If things go the way I expect, Berry will be the best available player when the Chiefs are on the...

If things go the way I expect, Berry will be the best available player when the Chiefs are on the clock. It's that simple.

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Whats not so simple...

is if we take Berry or go with a player with a higher positional value. I have no idea what to expect come a month from now.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 21, 2010 3:18 PM CDT reply actions

we'll just have to see what happens

i don’t think anybody knows. the suspense is killing me.

by liquorstoreclerk on Mar 21, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't think it's that complicated, actually

While it’s not necessarily going to be a case where KC has to pick between a superior player at a “lesser” position (Berry or Thomas at safety) or a lesser player at a “superior” position (Bulaga, Cody, D. Williams, etc.), even if it is, taking the latter would be folly. It’s about impact, and if we’re working under the assumption that the FO thinks Berry is a once-in-a-decade safety prospect, that’s much more valuable than a guy who’s arguably not even the top of his position in this particular draft.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 21, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes

We need a talent that we can’t find later in this draft.
I think that sums it up.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 21, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions

I think the best potential impact player options at #5:

Berry, Okung, McClain, Thomas, and Bryant

Although I don’t think the need at WR is big enough to bother with Bryant, so I’d scratch him off the list for KC.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 21, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Berry fits the "right 53" model, he will be a good study on...

whether the money matters. If paying a safety $8-10 million per year is an issue, we’ll know on draft day if Berry is on the board. Since he is arguably one of the top 3 players in the draft. I think the $$$ argument should go out the window since he can play any spot in the secondary.

by WesternChief on Mar 21, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions

That's something to consider

I’ve agreed for the most part with ChiefDJ’s wisdom that we won’t likely be selecting Berry due to cost/positional value, but the fact Berry could play CB makes the whole the positional value convo sketchy. CB’s earn significantly more than FS’s on the open market and the fact Berry is like Dale Carter (FS turned CB) creates a whole gray area.

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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 21, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions

But it would devalue Berry

He could certainly play corner, but his performance in that capacity has been such that he would be a late-1st at best. But the cost/positional value is probably not a particularly significant factor, and KC wouldn’t draft Berry to make him a corner anyway. It’d be a waste of his skills.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 21, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree with Shuffle

CB is what we should require out of Berry with the 5th pick :)
Else gray area and find a better solution

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 21, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions

But he's not as good at playing CB as he is at playing safety

So he wouldn’t be worth the #5 pick as a corner.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 21, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Ideally it would be better if we didn't pick at 5 at all!

I’m hoping for the planets to align making the draft fall in our favor.
If no one trades up into the top 4 I can see two offensive tackles being taken.
1) Bradford
2) Okung
3) McCoy
4) Bulaga
5) To anyone who wants Clausen/ Suh/ or Berry

Giving us a better than average chance for us to trade out of 5. Cleveland, Buffalo, and Jacksonville could all be interested into moving up.

I would like Earl Thomas, Dan Williams, Trent Williams, Sergio Kindle, or Golden Tate.

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by aPacificChief on Mar 22, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions

Even IF Berry could switch to CB

Which I think would be folly to the extreme, do we need a CB bad enough to pick one with the #5 overall pick? Hardly. And even if we did, aren’t there better CB prospects than trying to convert a Safety into a CB?

This just seems like more Berry mancrush trying to fool ourselves into believing any excuse we can to justify taking a guy before we should.

He’ll be picked somewhere between 8 and 12 where he belongs and the teams that pass on him will go along just fine without an overpriced Safety on their roster. The team that takes him in a position that doesn’t cripple them financially will have a nice little player. But no Safety is going to turn his team around on his own.

Behind every good secondary is a good pass rush. Just ask Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed.

by ChiefDJ on Mar 21, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions

The positional issue is extremely overstated

Some positions can have bigger impacts on the field than others, but then, some players can have bigger impact at the so-called lesser positions than others at the more premium positions. Berry is one such player, IMO, as would be McClain.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 21, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions

You are welcome to your opinion

But people that say the positional issue is overstated are usually people who have a mancrush on someone that isn’t worth it.

Even without a salary cap, each team only has a certain amount of money to work with and the Chiefs especially being a small market team in the midst of several bad years. Again, even though its not YOUR money, its still real dollars. Throwing it around like it was monopoly money is a good way to see this team stay bad for the next decade.

The whole premise of the argument that Berry, as a rookie, is worth more than any Safety has ever made is that he will be a “playmaker” on par with Polamalu and Reed. But the odds are overwhelmingly leaning towards that NOT being the case. Those guys are a rare breed.

Throwing #5 money at an unproven rookie Safety is an even bigger waste than grossly overpaying free agents. At least with the free agents you know they can play in the NFL. Nobody can say that of Berry, he’s never stepped on an NFL field in his life.

