford, Tate, Holliday, McCluster… a true speed threat that can KR/PR and contribute on offense as well… but it makes me a little nervous to not have a NT or C taken by this point… seems risky to wait…
3 troup… ok, so, IF it fell this way, I’d be pretty happy getting Troup here. the Crennel connection makes Troup a likely candidate.
4 Walton is THE MAN… if I only got ONE of the players right from my mocks, I would hope it’s him. IF hes’ there in the 4th (personally, I think he’s a 3rd round pick)… it’s a STEAL. He’ll start right away, if any rookie does.
5 Newhouse… solid pick, versatile, could be an eventual starter
5 the 2 NT system? throw a bunch of big, fat guys against a wall, see which one sticks?
5 I honestly dont’ know Chaney, but at ILB, I really like Micah Johnson… or, of course, McClain :) But, i could also get behind a proposal to not address ILB this draft at all… with another year in the system and better talent around them, I could roll w/ the 4 incumbents or a mid level FA
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
overall...
you addressed most of the major needs on the team, and created competition at several other spots.
your FA are pretty realistic in scope, but your mid round draft picks might be optimistic…
that being said, it’s a deep draft, and stranger things have happened
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
Im with you on Tate
Like Walton for you, Tate is the one guy i want. I had to reframe from putting him in my mock, because I believe OLB is a much bigger need than WR. Thanks for taking a look. You usually give good feedback on my post!
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Larry...
Here I go printing your post again (great read!).
One comment; one question -
I think Round 3 might be too late to grab Troup, and
would you hate it if we took Cam Thomas with an earlier pick?
by chiefsfan62 on Mar 3, 2010 9:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Im not big on cam thomas
He had a good week at the senior bowl practice, but many scouts say that when you turn on his game tape, it isn’t nearly as good as his senior bowl practices. I don’t have any of his games saved to my DVR, so I cant give an in depth opinion about him, but those reports worry me. I think Cam is rated above troup though. Troup should be there at the top of the 3rd.
Thanks for the complement Chiefsfan!
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
I like it all
except for Stephen Neal…no more 30+ year old linemen please. 12/13 = 92% = A-…but since you mentioned Gilyard and Joseph I’ll grade on a curve and bump you up to an A+!
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
This was a great writeup
Rec’d
I love the dossier on Berry. I think he’s the perfect first pick. Well stated!
That being said :) I have to disagree with your second round picks in particular. While Hughes is an intriguing pick, I’d much rather see Cody taken at 2a. If we burn a 2nd round pick on a WR like Gilyard I’ll poke my left eye out. This in my opinion is where we can focus on some EXCELLENT O-line talent. I know we need some LB help but I’d still rather see us complete our work in the trenches first.
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by Buck'O on Mar 3, 2010 10:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec Buck
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Larry
You can officially give lesson to some folks on the proper etiquette of writing a Post. Just because they are easy to put up, doesn’t mean that one should. Consistently writing quality pieces that are well thought out as well as well researched (and at times provocative) keeps the AP community honest. And makes AP the Best source for Chiefs info and dialogue BAR NONE. So thanks Larry. Your efforts are appreciated!
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 3, 2010 10:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Damn that's two responses that I am missing a letter in....
my eyes are going sideways with finding P-values in ANOVA stat tests with a repeating value…. sigh Grad School….
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 3, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Arrowheadpride
This website is awesome. I wish I would of come across it a lot sooner. The community here is great and its the first time ive felt compelled to write articles. Thanks AP for being the source of my chiefs news, debates and discussions!
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do more
I like Eric Berry- but get him some help. Go get Elvis Dumervil & Julius Peppers, so that the Chiefs have a pass rush too.
Thats why i went for Jerry Hughes
Jerry Hughes is the help off the edge. Elvis Dumervil has a 1st and 3rd round tender on him. In order for the Chiefs to acquire him, we’ll have to give up both picks. Also, Peppers wants 30 million. Do you honestly think the Chiefs will shell out that cash? Do you honestly think Peppers will go to a 4-12 team? i dont…
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 3, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely hits several hot spots
I like the idea of doubling up on young nose tackle prospects, but I wonder if perhaps it might be better to grab a second NT from the UDFA ranks after the draft, instead of spending two draft picks on it. Of course, if the gap between a guy like the kid out of ECU and the prospective UDFAs at that position is large enough, obviously you’d want to grab the talent while you can, even if it means drafting two nose tackles.
