Chiefs Free Agency Moves Are So Good Even Jason Whitlock Is Impressed
by Joel Thorman on Mar 18, 2010 8:41 AM CDT
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PrintWell, the Kansas City Chiefs have really outdone themselves now. With the word "value" being thrown around at all their free agency moves -- particularly that of Thomas Jones and Ryan Lilja -- even Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star is impressed.
The signing of former Indianapolis guard Ryan Lilja was the final straw for me. Pioli is starting to live up to his reputation.
Whitlock likens the Lilja signing to a Carl Peterson free agent coup Dan Saleaumua.
I don’t want to overstate this, but without Saleaumua, Thomas wouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame today. People outside of Kansas City probably don’t even remember Big Dan. That’s fine. We do.
Lilja is a Dan Saleaumua on the offensive side. Lilja’s signing means next to nothing around the league. After five productive seasons, the Colts let Lilja walk because they mistakenly believe they need a 310-pounder at guard to run the ball more effectively. Fine. Their mistake is our gain.
I think the last time we read something like this from Haley and Pioli's biggest critic is the first day the GM was hired.
(H/T justinmayhaugh and Arrowheadlines)
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I remember Sally
Dude was crazy cool. I was just a young Chiefs fan when I saw him on the field. Can some of the “older folks” give us a good writeup on what he was like at the time, what you saw, etc?
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
From an Old dude
Dan Saleaumua was definitely the right “53”.I believe Pioli & Haley would have jumped on him in a second.Tough,smart,played hurt,never complained & a real football guy.
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Dan was a Stud DT! If I remember correctly he was woking as a concrete worker when he got the call from the Chiefs!
So you think you are so important that no one can replace you? Put your finger in a bucket of water and pull it out. Does it leave a hole? Nope, just some ripples that eventually calm themselves!
by Fan of the Red And Gold on Mar 18, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed..
With “Dan the Man” clogging up the middle plays had to go outside to Neil and Derrick…great days!!!
by pompanokcfan on Mar 18, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, those were the days, weren't they?
Chiefs football has been pretty unenjoyable since Martyball ended, but I truly believe Pioli and Haley can not only bring KC back up to the level of the Martyball era, but surpass it by winning a lot of playoff games.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 18, 2010 8:50 AM CDT reply actions
ya too bad Marty's brain cramped up just in time for the playoffs every year
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The good part was that he actually made the playoffs almost every year
And he won more playoff games in KC than every KC coach since him…combined.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 18, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Kinda liked his "circus" O
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you saying that you think he won zero playoff games in KC?
He won three, by my recollection, which is a little better than the combined zero won by all KC coaches since him.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 18, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
certainly not burnt O
just saying that I thought we were good enough to go farther and it seemed that he simply gave away playoff games with clearly stupid play calling at times.
For example:
Question: who runs up the gut (not a draw play) on third and long in a playoff game?
Answer: Marty S.
Other than that kind of play calling at critical times in the playoffs (which incidentally he also did in SD), Marty was a great coach…one of the best of all time in the NFL IMHO.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
gifted, I don't think you can "blame" Marty for that ... and certainly not EVERY year
remember, at THAT level, it’s not even always about being BEST but about being LUCKIEST in a way … granted that one year he should never have kept Grbac over Gannon, but before that with Montana we went to the AFC Champ … you can’t blame Marty that we ran into a Dynasty at the height of their run (Nuffalo) nor can you blame him that Montana got his lights put out so hard it registered as a small earthquake on the West Coast
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Ok well, it's just the way it looked to me...
but I agree with the “luck” part…who would have known that Gannon would take the Faiders to the SB and win? I certainly didn’t think he was that good.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
lotta people think Marty's "style" was always "good but not good enough"
that is, his smashmouth offense coupled with kickass defense and overall consdervative approach was one “not designed to win at the next level”… yanno what? you have to GET to that level before you can WIN …
so, given a CHOICE, do you want kickass in the playoffs just about every year? or would you prefer win the SB every 5 or 9 years and who knows what in between? personally, get me TO the playoffs time after time, I’m willing to take my chances …
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I'd like to see the Chiefs make it to the playoffs more too
And I ain’t saying I didn’t like Marty…just saying it seemed like he got nervous and stepped out of his game plan at critical times in the bigger games. That’s all.
