We need Dez
by vajazz24 on Mar 2, 2010 4:05 AM CST
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We need the Dez. We need the Dez like Dennis Rodman needs weird. We need someone with arrogant talent. Talent that automatically make defenses respect him. We saw just little bit of it with Jamaal Charles. With our underwhelming draft last year, you would think adding someone who can stretch the field and stop eight in the box defenses, something a left tackle can not do, would be enticing. By drafting a LT at this juncture would say Albert can’t play the position, which is not true. Drafting a LT would be a luxury pick, not a need pick which would set us back in our rebuilding. Only playoffs teams can use picks as a luxury. Bryant would bring excitement and energize the fans. And hopefully with the resigning of Chris Chambers to tutor him and DBowe, who would make an excellent 2, could possibly give KC its best young receiving corp ever. I’m really digging all the rumors about Bryant’s character. Its just a sure fire sign that this young man is special. I reminisce, Warren Sapp, he failed a drug test in the weeks leading up to the draft(future hall guy), Randy Moss, his attitude is bad man, he is a bad boy, bad chemistry(I believe all-pro?) hmm! Percy Harvin(see Sapp). Larry Johnson is a malcontent baby, oh! damn my bad. Look people makes mistake, and young Mr. Bryant freaked in the stare of an NCAA investigation, so do grown men. Give the kid a break, than watch him break free from defenders. Oh, and he plays on the special teams. Whether folks agree if receiver is a need position, and I do. Is debatable. His talent and ability as a punt returner actually makes him two picks in one. We need a punt returner. Charles not having to run against eight in the box. Dez Bryant brings a lot of football intangibles with him. Only Eric Berry in this draft can come close to the talent level at multiple positions like Bryant, and I would not be mad with that pick either. But not a LT. He is a threat with ball in his hands. Our club for once need to go for the splashy on the offensive side of the ball. I’m sorry I could just be drunk from all those HIGHLIGHTS of watching defenders chase Charles. He will have defenses geared towards him now. And putting that nasty eight out there and Charles will take a beating. All running backs do. So stop dreaming. Now your LT can opens holes on the line of scrimmage, but Bryant will open up lanes, big ones. Because safeties would be scared straight into the defensive back fields where they belong. But for all of our sanity, I’m hopeful of a draft of talented players and not system players. Because as we all should know, talented players makes any system look good.
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I sure don't think so
Why would that be a bad thing? Crabtree’s a great receiver and a great talent.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
Crabtree is going to be a Stud in the NFl
if you can get a Crabtree you get him
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by CapitolLions on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
i was one of the Crabtree supporters prior to last years draft
and i still think to this day he would have been a better pick for the Chiefs. He would have played they full season with KC because he would have got his top pick money so no distractions like in SF
Fully agreed
I don’t see why people dump on Crabtree. Do people still give a crap about Bryant McKinnie’s holdout, which lasted even longer? Or any of the others that lasted longer than Crabtree’s? It’s overblown.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
crabtree would have been in camp day 1 if he was picked by the chiefs last year
and he would have given Cassel a very reliable target to throw at…he did well in SF last year in the games he played.
don’t think Dez Bryant should be the 1st pick this year though with all the talent in this draft
and 2 years later when his contract still had 3 years to go on it...
…he would be sitting ont he sidelines refusing to report until he got a contract negotiation and a new deal.
he’s a ‘me first’ premadonna. I’d pass on him at 1/2 the price. I want team players.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
You want a team player?
Can I assume that you were hoping KC would get rid of Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez, Will Shields, Jared Allen, and all the other guys who have held out with time left on their contracts?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
Not even remotely the same thing
Crabtree and his agent were both crybaby idiots that put themselves up on a pedestal above everyone around them : His agent for promising to ‘break the slotting system’ and Crabtree for having the arrogant attitude that he already deserved more than everybody else.
Tony Gonzalez, Priest Holmes, and Will Shieds were the epitome of ‘team players’. They didnt walk in the door on day one demanding everything. Those guys put in more work, more filmstudy, more reps, more practive time, and more damn heart and soul into the team than the team could have ever asked. They proved their worth and backed it up by keeping their noses clean off the field and never embarrasing the team. The ‘business dealings’ of the NFL are a seperate issue from a players attitude, work effort, and ego.
