Chances of us taking a Tennessee player not named Eric Berry in round 1?

by Regime on Mar 19, 2010 9:15 PM CDT

Yes, you read that right. I'm talking about Jonathan Crompton, QB from Tennessee.

Haha, just kidding. In all seriousness, the man I'm talking about is:

Dan Williams, DT from Tennessee.

BAMF

All 327 pounds of him. His projected range is about the same spot Tyson Jackson's was last year. Todd Haley does have a thing for Mike Brown, and may think that we will be fine at safety for this year. Romeo Crennel may decide after watching all of our footage, that Derrick Johnson and Demmorio Williams can get the job done. But what about Ron Edwards? His 2009 stats? Just 29 tackles. That's it. We need a guy in here who can get the job done. Shaun Smith? He is a backup, and way to injury-prone to be a starter for us.

Dan Williams has drawn interest from us, by reportedly going out to dinner with Romeo Crennel. Maybe we think he will miraculously fall to the 2nd round? Maybe we might try to trade up since we have the firepower to do it with two 2nd round picks. (Could you imagine? Eric Berry and Dan Williams!!!!) Or maybe we will reach on him. Scott isn't afraid to take some heat for overpaying a mid round player if he thinks its best for the team. Dan Williams holds as much positional value as anyone when talking about our possible first round prospects. Saftey or Nose Tackle? 3-4 Nose tackles are hard to find. They are the anchor of the defense. A solid nose tackle would bring the best out of Dorsey and Jackson. Maximizing their potential. There is a lot less good nose tackles to go around than there is safetys.

Is Dan Williams a Vince Wilfork or Casey Hampton type of player though? Does he have that potential? We will find out on draft day what Pioli thinks.

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Mike Brown

yo good write up but everybody said that he was injury prone too and he was not injured this year at all I don’t think! but I can’t see “the don” passing on berry though

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by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 19, 2010 9:25 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah

I would probably have to agree. I think Dan Williams isn’t out of the equation though. We need a nose tackle. Shaun smith is just a rotational guy in my eyes. Even if you factor out how injury-prone he is. I really wish Dan Williams woul dbe available with our 2nd rounder, but thats not going to happen.

Hi. My big board for KC's first rounder is:
1. Russell Okung, OT
2. Eric Berry, S
3. Rolondo McClain, ILB
4. Brian Bulaga, OT
5. Dan Williams, NT
Bye.

by Regime on Mar 19, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions

brown isnt under contract

And, I haven’t heard a word about KC negotiating w him…

So, until I hear otherwise, there isn’t an established starter at SS

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense

by stagdsp on Mar 19, 2010 9:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

yeah

I know but I was just using him as an example but he wasn’t injured last year though

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by kcchiefsfan515 on Mar 19, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Really?

Who is our option at SS then? Morgan? It better not be McGraw. Anyways, a late round prospect i am HUGE ON is Myrone Rolle, SS.

Hi. My big board for KC's first rounder is:
1. Russell Okung, OT
2. Eric Berry, S
3. Rolondo McClain, ILB
4. Brian Bulaga, OT
5. Dan Williams, NT
Bye.

by Regime on Mar 19, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions

ss

Right now, if brown isn’t back, you are looking at Morgan and Langford (plucked from Phillys PS)

So, yeah… gotta draft one

by stagdsp on Mar 20, 2010 8:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

I wonder what happened to

Londen Fryer…Irving Fryer’s son…the CB/S from either Western or Central Michigan. I really liked him in camp last year and was surprised when he wasnt added to the practice squad. Given his intelligence and genetics, you’d have to think he’d be worth at least another look, right?

The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 20, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I think he was released recently

so probably available

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by kabrink on Mar 20, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Dan "The Man" Williams is the pick "I" would like to see.

I love Berry, dude is a beast! However, we NEED a young NT to fill out our front “3” in the 3-4.

A dominate NT will make EVERYONE else out there look better (Jackson, Dorsey, Verbal, DJ, Hali, Carr, Flowers, etc).

I don’t know if I would pull the trigger on him with the #5 pick, but I think Pioli will. I would like to trade down to the #7 spot, pick up an extra pick, THEN draft Williams.

Keep this in mind, if we do NOT draft Williams he will likely fall to Denver at #11. Do you really want to play against him 2 times every year? I know I don’t!

by DivineGrace on Mar 19, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions

from my eye

He is NOT dominant, so denver can have him

by stagdsp on Mar 19, 2010 9:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

If we do pass on Williams and Denver does pick him up. I hope you are right.

I would also like to say that I like you signature, and I agree with you on all 3 points. :-)

by DivineGrace on Mar 19, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions

+1

Hardly dominant he gets pushed around a hell of alot.

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by GenericBrand on Mar 19, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed

I dont think Dan Williams is any better than Troup or Joseph…all three are strong but raw, so why is one considered top five worthy when the other two are mid-round prospects? Is it just because one played in the SEC?