But I guess I’m not allowed to have an opinion here so I’ll just shut up now…. lol
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw those playoff losses the same as you gifted
It may be blasphemy to some around here but it seemed to me for Marty it was a combination of being out-coached and choking in the playoffs. That being said, I liked Marty and was happy as hell he was here. Those were fun seasons to watch.
agreed
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
At Martys 1st training camp, in Liberty,
I was hangin around by the fence talking to some Cleveland guys. Of course I asked about Marty and they said that he’d get us to the playoffs, but no farther. They turned out to be correct.
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I'll take a superbowl every 4 to 6 years
versus being in the playoffs every year or every other or couple of years. your saying you’d rather just go to the dance every year rather than take home the prom queen every 4 to 6 years? People remember who won the Superbowl, not who they beat to win it. And we haven’t won it in 40 years.
by tebunker on Mar 18, 2010 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yesterday was St. Patty's Day......you do the math
Jason was drunk when he wrote this. He woke up this morning, read the paper and slurred, “WTF?”
by ChiefConcern on Mar 18, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Sadly this makes Lilja's signing suspect
The last player I remember Whitlock this effusive over was…Jeff George. Thanks for dashing my hopes, Jason.
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by Jazzy Megalodon on Mar 18, 2010 9:00 AM CDT reply actions
The "Whit" has spoken
Excellent, if Jason Whitlock agrees with the signing then we should all agree with the signing!!! (Can you hear the sarcasm in my voice?)
Stansberry has spoken
if Stansberry doesn't like Whitlock we should all dislike Whitlock because Stansberry is a genius and knows more than ...
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I remember big Dan
It was back a few years after I had moved to Kansas and I first became a fan of the Chiefs. He hit the NFL about the time I graduated from College.
I was so impressed when big Dan joined the team. You noticed his absence as soon as he stepped off the field. It was A M A Z I N G how much difference the big guy made in the middle. Funny thing is he wasn’t that big by today’s standards…only 6’ 315lbs, but he just played big. The thing about him was that he just played mean. He was an animal.
Data: 28 sacks and 3 INT’s in 8 seasons on KC’s DL. No tackle data available on NFL.com before 2001.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions
Hoping to get that same kind of attitude from Shaun Smith.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 18, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
If he's got it in him, Crennel should be able to get it out of him.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Loved DannySal
Could say the same thing about Mike Maslowski. He never got a lot of recognition, but during the Vermeil years, our defense went from “good enough/middle-of-the-pack” to complete shit whenever he got injured.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
Dan is the perfect example
why people shouldn’t rule out DT’s for the 3-4 NT position just because their not 6’6" 350 lbs.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah ... after all, Dan was 5'11" and 395 lbs
at least, seemed like that at the time
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I disagree....
Todays NFL is a way different place than the NFL Saleamua played…and also its a different defensive system. The trenches have gotten alot bigger across the board.
Saleamua was suppose to penetrate and wreak havoc…..a crennel 3-4 will require a NT to eat up 2 blockers at least consistently and not give any ground….and to do that you need size.
This is not taking away from old sal…he was great what he did…I just think we are looking for a different skillset with this D. Not all 3-4’s are run the same. If we needed penetration and havok…..I think you would have seen Dorsey tried at NT instead of end.
OL's have continued to get bigger, true, but
if size was everything, why scout players? Why have the combine? Why have workouts? Why watch tape? Lets just measure them and draft.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Dan played at 6’0", 305 lbs. Now, people rule out people who are 6’3" 320 lbs, based on pre-conceived bias. While in GENERAL you might want a little larger, it’s not a steadfast rule. If so, we’d never have seen Priest Holmes, Emmit Smith, etc, etc
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Priest Holmes, Emmit Smith, etc, etc ... at NT???
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can you not read?
My point was about assuming you need to be a certain size… Dan S., Priest, Emmit were a few high profile examples. Calm down.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
no, I can't read
because I obviously missed where you pointed out that the size of a NT has anything to do with the size of a RB … it was an Apples:Oranges comparision that made no sense to me
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sorry about the "read" comment
But it’s pretty clear that I was making a point about writing people off about their size and expectations of a certain position. It holds true for all positions, e.g. Drew Brees, Wes Welker, etc etc
It’s obvious you have no interest what people say, but rather just to argue by attempting to poke holes in what they say (or infer things they didn’t say) rather than addressing the meat of their statement.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Whitlock was being fitted for cement shoes when he wrote this.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
ROFL
ok, look … y’all get off my boy now, he gave ya this year’s good column
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Personally I receive any publication that Whitlock contributes to and I certainly don't go searching him out via internet.
I’m not one to throw stones…. ok that’s not true but I could care less what he has to say….. or most other sports reporters for that matter. Most of those guys are just spewing Venom most of the time, I’ll just stick to AP where I know the content is accurate, reliable and delivered in classy and timely fashion.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Personally I DON"T receive
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 18, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Saleaumua was awesome.
If there was a fumble he would fall on it.
As for Whitlock, I didn’t care when he wasn’t impressed and I don’t care when he is.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
ah, man....
If there was a fumble he would fall on it.
Houston, 93 playoffs…I remember. He won us that game.
(and a little help from Joe. ;D)
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
That Whitlock published these words;
Pioli is starting to live up to his reputation.
must surely signify that hell froze over
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"starting"????
“Whitless” …. good name for him
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
what, like Pioli did everything right last year? please ...
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giftedchiefsfan, on second thought, maybe you're right after all ...
today's column PROVES that Whitlock has no clue about football and it's obvious that we don't either because all of us have been supportive of Haley here on AP so therefore ...
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r u kidding?
Piolee is the effing MAN!!!!!!!!!!!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 18, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
not at all ... he just happened to say something that you happen to agree with ...
which apparantly means it’s “open season” to make snide remarks about Whitlock … and I really don’t get that … I don’t understand why y’all are so down on the guy for expressing his opinions (and doing it so well that he’s won national awards for the KC Star along the way)
I suppose you thought Whitlock was out of line when he expressed the opinion that what Michael Vick did was inhumane, wrong, classess and stupid
maybe you disagreed when Whitlock slammed the Gangsta Rap that adversely affects so many kids across our country
or you might have felt it was wrong when Whitlock spoke out against Don Imus and his racially insensitive on-air remarks
you, like everyone else, are free to agree or disagree with Whitlock, myself, BigRedChief, krayfish, Joe Posnanski, Rush Limbaugh, President Obama, KCPorkchop, etc
myself, I like Whitlock … I find him to have a great sense of humor, knowledge of sports and society, and hey … the guy loves bar-b-q, how can he be all bad
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I think alot of the criticism toward Whitlock is created through jealousy.
There lies this thought in every fan’s mind that if they had that job the public would rally around thier every thought put into print. That simply isn’t true, nor is it true that you would keep your job very long if you weren’t willing to ruffle a few feathers.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 18, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
good point ... rec'd
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 18, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, so your argument is
you just assume i’m closed minded by being closed minded about me? Yeah, you know a lot about my opinions and motivations, hua? That’s based on the fact that I don’t agree with you? Isn’t that the same thing you’re assuming i’m doing?
Hypocrite.
My opinion of Whitlock is based on years of him writing stuff he obviously knows is false and doesn’t believe just to get a rise out of people to increase readership. I understand that he’s not a journalist, just an opinion piece writer, but he’s horrible at that too. He’s entirely dishonest and only cares about the bottom line: readership. He spreads lies to do it. He’s a horrible writer b/c he feels he can’t get readership without being inflammatory and deceitful. Hard to respect someone that desperate.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
I would disagree, though, on the part about being horrible at being an opinion piece writer. He does that well, and people read his articles for that reason. I just think taking him as more than that is silly. Also, wasting this much time talking about him is kinda bad too.
Guess it depends on your expectation of an opinion writer
I expect some level of integrity and honesty rather than just pure entertainment.
I’d agree with you if more people realized it’s as real as the WWE, but some people don’t and take such things as truth, so there’s some level of responsibility with being an opinion writer, imho
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
you think his comments about Vick or Gangsta Rap are akin to WWE fluff?
just curious where you stand on some of his truly serious opinions
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VermeilLikesToCry ... actually, I'm thinking more like this ...
= you come here and support the Chiefs
= in coming here to post your support of the Chiefs, you also support moves made by Pioli
= Whitlock writes a column supportive of the moves made by Pioli
= you trash Whitlock for the column he wrote supporting the moves made by Pioli
you support the team, then bash Whitlock when he does the same thing, to me, that adds up to one thing …
= you are the hypocrite
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said nothing about Pioli
I didn’t say anything about support or lack of support for Pioli. You assumed it just because I made a one-liner about this being out of character for Whitlock, who has historically gone out of his way to bash Pioli, right or wrong.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 18, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I've done a good deal of Pioli bashing myself over the last year, and haven't had to go out of my way to find things I disagree with
what I see Pioli doing now is much better than what (little) I saw him do a year ago … does that in and of itself make ME a hypocrite? because if so, then we honestly have a LOT of hypocrites on this site, I’m only one of many who’ve been critical of what Pioli did a year ago
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none of that is about the Chiefs
I just disagree with the guy when he calls Pioli names like Egoli and rails on Haley for being “arrogant” or “yells too much” or other stupid things. Because I think he is just making up BS for personal reasons which are that he somehow feels slighted that they don’t give a damn what he thinks or that he isn’t allowed on a certain floor. So, if anyone has a big ego it is Whitlock. I don’t want him or his opinion infringing on the mgmt of the Chiefs because he would be horrible. Jeff George?
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Well
So Sh!tlock finally had something possitive to say… Is he sick???
Big Jefe, it's not a matter of anything other than Jason being honest and stating his opinions
he does that ALL THE TIME with EVERY COLUMN … he gets paid to do just that, express his opinions … and he just happens to be very good at it, and he’s recently won some national recognition and awards for that very thing
the only “difference” is that THIS time his opinion is in agreement with that of APers (of course, a lot of APers will defent Pioli or Haley or whomever even when they do something blatantly stupid … Whitlock won’t, nor should he)
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Did you read any of his stuff from last season???
The last time he had something good to say about the Chiefs was when they fired Carl. What was the last article that he wrote giving the team some props… Was it when the team hired Romeo and Charley… How wait, noooo!!! The only thing that he had to say about their hiring was that it was going to create a power vacuum between the assistant coaches and Tod… Come on man!!! I try to not be bios but the guy is a retard. Saying that Sh!tlock is a great writer is like saying that Governor Gregoire isn’t retarded up here in Washington State.
Big jefe, here you go ... don't take my word for it, read the AP Post from
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/3/12/1369420/kc-star-wins-triple-crown-and
Joel Thorman wrote:
Whitlock also received top 10 honors for stories on Michael Beasley, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Mangino, Michael Vick and a study on graduation rates for black athletes.
and that’s only part of the story …
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Big Jefe, you're kinda losing credibility with your rants by tossing around terms like ...
… “Shitlock” and “retard” … flinging insults in a sophomoric and childish manner doesn’t win you debate points … and since I’m here, I suppose I have to ask about one thing you said …
I try to not be bios but …
… what is bios? is that like what runs my PC?
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Give me one article in the last year that he has writen in the last year that had anything good to say about the Chiefs…. besides this last one.
Whitlock wrote a few positive things about Waters
just because he hated Pioli and Haley immensly at the time he wrote them.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
i dont know
i may have to change my sig line if ol Whitlock starts beating a new drum around here!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
I remember
the game Bill Maas broke his arm…Dan started from that point on
The Chiefs will take a defensive player with 3 out of their first 4 picks in 2010
big dan
was johhny on the spot. always there to recover fumbles….a lot of which were forced by DT.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I am a big critic of Pioli and Haley too but ..
the TJ, Casey, CC, and Lilja signings were very good moves imo
This is the kind of stuff I hoped for last year
With 3 top 60 picks, KC can do well in the draft if Pioli makes the right moves
Lots of options with needs at
OT
NT
Safety
LB
WR
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Lol.
Whitlock must have read my post.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 18, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
Brainlock subsides
Maybe if Whitlock would of taken the initiative and talked to Haley a year ago instead of a month ago he would of had a clue.
Instead he was more concerned with being a buddy to the players than reporting the facts..
Whitlock=Skip Bayless.
They both speak their mind, and I disagree with both of them about 80% of the time. But, I admire that they do have the courage to say what isn’t politically correct or popular. It’s the controversy they stir up, that makes them a good living doing what they do. It also doesn’t necessarily make them bad people, although I’m sure they get a helluva lot more hate mail than love letters.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
People hate him
and call him Fatlock, idiot or whatever but they ALWAYS read his column. I don’t always agree with his viewpoint but the man is interesting. You would think the ones that dislike him so much would just ignore him but they can’t.
I actually used to read him
but anymore I have no time to waste on him. I don’t think he has anything of worth to say about the Chiefs anymore because he’s gone too far down the irrational personal path to where his opinion is too clouded to mean anything.
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