Crabtree decided (never having taken a snap in the NFL) that he was the best damn thing since sliced bread. He hired an agent that promised to make him the richest paid receiver in the draft, and he REFUSED to back down or wake up to reality and fire his shitty agent when everything went south. His ego was SO big that he wasted the entire offseason and 1/2 the season due completely to his ‘me first’ attitude.
Crabtree’s agent unzipped his fly and took out his johnson and tole Crabtree : You see this club? I don’t care if you wern’t taken in the top 5. I don’t care if some other receiver was. I don’t care about the ‘slotted payscale’ system that has been honored year after year in the NFL Draft says oterwise. YOU are going to get top 5 money and be the highest paid receiver in the draft reguardless of what actually happened. I’m going to tag this monster of a club and swing it around until I break the slotted system. All you need to do is ignore everything, refuse to sign anything, and sit on your ass and eat pizza. Sit back and let me show you how this shit is done.
Crabtree’s ego and his poor work ethic just sat around and let it happen. After all, Michael KNEW he was the best receiver in the draft, and he told anyone that would listen that he was. He wasted the time of his team, teammates, and coaches and completely ignored his responcibility as a player to work out, learn, and be ready to be the best teammate he could be. All because he decided (having never played even ONE snap in the NFL) that he DESERVED to break the system. He was in the RIGHT to demand money that his draft position did not warrent. He BELONGED in the top 5, and dammit he was going to get paid that way no matter what!
First, you put in the work. You let your work ethic, and your actions on the field and in the locker room PROVE that you’re the hardest working guy on the team.
Second, you study and you watch film, and you study some more. You SHOW the coaces through action and intelligenge that you are willing to do whatever it takes to be great.
Third, you produce on the field on game day. You prove that you have the skills, smarts, and ability to make a difference for the team.
Fourth, you prove through your actions in the locker room and off the field that you would walk across a fire for your team, that you will keep your nose clean, and they you will be the first one in the door and the last one to leave if that’s what it takes to win.
THEN, and only then….. have you earned the right to DEMAND respect (in the form of $$$ and extentions) from your ball club. It’s not pay me now and maybe I’ll get around to busting my but enough to actually be worth it. You don’t get to blow up the sloting system on a whim just because you have a chip the size of Texas on your shoulder. If you want respect from the team, you have to prove your worthy of respect.
Don’t even try to compare TG, Preist, and Shields with Crabtree. That’s a flat out insult. Crabtree has proven NOTHING, except that he is a ‘me first’ ego driven player that is willing for ‘opt out’ of the work a rookie NEEDS to put in to successful. And he did it all while looking smuggly into a camera and telling us all he was worth it.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Oh..as a side note
After all the BS and missing out on all the offseason, training camp, and 1/2 the season…He ended up signing a contract that………………….wait for it
Fell Exactly into the slot of — Guy Beofore Crabtree > Crabtree > Guy After Crabtree, and normal structure in terms of years on the contract.
All that BS, and he ended up with what was being offered all along + some menial horseshit tossed in to let him save face.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
In the give-and-take, there will always be guys like that.
I agree with the general distaste for divas, but I also agree with a guy trying to make the best deal for himself that he possibly can. There are too many ex-players undercompensated for what the game took out of ‘em for me to feel too sorry for organizations or get too worked up against a player who takes a confrontational stance in negotiations, or acts like he’s all that.
Doesn’t mean I’d want him on MY team, but I surely respect his asshole-ness.
You said
Only playoffs teams can use picks as a luxury
Picking Dez with our 1st would would be a waste because its not our biggest need, in your case it would be considered a luxury pick and only playoff teams can use picks as a luxury. Which we neither, so we can’t treat them as so. Sorry, no Dez Bryant. Not like we need him or would get him anyway, too many issues that Chiefs fans and Pioli & Co. will NOT deal with.
