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For the Ship with No Port, No Wind is Favorable

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When it comes to the NFL Draft the wise words of Seneca would seem to apply: "If a man does not know what port he is steering for, no wind is favorable to him.

In other words, the organizations that don't have a plan, a philosophy, and a confidence about who fits their system will flounder and fail.  I have said it before and I will repeat it again.  The successful people in life don't wait for things to happen, they make things happen.

Or from the mouth of an immortal philosopher, they "get-r done"

In the 2009 NFL Draft the Kansas City Chiefs fan witnessed a man who knew the port in which he sailed.  Scott Pioli, after evaluating the talent and considering his beliefs selected Tyson Jackson as the first #1 pick of a new era.

That number one pick spoke volumes about the man and the plan.

That #1 was the revelation that Scott Pioli is not a reactionary GM.  He does not and will not let the winds of uncertainty change his course.  Plan in place.  Player on horizon.  Get your man. 

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That is what I expect from Scott Pioli this year.  If Scott likes Berry, then I expect him to go get Berry.  If it is Bulaga, Okung, Suh, McClain, Williams, or Bryant then I expect them to be in a Chiefs uniform.

I don't expect him to get Williams because the player he liked was gone.  In fact, I demand that he doesn't.

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I want the Pioli that sent a 4th round pick to Oakland for Randy Moss in 2007.  Or the GM that sent a 2nd and a 7th pick to Miami for Wes Welker.  A second round pick to Cincinattii for Corey Dillon.

I want a #1 pick for Dion Branch or a trade of number one picks with the 49thers to  ultimately selected Jerod Mayo.  I want to see a plan being carried out.

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I don't want action for the sake of action.  Kansas City fans have been through that before.  As Seneca replied, "I do not distinguish by the eye, but the mind, which is the proper judge."

Don't give me a Redskins organization that brings in a lot of shinny toys that are good to look at but don't fit together.  Everyone can tell that the Redskins ship in the past has had no port in which to sail.

Give me the man that understands that Jamaal Charles is a great zone read running back and goes out and gets some zone blocking lineman.  That's what I want to see, Mr. Pioli.

But don't think Scott is done with the offensive line, because he is not.  He can't be.

Although Albert made strides last year he has not reached the level of performance that is required of an offensive left tackle.  Pioli must apply Albert's evaluation to his plan and decide whether Albert will be THE man.

If he's not, move him.  If he is, then move on.

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Brian Waters has a couple of good years left.  But we can't sit around and watch as Brian runs out of gas and not have someone to immediately take his place.  Right now the Chiefs don't have that.  What is the plan going to be?

I want to see Pioli with a plan.

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Pioli went out and brought in Casey Wiegmann to help improve the competition at center.  The problem is that Casey does not have many years left.  A replacement center is going to be needed, quick.

What worries me is that the left guard and center positions will have lowering performance potentials each year due to age.  Is there a plan.  Will it become evident after the 2010 draft?

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I presume Ryan Lilja is going to play right guard.  And if that is the case then the Chiefs have found a solid piece that they can rely on for the next few years. The scouting report on Lilja is that he is limited athletically but has good instincts, technique, and knowledge for the position.  He gets good blocking angles and can get to the second level in zone schemes.

Plan in place, man on horizon, got it done.

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O'Callaghan came to the Chiefs in a time of need and did his job.  The question many people are asking is is that good enough going forward?

If Pioli does select a left tackle in the first round the reasons might be as much about O'Callaghan as they are about Albert.  Like Lilja, Albert would probably move to the right side if a left tackle is taken.

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So what is the plan?

Do you think the KC ship is being steered toward a port?

 

 

 

Past Bewsaf posts:

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*We Have Met the Enemy and He is Us

*Historical Draft Reactions of Three Floundering Teams - A Chiefs Perspective

*Should Floundering Teams Shoot the Moon for a Franchise QB?

*Is Taking a QB in Rounds 2-4 the Answer?

