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Berry vs. Bulaga: The Walterfootball Math Edition

 

WARNING:  This entire post should be written in the sarcasm font.  However, I felt that it might be hard to look at, but be advised sarcasm is afoot.

So in the last few days Walterfootball has turned my whole world upside down.  I the founder of the Draft Eric Berry Fanclub had the very foundation of my universe rocked by this article by Walterfootball that spells out why safeties aren't worth an early first round pick.  It's been discussed on AP a couple times now.  For those that haven't read it, I'll summarize.  Safeties aren't worth picking because teams that drafted safeties in the first 15 picks of the first round were only 242-284 (a 46% winning percentage) with those safeties on their roster.  In other words, they didn't make their teams winners.  So obviously we should disband the fanclub and go with Brian Bulaga who Walterfootball has in their latest mock draft.  However, before we do so let's use a little of their own math and logic.

AP, I present you ERIC BERRY

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  VS.

BRIAN BULAGA

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THE WALTERFOOTBALL MATH EDITION

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Okay, so here goes.  I have used their logic of seeing how a draft pick's success is measured by the winning percentage of that team while that player is on their roster.  Now they used the top 15 picks in their research.  However, we aren't picking 15th we're picking 5th.  So for better accuracy (screw sample size, that's not important, is it?) let's narrow our scope to the top 5 picks dating back to 1991.  Let's look at the team winning percentage of all the safeties and offensive tackles taken in the top 5 picks.  I'm sure their wonderful evaluation tool will show us how building with a franchise tackle will yield far greater results then the worthless safety position.

Now I know what you're thinking, "Porkchop, the winning percentage of teams drafting in the top 5 picks isn't going to be very good.  They're bad teams and are picking top 5 for a reason."  I understand, I was there myself.  Don't confuse yourself with "logic" and "reason".  This is just how it is.  Accept it and move on.

Okay let's look at the safeties.  We have 1991 2nd overall pick Eric Turner who went to the Cleveland Browns and Sean Taylor who went 5th overall to the Redskins.  That's all of them, but as I said before sample size really isn't important to get an accurate result.

Cleveland's record in seasons with Turner:  36-44

Washington's record in seasons with Taylor:  30-34

Total record of teams who picked safeties top 5:  66-78 for a 45.83% winning percentage (those losers!)

Now let's look at those teams that were smart and took the offensive tackle in the top 5.  Here's the list Orlando Pace 1st overall to the Rams in 1997, Chris Samuels 3rd overall to the Redskins in 2000 (how could one team be smart enough to take a tackle one year and a safety the other?  That's weird), Mike Williams 4th overall to the Bills in 2002, Robert Gallery 2nd overall to the Raiders in 2004, D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4th overall to the Jets in 2006, Joe Thomas 3rd overall to the Browns in 2007, Levi Brown 5th overall to the Cardinals in 2007, Jake Long 1st overall to the Dolphins in 2008, and Jason Smith 2nd overall to the Rams in 2009.  So here are the records of those teams with their franchise saving tackle on the roster.

Rams with Pace:  92-100

Skins with Samuels:  70-90

Bills with Williams:  28-36

Raiders with Gallery:  25-71 (Only because he turned out to be a G disguised as a T, sneaky bastard.)

Jets with Ferguson:  32-32

Browns with Thomas:  19-29

Cards with Brown:  27-21

Fins with Long:  18-14

Rams with Smith:  1-15

Total record of teams with their top 5 tackles on the roster:  312-408 for a 43.33% winning percentage.

Wait, that can't be right, can it?  I mean I'm no math guru, but isn't 45.83% higher then 43.33%?  How could teams that were stupid enough to draft a safety with a top 5 pick have a higher winning percentage then the teams that were blessed with the wisdom to do the right thing and take a tackle?  How could Walterfootball create this perfect, flawless system to figure out if a position is worth the pick and then in their mock draft select a position that is worse using their own system.

WHAT THE HELL AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL THE DRAFT BRIAN BULAGA FANCLUB T-SHIRTS I JUST PRINTED UP?!?!?!?

This can't be right!  I mean sure the Brown's PPG allowed went from last in the league at 28.9 the year before he was drafted up to 14th at 18.6 the year after he was drafted, but Turner didn't have anything to do with that.  The Browns wasted that pick.  Yes, he had 9 INTs in 1994, made the Pro Bowl and the team went to the playoffs on the back of its defense (and its league leading 12.8 PPG allowed), but drafting him was a mistake damn it.

Yes, the Redskins YPG allowed went from 25th at 338.2 the year before Taylor was drafted up to 3rd at 267.6 the year after he was drafted.  Yes their PPG allowed jumped from 24th at 23.2 up to 5th at 16.6, but again that's just a lucky coincidence.  Taylor didn't really matter, he wasn't important.

So in conlusion, Walterfootball's method is still correct in saying safeties aren't worth top picks.  After all, remember what Peter King told us:  Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu aren't that valuable to their teams because Bob Sanders is injury prone (don't think about it, just smile and accept it).  Now Walterfootball has obviously overlooked some factor that has caused the offensive tackle results to come out too low.  Don't worry, I'm sure they'll get their voodoo math straightened out before the draft and be able to prove to us that Brian Bulaga is the way to go.

 

PORKCHOP OUT

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Eric Turner is a #2 pick, which is better than #5!!!!

So you can’t add those numbers in. Only #5 picks should be included in this analysis to ensure perfection.

And I agree with you, this is the perfect way to analyze whether a safety is worth a #5 pick.

by Boots 58 on Mar 29, 2010 4:34 PM CDT reply actions  

That's it Boots, you've cracked their system!

That’s why Bulaga will be better. The only #5 pick OT on this list is Levi Brown whose team has gone 27-21 as opposed to Taylor the only #5 pick safety whose team went 30-34. So #5 pick OTs ARE better then #5 pick safeties. Thanks man!

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by KCporkchop on Mar 29, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the sample...

size is very telling. If Turner and Taylor turned their teams defenses around so much why aren’t safetys drafted in the top 5 more often? The Rams got a ring and the Cards competed for one. With the same QB! You know what that tells me? Its a QB driven league and you better protect his ass. The other teams that floundered on that list had no franchise QB.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 29, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

By the way...

the two players that the Skins or Browns could of had in those drafts were Brett Farve and Ben Roethlisberger. Probably not considered the BPA at the time, but I think their positions are far more important than S. We have two choices with this 5th pick. Since we already have a QB we have two options with this 5th pick. Protect our guy from getting his ass knocked to the ground or get a guy that will knock the other QBs ass on the ground. Suh or Bulaga. Thats it in my book.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 29, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what the FA signings were supposed to accomplish.

The weakest positions on the OL at the end of the year were RG and C. Both positions upgraded in the FA market. Face it man. We’re not using the 5th overall on an offensive lineman.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 29, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok...

if Suh isn’t on the board and we draft anything other than an offensive tackle I will buy you a six pack of your favorite beer. If we trade down or Suh is on the board and we take him we will call it a draw. If we draft Bulaga you got to buy me a six pack of beer. I swear to god I will mail it to you.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 29, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell...

I’ll personally deliver it if you live in the KC metro area.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 29, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol.

You’re on.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 29, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought I had your bet IBR

I got it in my profile for when the trade happens :)

I rec Porkchop and I rec RGB.

I have no problem with our new Cornerback Eric Berry :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 29, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t our bet concerning Suh falling to us?

Call me Red or IBR for short

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 29, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No trading Dorsey

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 29, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm for protecting the QB

just not for dumping $70M to fix something that can be fixed for $10M.

Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?

Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Mar 29, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a safety next year that will be just as good as Berry imo.

Rahim Morris is a great player for UCLA.

You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.

by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 29, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

and u can guarantee

he is available in the draft to the Chiefs next year right?

"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "

by sgthall on Mar 29, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

he should be unless the chiefs do better than 11-5 or so.

He is projected where safeties should go in the last 15 spots of the 1st round.

You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.

by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 30, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Done. Case closed.

No one can ever again reference the WalterFootball article as proof of why you shouldn’t take a safety in the top 5.

Rec’d Porkchop. Thank you sir.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 29, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

omfg Porky, I was grinning the ENTIRE time ... especially in light of a previous post earlier today (go figure)

triple rec’d goodly fun awesome and otherworldly fantabulous stuffs …

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by upamtn on Mar 29, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

You mean you enjoy sarcasm? Would of never guessed.

seriously, thanks for the kind words.

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and the "Team O'Callaghan at RT" club

by KCporkchop on Mar 29, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only way that I could possibly see Bulaga being the #5 pick..

is if Sam Bradfor, and Clausen are gone, and someone is extremely in love with Bulaga.

If the Chiefs want to reach for someone in the draft at number 5… and don’t want to draft a safety, I believe that Rolando McClain or Dan Williams fill more of a need than Bryan Bulaga. Everytime I see that on Walterfootball it urks me.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Mar 31, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was great Porkchop...I loved it. You had me smiling from the initial disclaimer..lol

 rec’d buddy!! Tks. And in part because you really did do a lot of work to put together that much info and still have a lot of humor in there. I read the same things you did. According to the math we shouldn’t draft anyone unless they are already in the NFL and have proven themselves worthy of being drafted IMO lol.

by krayfish on Mar 29, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks man.

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and the "Team O'Callaghan at RT" club

by KCporkchop on Mar 29, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious

Great post, well written and said exactly what I wanted to and couldnt haha. REC’D x 100 if I could. Safety is an impact position for a team that lacks skill and talent at that position (us) And with his run stopping skills as well he is improving multiple levels of our game… I dont care who we get as long as they change the game for us, but I still say Berry is the best prospect at our spot to do so.

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.

by Pollard49 on Mar 29, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

My favorite is when someone gets up on their high horse and tells me about how safeties just aren’t picked that high and how people who understand positional value in the NFL know that you just can’t pick Berry there. Then they follow that with saying they think we should take McClain an ILB. Go back to 1991 and see how many ILBs went top 5.

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and the "Team O'Callaghan at RT" club

by KCporkchop on Mar 29, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Porkchop

I'd tell ya this was a great post but, i would just be brown nosing.

               Like all these other guy’s:P

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 29, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cavey I have a Knife

well actually my wife has a Bolo knife.

Do not venture into Berry country without one :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 29, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

I want Berry… He seems like one of the safest picks to me. Has gotten the best “Overall good” reviews, for multiple skills. Either way great post again man, reading it again

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.

by Pollard49 on Mar 29, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

BRILLIANT. That’s how you debunk faulty logic.

by dablueguy on Mar 29, 2010 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

USe it against them?

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 29, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Great post! Porkchop=my new hero.

by whoadog on Mar 29, 2010 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

AHHHHH

My mind is in explode mode, every day m mind changes on who we should draft. One day I think Berry another I think McClain and another I think Dan Williams. So many choices but the truth is only Berry would make me happy!

by Chiefs3188 on Mar 29, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Eldeberry Wine

will help

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 29, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, i really dont see the Dan Williams angle..

unless they fall back, and even then i would say a E. Thomas or T. Mays. I believe one of those tackles will be there at the 2a spot. I really believe the 1st pick we take will be defense, question is at what spot.

by Sea of RED on Mar 29, 2010 6:37 PM CDT reply actions  

*COUGH*

*COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH* SAFETY *COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COUGH**COU

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.

by Pollard49 on Mar 29, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great read PC!!!

I laugh everytime I check Walterfootball! I guess since Pioli reached last year he’s got to do it every year. Make it his signature move! “What? The best safety prospect since Jesus? Nah, we’ll take the 3rd ‘best’ lineman because we need another LT. Our 2 year starting veteran only did a great job his first year so we’ll reach to replace him. It’s my MO, I do what I want.” Al Davis must be rubbing off on ’ol walterfootball…

Thomas Jones and the Lombardi, DO IT!

by shotty on Mar 29, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Its Funny

I read what walter football said and I thought in my head “What about teams that picked OT instead” I just didn’t have time to do the math or really wanted to.(I was thinking more along the lines of playoff success) But you ended up doing it anyway and its what I thought, OT or S it don’t really matter anyway. I think it has to do with teams actually picking that high which is detrimental to their success. While Polamalu or Reed weren’t expected to “turn-around-the-Franchise” because their teams were never really struggling.

OP you should really send this to Walter I wonder what’d he say.

by Green-Monster on Mar 29, 2010 11:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Porkchop, PLEASE send this to WalterFootball.

by dablueguy on Mar 30, 2010 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Bob Sanders - Injuries

That Peter King quote about injury prone Safeties is ridic…

Bob Sanders represents around 62% of those injuries between the 3 and if Troy didn’t get his knee busted out Saners would represent about 72% of that stat… sooooooooooo forgettttttttt about it………..

Draft Eric Berry now!!!

The opening scene of "Saving Private Ryan" is loosely based on games of dodgeball Eric Berry played in second grade.

Some pepole wear Superman pajamas. Superman wears Eric Berry pajamas.

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Draft:
1.) Eric Berry -FS/CB/KR/PR/SS - Tenn
2a.) Golden Tate -WR- Notre Dame
2b.) Jerry Hughes -LB- TCU
3.) Roger Saffold -OT- Indiana
4.) Koa Misi -DE/OLB- Utah
5a.) Linval Joesph -NT- East Carolina
5b.) O'Brien Schofield -DE- Wisconsin
5c.) Mike Johnson - OG - Alabama

by SwimCoach on Mar 30, 2010 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

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