Toby Gerhart: The Thunder to Jamaal Charles' Lightning.
True and Valuable Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
(which for the most part we are currently loosing).
This team is more likely to be competitive by eking out the blue-collar wins. Add WRs after the overall talent level
is raised. There are enough teams weak at corner to get to .500 with a lunchbucket WR corps and solid line play. Secure that line play and the then the sky’s the limit on skill positions…
Use paragraphs. That's way too long of a run on to read all jammed up like that.
Do some breaks and use separate paragraphs. That’s a hard read like that. Dez is a problem child. All I needed to hear was that he actually has shown up for games late. He’s in college and he’s already a diva crybaby. Screw him. Mike Williams is your trouble guy you take a risk on. He’s more talented that Dez anyway. He has had a lot of trouble to work thru. His off field issues have hurt him. But if you take a risky guy, he’s the one.
how DARE you tell others how to write! you want paragraphs? I'll SHOW you paragaphs ...
oh yes I will, I'll show you paragraphs that will make your eyes bleen and your brain turn to mush, and if that's not enough, I'll do more and more and more until they're coming to take you away, ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Amen Kray
I had to stop reading after the first sentence.
I’ll register firescottpioli.com if we pick this guy with Eric Berry or still on the board.
Predictions:
This year will be better
jcom ... I am NOT a fan of Berry (and actually hoping he goes to Tampa Bay just to end the speculation ...
… BUT …
if Pioli takes Bryant AT ALL then I guarantee you I’ll be the FIRST to sign up on firescottpioli.com
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
on Berry: I just think we have OTHER needs that should be addressed at #5
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I normally wouldnt want a safety 5th overall
but in this year’s class, the only 3 guys I feel who would be sure-fire top 5 talents in any draft are Bradford, Suh and Berry…well we already have a QB to build around and I highly doubt Suh drops to 5. I’m surprised I’m even saying this because it goes against what I normally want, but I think Berry has to be the pick. I’d normally like to save safety for the 2nd-3rd round, but Berry is in a class of his own. And heck, we can even grab another safety and repeat the 1996 draft (or last year with the top two picks being DE’s).
Suh can in fact play nose tackle in the NFL at a high level.
Terrence Cody, despite his large size, will get pushed around in the NFL.
Rolando McClain is a good player, but not top 5 worthy and wont make a Pro-Bowl.
USC OT Charles Brown will be the best OT from the 2010 class.
agreed. If he gets that guy I'm going to take back all the good things I've said about him
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by krayfish on Mar 2, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Teams with a terrible defense and a mediocre O-line...
do not select WRs in the first round…unless that team is Oakland.
We need to keep Cassel upright and decrease the offensive output of our opponents. WRs do not do either of those things.
We led the league in dropped passes last year. Remember?
I would call WR a pretty big need.
More catches being caught leads to sustained drives and more points on the board. Keeping other teams offense off of the field DOES decrease the offensive output of our opponents. I would also argue that a beastly-WR like Dez Bryant will help keep Cassel upright by throwing slants etc.
I am not arguing that WR is not a need
Just not a top 5 need. If we draft Dez and resign Chambers that will create a bit of a logjam at WR. Would it be nice to have 3 above average Wrs? absolutely but only if we have average to above average talent at all other positions. Unfortunately we have too many positions with below average talent at best if not just plain bad talent.
I personally hope Tate slips to round 2, if not go for Shipley, or hell, pick up Dez Briscoe with a rd. 3 or 4 pick.
A number 5 overall pick is a luxury pick in itself.
That’s the real problem with picking in the top 5. A lot of teams would automatically rule out drafting a certain position in the top 5 because of the guarenteed money that is attached to the pick. Typically you can get the best player at his position within the top 5, and more so you should get the type of talent that is not available later in the draft. I think that Dez Bryant is that caliber of player and would transform our offense.
disagree brown. fairmont is correct. It's not the same priority level as a stout defense
and a solid o line. It will do no good to get Larry Fitzgerald in red and gold if Cassel is laying down during the game. Nor will it help if we can’t stop the other team from outscoring us like always happens in the 4th quarter to us.