My only other observation regards this statement: “It has been publicized that Cody has a terrible work ethic, and isn’t devoted to staying in game shape.”. I’m not aware of any published accounts of Terrence Cody having anything close to a terrible work ethic or a lack of dedication to improving his conditioning. He is in much better shape now than when he arrived at Alabama, as hard as that may be to believe.
It has to be understood, however, that he was only at the U of A from July 08 til January 10, meaning only one full offseason. Whatever he was listed at, there is no way he ever played at 355 while he was there. He couldn’t have transformed himself from the 380(maybe 400)+ pounds he played at in 08 between spring and fall practice, considering the fact that to do so would have severely impacted his potential effectiveness in the 09 season. He worked very hard and did everything that was asked of him and did indeed greatly improve his conditioning, relative to his starting point when he arrived. And he played ahead of some very talented players that are also dedicated, which to me indicates he was doing the right things, because there are many examples of more mature, disciplined players starting ahead of ultra-athletic blue chippers that hadn’t quite gotten Saban’s team concept full ingrained yet. Cody started because of talent, discipline, and maturity. Obviously, he was way behind when he got to Alabama and he is still behind due to his situation as a JUCO transfer, but he has only made positive steps in the last year and a half. No, it isn’t his entire life, but I think its a long enough period to indicate his will and desire to work hard and get better every day.
I’m not trying to scold you specifically or anything, Larry, I just keep reading people make this comment on AP and, from what I’ve seen, it just isn’t true about this young man.
by alakan81 on Mar 4, 2010 12:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Alakan81
You and I have had several debates regarding nose tackles, and Cody in particular, but even I’ll defend your argument that Cody does not have a poor work ethic. In fact, I’ve read several reports elaborating on his dedication to the weight room, but even more fascinating is the following story I copied and pasted from something I found of him on google…
Jones’ story is told from a steep, uneven hilltop in Moorefield, W.V., on a stifling July day in 2005. The Ft. Myers (Fla.) Riverdale High football coach had chaperoned his entire varsity squad there for a week of workouts and team-bonding activities. Jones had instructed his team to run a 2.5-mile uphill stretch that was unforgiving for even the sleekest athletes on the roster. The first players to finish, Jones said, crested the hill at around 24 minutes. By 30 minutes, much of the squad was at the top with Jones, panting for air. There was never any doubt about who would finish last. The doubt was whether or not Terrence Cody would finish at all. Jones remembers checking his watch.
35:00 … Still no sign of a 400-pound guy who hadn’t played a down of football in almost three years, who had to be wondering what he was doing nearly 1,100 miles from home, climbing a West Virginia hill in the heat of summer. ? 40:00 … The phrase “search party” comes to mind … 45:00?
“All the sudden, we spot him, and he’s making his way one step at a time,” Jones said. “I believe that’s the day he decided he could achieve anything he wanted. All the kids start cheering for him, and he even jogged the last 200 yards.”
After reading that, clearly the kid has heart and desire.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Here's the link to that story if anyone is interested
http://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=806609
But have it be known that it doesnt change my stance on Cody. I still rank him 40th-50th overall.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Thanks for posting that
I was thinking about that story and had considered posting it, but hadn’t bothered to hunt it down.
Heart and desire rates a whole lot with me in a football player and that is certainly the thing I’ve spent the most time trying to convince people Cody has.
But the thing with him is that I feel like he’s got real ability, too. And a great deal of untapped potential, which I have no doubt he will fulfill. Combined with his heart and desire, it just makes for a great player.
by alakan81 on Mar 4, 2010 2:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I see potential too
which is why I think a mid 2nd round grade on him is a good thing, yet so many others get upset if I call him anything less than an elite talent. I admittedly have been very critical of him in the past and I still stand by my critiques. However, to say that someone is, at worst, the 50th best player leaving college and entering the NFL isnt bad at all. He has talent to play somewhere in the NFL, he has heart, and he has a willingness to learn…I just dont think he has elite talent at this point in time worthy of being taken early in round one. May he one day? Possibly so.