*KC Fans Split on Selection of Team's Nerd (satire)

*Doctor Diagnoses Casey Fanz with Bipolar Disorder (satire)

*More Reports Saying Brown to Raiders Deal is Done

*A Chiefs Fan Obituary

*A Chiefs Dear John  (rated R)

*The Kansas City Chiefs are Taking Applications

*A Fans Letter to Clark Hunt (venting humor)

*Once Upon A Time - A Turn Around

*My Multiple Personalitys and Their Letter to Arrowhead Pride (A Shamless Attempt at the Rec.)

*What You Look For in an NFL Offensive Lineman - The Basics

*If You Can't Beat Them...Zone Them

*Breaking Down the O-Line - Season Review

*Breaking Down the Chiefs and Broncos Tape - O-Line

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Port. St. Superbowl

your dang right the ship is steering that way!

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Mar 19, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Booooooooo for the "get r-done" comment

One should never quote or think is funny a slappy like that goof. The rest of the article I’m cool with.

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith

by severn58 on Mar 19, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

It was strange

Roman philosopher and Larry the Cable Guy in the same post?

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

May as well quote the great "Tater Salad"

Or better yet, dust off the Bud “Wassssuuupppp!!” guys. I apologize for my critical mood.

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith

by severn58 on Mar 19, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't stand "the rednecks"

But I can watch Ron White… he has more talent in the backwash of his drink of scotch than LtCG does on the whole.

by Ochophosphate on Mar 19, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

You might as well try to quote GW if you’re gonna quote that idiot. And you call him a philosopher? I just got hooked on this site, but I may have to stray if I keep seeing that BS! Oh…BTW….GO CHIEFS!!!!

by ImaShoYall on Mar 19, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You just never know whos toes you might step on :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have often found in life

That when someone objects to something it is because they are ignorant of it’s reality. I challenge anyone to try not to laugh when Larry discusses how an Ugly Woman caused him to poop his wiener. It is not possible to keep a completely straight face!

by Aiken_Drum on Mar 19, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually love the other guy

and his Dog the pug I think
Ron White

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me, too.

I’m not much of a catch phrase guy, but they’re both funny.

by etp_stl on Mar 19, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Engval

Is the real criminal. I have nothing good to say about that man. There is nothing funny about that guy and if there seems to be it is only because he so obviously stole it from jeff foxworthy. I dont know how bill engval sleeps at night.
Anways, i really enjoyed this write up. I can handle the cable guy but i am eternally grateful for leaving out engval

by gochiefsgo on Mar 19, 2010 4:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Please rec if you agree :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was an appropriate quote for the tone of your article.

Love the Cable Guy

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that tone would be...

disorganized and tangential? :)

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thats what makes him funny!!

But no…I think that “Git R Dun” is a perfect description of the work ethic up at Arrowhead right now. Especially in the upper management.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

My nephew met the cable guy.

Totally unassuming and just a regular, pretty humble guy, in person.

by hmills110 on Mar 19, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

and sensitive...

Member of the Eric Berry Fan Club
Snap the fucking ball Brodie!

by jakethesnake27 on Mar 19, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec Bewsaf

Your post made me somewhat queasy though.
If our youngest starting players are actually no better talent wise than our
oldest players that will be gone in a year or two…..

Question are those charts based on 2009 play or actually draft type bios?

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Our players

are based on my film grades. The others are based on other sites.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is Waters Assignment grade a perfect A?

Is that the best score?
And if you were to extrapoliate the bars would Tan to Orange indicate a backup type skill set?

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deep red is a perfect score

no-one has that.

Yellow a classic backup in that area

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

what are the bars with the red "x's" in it?