Bryant is a mess. No way. He disrespects the integrity of the game by showing up late for games. That’s not a team player. That’s a selfish prick. He can go somewhere else. He won’t be here trust me.
Don't take this the wrong way but...
Your reasoning doesnt make sense. 5 picks to get the best player at his position for a sport with 22 players on the field at one time? I understand that there are multiple LBs, DBs, WRs etc. But for a team that has huge needs everywhere (C,G, T, ILB, OLB, DT, S and TE all rank higher than WR) to pick up a WR that early, especially in a draft that will have very good recievers sliding to the 2nd and 3rd, is just crazy.
especially since there are so many talented receivers up for grabs at the draft and
thru FA. good point fairmont!
It's not just that, but it's the ball being forced out on almost EVERY passing play that is the biggest problem.
We scrutinize the WRs for short-arming passes, or Cassel for a slow wind-up, when the fact was that there was no protection and neither QB nor WRs had the opportunity to get the ball out when they expected or get the ball in when they expected.
I keep saying this, but I’ll say it again. The KC O-Line had some success (against banged-up or otherwise flummoxed defenses) down the stretch protecting Cassel, and you started seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for the QB-WR timing and you could see that there IS potential in the current group, and likely improvement down the road for this group and whoEVER the coaches get in there, as long as they keep rollin’ the talent in and OUT of the roster, howEVER they are acquired.
Myself, I’m looking for bona fide speed guys to be thrown into the mix with Lawrence, and a continuation of the late-round/UDFA roster-churning types of guys, who have heart, and might just catch on. Say what you will about Haley, but just from what I saw happen this year, with the EXIT of the project players who simply didn’t have it, and an overall improvement, again, just workin’ the waiver wire. They weren’t afraid to bring people in and they weren’t reluctant to show ‘em the door. To raise this team up, that’s just the sort of thing the Chiefs need to do, with a very SMALL number of the BEST damn picks they can make in the trenches and at DB, because the WR pool is so much deeper in guys who can cause problems for all but the very best DBs out there, and even the BEST secondaries are liable to give up the 1-on-1 mismatch by the 3rd or 4th receiver…
We need Dez
no we dont
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
gimme
Golden Tate in the Second. Forget Dez bryant. Picking him at five is something the Lions would do. Not the NEW Chiefs. O-Line or defense at 5 is not a “luxury” pick, picking a receiver at 5 is.
Whoa Whoa Whoa
Just because we have drafted 10 WRs in 6 years and only one is any good means NOTHING!
NOTHING I SAY!!!!
Nothing good anyway
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by CapitolLions on Mar 3, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
we not only do not NEED Bryant, we don not WANT Bryant ... stop dreaming
because really, vajazz, you should know …
talented players makes any system look good
… you should know that you have it backwards … you see, the truth is that coaches who run a good system can make any player look talented
Bryant looks like the second coming of 2.7 and nobody here wants that … he and Al Davis can have each other
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by upamtn on Mar 2, 2010 8:46 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
rec'd up's!! As always the voice of reason my friend. Thank you for affirming that.
Dez can go to Oakland. then they can have BM ver 2.0
thank you, kray! wow, imagine that ... me ... the voice or REASON
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WHAT!?
you mean to tell me that every Texas Tech QB from the last decade wasnt a superstar in the NFL? I’m shocked!
Suh can in fact play nose tackle in the NFL at a high level.
Terrence Cody, despite his large size, will get pushed around in the NFL.
Rolando McClain is a good player, but not top 5 worthy and wont make a Pro-Bowl.
USC OT Charles Brown will be the best OT from the 2010 class.
"Bryant looks like the second coming of 2.7 and nobody here wants that "
What are you basing that on? And before we all take another dump on LJ lets remember he is our #2 alltime rushing leader. Dude had a lot of good years in KC.
according to all reports, bryant missed or was late for meetings, practices and yes, late for games
… he lied to investigators and was ultimately suspended …
now, does THAT sound like someone YOU’D want on your team? the guy is anything BUT a “good teammate” … he’s a “me first and to hell with everyone else” person, just like 2.7 was … that’s what I’m basing it on …
The NCAA suspended Bryant not for meeting with Sanders, but for lying to an investigator who questioned him about it. But Bryant doesn’t sound like he believes that.
“I lied, which everybody knows that I lied …
as for his behavior at Oklahoma, read the following excerpt from a recent Jason Cole column (the link to the full story is below)
Three sources with direct knowledge of Bryant from his days in college … said Bryant’s antics were "consistently irresponsible."
A … source said Bryant’s reputation was earned because he was consistently late to team activities. That included showing up late for games
"We’re not just talking about being a little late for warmups, but like being late for the actual game," a source said with a chuckle. "When you start to hear some of the stories of there, you go, ‘He did what?’ "
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-bryantrisk022810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
and THAT’S the type of person/player you think we want or need? I think not …
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Did you read Bob Gretz' article from today?
If Jason Cole is reporting from Indianapolis then it can reasonably be concluded that his “sources” are NFL personnel men who have something to gain by discrediting a player that they may want to fall to their pick.
So your saying that there's a conspiracy out there. And the NFL commentators are lying about Dez.
your saying he never lied and got suspended. He did play the entire season even after the alleged Deion Sanders event and we all just missed him in uniform? Got it. And then I guess it’s safe to say that they are smearing his name all over the news for all those missed meetings and coming late to games is a big scandalous lie. A lie which neither he nor his agent nor any of his college coaches, nor any of his former college teammates have come forward to contest. Got it again.
Allright that should do it. “NURSE, UP RAY BROWN’S MEDS PLEASE”.
haha
It’s the liberal media!
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 2, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
kray, the EMT team is on the way ...
"NURSE, UP RAY BROWN’S MEDS PLEASE"
… and how many milliliters of Bryant Koolaid for the transfusion, doctor kray?
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
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start with one packed of cherry flavor for the next 6 hours, then take a stool sample
if that tastes bitter, double the dose!
Read carefully
I didn’t say anything about the suspension.
What meetings did he miss? I’m sure his coach would have suspended him or not started him if that was the case. One guy writes an article from the combine with un-named sources and we just accept it as fact?
For a school with a $120M donor
I’m sure “special rules” apply to special people. I work in college athletics, and I see it even at the small I-AA level so I can only imagine how it works at a Big-12 school. I regret having to say this, but I think that’s just the nature of this business.
I could go on either side of the fence as for whether Dez is responsible or not, and truthfully, I dont care either way. I’m just saying it wouldnt surprise me one bit.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
as a matter of fact, we DID have a bad system last year ...
… one that was installed barely 2 weeks before the first game of the season when Haley fired Gailey as OC … that meant a new playbook and new plays, with new terminology, new blocking schemes and assignments, new … everything
ever seen an NFL playbook? imagine something as think as a typical phonebook …
now, add in a RB who won’t block, an OLine in disrepair, a new QB to the team, an OC who doubles as HC and so can’t spend as much time on Offense as he should … you get the idea
none of which means we should have Dez Bryant for any reason whatsoever … the guy is bad news
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Right
We had a bad/new system AND bad players. You would think that we will have a better system, or at least more time with the same system so the next logical step would be to get better players.
My opinion is that Dez Bryant is a big time playmaker.
he may very well be a big time playmaker ...
… but he’s still not a player I’d want on my team or associated with my hometown
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Can you explain how he looks like the second coming of 2.7?
They’re nothing alike, personalitywise.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
cares about himself 1st, 2nd and 3rd ... everyone else a distant 10th, maybe ... cares not for his team or teammates, willing to lie if and when it suits him, or tell a PARTIAL truth while trying to weasel out of responsibility ...
LJ was a sour, bitter guy … Bryant smiles a lot and has charm … but both are willing to lie, cheat and stab you in the back for whatever THEY want, when THEY want it
believe what you want to believe … I believe Cole’s report and the three sources … especially following the NCAA charges, it speaks volumes about the guy, and NONE of it is good
end of discussion
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Somewhere ther was something written about whoever drafts Bryant needs to...
hire another person to wake him up to go to class, practice and even games. They said he was late for everything. Not a Pioli kind of guy.