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 20, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Thats part of it

Williams – dominant at times in one of the best conferences, had good coaching in college, has the perfect body type, can play nose in 3-4 or 4-3, inconsistent, seems to lack motivation to try hard every week

Troup – dominant at times in a lesser conference known for big offenses, hard worker and a leader, good body type for nose, but currently only weighs around 310 and his frame may not be able to support anymore weight without negatively affecting his play

Joseph – very disruptive in a lesser conference, explosive and moves well for his size, too tall(6’6") and long-limbed for the nose, plays too upright and loses leverage, used to be much heavier but a back injury forced him to lose weight to keep playing, some think he should continue shedding weight and play 5-tech DE

by alakan81 on Mar 20, 2010 5:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Answer

Terrence Cody

I know he is about as not wanted here as Berry is wanted.
But which would actually make the Chiefs a Better 3-4 defense?

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Certainly he seems like the only one

That has all the key factors(power, frame and size, hands, dominant play) and is also a hard worker and high character, humble individual. Of course, none of that matters if he can’t stay in shape, so he is a risky pick in his own right.

Cam Thomas has the size, strength, and skillset, but he hasn’t produced on the field as well as his ability would suggest. So are you getting the guy he was at UNC or the guy at the Senior Bowl?

by alakan81 on Mar 20, 2010 7:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Since they put the Senior bowl on NFL Network

Did his team play a 4-3 D and who was he teamed up with?
I know Williams was with Cody.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah it sucks

Letting Denver get anyone,but i think they take McClain at 11 not Williams.

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 20, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions

Chances we don't get Berry in the 1st round seem very likely...

but i will say that the chances of us getting an o-lineman 1st round seem slim. Id love for everyone’s sake (who is a fan of Berry) that we get Berry, but it just seems so unlikely to me.

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by NJChieffan16 on Mar 19, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions

pros and cons

i like Dan Williams but is he all that. Before last college season he was not thought of as a first round talent until he got some professional coaching (Monte Kiffen). Okay so this puts him ahead of the 2-3 mythical curve before somebody becomes a useful pro and he should be able to step right in and get valuable playing time. Thats should put him on the top of our list but with our new depth at nose tackle do we take somebody with more potential? I’m a Linvale Joseph fan myself but he is a project. Having said all this I’m in favor or drafting more playmakers such as Berry, he also had the benefit of playing under Kiffen and getting a NT later and coaching them up.

by JS Wings on Mar 19, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions

Dan Williams is nowhere close to the dominant player we need at NT...I'm not sure he will ever fit that description.

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 10:37 PM CDT reply actions

A BUST at the 5th pick

let him go at 20 or so and to a 4-3 D and he will be really good

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 10:48 PM CDT reply actions

what does recs mean? Like it says 12 comments and 3 recs.

Hi. My big board for KC's first rounder is:
1. Russell Okung, OT
2. Eric Berry, S
3. Rolondo McClain, ILB
4. Brian Bulaga, OT
5. Dan Williams, NT
Bye.

by Regime on Mar 19, 2010 11:03 PM CDT reply actions

when you "rec" a post, you are recommending it for other people to read.

so if a post has a lot of recs, you’ll know its probably something you wanna read.

by Vince D on Mar 20, 2010 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions

I can understand why you think we need a better NT...but this...

But what about Ron Edwards? His 2009 stats? Just 29 tackles. That’s it. We need a guy in here who can get the job done.

Once again tackles is a highly misleading stat. Throw it out the window for interior lineman. For example…accorting to PFF.com everybodys favorite NTVince Wilfork averaged about one more tackle a game than Edwards did…is that the difference between a great NT and a shitty one? 1 tackle a game? I don’t think so. Most of the top NT’s and DT’s are getting less than one tackle per game more than Edwards. According to that site Edwards had more QB hits and QB pressures than Wilfork did. Not saying Wilfork isn’t a much better NT, but for at least that position the stats are almost meaningless.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 11:58 PM CDT reply actions

Im all for 16 more tackles a season from

Our nosetackle. But yeah, I see what your saying. A NT is judged a lot on how much of an impact they have, how they absorb double teams, and how they push the interior lineman back. In other words, they are judged on how well they create opportunities for everyone else.

Hi. My big board for KC's first rounder is:
1. Russell Okung, OT
2. Eric Berry, S
3. Rolondo McClain, ILB
4. Brian Bulaga, OT
5. Dan Williams, NT
Bye.

by Regime on Mar 20, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions

Good point

But your missing the real reason, why Wilfork is a better NT than Edwards. The NT job is the 3-4 is to push the pocket, take up 2 blockers, and force the QB out of the pocket to the Pass rushing OLB’s. IMO the NT in the 3-4 “D” is the most important position, he can make it easier for the other players around him, and even make them better than average.