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Mar 19, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm a little concerned with ....

the reliance on Waters and Wiegemann, too, given their advancing age. That said, I think you will see some additions to grow via the draft. I think the Wiegemann, Lilja, Smith, and Jones signings have simply relieved the pressure of this year from Pioli for this draft. I think we’re in a good position to accumulate potential and depth from this draft. So, in long, I think Pioli clearly has a plan.

by etp_stl on Mar 19, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

But is the plan to give all the potential roster players on the O-line one more year or draft a bunch more potential instead. Ideally I would like to jump on the D-fense this year and hopefully when we are drafting lower in each round next year, to grab those upgrade O-linemen.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

amen

Chiefs are going to surprise alot of people in 2010 !!!!

by ChiefsMonster on Mar 19, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be a logical plan

I am not sure which one it is yet.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Careful Steve

That sounds an awful lot like Hermology 101. ;<)

by Aiken_Drum on Mar 19, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never said they should start Game 1

Else we just throw out some possible talent Again :(

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we should be able to find ....

decent interior depth anywhere from rounds 3-5. We obviously need to improve the defense up the middle. I think the plan is to start the old guys (I mean proven vets) this year while drafting some OL depth in the mid-to-late rounds. That gives those guys time to work into the system and the line. Then, if Albert doesn’t take steps forward this year, then you can look at LT next year in the draft and move Albert into Waters’ spot.

I’m a proponent of building a team inside out and front to back on both sides of the ball. I’d have to say a solid NT this year takes care of the “front” for the defense. The FA signings have given us a year of breathing room on the “front” of the offense. I think the “inside” of the offense looks pretty good with Charles and Jones (I still have reservations about Cassel), so if we pick up a S and an ILB that should take care of the “inside” of the defense. Anything we can do this year to address the “outside” of both sides of the ball is gravy. I think we’ll probably have to focus on that in next year’s draft.

by etp_stl on Mar 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our reliance on them has been forced on us.

Remember the mess that was left for Pioli when he took over last year. The Offensive Line that went through 4 QBs in 2008. For whatever reason Pioli didn’t work on it as much as he probably should have last year… maybe he thought some of the current players could be coached up, maybe he thought he could get a last ditch effort out of Goff. Who knows… it’s irrelevant now since he decided not to address it much and focused on fixing our horrid defense.

This year he seems to be prepared. It seems like him and his staff are on the same page and have a direction they want to go. They’ve found, IMO, stop gaps that should work. Lilja was a killer signing, and there’s no indication that he will be anything like Goff. Weigmann is going to retire in KC (literally, he’ll most likely live here), so he’s probably going to give his all to try and give KC one more good year of play.

Pioli definitely has a plan. He’s going to try and focus on completing this defense in this draft by finding starters in early rounds, and add depth to the OL in the later rounds. Watch it happen.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree RNG

Especially with Weigmann, he went to the pro bowl last year, there is no reason to believe he wont give KC one helluva year and help groom his drafted replacement that will come sometime in the 3rd or after rounds of the draft.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Mar 19, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is 1 and 2 early rounds?

What is early to you?

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking that in this draft class, 1-3 is early.

4 picks, 4 possible starters, or at the very least solid guys that can take about 60%-80% of the snaps.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 19, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree

we should net 4 starters with the top 70 picks or so.
plus maybe a starter type skill player (slot and or KR/PR, FB? maybe)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

add later to the end of that thought

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those will go a long

way in making this team better…if Pioli gets it right.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

I think last year started so late for Pioli and Haley that it became an evaluation year. Everybody was given an opportunity to prove coaching/scheme/whatever was the reason they didn’t produce before. This year the coaches won’t accept that excuse (cuz that would mean them, of course), so Pioli & Co. can go about upgrading the positions that they have personally evaluated for the last full year.

That’s the reason I always laugh at fans that get worked up about the first year of a new regime.

by etp_stl on Mar 19, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I forgot to mention LBs

I still think that DJ is in their plans, and they hope to have him start this year.
Look for the Mays/Belcher (strong side ILB) to be the one other position on the LB corps that COULD have a new starter in the LB corps… hopefully a solid draft pick that can be a leader from day one.