We need Dez
Dez Bryant is not a problem child. Wonder where negative reports come from anyway. Dez would have more of an positive impact on our team than Tyson Jackson and Glen Dorsey combined. As far not being a Pioli, might be a good thing, based on his performance at last year draft.
Most WO are prima donnas that is not new.
Va4Luv606
Last year's receiving yardage leaders...
1. Andre Johnson
2. Wes Welker
3. Miles Austin
4. Sidney Rice
5. Reggie Wayne
7. Santonio Holmes
8. Steve Smith (Giants)
13. Roddy White
15. Greg Jennings
17. Larry Fitzgerald
18. Marquest Colston
19. Donald Driver
22. Derrick Mason
24. Calvin Johnson
26. Brent Celek
28. T.J. Houshmandzadeh
29. Santana Moss
31. Mike Sims-Walker
32. Tony Gonzalez
Where are the “prima donnas” in this group?
Suh can in fact play nose tackle in the NFL at a high level.
Terrence Cody, despite his large size, will get pushed around in the NFL.
Rolando McClain is a good player, but not top 5 worthy and wont make a Pro-Bowl.
USC OT Charles Brown will be the best OT from the 2010 class.
Lots of them
Andre Johnson, Holmes, and Moss in particular.
Regardless, that’s not the point. WRs have a pretty high rate of that type of behavior. Owens, Key, Chad ___________. Randy Moss…
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, WRs sure do
but there are still very productive ones who come without the baggage. That list was meant to show that. I dont think Andre Johnson, Santonio Holmes or Santana Moss fall into the same category as T.O., Ocho Cinco, Randy Moss, Brandon Marshall or the Panther’s Steve Smith.
Suh can in fact play nose tackle in the NFL at a high level.
Terrence Cody, despite his large size, will get pushed around in the NFL.
Rolando McClain is a good player, but not top 5 worthy and wont make a Pro-Bowl.
USC OT Charles Brown will be the best OT from the 2010 class.
Holmes and Johnson definitely do
Andre’s had a lot of blowups, some of them pretty public (one during a game, in fact). Holmes has been a bling-bling thug. He sold drugs in high school, has had multiple domestic violence arrests, and at least one drug arrest since coming into the NFL. Those aren’t the prima donna things so much as huge character concerns, I guess.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Andre Johnson?
I think you guys are confusing him with another receiver? Andre is about as boring as WRs come.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 2, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Talking about the guy who plays for Houston, out of "The U"
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Andre Johnson
I’ve never heard anything bad about Johnson’s character or him blowing up. Holmes was busted for the green drug…which most would argue is a joke that it is even a problem.
by groundedchevy on Mar 2, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I mentioned the drug thing for Holmes, plus a few of his other issues
He’s had problems, among them multiple domestic abuse arrests and having sold drugs.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Then find evidence that
Johnson has had blow ups or any negative about his character. I think you’re pulling at straws to try to help your argument. I don’t understand why the chiefs need a big time WR. You would think that you would try to emulate the last time the chiefs had one of the top offenses: an above average QB behind a great O-line. Who were the starting WRs that Green had: Kennison and Samie Parker. I think the receivers the Chiefs have right now far better than those guys.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 2, 2010 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think you’re pulling at straws to try to help your argument.
What argument? I haven’t argued in support of drafting Dez Bryant. Is that what you think I’m doing?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I've never heard anything negative about Andre Johnson
You assume that because he’s good hes a prima donna, but from every account (other than yours) he a team player and a good guy.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 2, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I distinctly remember watching at least one game when he was blowing up on the sideline
Against a couple of teammates. No fists or anything, but he came off rather badly. But you’re right that this doesn’t likely rise to the level of a prima donna label.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
what are you saying? That if you were the GM your goal would be find
as many mediocre receivers as possible to play for the Cheifs? Big time play makers make big time plays and big time plays win big time games. E I E I O! So there.