Just as you get irritated when people make claims that Cody doesnt work hard, I get irritated when people place limits on Suh based strictly on his size. He’s 307, yet if he weighed 327 with the same strength or even less, I bet 90% of the posters on here would label him as the greatest nose tackle prospect imaginable just based on his weight and having nothing to do with his actual skillset.
And for the record, it’s kind of nice that we finally agreed on something for once lol.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Yes, an agreement is something I rarely come to
Just ask my wife.
And with Suh, I hope my questions about lack of body weight have come across as “no effin’ way could Suh be a nose tackle”, because I’m not and those questions would apply, in my mind, to any prospective nose tackle of that size. Honestly, the only reason I feel the need to even consider it a possibility is because Suh looked like such a force of nature in the college game, and not just because he was strong but because of his ability with his hands and feet.
Offensive and defensive line play is something near and dear to my heart, so I could discuss it and split hairs about it from now til doomsday. And also I try to stick to talking about things I’m pretty well-informed about(i.e. Cody), as opposed to things I do not. That’s why I’m not going to break down Torrell Thomas’ game or project how good he might be, because I’ve never seen the guy play. I do love Cody as a player, but I know he’s not the only nose tackle in the world, he’s just the one I know the most about.
So, thank you, for indulging my tireless desire for debate and discussion.
by alakan81 on Mar 4, 2010 11:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Terrific. Stuff like this is exactly why I'm so glad I stumbled on this site.
It’s just so great to hear what you and the tons of other thoughtful, knowledgeable fans here think. And when somebody like you puts so much obvious effort into it…hell, AP might be the best thing I know of, that I don’t have to pay for or wipe off afterwards.
My favorite thing about your moves is that you address all the major holes, in my opinion anyway, with more than just stop-gaps or obvious backups. It gives me hope that could actually be done for real in just one off-season.
I like your specific pickups, too. I could quibble about some – I’m afraid Hughes gets by on just speed without much technique, and your second rounders I think are each one pick early, but hell, who can tell about that right now? The only guy I’d actually cringe about a little is Neal. According to NFL.com, he hasn’t played a full season since 2005. That smells more than a little Goffish to me.
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I like your FA plans, especially Neal. He’s a local boy, or at least he wrestled for the local college, so if he were to sign with the Chiefs, I’d get to read more Chiefs news. Osgood is an intriguing possibility, and would save us a draft choice we don’t yet have. Robinson would do likewise.
As for your draft, I’ve no truck with selecting Berry & Hughes (Hughes I especially like). I think you know we disagree on Gilyard, but at 2B, he could be the highest rated WR on the board. We’re also at odds in round 3, by player, not position. As I mentioned before, I like Cam Thomas (we definitely agree on Cody). Round 4 looks good. Pick 5A is just awesome! I really want Newhouse, too. 5B is OK, if Joseph is still on the boards. I’d have gone for Oghobaase, but we’re definitely on the same page. I like Chaney for 5C, also. I’m a little worried, though. That pick is fairly late in the round. I hope he’s still on the board.
All-in-all, you’ve addressed all our roster priorities; WR, NT, interior OL, OLB, ILB, and secondary. Nice work!
Thanks Special K
I was wondering where u were
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 4, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
Nice job! i can live with these results....
by NFL season ticket holder on Mar 4, 2010 1:19 AM CST reply actions
I would die from a heart attack before I would even get to see that team on the field.
Hell I might go into cardiac arrest if we the only thing we did on that list was draft Berry.
Very nice Larry.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 4, 2010 6:16 PM CST reply actions
Extremely thorough post.
I don’t post on here very often, but this is one of the more insightful things I’ve ever read regarding an offseason plan. I felt compelled to let you know how much I appreciate you not only doing this research, but also taking the time to explain your reasons in depth.
I’m no draftnik, so I don’t have much insight to offer. I do think you do an excellent job of identifying the Chiefs’ needs, and I also agree with your “marriage” analogy regarding the secondary and the pass rush whole-heartedly. I’ve heard the same concerns repeatedly regarding Cody; and, as a secondary Rams fan, I have an extreme aversion to linemen with the “lazy” tag. I’ve seen it too often on that side of the state with the likes of Jimmy Kennedy and Alex Barron. I’m much more intrigued with your description of Troup.
