Derrick Johnson's Tender Level Could Speak To Future With The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM CST
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs will more than likely offer a tender to restricted free agent Derrick Johnson before the onset of free agency tomorrow night. What we don't know is what level that will be at.
Since there is expected to be a lot more movement going on in the restricted free agent market, tender levels can say a lot about a player, according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.
"If a team is interested in trading a player," Lombardi writes, "it might lower the tender and make it attractive for a team to come in and make an offer. If a team tenders a first and a third, most teams will back off, but if they tender just a first rounder, there might be more action."
Insert DJ's name in there and see what happens.
If the Chiefs are interested in keeping him, they could tender him at a first and third round pick and some teams might shy away. However, if they tender him at just the first round pick level, there could be some teams inquiring about his availability.
So, keep an eye on DJ's tender level. There's been plenty of speculation swirling regarding his future with the team.
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Question then:
Would you be willing to part with DJ now for a first round pick, NEXT year?
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Good question.
I would. That’s a whole lot of potential value for a slightly above average player.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 3, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Tough one
I personally think a future 1st is worth more than a present 2nd, although it does depend on where in the round the present 2nd is, as well as how good that team looks for the next season. Lots of old guys they’ll probably lose, so they’ll probably tank the following season? Easy choice: grab the future 1st.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Hell No...
screw future picks. Besides, we might not even have football next season. So what would happen then? Would that pick roll over to the following season? I’m with keeping the kid or getting a pick THIS year…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Mar 3, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
We'll see.
A 1st round tender might scare teams off, especially considering the depth of this draft. I think a 2nd would draw in some real buyers, and would benefit us a lot… considering the depth of this draft. Thoughts?
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 3, 2010 10:51 AM CST reply actions
I would love it
if we got a 2nd for him considering the depth in this draft. We need to do something while his value is up……
by Hail2DaChiefs on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
especially if it is the lions 2nd rounder.
because that’s basically a first.
by jakethesnake27 on Mar 3, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Here's something to consider...
Where do you think when comparing him to the class of ILB’s in this draft, he falls in talent level?
Talent level......
maybe 2nd to 3rd rd. Consistency might be a different story.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Mar 3, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
because looking at the teams individually, it would take alot out of the running.
putting a 1st round tender would probably take out the top half of the draft. I beleive the lions would at least discuss taking a 2nd, but not the #2 over all.
by jakethesnake27 on Mar 3, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I just realized something....I know, I know the world aint flat...
But is it possible Pioli will low ball some tenders to try and stockpile picks for a blockbuster trade? (ex. Boldin)
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or just stockpile picks
to have lots of picks in a talent rich draft
by jakethesnake27 on Mar 3, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm fine with a second.
A 1st would be amazing, but I just don’t see a team wanting to give a 1st for him.
Maybe it's just me (it usually is)...
But, unelss we just get a big time offer for DJ…I’d like to see us keep him. I’m curious to see if Romeo can bring out the best in this kid.
It won't break my heart if we keep him
but we know what he is. For what he is, if we can get someone that has a chance to be better. Of course, that person could now be as well, but I personally feel as though the risk-reward is good and could pay off.
by jakethesnake27 on Mar 3, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
But the question is...
Is that the type of player he is, and will always be? Or is he a product of the coaching he’s had thus far in his NFL career?
Valid point...
and I don’t know. Hard to gague that over the last few years…
by jakethesnake27 on Mar 3, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
IMHO
Good players are good players and will develop/won’t develop on their own. Having good players around him help too.
He’s had five years on the team…it’s not like a second year player in a sophomore slump where we can say “lets see if he pans out.” Personally, I have a hard time hanging it on coaching. He knew how to play the game before being drafted.
"Speed...(long pause)....Kills." -- Lenny Dawson (on JC)
It appears to me that he is what he is
The knock on him coming out of college was that he was not physical enough, did not fill consistent enough, but was a great athlete.
Well, that is just what he is in the NFL. And he has always been that player in the NFL.
After being the same type of player over numerous coaches…you just have to take DJ for what he is.
Bewsaf
I will say this
it looked like DJ upped his game after feeling dissed by Haley and sitting on the bench. But it shouldn’t take those motivational tactics to get a player to be productive. That’s a false productivity—with diminishing returns over time.
"Speed...(long pause)....Kills." -- Lenny Dawson (on JC)
Well put, I approve of this message.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Original round tender
From what I’ve read, it seems that an “original round” tender is an obvious choice, unless we think we can get an 1st and 3rd for him. It costs less than even a second, but we still get a 1st rounder or a chance to match if someone else makes an offer.