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense

by stagdsp on Mar 19, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec

I liked it (the analysis)

year two (2010) get the coaching staff right (Crennel/Weis/Thomas), address the OL and DL through FA (Smith, Weigmann, Lilja) and draft some more skill players!

year three (2011) Expect to be a playoff team, continue to stockpile talent.

I question the assumptions on this part though :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny you dont mention a pass rusher

Its only considered one of the 4 elite positions in all of football (the others being LT, CB, and QB), and if memory serves me right the Chiefs finished darn near last in sacks.

by Foilhat on Mar 19, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh

wearing that foil hat in the San Diego sun has fried your brian, when we get DJ locked up and get a dominate NT all our sack problems will be over.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Mar 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

brain*

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Mar 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

pass rusher

I agree that’s a need… but with Vrabel back, it’s not as huge of a priority.
Vrabel will be starting opposite Hali… I’d be inclined to draft a pass rushing specialist that can play on passing downs this year while he learns the defense, hopefully taking over as a starter in 2011

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense

by stagdsp on Mar 19, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

A big 6’1 263 OLB out of Michigan ?

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

if he's there at 2a... sure :)

or a slightly smaller and faster gentleman out of TCU

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense

by stagdsp on Mar 19, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am looking for that guy to let Vrabel play from the bench

Can Rush effectively when needed and Stuff the Run too.
Most of the Draft talk is about Rush OLB and that isn’t necessarily the job Vrabel does :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you finish 2nd to last in sacks in should be a huge priority. Please dont tell me Mike Vrabel who had two sacks last year is the edge rushing answer.

by Foilhat on Mar 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

never said he was "the answer"

but, I’m telling you… he IS the starter.

and, again

I’d be inclined to draft a pass rushing specialist that can play on passing downs this year while he learns the defense, hopefully taking over as a starter in 2011

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense

by stagdsp on Mar 19, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need a guy that can be stout against the run

How many DL/LB’s will the Chiefs keep going into the season?
Say 6 maybe DL’s and 8 LB’s thats a quarter of the roster.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said "its not a huge priority"

Im just trying to figure out how finishing second to last in sacks, doesnt equate to an edge rusher being a HUGE priority.

Maybe I over value pass rushers. But if you look at their salaries, I highly doubt this is the case.

by Foilhat on Mar 19, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

NT

as a whole our defensive unit suffered from the lack of a dominant NT. In the 3-4 the NT is key, and we didnt have one on the roster that was commanding the double team to acceptable standards. Everyone had problems on our defense and it stems from the missing NT.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Mar 19, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You will lose a full year of development and productivity from Albert if you try to move him to RT

This isnt Madden people. This is real life. Life in the trenches is bunches of trained automatic reactionary responses to stimuli from DLs and playcalls. Moving from the left side to the right side flips everything around and you have to retrain your brain to flip everything around. A move to LG would be more logical because many of the first step movements will be the exact same as well as many of the pass rushing technniques. If you can’t find a spot for him on the left side, you might as well trade him.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Not saying move Albert or not, but...

what do you think about Lilja being moved from the left guard spot to the right guard spot?

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

we should move Waters to the RG spot and put Lilja at LG. Waters will only be on the team for one more year most likely and it wouldn’t make sense for Lilja to get use to the right side, only to move back to LG. Also, Waters is a better run blocker and thats who you usually put on the right side.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

and also the whole Run Blocking thing

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I guess because I’m ignorant and don’t know the nuances of a zone blocking scheme. My simplistic mind just associates left side with pass protectors and right side with run blockers. But, I guess you want your better run blockers on the left in a ZB scheme? My main argument was concerning continuity, but if putting Lilja at RG will give us the best chance to win I say do it.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 19, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You will usually run to the side with your best run blockers

rather than shuffle the line around. In a ZB scheme, it shouldnt matter too much.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 21, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I have my moments.

Besides, if there is one thing I should know, its the OL and DL!!

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really good stuff and rec

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh oh

I see an AP bar moment coming :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bar moment?

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait for it :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

AP Bar

Welcome to AP

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Single Malt and an LFD please.

You need to update that post. Some of the regulars either are not around or wouldnt be in the same position.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have been at AP for a little over a year now I think.

Last year, there was a regular OL expert so I didnt feel like I needed to lend my opinion. I am not sure if he is still around.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It was like WHAT Bewsaf wrote the post :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kalo was working the Defense

Texas Chief was the LB coach and I think still is :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking it might have been Texas Chief with the OL articles I read

Maybe I should put something together on techniques though

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be great.

I know very little about techniques, and I would be extremely interested in any insight you could give us.

by etp_stl on Mar 20, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

and in that train of thought

HMills has to be the secondary coach :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be a good post...

an AP coaching staff and why each is in their respective positions.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rounding up the coaching staff at one time

makes me think

Herding Cats

But it would be an awesome post!

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Naming them creatively and getting them together are two different things

You have already named 3 or 4 positions. It shouldnt be too hard to fill out the rest.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

just finding my place Kray.

I prefer to stay out of the straight jackets.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 21, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can always borrow it whenever you feel the urge ...

… just return it to kray when you’re finished

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by upamtn on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Other than that point, great article. Rec

And for the other Rednecks out there, its spelled “Git” in the Cable Guy phrase. Not that us rednecks really care.

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks

and “Git”…I need to work on that. :)

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Real rednecks dont talk like that

Even if/when Larry the Cable Guy is funny, he ruins it with that put-on accent.

by alakan81 on Mar 20, 2010 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rednecks come in a lot of varieties, so ....

I wouldn’t try to claim there is just one accent to go by.

by etp_stl on Mar 20, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that's true

The main thrust of what I was saying is that the accent he uses on stage is a put-on.

by alakan81 on Mar 20, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agee wholeheartedly,

there no way everyone will agree who the Chiefs should draft – but we can all agree the o-line was short on talent. We found a stop gap center, and a solid guard. This in no way shape or form does this translate into the Chiefs being satisfied to draft a couple low round projects for the future of the franchise. And I don’t care how many mock drafts say differently.

by tenacious rdc on Mar 19, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice Post Bewsaf.

Hell yeah Pioli has a plan.

His port is multiple Super Bowls.

This off season is the one that most of us were hoping for last year. I’m glad that through it all I stood strong in my opinion of him and repeatedly made rationalizations towards what we went through last year. “It’s only his first year.”… “He just took over a catastrophe of a team, give him time”… “He couldn’t fix it all at once”… “He’s using this year to clean house, he’s figuring out what he has”.

It’s obvious he’s got this under control. I don’t see how he could make anyone upset at this point. He’d have to some how find a way to fuck up in a very deep draft class. Chiefs Nation is flying high right now because we’re watching the plan that was promised in action. We’re watching the Chiefs steadily build their team while the “Rest of the West” seems to be stuck in neutral (with the possible exception of DEN).

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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 19, 2010 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Beast

Hopefully Denver is getting it wrong. :)

I agree, it can’t get fixed all at once.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully.

I’m just not sure. I remember last year how everyone thought they totally destroyed their team, yet they finished 2nd.

They’re looking a little confused right now. Firing Nolan, trading for Quinn, shuffling their D line with questionable free agents while a draft that is rich in good DL prospects looms…

They’re doing some odd stuff, but like I said, we thought they’d be in the basement last year.

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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 19, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats true

It looked like a typical (recent history) Denver season. Come out of the gates screaming and then drag across the finish line.

Hard to tell what is going on.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great job

What a lot of people refuse to understand is our o-line was not really that bad last year. It was the change that Haley made with O C that put our o-line behind . our Defense sucked that is where we need to build this year . we can pick up some guys for offense in latter rounds . we still have 2011 Draft before we become a force in the A F C .