Thanks again for the work.
Goodbye to my fabulous plan
I wish the Chiefs would go after Dunta Robinson. Unfortunately, all signs point to ATL and Pioli’s budy Demitrioff. There goes my plan…smh!
I wish the Chiefs would pursue better FAs then Chester Taylor, and Nate Burleson…
Try this
Drop to #9 With Buafflo get their #41. Send DJ and D. Morgan to the Lions for their 2nd round pick. Send Our worst two fifths to Cleveland for NT Rogers. Send Croyle to Arizona for A. Boldin. Sign LB Banta Cain, TE Ben Watson and The best Guard out there.
R1 #9 CB Joe Hadan-Florida
R2 #34 C Maukrice Pouncey-Florida
R2 #36 LB Brandon Spikes-Florida
R2 #41 NT Terrance Cody-Alabama
R2 #50 SS Chad Jones-LSU
R3 #68 RB Toby Gerhart-Stanford
R4 #99 LB Micah Johnson-Kentucky
R5 #132 WR Eric Decker-Minnesota
Man...I dont mean to rain
but that sounds highly unlikely. Lots and lots of moves there.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 5, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
this isn't fine tuning, this is a total rebuilding...
…but, since it’s here,
1. if we don’t sign Robinson, & switch sights to Rolle, Haden could be attractive
2. I don’t think Pouncey gets out of the 1st round
3. I still don’t like Cody
4. if we don’t sign Chambers, we need a WR by second round
May be right
About Pouncey. I think this odd off season has shown that a NT as now right behind QB in terms of importance to a 3-4 team. The upside for Cody is worth the gamble at the NT position.
...and...
If I were a GM of a team who might be in the market for a QB, & don’t draft highly, why would I send a valuabel draft pick to another team for a QB (whom I like) with an injury history, when all I need to do is write David Carr’s agent a check?
Well
We would be getting Boldin (who they want a third for), they would get Croyle who at worst is as good as Leinart. Croyle has had injury probelms, but the guy has a rocket for a arm and a nice touch.
Well, Well...
I like Croyle. However, Carr’s got a lot more on the table. Forget about all the talk about “happy feet”, he’s had 3 years off to get over it. He’s still the guy who burned it up at FSU.
Well
Wouldn’t it be something for the Cardinals to go to camp with Carr, Croyle and Leinart. They would have a lot to talk about
well III...
as long as we’re fantacizing, how ’bout this scenario? We send Croyle to AZ, & sign Carr ourselves, & he beats out Cassel next summer?
That is a new topic
I have not been impressed with many of Pioli’s moves so far. Cassel is a question mark to me. He is a smart QB like Brady, but I am not sure of his skill set. He almost dealt Charles (a rumor) for a fifth last year while LJ was slapping out 2 yards a carry. Maybe we win two more games with Charles starting the whole time, that would have put us in a better position to sign FA’s. 6-10 looks much better than 4-12.
He gambles on guys past their prime and misses on most, then he hits on one (Chambers) and he walks right into FA.
He doesn't do a lot of thrashing around. He invested relatively little in the older veterans.
He could afford to part ways with Toomer, and he DID.
I think if you try to do too much all at once, you end up doing a lot of things poorly, and are back at square 1 two or three years later, cursing your bad luck, when it was thinking that there’s such a thing as a quick fix.
translation
Pioli = smart guy
You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
Mark my words...
Carr’s going to have ‘Frisco challenging the Cards for top spot in the NFC West. I need to reestablish contact with his mother-in-law; I need an autographed niners’ jersey.
But
I think the moves make since for both parties. Detriot is very active in FA, therefore they don’t have to count on the draft as heavily, plus Gunther!!! Arizona wants to trade Boldin and they need a QB. Cleveland would send Rogers back over to Crennel, then they would have five fifth round picks to move up with. Buafflo depends on the QB’s available when we pick at five.
That would be a great WR group but...