I’m no expert on this, though, I’m just basing it on what I’ve read here.
Not trying to spam but it's relevent to this thread as well
This is where DJ falls with tenders for players with 5 years:
Original draft pick compensation (based on what round the player was selected): $1,226,000
Second-round tender: $1,849,000
First-round tender: $2,621,000
First- and third-round tender: $3,268,000
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
Id still do the second
If we don’t move him this year, and he goes through the same mess next year, I think his value will fall dramatically. Teams will most likely say he is the problem, not Haley’s choice to idle him.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Or 110% whichever is greater
DJ made 2.2 last year. You can put a 2nd round on him but would have to pay him 2.4 million.
by Lost in Denver on Mar 3, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
in which case might as well do at least 1st Round ...
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My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
I’d tender him with a 2nd and hope someone signs him. I like DJ, but I’d take a 2nd for him.
If they really want to keep him, an original round tender seems logical, and cheaper.
if I remember correctly most of the compensation picks would be in the 2011 draft.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
These are not compensatory picks
If a team signs DJ we get their pick in the tendered round.
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by Scaryclouds on Mar 3, 2010 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure there's a single player on our entire team
who I wouldn’t trade for a 1st round pick.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Jamaal Charles?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 3, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
MAYBE not Tyson Jackson, because we’d probably need to use a 1st to replace him, MAYBE not Albert and MAYBE not Flowers, for the same reason…
but just about anybody else would be gone if someone offered me a 1st round pick for them.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
even Succop and Colquitt?
Those dudes should be able to hold the fort for many years I hope and it sucked trying to find a good kicker the last few years. (no pun intended) lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Flowers and Charles, IMO
Jackson’s big and strong, and not much else. I think he’d be replaced much more easily with a non-1st than Flowers or Charles would. The chances of finding a tall defensive tackle who can hold the point like Jackson can in the second or third would be pretty good, I think.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I would even let J.C go for a 1st rounder.
Like everyone has been saying here lately J.C can’t hold up carrying the full load. Well i say if he can’t hold up, he’s not my guy. I want a RB that can take a beating and keep coming back for more, not someone like J.C, where every time he runs the ball I’m scared he’s going to get hurt. Kinda like when J.Montana was our QB, i was scared every time he dropped back.
I wouldn't compare JC to Bush at all
Bush not once in his career has produced anything near JC.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Only in college
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not really meaning stats
Just a high profile player that was suppose to do great thing only to get hurt.
Any reason you're pegging this, or is this just a dart?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
That's because of the evolution of the game, not a shortcoming by Jamaal Charles
RBs who carry the full load for lots of carries wear out really quickly, and that will happen if Charles goes that route. The same goes for Chris Johnson. I think pretty much everyone agrees that Chris Johnson can’t continue to carry the full load for Tennessee, or else he’ll go the way of other overused backs. That doesn’t mean he’s not worth a first-round pick.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I love J.C
But should we be drafting a RB earlier in the draft, that’s what i wonder about. do we need another running of his caliber or better, and does the other RB need to be a bruiser? What down’s do we use J.C 1st and 2nd or 3rd down’s? I personally would want J.C on the field on 3rd down’s if we have to throw, but what if he has already carried the ball on first and second down?
What does drafting a RB in the first round have to do with the discussion?
That’s a completely different issue. Who said anything about doing that? This is about whether it would be smart to trade Charles for a first-round pick. It wouldn’t. By far the biggest reason behind that is that Charles is a fairly established and successful NFL back, while the failure rate for draft picks is so high that even if KC were to draft a replacement back in the 2nd or 3rd, the chances are that he wouldn’t amount to as much as Charles is now.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Hey that was a question
Should we be looking to draft another RB, and should it be someone from the early rounds that could start if J.C was to get hurt. We are talking about J.C right? I agree trading J.C for a 1st rounder would be taking a chance, and most likely we wouldn’t get one with the skills he has, but we might get one that’s good enough to carry the load, and not get hurt doing it. What I’m trying to say is if we are worried about J.C holding up, should we try and get one of the better backs early, that’s all. We were after all talking about backs getting wore out, and i asked a simple question. Pretty simple to figure out, i thought.
Secondly if we traded J.C
For a 1st rounder i would hope we would use that pick to replace him. So why is it so confusing to you that i would talk about draft one?
You don't trade an inexpensive guy for a pick...
…and then try to replace him with that very pick. That would make zero sense at all. All one would be doing would be increasing the likelihood of failure.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 4, 2010 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Dude
First off, theirs no way J.C is going to be traded for any picks even a first rounder.
I said i would be OK with it if we did, because that is what this post is about, i wouldn’t be real happy about it, but it wouldn’t break my heart either. We are already having to look for a RB right now, cause of J.C size, and that he might get hurt. That being said, we might want to draft one of the better RB available, in case J.C gets hurt. You responding to everyone of my comments like their facts, is pretty much a fuckin joke,i’m just making conversation about the topic, and other points of view about it.
Id have to say
right now i like Dorsey more than Jackson. and i wouldnt trade either for a first rounder. nor would i trade Albert, Flowers, or Cassel…unless Charlie REALLY wants Clausen…
…then im just plain worried.
No team is giving up a first round pick for DJ.
Not this year, not next year. I think we’d be lucky to get a 3rd.
i would tag him with as a second rounder
And hope gunther would give up their pick in the second. A high second rounder is gold for the Chiefs: golden tate, markice pouncey, terrence cody, brandon spikes just to name a few.
would those picks come THIS year???
then too, think about this, as Lost In Denver noted:
Or 110% whichever is greater
DJ made 2.2 last year. You can put a 2nd round on him but would have to pay him 2.4 million
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A nice link
on RFA, must read near bottom of the comments
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 3, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
way cool, ty Steve
so yeah … IF … an offer was made AND accepted … THEN … you get those picks this year
so, is DJ worth a 1st Round to some other club? possibly, depending on their specific needs AND how high/low they pick … a lower 1st Round isn’t out of the question for a team with LB needs
otherwise we keep him … and I do have a feeling Romeo can get him to play a LOT better than Haley ever could
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but he will still be playing for Haley, wont he?
j/k…lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Lanier, you need some Bar-B-Q ... talk to Satchmo =grinning=
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Whitlock Rocks!
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beer included?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Can you eat Bar-B-Q without beer? I always thought it was a law.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
oh, that ... see, that's the Law of Supply and Demand
someone supplies the bar-b-q then you demand the beer
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I would take that and feel like a thief...a happy thief
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
I'm all for tendering DJ...problem is...
ILB’s are a dime a dozen in the NFL…We’d replace DJ for much less than we get for him. Which is good for us, but I can’t imagine too many teams wanting someone like that unless they have multiple vacancies at ILB they need to fill.,,hey…wait…that sounds like the Chiefs!
I’m back to keeping DJ.
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but if DJ was taken in the 5th round, would you feel the same way?
ILB’s are a dime a dozen if they are GOOD and most importantly consistent…DJ is not consistent, hes never been close to that and hes actually never played a complete game…even his 2 pick game he was beat multiple times in coverage, missed 3 tackles on ONE drive…
all I am saying is that if this is a deep draft, and we can get 1-2 picks for this guy….do it
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
but I can’t imagine too many teams wanting someone like that unless they have multiple vacancies at ILB they need to fill.,,hey…wait…that sounds like the Chiefs!
In a 4-3, he wouldn’t play inside…he’d be either the Sam (where we tried to fit him and failed) or the Will (his position in college)
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Great point PV
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 3, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't Vrabel the Sam backer?
Williams and Mays are the Will and Mike backer respectively :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
I know its not popular
but I would be totally happy with a 3rd rounder, and if we could pick up a 7 as well, get back in that round….I would be STOKED…
once again, I jumped for joy when we drafted him, I was one of the first to order his jersey(away) but I was also one of the first to realize he just is not a top end LB, hes a yo-yo player, and when I first met him his rookie year I said to my father “gosh, he doesn’t look like hes in the shape you would expect”.
I have ZERO desire now to keep DJ, I think he makes those big plays but then 80 percent of the time is a mediocre LB at best…I think its robbery to get ANYTHING for him, and if it wasnt for the final game his value would be NIL
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson=
he'd be better,
ona better team. A team that wont rely on him to do everything. He could compliment a team.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
wait ... are you saying our beloved Chiefs are NOT a "complete team?" that we have HOLES around some of our players?
so, like … a better DLine and maybe other GOOD LBs around DJ and … BAM … he looks a whole lot BETTER?
well, yeah …
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I think the most
we’ll get out of him is a 3rd, he didn’t even start last years which show he’s not versatile and would be kept to a 4-3. Maybe we can get a 2011 2nd like we got for TG, I’d be fine with that.
just dont make it a performanced based deal
Otherwise we’ll get the low end of the offer.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
Id rather take a 3rd round pick for DJ straight up who
is an every down player, has an upside and possibly be the next great LB after a few years maturing, than to see DJ sit on the bench every series for two out of three plays, each game.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
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