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by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Mar 19, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Charles

There is a lot to fix. Hope that defense gets it’s upgrades.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd Bewsaf

It takes time to turn the Titanic (i.e., sinking ship) around. It’s a massive floating structure…when the icebergs are looming you can bet that one or two will hit the hull before you can get it turned and moving in the right direction…

Ok enough of the metaphores…
Everyone knows Pioli is a brilliant football mind, as are our 3 primary coaches now. The result of having that many minds who know how to think alike and in concert means that the results of their FA moves, draft choices, player evaluations and training of the players we have are all actions that reflect that there is a clear plan/destination in mind. There is absolutely no question in my mind about this.

The fans are the lucky ones. Maybe fortunate is a better word. Mr Hunt has found the best mining apparatus to mine for gold. And just because he has, doesn’t mean he stops before he strikes it rich. And once he strikes it rich, he’s not the type to stop mining. (oops…I used another metaphor…sorry)

Pioli said at the Combine that he’s been given all financial authority to do whatever he deems appropriate to make proper choices concerning what players he acquires to fit into the team that will help him fulfill his plan. Yesterday I was struggling to find my faith in him…but today I have it back. Yay!

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I like your reply gifted

I think you pointed out a very important element that is going on at Arrowhead. 4 minds thinking as 1.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

commonly called "synergy"

It mostly goes unnoticed as a valuable asset in everything except management and leadership circles.

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And usually means

Iceberg Ahead

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Synergy?!! NOOOOO

>>jumps out nearest window<<

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol there goes CandC

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah he'll be back

He is a stuntman

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

rofl

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope...I just work on the first floor.

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

...landed in the bushes outside the window?

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Time to head home early.

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

You do realize that once it hit the iceberg, it was going to sink no matter what direction it was going.

Its this fact that made the movie so horrible. Who in this world will actually PAY to watch a boat sink?!?

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol...so true

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love

Sink the Bismark

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

+14

That ship would have been a beast had it actually got into the Med. and open ocean

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget that HOF guy Hoffman :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't he in the movie "HOOK"?

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 minutes to wabner?

or…“Bring me Peter Pan!!”

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its a movie you should own on DVD

Ru-fi-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol do you believe I still have it in VHS?

my boys love it.

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine was watched so often it stopped working.

The tape will play but the tape has just worn out.

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup...they are about $30 at walmart

or you can get the recorder for $200+ and just turn all your old tapes to DVDs…of course, its illegal to do that for movies, but if its for your own personal use, I doubt disney will come after you…although I wouldnt put it past michael eisner

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by chiefsandcigars on Mar 19, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok cool, I haven't even looked...

going there later today so maybe I’ll check it out.

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 19, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can you get me some Camo pants?

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, yes

Business casual

by alakan81 on Mar 20, 2010 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Say what

about Williams? Not following ya there. Why did you choose to use him as an example?

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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 19, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Great Post Bewsaf. Rec'd

1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.

by BJ Kissel on Mar 19, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

The "Chin" has spoken. Good day to you: Bewsaf sir.

I enjoyed the post. Although I’m very high right now. I was reading comments along the way and it took me awhile to get to the bottom of the comments, (good for you) yah anyway I"m high and I can’t remember what it was about.

I’m pretty sure I thought it was excellent because I remember smiling.

No, it was just really good man. THanks for always putting like a major amount of work and care into your posts. I think once in awhile they get taken for granted. Not usually tho. Rec’d. I have never not rec’d one of your posts since I started reading them.
(as far as i can remember, which ain’t long, you know cuz…I’M HIGH)

by krayfish on Mar 19, 2010 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

A question?

I know this is an O-line post Bewsaf but?

If the NT draws a Double team…
if the LDE draws a Double team….
if the RDE draws a Double team….

The OLB’s have to beat a RB/FB/second TE to sack the QB

I am high on a Mizzou win so

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Your right

you cannot double all of them. On the run you really want the offense to have to double the NT. That really limits the offense. Inside linebackers begin to flow and run through less trash. Defensive ends get one on ones. And OLB get to play the mismatch.

It’s all about the NT, baby. Get me a beast.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 19, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFMpWm6ECgQ

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am still smiling

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sign that Orangutan to a 5 year deal.

At 4’ tall, it will ALWAYS win the “who has a lower center of gravity” battle. ;-)

by DivineGrace on Mar 19, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes She will :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 19, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

good post

but i would rank lilja a little higher in pass pro as well as overall potential and im one of those who think albert is the real deal and those two will anchor our line for the next few years.

by chiefs72 on Mar 19, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice Post, Bewsaf, and mostly high-content discussion, after.

You do contradict yourself, to a degree, by talking about sensible behavior and husbanding your picks, and then spewing a sudden flurry of “Spend Draft Picks in FA trades!” remarks.

But I think any open-minded person in an expository setting is going to say contradictory things, because there are so many countervailing factors, when it comes down to the specific. So far, Pioli’s traded a 2nd for Cassel and Vrabel, and spent a ?6? on Ndukwe and Alleman, of whom only Ndukwe remains. If those are the kinds of risks he’s taking, I’m OK with that, but I don’t like giving up the picks, generally.

My knee-jerk reaction to “Get a pass-rusher!” is to start talking, like stagdsp did above, about the team concept for pass rush. I’m all about getting one more lineman who will eat up one more blocker on an every-down basis, or one more DB who can single up the next higher tier of WRs in the league. You instantly upgrade your LBs that way, without doing anything directly at LB. Their assignments and their reads are more clear-cut, which makes the entire LB corps faster, because they’re not wasting time processing.

All of this being said, I think there are some very good Brandon Graham types, who could be fine run-stuffing and pass-rushing OLBs, if you weren’t hoping for a true DE or expecting a LB to play like the S you wish you had, but don’t. I do think that would have a profound impact on the base D, and I do NOT think Vrabel’s a dominant pass rusher off the edge.

As for Waters-Lilja talk, who’s to say what the plan is for Waters? Does he even want to be a Chief in ‘10? I really don’t think Lilja, at 290, was brought in to play RG, and I’m not at ALL sure who’d be starting at LG and C after the dust settled. I can even see Lilja at C, before it’s all over.

Unlike a lotta commenters, above, I don’t necessarily see Albert being pushed out of the LT spot, even if Okung is drafted, and if he is, I don’t see RT as all that likely for Albert. To me, LT is pretty much off the radar, until later on, and I’m leaning towards the kinds of college LTs who size up like NFL RTs or Gs, like Ducasse, and those kinds of guys aren’t (imo) going all that high in this draft.

And finally, Bewsaf, don’t kid yourself about OL. I EXPECT to see OL in this draft, but it doesn’t mean that’s what I’ll see, until late, and might see little or none of on the field, beyond the guys we already have on the roster.

by hmills110 on Mar 19, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

As far as Lilja going 290

In general, you want guys that are a little lighter in the pants for a zone scheme, since they need to be more mobile and the scheme protects them from having to single-up and drive block those big defensive tackles. And at 6’2", 290 is just about right and makes him almost the same size as Weigmann. Which, hey, now that I say that and with full knowledge that he’s never played the position, I wonder if they might be thinking about trying to turn Lilja into a center to take over once Casey retires? Similar size and a (seemingly) similar skill set. I’m just spitballing, but something to consider.

by alakan81 on Mar 20, 2010 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've had the same thought about Lilja at C.

LG to C is talked about with Waters. Why not Lilja?

In any event, Lilja gives Weis more skilled linemen to work with, and that is a plus. I just have no idea how the eventual lineup might look, or how it might vary, depending on opponents and situations.

