With The 2nd Pick In The 2010 Arrowhead Pride Mock Draft, The Detroit Lions Select...
by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2010 4:00 PM CDT
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The Matt Millen Era is over in Detroit, and once again hope for the Lions reigns supreme, if not supremely confident. If nothing else, the age of wisdom and enlightenment and intelligent choices for the team is alive and well, as evidenced by a strong and productive free agency period, one in which the Lions have bettered themselves on both sides of the line.
With the addition of seasoned veteran Nate Burleson as another weapon on offense, the Lions made sure to address the other side of the ball with two huge free agency signings in Kule Vanden Bosch and Corey Williams. But this year the Lions go further than ever before, this year the Lions show a determination to make the defensive front line one of the best in the NFL. This year the Lions actually do take the BPA ...
With the 2nd overall pick of the 2010 draft, the Detroit Lions address both a need and obtain the consensus choice as Best Player Available by taking Ndamukong Suh. With last year's run defense resembling Swiss Cheese as much as an NFL team, the Lions badly needed to address the front line, and even with the signings of Kyle Vanden Bosch and Corey Williams, the need for more help was clear, especially with a player the caliber of Suh.
Given his size, his speed and his obvious talent and versatility, Suh represents and obvious upgrade for Lions defensive front, adding not just talent but depth to what already beginning to look like a decent improvement over 2009. With the addition of this year's BPA, the 2010 Lions should come out with a much stouter defense than in years past. The adage is that games are won in the trenches, and the Lions have clearly done all they can do to address the defensive line in crystal clear terms.
(props to Pride of Detroit fans for their comments and assistance)
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was this moved back until now
because secretly everyone knew Lilja was going to get signed? I could have sworn i saw this up earlier then it got removed super fast???
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
They should trade with the Chiefs for Dorsey
If Suh is still there we could give them Dorsey for a swap in the 1st round and their 2nd or 3rd.
Agree
Dorsey is too valuable to us. He’s a beast, and started coming along in the 3-4 defense towards the end of the season.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 16, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
agree, I think if pioli was going to move him it would have been last year to atlanta...
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by justinmayhugh on Mar 16, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That...
deal is off the table after they traded for Corey Williams.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Skrappy, why would they do that? that makes NO sense at all for the Lions ...
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Lol.
I like it. Give us Suh and your 34th pick and you can have Dorsey and our 5th pick.
I doubt Detroit will go for that.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, can you IMAGINE that? how could they NOT go for it ... a Pro-Bowler like Dorsey and a LOWER pick ...
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i'm all for gambling on potential
but in this case you have to go with the proven commodity. dorsey is only 2 years removed from the draft and so his up side is every bit as big as suh’s. plus dorsey has proven, especially toward the end of last year, that he can play with authority. just look at our run D when he wasn’t. he’s the epitome of a 3-4 DE. the silent hero.
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I agree that they will make this pick but...
Okung should be the pick b/c they need to protect Stafford. Good job upatm!
ty tomahawk!
I spent some time at Pride of Detroit and trust me, the OVERWHELMING fan choice was Suh … not even a question on that one …
there WAS some discussion regarding the OLine, but MOST of the guys over there felt pretty strongly about their LT (Backus) being pretty good (for now) and the need to do a couple of things:
1) nail down the DLine for a LONG time with Suh, and
2) get the BPA
by picking Suh they do both … and still can take S or CB in 2nd round … and OLine in 3rd/4th
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Last Year
Their overwhelming pick was Aaron Curry…which is who I picked for them only to see Stafford be the real world selection.
I love the POD site, but just sayin’… :)
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I Still Think They'll Go O-Line
Pride of Detroit disagrees, but they also disagreed with the idea that the Lions would take Stafford last season. I still believe Okung will be the pick.
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There Just Isn't That Much Line Talent Out There In This Draft
And there’s none in free agency. There’s enough d-line talent, though, that a good prospect could slip to them in the 2nd round, which is why I think they’ll go with Okung. That and they want to keep Stafford intact.
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I Will Say, Though
That Suh would not be a bad pick for them. Assuming they want Stafford broken, of course. :) But Suh would definitely help that defense, although not more than firing Gunther Cunningham.
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Suh would not be a "bad" pick for ANY team
as I (just) noted (above) the Lions fans (for what that’s worth) think they have a “decent” if not overpowering OLine (for now) and that Burleson will help relieve some pressure from Stafford as well
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A lot of the experts have us taking LT
even though the overwhelming pick here is Berry. So much so that i am almost starting to hate berry
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 16, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
its like when the experts had us taking a WR every year through the bowe selection...may make sense to an outsider...but moving albert to RT and benching ocall to pass on top end talent and bring in okung makes no sense to me
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Definitely. I'm really tired of the Bulaga picks. I think he will be a great RT but not even a decent LT.
I especially hate that every analyst that has us going Bulaga says that Pioli is friends with Iowa’s coach so we’ll probably reach for a below average tackle prospect with T-Rex arms.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 16, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Nail on what head? Bulaga has average, not below average, arms.
Bulaga will be a pro for a long time, imo. Doesn’t mean I would pick him at #5 myself.
totally agree, If I were lions management, I take Okung.
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they might ... time will tell
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I do...
as well. If they care about their QB at all they will address the offensive line. Backus is mediocre at best and is getting old, while their RT out of BC a few years ago looks like a bust. If you look at their moves in free agency they are trying to address the D-line so they don’t have to with the #2 pick.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I Think So Too
I was leaning more towards them grabbing Suh before they got Williams.
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fans at Pride of Detroit thought Backus had a pretty year in 2009 and their Oline is decent enough
… certainly good enough to favor the BPA … Suh
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Backus Is 33
He did not have that good of a year. And even if he did, he’s not going to be getting better and they’ll need to get a replacement for him sooner rather than later.
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Sounds like some of us that say our O-line put it together at the end of the year
Exactly, when our schedule was at it’s weakest. We still lost 3 out of 4 games.
Interesting UC
Andrew just posted an article over at AA suggesting that Detroit could take Ojung, thus causeing McCoy to fall to the Chiefs.
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by Patrick Allen on Mar 16, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think the Lions will draft Suh
I think that the Lions want to protect Stafford (who has already needed medical attention from the smack down he has received).
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he sure did
two seperate injuries last year, shoulder and knee i believe.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
yep, and they have a WR they like, a RB they like...makes a lot of sense to nab a LT
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They Might Not Have That RB
Kevin Smith blew out his ACL last year. But RBs are fairly easy to replace and Smith was only a 3rd rounder.
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aye, just saying the offense would be in place long term with stafford to calvin with a franchise LT
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And They Got Burleson This Offseason To Be Their WR2
I think they’re looking to build a solid offense first, then focus on D. Can’t utilize Burleson to the fullest if Stafford’s getting pummeled.
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and pettigrew
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yeah starting to be more and more convinced they go LT
Jamaal "do it all" Charles
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While Pettigrew Was A Solid Prospect
They should have gone with Oher instead last year. Line before TE.
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somewhere Stafford is setting up and AP account
and is going to rec you for that last statement!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
yeah no kidding, so its time for them to nab a LT
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I think...
they might take Best out of Cal with their 2nd too. Their defensive front doesn’t look that bad right now. If I was Detroit I would complete my offense with the first two picks. All they will have left to fill is their two CBs, FS, MLB, and depth of course.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
that was his head
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Detroit has lots of options
and lots of holes to fill, taking the BPA in Round 1 ( Suh ) doesn’t mean they don’t look for a good LT in round #2.
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Problem Is
There aren’t likely to be any good LTs in the 2nd round. It’s a shallow year for offensive players, deep for defense.
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agreed, hall
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Also agreed
It doesn’t mean they go OT in round 2.
Suh is the right pick for them. Best player in the draft.
This draft is very deep in Offensive Tackles, and who they draft in round 2 would not be much of a dropoff from Okung, so they can address that later, and Backus had a decent year for them.
I HOPE they take Okung, so that maybe, just maybe, there’s a scenario that Suh drops to #5, but can’t envision them passing suh up.
Depth
This draft is very deep in Offensive Tackles
The good ones are all projected to go with the top 25 picks. After that, the tackles are rated as 3rd round caliber players or low second round. The draft is top-heavy with tackles, but not that much depth.
and who they draft in round 2 would not be much of a dropoff from Okung
The best tackles projected to be on the board in round 2 are likely Rodger Saffold, Vladimir Ducasse, or Jared Veldheer…they represent a pretty big dropoff from Okung.
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if the Detroit Brain Trust thinks Backus is good for another 3-4 yrs, they'll likely pass on Okung
… and take Suh, then go after interior OLine (or maybe a project like Campbell) later on
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Well Ups, you blew your only real chance at drafting Okung.
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I know ... and YOU know what THAT means, BRC ... our only OBVIOUS choce is ...
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That is a funny looking picture of Berry.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
LOL ... ain't it, though!
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Spoons with teeth are funny.
I’m all like “I don’t think the person that made this got the idea”.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
i get that a grapefruit spoon has teeth, but their kinda small and danty compated to other spoons
how would you feel about a big mixing spoon, or a soup ladle?
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 16, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I know ... but the image was nice and big and clear and it was NOT a "Berry"
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It's hard to pass up Suh.
But the Lions play against the Vikings, the Packers and the Bears twice a year. They had better be damned sure of their OL, otherwise their $80 million dollar QB is going to get broken.
If it was me I’d probably have them taking Okung.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions
sounds good in theory, but would YOU pass up a beast like Suh?
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At #2?
No. Probably not.
But at #5, with the chance of a trade far more likely… I’d have to ask what I can get first. If I can’t completely commit highway robbery on some team then I’d have to say hello to the new NT for the KC Chiefs.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i mean the Lions have to play the Bears, Packers, and Vikings twice a year
Urlacher and Jared Allen alone are going to want to eat Stafford for breakfast every game if they dont get some help on that O-Line
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Hargrove is the wild card here
If the Lions sign Hargrove, I just can’t see them going after Suh or McCoy.
No news from his visit as of yet, but the Lions haven’t been letting free agents leave town so far.
I understand those of you that think Det should take Okung
It’s a valid argument, but in the end, they won’t be able to pass on one of the two best prospects of the draft.
This is absolutely who they’ll take, and I’m glad up when that direction.
... and if I hadn't, all of Pride of Detroit would be on AP calling for my head ...
… or other parts of me
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
POD is correct that their OT's aren't that bad
Their OL is a little shaky, but its interior lineman. They could go Okung, but I just don’t see them passing on a talent like Suh.
but baccus is not good, and even if you want to call him servicable, he's getting up there in the years, they need to grab that franchise LT to have their $74,000,000 qb's back.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 16, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
jake, tellya what ... go talk to the nice folks at PoD and see what they say about Backus
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I Agree With Jake
Sorry, but I think he makes a more compelling case than the wisdom of a crowd of Detroit Lions fans. :)
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Even If I Do Respect Those Fans For Supporting A Team That Bad For So Long
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oh i know
I work with two lions fans, and they think he’s not a problem. But even if you’re hell bent on keeping the guy, here’s something to consider:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/270739-detroit-lion-left-tackle-jeff-backus-is-he-really-that-bad
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 16, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
In general, bleacher report is a trash site
Just saying. There is another site, that others have mentioned, profootballfocus, that has Backus rated highly.
Also, generally the fans of a team are overly critical of the LT, and if they think he’s not the problem, after watching him every week, I’ll go with them.
As Ill keep saying, I don’t think Okung would be a bad pick for them, I just highly doubt they pass on the two elite talents of the draft. Time will tell, but as of now, I’d put it up around 90%.
by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2010 6:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yea, and that site is trash for the most part
but the little box with his stats are accurate, his sacks allowed suck. I agree that he is not near as bad as some of the other LT’s out there in other areas, like run blocking on that left side.
There are always other considerations, but for where they are and the state of the rest of their offensive line, its time. Its time to do what some aging LT’s do, move inside to guard where your mistakes and holds are more well hidden and you can rely on your technique more. The interior line in DET is awful, and that would help. Plus you are moving in your next franchise LT with papa bear still there. Dude’s 32, and I think he’ll be 33 next season. If you dont need one now, you will surely need one soon.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 17, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You have a head ?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
to get an idea of what PoD's were saying, thinking and how they voted on a couple of polls ...
http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/3/9/1365104/with-the-2nd-pick-in-the-draft-the
and
http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/3/10/1366267/with-the-2nd-pick-in-the-draft-the
see, I actually did some homework on this one …
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Those Who Are Ignorant Of History Are Doomed To Repeat Its Failures
So many, many flashbacks to last year’s mock draft. :)
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Awesome threads
I will continue reading them shortly :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Noooooooo
I wanted Suh as our big shiny new NT :(
Other than that it was a good pick for Detroit :(
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
They have a crying need for a LT
Suh might be the best player in the draft but that won’t keep Stafford in one piece, we saw this movie with David Carr.
Not a bad pick...
he will help out any team that drafts him. Doesn’t matter.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Not Suh
Lions will take Okung to protect their new pretty little QB.
Chiefs are going to surprise alot of people in 2010 !!!!
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