Chiefs Make It Official Signing Ryan Lilja
by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2010 1:44 PM CDT
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PrintWell I run out of the "office" for a few minutes and the Kansas City Chiefs sign Ryan Lilja.
Yes, you read that right. The Chiefs signed Lilja.
This is a great move for the Chiefs. Lilja is young (28), qualified and from the Kansas City area.
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welcome home ryan lilja
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
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Point of order...
I don’t think the Chiefs would have signed him, had he not been able to pass their physical. This should put that rumor to rest.
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THIS IS OUR BEST PICKUP THIS OFFSEASON
a young guard, who has played in 2 super bowls (1 win), played for one of the greatest QBs, and is a hometown guy. Win win situation
I hope he's good. I don't remember him at all. I'm just excited that everyone else is excited.
that makes me feel like he is probably a good thing.
if Kray is excited, then I'm excited!
What’s all the excitement?
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it means we have two damn good guards now!
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With Niswanger providing fairly solid C/G depth
We need another tackle.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy wasn't at all solid last year, how would be be solid THIS year? even as backup ...
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solid may be a bit strong
but he’d be a good backup and many people have been itching to see him get some snaps at guard, where ()maybe() he’d be better suited.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its going to be
Alberts, Lilja, Wiegman, Waters, O’Call
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and remember too, those two guys have time and experience together as LG-C
knowing what the other guy is gonna do, where he’s gonna be, how he’s gonna react, etc … that’s a HUGE plus for the OLine … Waters will stay at LG … IMNSHO
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I think Haley and Pioli
Proved last year that ‘earned’ has nothing to do with anything.
If they want him at RG, he’ll be at RG.
And personally, I think he’s a much better fit at RG at this point in his career, and maybe more importantly, Lilja’s probably not a good fit at RG.
I agree.
How long will Waters be around? Id say two years max, his play was on the decline last year IMO. Id rather put Lilja at LG and have Waters at RG or maybe even center depending on how camp and preseason turns out. This isn’t just about next year, this is about the future as well. We will have to build the chemisty between Albert and Lilja at some point, might as well be now.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Waters played Center
In NFL Europe and started for Weigmann one game when he was hurt with the Chiefs.. Then Waters got his shot at LG.
wiegman has the starting streak
So I don’t think he started for him, but point taken.
by just a guy on Mar 16, 2010 2:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to see Waters get a shot at Center as well
And I wonder if Wiegmann wouldn’t do better at Guard than Center. I think Waters would do much better at taking on a NT than Wiegmann. Mitch Holthus said on the Red Zone he thought KC should take a look at Waters at Center as well. It’s going to be interesting to see what they do along the line.
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I don't think it matters
They are both old and not the long term answer. I’d leave them at the positions they are used to playing and mold the younger guys. Put Lilja at RG and leave Waters/Weigman right where they are at and get some young prospects to groom behind those two.
Typically both a guard and center take on the NT
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure about saying he was on the decline.
Maybe, but don’t forget about that nasty ankle injury he played all year on. Makes him a step or two slower on top of his age, and likely caused a few of the penalties he picked up in ‘09. You could be right, but it’s hard for me to say at least.
Totally agree
Then just having the line play together as a group over time will help as well instead of playing ‘musical tackles’ like we did last year.
if waters was to move anywhere it would have been C. signing wiegman pretty much assured that won’t happen
by RamX21 on Mar 16, 2010 3:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't be so sure about the Wiegman signing.
While i think he has something left in the tank, lets not get ahead of ourselves here. We brought in quite a few vets last offseason and most of those didn’t make it through the preseason. I am trying to stay grounded and not get my hopes to high.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
I think for now they will say RG, I would think they won't say much else till camp
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
right. they will control that, they don't need him demanding a trade
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
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it's starting to look that way yeah?
I wonder if we could still squeeze the third and fifth Buffalo offered last year
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Ok that raises the discussion right there then SD Chief.
I will throw up a fanshot with that question. That will rock, I’ll get some good info then. cooool
I'm NaNz
and I approve this move
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 16, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Very nice!
I downloaded a Borat sound board app on my droid.. my girlfriend hates it.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 16, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetness!!!
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I Think he is going to be RG
It would be something like this:
Albert – Waters – Wiegmann – Lija – O’Callaghan
It looks like a solid O-Line
might be a good idea
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Lilja is too small to play RG
and Brian Waters was an amazing RG back when we had the “dream team” for an O line
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I thought he was LEFT side
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Shields
was the RG for the dream team. Waters has always been LG.
thank you ... and from Looney's post ...
Here’s how the Chiefs lined up along the offensive front on Opening Day in 2004:
LT – Willie Roaf
LG – Brian Waters
C – Casey Wiegmann
RG – Will Shields
RT – John Welbourne
major kudos to JacinB on the link for that (below)
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the backup line spoke volumes about why we are where we are now...we had no depth...no plan for a future...
we needed to win in that 03 season…didnt happen, and that was that
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Waters was an amazing RG???
busted! {{grin}}
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by upamtn on Mar 16, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yikes!
I was young and reckless! Why do I remember him playing RG?
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hallucinogens ... they do that to ya {{grin}}
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Looney doesn't have a clue
No disrespect…but they’re not going to come out and move Waters via a Looney ‘Chiefs Live’ session.
It’ll come in camp if its going to happen.
this is true...no reason to stir the pot, you say RG because no one is at RG...makes sense for now
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Meh.
RG is where we have a need. RG is probably where he’s going to play.
Waters is a Pro Bowl quality LG whose always played LG. They’re not going to move him.
Lilja has played LG much of his career also.. The question is this.. How good of a pulling run blocker is Lilja?
... or the question is???
How good is Brian Waters at pulling… the answer not very good at all.
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He's not a probowler any more
And it really wouldn’t matter if he was.
It’s not his say, he’ll play where Haley/Weis think the team will be the best.
His body type (and age) is more suited for RG now.
It’s not a certainty, but don’t be surprised at all.
Lilja’s never played RG either, you know.
kcsnow, a little hatin' on Man of the Year there, huh
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I like him.
And I was on here defending him last year when everyone was taking a dump on the guy for the whole ‘demanded a meeting BS.’
But I think we learned from that, that if they want him at RG, he’ll be at RG.
You also have a long quote from Haley talking about how versatile Waters is, and that they can essentially put him anywhere on the line. To think that we won’t move him, if our best lineup has Lilja at LG and Waters at RG…because he has ‘earned’ it…that’s not the way this team operates now.
either way...
Better than last year
Albert/waters/niswanger/goff/sackintosh (ndukwe)
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
by stagdsp on Mar 16, 2010 1:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still amazed Cassel the Eagles game behind that line
I was SO sure he would get a season ending injury because of that line
Predictions:
This year will be better
yeah no kidding...that was brutal
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Hopefully this FINALLY shelves all the talk abbout drafting a LT at #5 and moving Albert. It was never going to be done, and I hope now, with these moves, everyone sees that, and moves on to realistic options at #5. Berry, McClain, Williams, Some Pass rusher that fall in love with, Suh if he miraculously drops.
Should draft best player available
regardless of position. Look at Minnesota when they had Taylor and drafted AP.
i agree with dablueguy
if there is no player in a position of need even near your picking spot, then yes you take the best player available.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
The Lilja and Wiegmann signings do not affect our tackle situation
None of those guys play tackle. We still need at least one decent tackle. All we have is Albert and O’Cal.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
two decent tackles
last I remembered only two tackles start on an O line
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they both are pretty good tackles with a possible bright future from both...we also have richardson
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Richardson will forever be a backup
he just never put it together because of his work ethic
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right, but hes a fine backup...and we have 2 solid starters...which cant be said for many other positions
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
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Albert was so-so at LT.
O’cal was a great surprise at RT, but not anything special (yet?) compared to the average NFL starter. So we have two so-so guys and a less than so-so backup. Thinking we are all set at Tackle is a huge mistake, imho.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Albert has only played the LT position for 2 years and learning the position at the NFL level also.. Most players are given a 3 year grace period, but for some reason many around here refuse to give Albert the same sort of time to develop.
I agree that Albert and O'Cal can continue to get better
And even be very good starters, but assuming that WITH ABSOLUTELY NO DEPTH, is a mistake, i believe
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW, i never claimed we HAVE to use our 1st pick on OT
Just that we need another Tackle
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough
I agree that another OT would be good…just NOT in the first round
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
by stagdsp on Mar 16, 2010 3:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But I kinda doubt doing profoundly well at tackle below the 2nd, and even a 2nd is a RT who may be LT one day..
… thing and NOT an instant upgrade over Albert, although a 2nd-round tackle is probably better depth outta the gate than any of the clowns KC currently has in the wings.
People don't look past the starters, seems like.
And people seem to want dominant G more than dominant tackle, and as much faith I have in both KC’s starting tackles, I’m still on the look-out for an upgrade.
Anthony Davis ... can he play RG? or I'd love Walton at C ...
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He had a bad start
Didn’t he give up 0 sacks the last 8 games, and had a very solid rookie season. He lost a lot of weight and had to relearn how to play the position technically sound much lighter. I think he got better with time. I just hope they are able to establish the starters early so they can play together and get comfortable. Not like last year with the merry-go-round of starters.
Funny thing
Vermeil/Peterson/Edwards screwed up our O Line future
Pioli Begins to build it back again.
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But
we need to bring in young guys to learn. We’ve added exprerience but with that comes age.
yeah, Edwards screwed it up by taking Brandon Albert ...
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Albert
is good. But we still need a franchise left tackle.
How about this
Okung – Waters – Wiegmann – Lilja – Albert
????
ahhhh ... I wouldn't say he's "way better" than Okung
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I said better, not “way” better. But even if they were equal, or if Okung is slightly better, which is doubtful, at least immediately, we don’t have the luxury of drafting depth at LT with #5 when there are actual needs, and actual potentially good to great players in Berry, McClain, Suh, to fill those one of those needs.
well would you agree that
berry>page/mcgraw
more than
okung>albert
The other big assumption alot of people are making is that the two teams that may be interested in a left tackle will not pick him. if they do then were are looking at the 2nd or 3rd lt in the draft.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 16, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
so we would probably be more accurate to say
is it better to have bulaga or davis over albert.
So now these two are going to take a couple years to develop in to new positions, and then we’re waiting again for starters. Leave albert at LT, get people behind positions we need, like center, left guard, right guard (becaue those needs will arise first) and then get depth for tackles late in the draft.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 16, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
OR...
Okung could be as good as Clady, and come right in and dominate.
Just being the devils advocate. Albert could also step right over to RT and be dominant there. Maybe they’d let him play closer to his natural weight there, who knows.
Clady flat out sucked in year 2
He was great as a rookie, I don’t know what happened. But in 2009 Clady made Tamba Hali look like Demarcus Ware
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Sucked?
Wrong.
Hali did have a great game against him, I’ll say that. But Clady is still a top 5 LT right now in the NFL, no doubt.
I bet if KC took the best RT @ 2a or 2b that O'Callaghan would be in a battle for his starting life...
… and KC would immediately have better options should either of Albert or O’Callaghan be injured, than they have right now.
I'll trust Pioli/Weis assessment
And when you say he’s better than Okung, it makes me not trust yours, no disrespect.
This is coming from a guy who doesn’t want to draft Okung.
I actually
agree here. I think if Pioli and co. want Albert at LT then he’s the guy. I really want Berry at 5. Cody or Cam Thomas with 2a
and if they decide to get Okung, then HE'S the guy
just sayin’
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How about..
No.. Albert has never played on the right side..
I though o'call did a fine job this year
why not let him continue and pick up a rt later in the draft and work him in? Albert moving to RT would be a mistake. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think that move is typically very successful.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 16, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there is less chance of Okung getting to pick 5 then Suh.
Suh is the cream of the crop for tackle and he will be gone. 2 or 4 will take him.
Herm screwed it up by
not drafting/acquiring anyone after Roaf retired, followed by not drafting anyone after Shields retired. Only yet another year later did he draft someone.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
and how do we know that he didn't WANT to? first two years he was here, Herm had no control on the draft ...
… that was ALL in King Carl’s hands …
Herm didn’t get any say in things til 2008 … our best draft in forever, btw
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meant Herm+Peterson
I don’t know how you can claim “we dont’ know that” then claim you know Herm had control of the 2008 draft… weird.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant that Herm might very well WANTED to draft OLine in 2006 and/or2007
… and WE don’t know that HE didn’t want to … what we DO know is that Peterson had control of the drafts both those years and continued to bring in older vets while Herm was begging/pleading to rebuild the team thru the draft
and WE DO know that after 2007, Herm sat down with Clark Hunt and Clark agreed that yes, the team DID need to be “blown up” and start over from scratch … and THAT conversation led to the 2008 draft (arguably the best in Chiefs history) … a draft where yes, Herm pretty much WS in control of who we went after … which was a mjor factor in Peterson’s retirement announcement near the end of 2008 season
and WE know this because it’s been well documented over the years in KC Star articles (and has been brought up many times this past season)
ask around, do a google search … you’ll find it … I’m not making it up, ok?
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You do realize that was ONE STORY FABRICATED BY KENT BABB, right?
He said that “theory” of how things happened with no evidence, no quotes, no sources, etc. It has been denied by EVERYONE In the chiefs organization, including HERM HIMSELF, even after being fired.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to agree
while I was excited about Dorsey I wanted Clady instead, then a DE at 16
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All World?
Don’t get me wrong, I liked Allen, but that’s a bit of a stretch.
And his best season thus far in his career was his final season in KC.
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there's no other DE i'd rather have had over the last 3--4 years
this equals ALL WORLD
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldnt play in a 3-4 anyway
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
PV tried this argument with me awhile back
Saying Allen has ‘regressed’ since he left KC, bc he had 15.5 sacks the year he left and technically has had less the last two seasons. Well he’s had 14.5 both years and only one player in the NFL has more since he left.
There aren’t two DE’s you’d take over him, or at least most GM’s would take over him, that makes him all-world.
by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2010 7:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah I remember last year he spent so much time just watching the OL according to the camp reports
then went, added a few through the fins trade, and basically cleaned house…
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Very heppi
Lilja is an excellent acquisition, in my opinion. Wiegmann may not be the ultimate answer at center anymore, but between him and Lilja, KC ought to be able to round out a solid four with Albert and Waters.
Think Fraley’s off the table? I wouldn’t think he’d be a priority at this point.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions
was just gonna say ... I think he's WAY off the table
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As far as contracts go yes
as far as sustaining fat ass status no
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wonder if we bring in tye hill, I know we had interest before,, just got cut...i know, bust
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3 year deal according to NFL.com
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/16/chiefs-ol-lilja-agree-to-three-year-deal/
No clue on the $$$, but I’m sure Pioli probably had to dish some out for this guy.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
Notice how...
Pioli isn’t gun shy about larger contracts but when he does spend money he gets his money’s worth.
Holding criticism for Cassel, but the contract is structured well enough to avoid a big loss. Plus, hey, we had the cap room to find out.
looks that so far ... in theory ... see how it all shakes out though
cuz ya never know
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RT and LT are sooooooo different
It was a learning experience for him to move from LG to LT, image having to take all that instinct and reverse it.
Try playing Xbox with the Dpad on the right and the buttons on the left. I’ll start a CoD game up.
Sorry to be a voice of sanity
But the transition from RT to LT or LT to RT is extremely common in the NFL.
The only difference is it usually happens in reverse. Teams draft a young OT, start him at RT for a couple years then once he’s comfortable move him to LT.
Please stop with the talk that Albert ’can’t’ play RT, it only makes you sound naive.
Also, most teams’ backup OT is a ‘swing’ tackle that can play either positions. This wouldn’t be the case if the positions were as different as some of you suggest.
And again…this is coming from someone that wants Berry. It’s like everyone’s opinion is so black or white here. It’s ok to want your guy (maybe Berry or McClain or whoever) and not think that everyone who wants a different guy or position is an idiot.
Ya because Damion Sacintosh was an amazing RT
and should never have been released because of his pure awesomeness.
Sacintosh fyi has always been a better LT than he has played at RT. So I’d have to disagree with you on this….
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What are you talking about?
I never said Sackintosh was good.
He’s just one of many, many OT that have switched between the right and left side. So because one of them sucked at one side (and I disagree with your assessment that he was better at LT) but whatever, b/c one of them sucked on one side, you think you’ve proven a point?
What about all the others?
I have no idea, but would like someone to explain it to me
If that was the point raven, my bad!
Hey, thanks, CMatthews.
I'm sure I'll remember that.
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I dont know either,
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by motrepip on Mar 16, 2010 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This draft is deep
in line positions. This allows us to go for E. Berry in the first round. I really like this pick up for many reason. I think as much as i like Brian Waters we should trade him and get an extra pick, move Albert to Guard and Lijia and him will sure that position up for the next 5 or so years. Then you take the extra draft picks and find some tackles.
All of the experts don't think that this years draft is deep in offensive line talent...
but very deep in safety talent. I’m not against the Berry pick, but I wouldn’t argue with Okung being the pick either.
I think our best options are Okung, Berry and Bryant at #5.
Deep in decent talent sure
…but the Blue Chip gamebreaker talent probably doesn’t got any deeper than 10 guys. I’m not even sure if Okung belongs in that group as the main reason he’s being projected in the top 5 is mostly because of team needs. You don’t see mock draft justifications for Okung saying anything about him being an elite talent and one of the greatest players in the draft. It’s that he’s the best OT in the draft and this team really needs one. Guys like Berry and Suh are being touted as the best overall talent in the draft.
Exactly right.
So you can prob’ly secure blue-chip RT/RG with top RT in the 2nd. As long as you’re not counting on LT upgrade (at least, not directly), you at least upgrade the right side and likely get a better starting RT as well as better quality at swing tackle, which O’Callaghan likely becomes.
I was under the impression that it was a deep OL class
Maybe not at guys who can start at LT day 1, but there are some guys available in the 4th+ who should be able contribute. Jerry, Petrus, Black, Estes, Newhouse, Olsen, Carter, Fox, Calloway – All projected at 4th or later
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
Most of those guys are projected to be guards also.
I think we can get a guard later but tackle will be another story. I like Fox and Calloway for depth.
True - But I like Albert and O'call as tackles
But depth is a concern, I’m sure there is a plan, and a pretty good one at that
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
And that competition should bring out the best in O'call.
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
Okung was a 4 year starter and gave up 1 sack.
You’re right Bajah this is probably a deeper draft for interior O line talent than it is for the O Tackles (left or right). It looks like we’ve addressed our interior line concerns through FA. I think we’ll draft an O lineman in the 5th for depth.
I'd just like to build continuity
Have these guys spend some time together and learn how to play next to each other.
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
Continuity is great, but individual QUALITY is the key.
That old “they’ve been together a long time” thing is more a “They’re all experienced and all can do their jobs” thing. Willie Roaf INSTANTLY made the O-Line better, for instance. Getting that continuity is more (imo) a matter of the one or two guys who are struggling finally figuring out how it’s done. It correlates with continuity of personnel, but I seriously doubt it’s as causal as many people think. Just a popular myth that the camaraderie amongst long-time teammates does nothing to dispel.
Bring in the starting Pro Bowl O-Line, and in 15 minutes, they’re playing better together as a unit than KC’s line last year in December…
true
I’m not saying that 5 average OL together for 6 years make them a great OL. But it is a factor.
And correct me if I’m wrong but didnt the chiefs have waters, weigman, and shields already before Roaf?
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
Kcsno56
that move can destroy carrers, just becasue you can make the switch easily in Madden 10 does not mean it is that easy in real life. Ask anyone who has played the game and they will tell you the same thing.
But I do agree we need to draft Berry.
I played in college, bro
Oher, btw, played RT last year, he’s moving to LT this year. That was just the most recent occurance.
The Rams Jason Smith played RT last year, the plan is to move him to LT soon.
No disrespect, but make sure you’re on point if you’re going to call me out for not knowing the game.
And Albert played LG in college
Yet, if you listen to many on this site, he is now an NFL LT and only LT b/c that is the only position he’s played in the NFL.
So Rowdy, I’m guessing that you’re under the opinion that Albert could play LG or LT but not RT?
The difference between G and T is so much bigger than the difference between LT and RT. I’m not saying there isn’t a transition, but Albert with an offseason, Albert would be fine.
And let me say again I am in favor of taking Berry. I’m just realistic, and won’t cry if I don’t get exactly who I want. I understand the logic behind many different choices.
neither of these has happened yet
So they aren’t great examples, plus the Rams are desperate. Not saying you’re wrong, but come up with some successful transitions, rather than future possibilities that may never pan out. Also, ten yard penalty for use of bro, bro. :)
by just a guy on Mar 16, 2010 3:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
All I am saying
is that the switch is not common but not unheard of either, it does not always work out. And Just a Guy you are wrong it is a 15 yard penalty for unnecessary use of a outdated (which was never cool to say to another person) references :)
Examples
Homie, ace, G, bro, guess you missed the successful examples that have happened: John Tait and Staley are two.
Clady played right and left tackle at Boise.
Vernon Carey has played both. Stinchcomb.
If I had more time, I could come up with more. It is actually very, very common. Most commonly, it happens when a team is grooming a guy to move to the left side. They start him out on the right side where they face relatively less talented pass rushers.
Sackintosh, Jordan Black, John Tait
If you need a KC reference…
All moved between LT and RT.
If you need more examples, let me know.
I have one for you
Albert and Macintosh granted Macintosh was never great; he was serviceable until he was moved to the opposite side. So if you would like to keep listing we could do that. And I did not say that it never happens just that it is not as common as you think. And sure you played college ball, this is why you know SO MUCH about the game. And by the way all the guys you listed did not do so well once they switched positions, sorry.
Tait didn't do well on both sides?
What about Oher? What about Joe Staley?
Do you read all the comment or just the first few words?
I am saying it is not as common as you make it out to be, but some, some have made the move and been good. But it is two different positions, and just becasue you can play one side does not mean you can play the other, that is like saying just becasue someone can play tennis well right handed, they are just as good left handed. Come on man think about it, you are Mr. Football
Besides
He’s comfy at LG, LT was brand new to him last year, another switch to yet another position on a new kid doesn’t really sound like a good coaching decision.
You want a guy that can play multiple positions on your bench, not anchoring your line.
Last year was his 2nd year at LT
I’m just saying it’s an option. Again, not my 1st choice.
The point of all this when it started, was that people need to look at this stuff as gray and not black or white. If someone wants Okung, they aren’t an idiot. There is an argument to be made for taking him.
hey...
It’s a little unfair to try and talk sh8t that I’m acting like I’m Mr. Football, when you called me out originally by saying:
Ask anyone who has played the game and they will tell you the same thing.
If it makes you feel cool, by all means, go right ahead, I don’t care. Just kind of a d8ck move. I was just telling you that I did, in fact play the game.
I would feel cool regardless
dont take it to heart man, just trying to have a conversation here, but I will lay off the name calling if it upsets you.
Doesn't upset me at all
Just think you can do better. Bait and switch.
I can do it
My name calling book is a little outdated though. What does poppycock even mean?
Nice move by the Chiefs
Unless it was a mega deal, I see another great deal by Scott Pioli for our team.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
I would think 3 years 7.5-8 mil
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Remember when just about everyone on here was freaking out
because it was going to be another boring FA offseason. Then Copper, Vrabel, Chambers, Urban, Jones, Smith, Weigman, and now Lilja. We seemed to have signed some guys that will help and have given ourselves ALL kinds of options for the draft.
Trust in Pioli, you don’t bring in a guy to fix something and then question the way he is going to go about his business. Go Chiefs!
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
not everyone!
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
"just about" :) not the sd guys
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
I havent been this hyped for a 2nd round in awhile...prob since flowers..some serious talent will be sitting there..
and for once we don’t have to worry about a turk mcbride type pick
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
We cant get any worse.
Ill take him. Hes young and can be molded.
molded into what?
Say a starting O-Lineman on a SB team?
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Or anything else
People here have him playing everything but the clarinet at this point. ;)
I actually had him penciled in as our starting Clarinetist this season
but I dunno if he’ll start this year. He might just challenge for the startingf spot, or maybe we can throw in some dual clarinetist formations…
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
Sweeeeeet!
So this means he would take over RG? Would he take over LG after Waters retires?
True and Valuable Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
(which for the most part we are currently loosing).
nice move!
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
Anyone else worry about why the Colts cut Lilja??
While this does seem like a good move, it bothers me why Indy would let go of an lineman who is still fairly young and has been a part of their team for some time. Is there something going on here that we don’t know about? Some injury?
I think it’s starting to look more and more like the Chiefs are going to draft McClain from Alabama or Berry from Tennessee with the #5 pick…
I guess we have to trust Pioli has done his homework and that Lilja is ready to go, but it still doesn’t explain why the Colts let him go….
I think Polian's crew thought he was lacking consistency.
I think, for once, though, Indy faced teams in rapid succession (NYJ, NWO) who showed no respect for the myth-that-is-Manning. Don’t expect them to get a whole lot wrong in putting together O-Line, but with the weapons KC didn’t have last season, we probably underestimated our O-Line quality, because teams (Philly, in particular) could just load up the blitz, without worrying about anybody gettin’ open in a hurry or making the catch if they DID get open.
LJ wasn’t great in protections and he was too slow outta the blocks to be an effective safety valve.
And as good as that rookie crew of wideouts was for Indy, it was NOT like having a young Marvin Harrison lined up wide.
All that being said, I’m ALSO worried that Polian got it right in releasing Lilja, and KC got it wrong. They were pretty obstinate about Mike Goff as a respected FA signing…
And finally, it’s very likely that Indy feels they can get as good or better in a deep draft on the right side and interior of their line, by spending a 2nd or a 3rd or a 4th…
Good move to get Lilja
KC line now:
LT Fat Albert
LG Water
C Casey
RG Lilja
RT O’Callighan
Decent line
After the draft:
LT Beluga or Okung
LG Lilja
C Pouncey
RG Iupati
RT Alberts
TE Waters (back to his original position as a blocking TE)
Now, with that line KC could dominate
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
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