Both Decker and Boldin have a history of injuries. If I could have it my way, trying to keep it realistic, id like this…
Bowe | Chambers | Gilyard/Tate
or
Bowe | Boldin | Gilyard/Tate
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 5, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Decker
Had one injury that i know of. I like his skill set and make up, from what I have read.
Ive watched alot of Decker
But that foot injury he had was a nagging one, and from what i know, it was a reoccurring injury. i wouldn’t be upset if we drafted him. I just wouldn’t expect him to contribute immediately. He really compares to Kevin Walters actually.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 5, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Gatornation
I really like Hadan and Spikes. Two stud corners would really help our team, and Spikes has a little Ray Lewis in him-and we could use a little Ray Lewis.
Wasn’t a huge fan of Larry’s free agents. He also didn’t get us a LT in the draft which is Important. If Berry taken 1st then my 2B pick changes to LT/Tony Washington. Otherwise he did a great job. I did this mock on Monday.
I would like ILB Larry Foote or Antonio Pierce. OLB Pisa Tinoisamoa or Joey Porter. S Jermaine Phillips or Sean Jones.CB Lito Shepard or Leigh Bodden,NT Ma’ake Kemoeatu or Shaun Smith.
Some of these worked out as you can see 1 of my picks worked out so far. Larry is in AZ with Joey and they will probably sign as a pair to join Haggans as West Coast Steelers.
How does this plan sound? Sign these FA’s
ILB/Larry Foote,S/Sean Jones,NT/Shaun Smith,CB/Lito Sheppard
Then trade 3rd pick to Chi for TE/Eric Olsen
Draft goes like this.
1. LT/Okung
2A.C/G Maurkice Pauncey
2B SS/Darrell Stuckey
3rd to Chicago for Olsen
4th NT/Torrel Troup
5A DE C.J. Wilson
5B WR Jordan Shipley or WR Marcus Easley
5C KR/PR Trindon Holliday
Here are your starters
CB, Lito Shepard| FS, Jarrad Page | SS, Sean Jones | CB, Brandon Flowers
OLB, Tamba Hali | ILB,Larry Foote | ILB, Demarrio Williams | OLB, Derrick Johnson
DE, Glenn Dorsey | NT, Shaun Smith | DE, Tyson Jackson
Offense
LOT,Russel Okung | LG, Brian Waters | C, Maurkice Pauncey | RG, Brandon Albert | ROT, Ryan O’Callahan
WR, Dwayne Bowe | WR, Chris Chambers | WR, Jordan Shipley | TE, Eric Olsen
QB, Matt Cassel | RB, Jamaal Charles/Thomas Jones | FB, Mike Cox
Special Teams
P, Dustin Colquitt | K, Ryan Succop | PR, Trindon Holliday | KR, Trindon Holliday
Nice
Only thing is, I dont see alot of defensive help in your draft
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
probably enough..depth not real good yet.
Thats because I got them in FA….ILB/Larry Foote,NT/Shaun Smith,CB/Lito Shepard are all young enough to get 2-3 years of production. SS D Stuckey who has a chance to start, NT/Troup to learn and backup Shaun Smith, DE C.J Wilson to back up either side(check his measurables and stats at walterfootball.com). Yes I would like more LB help in this scenario and almost put ILB/Darryl Sharpton there but felt I needed a slot receiver(feel Shipley will fall but is a good possesion receiver at this point). Could always add Laveurneus Coles in FA and still get Sharpton. Was surprised you had Linval falling that far. I liked him too but thought he may be gone by 4th rd,
Chaney
You also had Chaney falling to 5th rd which won’t happen,,,probablyfall to 3-4 rd at best. I think he was the fastest LB so that jumps him up a bit.
why did you chose the free agents you did?
Those players haven’t even been mentioned with the Chiefs?
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Leon Washington
What does everyone think of this as an option? Sign Leon Washington as a KR/PR/Slot Receiver/RB…2 years ago he had 47 catches. He is only 27 and is a playmaker!