Andre Johnson has been the exception
All i’ve ever heard about the guy is he is a model citizen and teammate. Is there any evidence that he has caused anyone issues?
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
by BJ Kissel on Mar 2, 2010 2:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
here's your source for "negative reports" ... a very respected journalist, Jason Cole
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-bryantrisk022810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
… and from those reports, Bryant would have a hugely negative impact on pretty much ANY team he was with …
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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It cites an unnamed source who is concerned with Bryant
I don’t think what’s described there can be taken without the proper grain of salt, though.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
actually it cites 2 or 3 different sources ... and Jason Cole doesn't put out anything w/o good sources and research
Cole (and Charles Robinson) have done some excellent in-depth reporting on such luminaries as a Heisman Trophy winner from SoCal who just HAPPENED to have his parents living in a FREEBIE house … you might remember the guy’s name: Bush … Reggie Bush
that story was covered IN DEPTH by Robinson and Cole, and they did a LOT of research on it … so don’t be so casually dismissive of what Cole writes …
… and pepper
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Three unnamed sources
and we have no idea whether or not they are associated with the OSU program, or cover OSU football. Some might refer to the unnamed sources as cowards. If you are going to make an allegation at least come forward with your name. Cole doesn’t even bother, or is just too lazy to speak with anyone at OSU to substantiate his allegations. Of course they would have sided with Dez, but then the reader could decide who to believe. Cole, nor his sources provide us with the game Dez was late getting to. This is either by ignorance or laziness so that tells me it didn’t happen since that info could have been easily provided. Dez never committed any violation of NCAA rules and this is just a sleazy story designed to get attention during the NFL’s most boring period.
He did commit one violation: he lied to investigators when he panicked
Here’s the problem, though: they questioned him without a lawyer present. While that is not against the law, since NCAA investigators actually have no legal/police authority, it is definitely shady to interrogate a possible culprit without giving him the opportunity to have legal representation.
When Dez quickly realized after the lie that he shouldn’t have lied, he got an attorney, solicited a second meeting with the investigators, and told the truth. But of course the NCAA stupidly suspended him anyway.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
chief66 ... yeah, I guess you're right ... Dez Bryant is totally innocent of any and all things ever said about him ...
… and the NCAA had no business getting into his “alleged” violations … and everyone at San Quentin is also innocent of any and all crimes, after all … we ALL know that prosecutors use UN-NAMED sources in COURT so those guys HAVE to be innocent, just like Bryant who is such a stand-up guy, right?
and Watergate never REALLY happened, I mean after all, Woodward and Bernstein were relying on an UN-NAMED SOURCE and were too COWARDLY to NAME their source (Deep Throat) so yeah, that never REALLY happened and Nixon was NOT a crook …
look, just because Cole didn’t NAME his sources doesn’t mean they aren’t knowledgable and accurate … but yanno, go ahead and believe what you want to believe … oh, and I have some GREAT land to sell you, if you’re interested
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hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
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No one made that stuff up. If they did he would have heard it too. It was all over the NFL Network. So, no way. If it wasn’t true, he would have come forward and addressed it publicly.
Plus anyone that is a self proclaimed “great guy”, never is!
yeah, what kray said ... double!
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
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There are other sources from people
much closer to OK State that refute these allegations. Most of those around him say he is a good kid, but is uncomfortable dealing with authority figures. There was no NCAA violation. Bryant lied to investigators and that was a mistake, but lots of kids lie to authorities so who cares. The punishment simply didn’t fit the crime in this instance. Bryant will be a solid player in the NFL and is better than any of our current slow, slippery hand and under-achieving WR’s.
by chief66 on Mar 2, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He's also a kid who came from an extremely difficult upbringing
That’s not really an excuse, but an explanation of the lie and such. Lots of people’s, let alone kids’, first instinct would be to try and minimize damage with a little lie. I doubt any of us hasn’t done that at some point. Dez just happened to get busted for it. I don’t want KC to draft him in the first round, because I think there are bigger problems to address, but I do think he’s a player worth taking in the top 20.