Something few teams do is rotate their starting 5 on OL, whereas many teams rotate d-line all the time. This isn’t something I talk about a lot, but I remember times when it seemed to me that the KC O-Line wore down during a season and down the stretch in games. Times when it was must-score situation and opposing defenses could turn it up a few notches and make the KC offense look pretty futile.

by hmills110 on Mar 20, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

shhh

Situational O-line…..

It is like always playing D means always chasing.
O-lineman know what the are supposed to do so not as much wasted energy.

But…..
You never no

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the theory. Nevertheless (and this goes back to Martyball), there were times when the OL seemed to run outta steam late.

But yeah, I understand the theory. But I also am throwing out possibilities, like that Warpaint article on all the ambiguities on the KC o-line. I’ll speculate and then Pioli will present us all with something quite prosaic.

by hmills110 on Mar 21, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prosaic = status quo

I am old an Status quo has worked.

Maybe a center in 3 and a tackle before we run out of picks in 5th.
Both might (in this draft) be upgrades to the line.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 21, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Mills
You do contradict yourself, to a degree, by talking about sensible behavior and husbanding your picks, and then spewing a sudden flurry of "Spend Draft Picks in FA trades!" remarks.

My point on the “spending draft picks in FA trades” was to say that if Pioli sees his guy…then get him. If that is a guy on another team, go for it. If it is a guy in the draft, go for it. That was my point.

Lilja at center? Not a bad idea. Not sure if that is the Chiefs direction. But it might make sense.

And finally, Bewsaf, don’t kid yourself about OL. I EXPECT to see OL in this draft, but it doesn’t mean that’s what I’ll see, until late, and might see little or none of on the field, beyond the guys we already have on the roster.

That might be true. But somebody has to keep the drum beating to let everyone know that “games are won in the trenches.” I will always believe that.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 21, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't calling you out on the contradiction, really, if you read the rest of my comment.

But yeah, I see your point, about being patient and then acting decisively.

I agree that the trenches dictate the ebb and flow of the game. But I don’t NEED to see big splashes, either. Seen those in the past come to nothing (or worse), and just want to see the talent level stay on the up-tick.

by hmills110 on Mar 21, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
just want to see the talent level stay on the up-tick

which is why I really do hope Pioli grabs a Walton with 2B (to use one example) … I think we need younger guys who can grow into those positions with Weigmann and Waters aging … Lilja is young, as is Albert … O’Cal? not sure of his age offhand, point is to keep the pipeline going with new blood … one or two this year, another next year …

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by upamtn on Mar 22, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Bewsaf....I didn't check your sites man...so I was wondering..

did you do those graphs yourself based on information? Or are those somebody elses you brought over to your post?

by krayfish on Mar 20, 2010 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

It was a combo of both.

The Chiefs guys are more my stuff with a reflection on other stuff. And the new guys were other’s stuff with a reflection on my stuff.

I did watch one game with Lilja. And I did remember how Casey Played when he was with the Chiefs(although I did not grade the line then)

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 21, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

triple rec'd awesome as always, Bews

the plan? like WE have a clue?

my hope is that yes, Pioli DOES get more OLine this year … Okung? Davis? Walton? Pouncey? whover and whenever will be up to Pioli … so far so good, I agree we DO need more OLine for the FUTURE … no question of that in my mind

Berry? Williams? Spoon? McClain? you betcha we need Defense … again, whoever and whenever … what The Plan is, well, that’s Pioli’s job … last year I had NO idea, but so far this year, good moves, I’m on board … love the graphics, you ROCK!

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by upamtn on Mar 20, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed ... it needs to be an ongoing upgrade

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by upamtn on Mar 22, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just want to be sure we get a NT...other than that, I really hope we complete the o line out and

use the later rounds for shoring up the defense. (Although I am intrigued by Berry, just because of all the hype surrounding him)

by krayfish on Mar 20, 2010 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Kray

you waffle so well :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 20, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It shall revert after the charity vote

AP rules and AP should win

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 21, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're a Conehead, aren't you ... from France

that’s what it LOOKS like (at first glance)

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