Career Stats more
Season Team Rushing Receiving Fumbles
G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2009 New York Jets 7 0 72 331 4.6 33 0 15 131 8.7 33 0 1 1
2008 New York Jets 16 1 76 448 5.9 61T 6 47 355 7.6 40 2 3 2
2007 New York Jets 16 4 71 353 5.0 49 3 36 213 5.9 18 0 4 2
2006 New York Jets 16 8 151 650 4.3 23 4 25 270 10.8 64 0 3 1
TOTAL 370 1,782 4.8 61 13 123 969 7.9 64 2 11 6
We would have to give up a 2nd for him
We dont need an additional RB. We should draft a WR or CB who doubles as a return guy.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Because they fit their system
What players have been mentioned? The Chiefs are always quiet about their options …I was just putting pieces of a puzzle together. Javaris Green.. I did hear that was a rumor.
I was not thinking of using Leon as a RB(threw that in there to show versatility) really thinking slot receiver and PR/KR. I thought I saw somewhere he was unrestricted but I am wrong and you are right about giving up 2nd rd(Not doing that). I saw you had Gilyard but not willing to get him with a 2nd rd pick…he is a 3rd to me and I got TE/Eric Olsen for my 3rd. Hence Trindon Holliday getting picked in 5th.
Return Guys
These 2 guys should be available with our last, pick 5A Just other return options.
Brandon Banks, Kansas State
Height: 5-7. Weight: 149.
Projected 40 Time: 4.29.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Vertical: . Broad: .
Projected Round (2010): 5-6.
1/19/10: A solid punt returner, but his bread and butter is taking kickoffs to the house. Brandon Banks scored four touchdowns on kickoff returns this year, maintaining a 28.9 average.
10/10/09: One of the top kick-returners in the nation, Brandon Banks has two scores on a 35.5 average.
LeRoy Vann, KR/PR, Florida A&M
Height: 5-8. Weight: 175.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39.
Combine 40 Time: .
Benchx225: . Vertical: .
Projected Round (2010): 5-6.
1/9/10: LeRoy Vann doesn’t have a position on offense or defense in the pros, but with his five special teams touchdowns in 2009, he now has 11 in the past two years!
3/7/09: I’m not sure how effective LeRoy Vann will be as an NFL corner, but when you have six kickoff/punt returns for touchdowns in a single season, who cares?
Id prefer
Golden Tate, Mardy Gilyard or Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Love 2 of those guys but...
Tate and Gilyard are early 2nd rd and 2-3 rd which doesn’t work in my draft…Center is almost the most pressing need for this team..gotta get Pauncey to handle all the big NT we are going to face and he won’t be there for 2B pick.If you don’t get Pouncey then you have to hope in 4th round C/Olsen is there.That also forces you to get Cam Thomas with 2B pick if that falls that way.
combine 2 drafts
Here is my compromise to you.
1. LT/Okung
2A. WR/Tate
2B. NT/Cam Thomas
3. Sent to Chicago for TE/Eric Olsen
4. C/Eric Olsen (weird 2 guys same name consecutively)
5A WR/Marcus Easley
5B ILB/Darryl Sharpton
5C S Barry Church
Shaun Smith side notes
In the 6 years he has been in the league he has started over 10 games just once. 2 career sacks! So check out his stats before getting too excited about him. My thought is to sign Gerard Warren as a player to compete with (insurance if you will), because mark my words Smith will not make it the whole season. Warren is only 31 has 32 sacks in 10 seasons and has only missed 8 games. 1st link is Smiths stats …2nd link is Warrens stats.
http://www.nfl.com/players/shaunsmith/profile?id=SMI711660
http://www.nfl.com/players/gerardwarren/profile?id=WAR639317
Yup. I think SD feels Warren's hit the wall.
I’d take a flier on ‘im, but the price might be too rich for as much surety as you have that he hasn’t hit the wall.
What would you rather have?
Kirk Morrison or LB/Andra Davis and TE/ Eric Olsen
Kirk Morrison or ILB/Larry Foote and TE/Eric Olsen
Pretty easy when put this way. I will take good 2 players over just one great.
So my point is give Chicago our 3rd rd pick and give me a top 5 TE for Cassel to throw to and a potential Pro-Bowl LB.
Id actually rather have
Kirk Morrison and rookie TE Anthony McCoy
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 12, 2010 12:42 PM CST reply actions

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