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 20, 2010 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions

I hear ya

And I agree….I guess my point is the at far as NT’s go…the stats really don’t prove whos a good NT and whos a poor one. Obviously Wilfork is a much better NT than is Edwards…however if one was to go by the stats they would have a hard time pointing out the best NT’s in the league.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Great post Regime!! Gutsy call. That took gonads...

That’s the type of topic where you can get your a** handed to you. You pulled it off nicely.
I think it’s probable. I think its probably they take a NT with the first pick. I dont know who’s better. Cody sure gets rave revues.

But whichever one or whoever is best, I’m pretty sure they’ll consider it strongly. It may be tough to pass up Berry though if he is truly all his billing is.

Rec’d

by krayfish on Mar 20, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions

I wouldnt mind trading a 2nd and 4th or maybe a 5th instead to get him by moving up in the draft to mid to late first

BUT this post assumes ron edwards will be starting. IMO Shaun Smith is a servicable NT look at his stats, under crennel he had a 62 tackle season, meaning he had gotten penetration and made some tackles in the process. Crennel likes him, obvious bc they brought him in and he signed even the cincy wanted him back. So NT is not as glaring of a need as this post has made out. depth =1. Shaun Smith 2. Ron edwards. I can live with that for a season if it means not reaching for a player who got pushed around some at the COLLEGE level. Hes not starter ready yet so dont waste a 5 pick when you could get a starter.

by deflep1691 on Mar 20, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions

I have to agree with several people on here

stagdsp, Steve_Chiefs, GenericBrand with the fact that I’m not a huge fan of WIlliams. During most of his games he was getting pushed around, or not being around the ball at all. He has the size to play but that doesn’t mean he can play the position. Getting Cody either with our first second round pick or maybe trading up to the late first round would be the best option IMO. He has played the 3-4, no NT stays on the field every play.

by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 20, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions

Hmm. See this is perplexing. So many don't like Williams. We can't have another guy getting pushed around here in KC i agree SpecialOps.

Or Spops for short. I am lazy. Good comment.

by krayfish on Mar 20, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I think more of us would like Williams IF we were not picking 5 and or

if there were more options.

by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 20, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Hmm

During most of his games he was getting pushed around, or not being around the ball at all.

Sounds like he would fit in nicely on the Chiefs D line.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions

LOL

What I meant is that his stock has really started to rise but IMO not based on his play during the season. He had a pretty good senior bowl, but again in a 4-3 with Cody nonetheless. He showed flashes in most games, but was not consistent at holding his blocks nor his man.

by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 20, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Yup...

Doesn’t sound like a good option unless Crennel and Pioli see something in the kid they like…but even then no way unless we are able to trade to the bottom half of the round.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Williams is certainly an option

for our first round pick. I really think its either him or McClain. The main thing that sways me away from Williams is that cody will be there at 2a and he nas NT written all over him.

by SillyHatDay on Mar 20, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions

Not so sure if Cody is there at 2a

I dont know for sure…nobody does…but it sounds like he is improving his stock post combine with his weight loss. I could see San Diego taking him.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Rather than nose tackle

I think Dan Williams would fit best as a 3-technique DE in a 34 defense. I dont care how big he is because I dont think he’s strong/forceful/dominant enough to be a NFL nose tackle, and he sure as hell isnt athletic enough to play a 5-technique end position like Tyson Jackson or Richard Seymour.

Not that I’m saying he’s as talented as Haloti Ngata, but I’m using this example: In 2008, the Ravens played Ngata as a 3-tech end instead of the nose, so he basically lined up in the gap between the left tackle and left guard whereas most 34 ends are head up over the left tackle or even outside of them. That’s the “spot” where I think Williams would fit best, which is already occupied by Dorsey.

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 20, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions

Williams wall staying intact if Dan falls to the Vikes?

by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 20, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions

I think that'd be a good fit for him

They did resign Jimmy Kennedy, but he’s more of a pass rushing tackle than a stout run defender, much like Kevin Williams. Dan Williams could be a great replacement for Pat Williams.

by kc_radrh8r on Mar 20, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Someone tell me why Terrence Cody is not being talked about. If he continues to work hard

he seems like he would be the guy to get. They do weighs in at the draft or no? Or close to it at least? Any input from anybody?

by krayfish on Mar 20, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions

College Tape/Combine/Pro Day is usually where weigh ins are done

I personally think if we are going after a NT it will be Cody. His 2 biggest knocks are that his weight may or may not be under control, and that he is not always on the field. He has continued to lose weight, we really do not know where Saban wanted him to play at, 330+ is where Crennel likes his NT’s anyways. Let’s face it, no NT stays on the field all the time, nickel packages usually do not have NTs, he can help stuff the run which we do need help with.

by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 20, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I haven't been a fan since "the picture"

However, as long as Pioli/Haley/Crennel are good with him and think they can motivate him into the shape they want him to be I’d be fine with it. I just fear he’ll be our JaMarcus.

New body. Same soul.

by kabrink on Mar 20, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions