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Lilja Gets Three Years With The Chiefs

The one thing I was worried about when it comes to Ryan Lilja is the price tag. He was the best remaining guard available in free agency which could cause a situation where his value is over-inflated since the market is dry.

The Chiefs reportedly weren't looking to pay top dollar -- and we're still not sure if they did -- but Lilja is under contract for three years, according to Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star.

This is good thing for the Chiefs. Some of the other veterans the Chiefs have brought in have been on short-term deals with little money involved. In other words, the players they've signed in the past aren't in it for the long-haul.

Lilja appears to be a player who is in it for the long-haul.

According to 610 Sports' Chris Hamblin, there were two other teams in the bidding for Lilja -- Seattle and Houston -- and both were offering more money than the Chiefs as of yesterday.

So did Lilja take a hometown discount or did the Chiefs buck up a few, uh, bucks?

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a hometown discount. I’m sure he got a decent contract and he’s won a SB so why not come home and settle in where you’re comfortable.

by RamX21 on Mar 16, 2010 3:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

How is the Don signing all these guys for less money coming from a 4-12 team?

I get the hometown discount thing but KC is hardly hometown for TJ.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Mar 16, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Based on LT and Chester Taylors money Id have to disagree.

And he’s only 31.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Mar 16, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

LT got pretty much the same deal as TJ.

by dablueguy on Mar 16, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Value to me is different though.

Its a “what have you dont for me lately league” and based on that I would think Jones would have a much higher value.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Mar 16, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

they believe what they're selling

1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.

by BJ Kissel on Mar 16, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great point

and one I think can’t be discounted. They have the coaching staff and front office in place. Now they just need to add the right players. You (insert prospect) are one of the right players.

Following the Chiefs more than I should be between late nights at a social networking software start up.

by austinchief on Mar 16, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's explaining what the Chiefs are doing.

Probably giving them “pep talks” set to the tone of “teamwork” and “dedication” and “look at my 3 SB rings… yes, you can kiss them”.

Seriously. Pioli and Haley have a vision and they’re getting players to buy into it. I’m telling you, 2010 is going to surprise the league.

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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd wear all 3 rings when I'm wooing a peospect.

I’d bet it’s hard for a guy to take his eyes off those rings.

Kansas City Chiefs - 2020 Team of the Decade

by skunk420 on Mar 16, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

prospect

Kansas City Chiefs - 2020 Team of the Decade

by skunk420 on Mar 16, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hometown KC BBQ discount

You heard it here first. What a great selling point.

by Yashi on Mar 16, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

hopefully!

that would be two for him

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 16, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

we are close

close to be a competing team. We still need center (younger), wr #3 and te on offense. Not much, almost there!
I’d have to say def is where the picks will go in the draft. NT, ilb, safety, olb. Those 4 positions need to be giventop priority. Agree?
Then with the three 5th round picks we can add depth at o-line and db or wr.

Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Mar 16, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Id have to agree with alot of that.

Would like the younger center to be someone versatile who may be able to play guard or center if we’re going to spend a moderately high pick on them. But i hope youre right about alot of good high defensive help.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Mar 16, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as Ilike Pouncey I hope we get Walton.

He can watch for half the season as he learns from Wiegmann. As Casey starts to tire later in the season Walton takes over.

by Helmets on Mar 16, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Walton better than Pouncey 7 days a week

Pouncey is only rated so high because he can play center or guard. Walton dominates at the C position.

by RamX21 on Mar 16, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Pouncey we ain't getting him

Walton is not an immediate upgrade and get’s pushed by NT so I read.
I think maybe a Center in the 2011 draft Wisnewski or another might be a better pick

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where

did you read Walton gets pushed around by anyone???

by RamX21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

What makes you say that?

Pouncey started day 1 as a freshman on a Natl, Chmpshp team and has only gotten better. He is the best center in the draft and probably the best guard as well.

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by skunk420 on Mar 16, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

directed to Ramx21

Kansas City Chiefs - 2020 Team of the Decade

by skunk420 on Mar 16, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree

Pouncey is worth the 5 and gone well before the 36

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

is not worth

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think what i said is being misconstrued

I think Pouncey is a great player and would love to have him. I’m just saying he is rated higher because he has the versatility to play guard where as Walton probably couldn’t but Walton is a dominant player.

by RamX21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly agree but...

I think we need a wr #3 who is a wr #1. We need playmakers. On offense and defense. I think we have officially moved to a zpne blocking scheme (depth needed), which will give Cassell time to find open recievers to get the ball to. We definetly need a reciever who can stretch the field. And I’m not just saying this because I want us to draft dez bryant, I would be happy with Tate, Benn or D. Alexander (hough his knee is worrisome).

by Ray Brown on Mar 16, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats not really true

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB

by stagdsp on Mar 17, 2010 12:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This guy helped block for Darren Sproles

Those that say he cant run block…..prove it. There is too much proof of him being a solid offensive lineman!

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by Matt_Grbac on Mar 16, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Backup for Casey

The Donkeys aren’t in any rush to resign Ben Hamilton, why not put an offer on him. He worked with CW last year and it hurts the Donks in the process?

by kcdan58 on Mar 16, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow...

It’s actually a good fit. He’s another ZB’r. But I think we’ve probably reached our capacity of vet FA’s at this point. We are going to want to have at least a couple backup spots for younger guys.

I would rather have Hamilton than Niswanger, personally…but I’m guessing Niswanger’s cheaper, and Hamilton may get to go somewhere with a better chance to start.

Honestly, forgot he was a FA, he’s been with Denver…what seems like forever.

by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a thought

I personally don’t like the idea of having 1st, 2nd, 3rd year players at the center position. Needs to be a vet that has experience as a OL general. Hamilton isn’t that old. 32. I don’t see CW playing next year so essentially Hamilton can serve as our starter for the next 3-4 years while we bring up a young guy.

by kcdan58 on Mar 16, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they plan on Weigmann starting next season

Hamilton would probably be depth, and again, I think he can probably go some place with a better shot to start somewhere else. I wouldn’t mind it, though.

by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Tim Grunhard

have a kid old enough to sign. Let’s get the band back together.

by pompanokcfan on Mar 16, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

is there a

Desean Jackson in this year’s draft?

Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Mar 16, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably...

the closest thing would be Gilyard out of Cinci or McCluster out of Ole Miss.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither of those guys have Jackson's speed

They’re quick and shifty but not “burners”.

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by KCporkchop on Mar 16, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

McCluster is all of 5 foot nothin. He makes Jackson look big. There are a lot of concerns about Gilyard’s ability to take contact. So no, unless there is a hidden gem, no real Desean Jackson types.

by BinSC on Mar 16, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats...

why I said the closest things. I agree, I really don’t see him in this draft either.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

jacoby ford anyone?

Than again I guess he’s no different than quentin lawrence at this point

by irishking44 on Mar 16, 2010 6:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Lilja Gets Three Years With The Chiefs"

The headline makes it sound like he committed a crime…and that’s his sentence. j/k

by Scott B. on Mar 16, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Im thinking 3 years 6-8 mil and that works.

I do wonder if they called andra…still didnt sign with bills…

it is nice to hear though that free agents are finallly picking us over other options.

Jamaal "do it all" Charles
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Pioli will find a way to make NT a top priority

by SDChief on Mar 16, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

who's andra?

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 16, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

SIGN HIM NOW!

I see no down side to signing this guy. He is young, hungry, and has been slided by the Donks. So he’ll have a giant chip on his shoulder while having insight into their schemes.

by kcdan58 on Mar 16, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

just signed with buffalo, said its a done deal on PFT...

Jamaal "do it all" Charles
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Pioli will find a way to make NT a top priority

by SDChief on Mar 16, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check that...

Andra Davis signs with the Bills…:(

by kcdan58 on Mar 16, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Too bad

However, it is for the best. Did we really need another aging LB anyways?

by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 16, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wouldn't...

have been an upgrade over Mays. They are the same type of player. Decent tackler, and a liability in the pass.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome back Ryan Lilja.

Classy move taking the hometown over the money, especially since we are the same team that stupidly cut you when you were a rookie. Welcome back!

by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 16, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I keep hearing people say this

fact is it is simply not true. Lilja was not cut by the Chiefs his rookie year. lilja was an undrafted free agent that the Chiefs placed on the practice squad, remember that year 2004 we had what was considered the best line in the NFL so pracice squad is no big surprise there. The Colts came in and signed him off our practice squad…..he was never cut.

by Tigkoly on Mar 17, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

He didn’t make the team, and had to be put on waivers. That is basically getting cut. To Ryan, I’m sure he felt like he got ‘cut.’

The fact that they told him they wanted to put him on the practice squad I’m sure softened the blow, but at the time it was probably the difference between an NFL minimum salary of like $275k and something like $50k for the practice squad.

I promise you he was happy when he heard the Colts (or anyone) had picked him up, because it meant he’d be getting real NFL game checks.

by kcsno56 on Mar 17, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good Deal!

I just regained some of the faith I had temporarily lost in Pioli. I have no problems with who he has brought in, in FA, but we needed a couple of Pro Bowl caliber, long term players, that will continualy help this team improve and work with our fairly young core of young players, not just some short term fixes, and to build some depth, but guys that will have a major impact. Lilja fits that mold, and from what I’ve read “fits the right 53” that Pioli and Haley always mention. I know alot of Colts fans , and even players, are not happy that the Colts released him, which tells you something about his character and talent. I think our young group of players is underrated, and there still may be a few who prove they can be valuable contributors to the team. I like Magee, Gilberry, Albert, O’Callahan, Nkwuyde, Studebaker, Mays, Page, Jackson, Dorsey, Flowers, Bowe, Charles, DJ, Cottam (i’m sure I missed a few), and we still have hope that players like Colin Brown can contribute, and even Barry Richardson. There are even some names on our roster, I’’m not real familair with, that may even show up. There has been signs of potential in all of the players I mentioned, and with improved coaching, who knows how much they will improve this season. That is why you build through the draft, and we will have a real good idea of if the strategy is beginning to pay off this season. Some will not be around, but I think a good share of them will play a part of this team in years to come. They all were victims of a new system on both offense and defense last season, and had to adjust to a coach that demanded discipline and a team first mentallity. Let’s see how many of our young guys drastically improve this season, with Haley, Pioli and the rest of the staff now having a year to evaluate them. We can’t totally overlook the young talent that is already on the roster, and the role these players will play in who we bring in as Free Agents, and how we run our draft. As Haley stated: " The worse is over."

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by Racyman on Mar 16, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Nice thoughts and rec

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOO so it is official

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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 16, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes for you since you all wanted him.

He is also a good player and I didn’t want him to leave really. He is good but struggled this season cause of lingering injury.

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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 16, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well we got Broncos fans

we can certainly welcome a Colts fan.
Can’t change the past :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok I have to do this...

what are the chances the Chiefs try and move Waters now?

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

As I've said before...

If the Chiefs were going to try and move Waters, they would’ve done it before last weekend when they paid him a $2 mil roster bonus. They are a very frugal organization, and if they traded Waters now, that’s $2 mil they essentially flushed down the toilet.

by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Colts...

paid Lilja his bonus before he got released. Maybe they are frugal, but I don’t they are heartless bastards and would snub a class act like Brian like that. He’s earned that money.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bonus to Lilja, was guaranteed...

And technically, that ‘roster bonus’ is seen as part of the next year’s salary. So it’s not really snubbing a guy to not pay it any more than it is to cut him and not pay him his salary for that next season.

The main point is, if you’re going to trade him, you would do it before paying the roster bonus so the team getting his services for that year would pay for his services for that year.

Lilja isn’t a good example b/c they didn’t have a choice, they would’ve paid him whether he was cut or not.

by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

if they're do a bonus

and the team cuts him just so they don’t have to pay it, that’s snubbing. especially if they cut him and then try to resign him without the bonus, ala TJ. just because they can do something doesn’t make it right

by E.C. on Mar 16, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just read on the Colts blog

That they (Colts) are trying to go with bigger linemen. Which appears to be the case considering who they picked up.

by Supersport on Mar 16, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a class act by the Colts to pay Lilja

not so much the Jets and TJ thus they bought an ad to repair their image.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, i've heard that

not really sure what that has to do with my comment though

by E.C. on Mar 16, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

the colts paid Lilja his bonus because

he agreed to restructure his contract last year to help the Colts with their salary cap. Part of that agreement was to move the salary he cut into a roster bonus, so in this case the roster bonus was actually for the previous year and that is why the Colts paid it before cuting him. Not class or respect, but a verbal contractual agreement that they honored.

by Tigkoly on Mar 17, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is completely common.

And typically when players do this, the roster bonus becomes guaranteed. Are you saying you have proof that the roster bonus was not guaranteed and it was just a verbal agreement? This would be highly unusual, and a poor job by Lilja’s agent if so.

by kcsno56 on Mar 17, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

They can't gaurantee it in the contract

other than saying if they are on the roster at this date it gets paid. The verbal agreement was that it would be paid, meaning they would not cut him before that date. If you think about the concept of restructuring your contract to help with cap money and a team puting that money into a roster bonus for the next year and then gauranteeing it no matter what in writing…well I think the league would have legal issues with that and count the roster bonus on the previous year’s salary cap. (Which would just counter the entire reworking of a contract for cap purposes altogether.)

by Tigkoly on Mar 17, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I pretty much agree with you, and don’t think Waters would garner anything more than a conditional 6th rounder at this stage, but just to play devils advocate, the paying of the bonus actually ups his worth and might make him easier to trade.

by dablueguy on Mar 16, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

a little inside info...

I heard from a friend that I trust that Ryan was building a house in the op area and is tying the knot this summer in kc so I wouldn’t be surprised If he took a discount to stay @ home.

That being said, I’m damn glad to have him on the chiefs, lots on experience…winning experience, which can’t be over looked. Winning is contagious, being around peyton doesn’t hurt either. The OL is shaping up!

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Mar 16, 2010 5:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Am I stupid or..

don’t t he skills that made Lilja a good pass blocker translate into a zone blocking scheme? The only knock I’ve heard on him is that he was weak on run blocking.

by pompanokcfan on Mar 16, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Good assignments blocker and takes good angles

not much lead in his shorts for mauling people. So yes, he can zone block.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 16, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

and Maul :)

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The lineman that we are picking up

tells us that the Chiefs are definitely going to go zone blocking.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 16, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like it

since I hear that we used to do that very well with some very good lineman in the past

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We actually want O-lineman that can dance well

slide their dance partner a little bit left or right while JC and or TJ shoot through a hole

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

still Bewsaf do you feel that Haley's offense is radical on the Parcells offensive tree?

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The zone blocking deal is a change

I am getting the feel that Haley, along with his circumstances, is defining himself as a coach. Setting himself apart.

I bet there will still be a lot of core things that are the same though.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Mar 16, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

ive been at work all day today thinking about whether we signed Lilja or Not today?
all these starting-line scenarios in my head, ha!
as soon as i got home first thing i did… YES!! we got a starting Gaurd of the future now

by Tipzz on Mar 16, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

so did we basically just trade...

alleman for lilja? i’ll take that any day.

by MountainManMike on Mar 17, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

not a bad deal at all

So, you could expand that and say we got Lilja and Ndukwe for a 6th…

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB

by stagdsp on Mar 17, 2010 12:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

According to the KC Star (don't know if anyone has posted this yet)

deal is for 3 years, 7.5 million
…seems like a great deal to me! GO CHIEFS

by CHIEFin on Mar 17, 2010 2:15 AM CDT reply actions  

This off season is looking very successful

Thomas Jones is a good complementary workhorse back. Lilja a great signing, two new coordinators, Eric Berry on the horizon, a linebacker and tackle in round two?, and a possible steal of Denario Alexander in 3.

Is it safe?

by KHAZAD on Mar 17, 2010 3:57 AM CDT reply actions  

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