Longhorns fans aren’t really all that fond of Okie Lite players, but here’s a piece one of our main guys over at Burnt Orange Nation (SBN for Univ. of Texas) did from the combine, the second half of which would be of interest to anyone interested in reading a little about Bryant’s appearance at the combine:
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2010/3/2/1331928/notes-from-the-2010-nfl-combine#storyjump
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I did read the article
and it was very good especially coming from the opposition. I am surrounded by OSU alumni and many of them have met and love Bryant. Most of his short-comings can be corrected since they are minor.
You are right there are many needs from this team and I have a variety of reasons for wanting Bryant. Just one is the revolving door on WR and the fact they can’t catch. I believe Bryant could cure that and allow the team to close at least one area of need and focus on other areas.
Now you Longhorns should love Okie lite and OU players since most of them come from TX anyway. lol. Or are they considered traitors and subject to ridicule?
The ones who play for OU are traitors, and are branded with "PNG"
(persona non grata)
The ones who go to Okie Lite, or “Diet Oke,” are a little weird, but generally OK. Heck, although I’m a Horns fan, I grew up in Kansas except for summer/winter breaks, and I strongly considered OSU when I wasn’t offered a track scholly to Texas (injury concerns, and not African). Ended up staying in state though.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 2, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
different posting philosophies
I try to figure out what we might do, some think they know what we should do
There is nothing in pioli’s history that says he would take a wr, even a very good one when the defensive front 7 was bad, and the ol has some issues
When weis won superbowls, they did by have a hof receiver, and they won
Nt is the unsexy pick I think we’ll take. Until we stop the run, we will never win anything important. And you don’t take a chance with the 4th best nt if its your number one need
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
by BJ Kissel on Mar 2, 2010 12:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You are right
NT, at least according to the experts, is not the deepest position in the draft and if I had to bet I would put my $ on the first pick going to NT whether we are at #5, or trade down. All the commentators support your position that SP builds the trenches first and goes out from there. We all have our personal favorites for that first pick and mine is Bryant for a variety of reasons. Despite the need for a NT we can’t rule out some players with that first pick despite what has happened in the past.
i agree that we cant rule out other picks
But besides the fact that Bryant is a good player. Nothing else points towards us taking the guy
I won’t be mad if we take him. But I would be completely shocked
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
by BJ Kissel on Mar 2, 2010 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
uuuuummm... yeah
I’m gonna go ahead and disagree
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thats it? :)
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
by BJ Kissel on Mar 2, 2010 12:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sadly yes
I will poke my left eyeball out if we draft a WR at #5 with all of the other needs we have.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I'll help you. I can't even download such insanity right now. We are NOT taking a WR that high in the draft.
haley thinks he can turn every receiver into another Fitz. He’ll draft low and cheap and tudor them.
not sure how long Bryant would last with Haley in his grill
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
It's very easy to get carried away with all the "Shiny things"
out there. While some are tempting to take, I don’t think that the Chiefs will bite on several of them in the draft because I believe they are concentrating on building a base for this team to use not only this coming year but one for the future. They should be building it from the lines out. There will be more “shiny things” for us to get in the future.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
I'd like our shiny thing to come from sd or az
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
by BJ Kissel on Mar 2, 2010 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i need a towel
Screw it….I’m at work. i’ll just use a rivers jersey
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
by BJ Kissel on Mar 2, 2010 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did you two just biscuit a Phillip Rivers jersey?
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
Look up 'circle jerk' in the urban dictionary.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
I love the Urban Dictionary. Except that I get nervice looking up anything
to do with “circle jerks” in a place that starts with dic. You see what I mean?
Plenty of WR
in this draft, plenty of a lot of different positions in this draft… But I still say Eric Berry or Haden…
Yup
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
I would compare him to T.O. Chad Johnson, Randy Moss,
and theres probably a few more Im forgetting that our “its about me and not the team”, and how many of them have helped their teams win a superbowl. They are more of a distraction and a headache then they are worth. I mean he didnt even stay at the combine all day because he was injured, give me a break, he wasnt the only one there hurt and I dont think anyone else left early
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