Safety simply does not require the freakish athleticism that the #5 overall pick salary demands. It is a waste to use it on a Safety. What happens when you throw Berry more money than any Safety has ever made and he turns out to be average, like say, a Jarred Page who we got for a 7th round pick? At worst, what happens if he is a total bust? How much farther does that put your team behind when you are throwing money at a position that doesn’t require it and he busts completely?

by ChiefDJ on Mar 21, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions

The money's going to be thrown at someone, any way you slice it

The fact is that the idea is that since the money is a foregone conclusion (barring trade), it might as well go to the player of largest impact.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 21, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes, thats why you don't pick a Safety

It isn’t going to make the most impact. That is why Safetys are almost never picked in the top 10.

by ChiefDJ on Mar 21, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions

You're not reading very carefully

Let me try to make it even clearer, and forgive the assumptions. Let’s assume (bear with me) that Eric Berry is a once-in-a-decade talent at safety, the highest-rated LTs remaining are just so-so for first-rounders (Bulaga, Davis, Williams), and the defensive tackles/ends don’t fit the scheme or would be redundant if we’re banking on Jackson and Dorsey (Suh, McCoy). Which player would have the most impact: the once-in-a-decade safety, the so-so offensive tackle, or the defensive linemen who don’t even fit the scheme unless they move out to 5-tech end behind Jackson and Dorsey? I think the answer’s glaringly obvious.

As for impact, I think we can all agree that a 5-tech end doesn’t make the most impact, yet an unaccomplished one who had trouble getting pressure in college went #3 overall to KC last year.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 22, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed 100% burntorangehorn

9 out of 10 times I’d be for taking the offensive tackle, but I just dont see any in this year’s class that jump out at me. I highly doubt any one of them will become a Pro-Bowl left tackle in the next decade. I’m not fully convinced Berry will be in Reed & Polamalu territory either, but I feel more confident in him becoming at top 5 safety than I do any of the offensive tackles every becoming more than just average to above-average left tackles.

And even Berry turns out to be a bust, it’ll take 4-5 years to realize that he never lived up to the hype and the money. If a left tackle busts or even has a difficult time adjusting to the NFL, we’ll all know immediately because our QB will be the guy exiting Arrowhead in an ambulance.

The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 21, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Pay the man!

With the 5th pick in the 2010 draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Eric Berry of Tennessee!

by dahd11 on Mar 21, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions

He will be be the best player in many peoples eyes, but it doesn’t mean he’s the best pick for this team. Besides, Earl Thomas is better.

Hi. My big board for KC's first rounder is:
1. Russell Okung, OT
2. Rolondo McClain, ILB
3. Brian Bulaga, OT
4. Dan Williams, NT
5. Earl Thomas, S
Bye.

by Regime on Mar 21, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions

Bottom Line

were not gonna get good value for any position at #5….So until the NFL goes to a slotted system like the NBA…….the top 10 picks are gonna keep getting crazier and crazier

by cassel4prez on Mar 21, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions

uhhhhh yeah

cause were so pressed for money

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by greinke23 on Mar 21, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions

To be clear...

Eric Berry is def. better than
Earl Thomas, in my opinion.
Actually, now that I’ve gone back and looked at it –
I recant what I said in an earlier post; and would NOT take Earl Thomas at 5 IF Berry was gone (in a Trade Down, MAYBE).

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by chiefsfan62 on Mar 21, 2010 10:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

Thomas is good enough to be worth it

And due to the fact that the size difference isn’t nearly as big as once thought, Thomas is very close to Berry in value.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 22, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions

I dont see how people can say these things

Any player picked at 5, wether it be McClain, Okung, Williams, etc, will be a top 5 paid guy at their position. Also, a safety of Berry’s caliber is worth every penny. He is a top 3 player in the draft! The value of getting him at 5 is tremendous. He can play 5 positions in the secodary! Drafting Berry means you get a bal hawking safety who can also play in the box, play the slot, defend the tight end, and blitz…come on people. Its def worth it

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 21, 2010 10:23 PM CDT reply actions

Whoeverver it is

What we need is someone, a player, who will become an immediate impact and be starter on day 1 and be a big time, I mean huge, impact playmaking safety. Not no OT who will be sort of a waste just adding depth and not helping to the big picture. We need a playmaker on this team outside of JC. JC himself won’t just cut it. Time to get the playmaker that matches Pioli’s right 53 model on the chiefs roster

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by KC Nate on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions

I agree with DJ

A Safety is not he plymaker you all make him out to be. Now if the rest odf the defense sucks the Safety looks great.

Deron Cherry, was great the rest of the Defense sucked.
When we had great Linebackers who were the safeties? I give you Thomas who was the other?
When Derrick Thomas was tearing it up. Who were the safeties?
Who was it? and when the D-line and Linebackers were doing their jobs? Who cared?

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 21, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions

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I don’tthink you guessed the safeties on a 13-3 season. I didn’t :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 21, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions

as much as i love them that group of players didnt get us to where we needed to be

look a few recent super bowl champions who had these safeties:
darren sharper
troy palamalu
ed reed
bob sanders
rodney harrison

all play making safeties

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Mar 22, 2010 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Jerome Woods and Reggie Tongue

Although Berry is like a hybrid of the positive qualities of Woods and Tongue. Woods had nice coverage skills and a good head for keeping on the ball, and although not flashy, he was extremely reliable. Tongue was Taylor Mays without as much physical talent: he always went for the big play, whether the big hit, big interception, or biting on the play action for what he thought was an easy TFL, so any play involving him was probably going to be a big one either for or against the Chiefs.

There are different kinds of safeties, and different levels of talent at safety. Derrick Thomas was an immensely talented linebacker, while Woods and Tongue were just solid safeties. Given an immensely talented safety, you’ll see the difference, as with Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, etc.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 22, 2010 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions