And now, for something completely unexpected...
by DivineGrace on Mar 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT
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PrintBefore last years draft everyone was talking about our Chiefs taking Aaron Curry with our #3 overall pick. Pioli instead did the completely unexpected (by all but a FEW) and drafted Tyson Jackson with the #3 pick.
This year everyone is talking about our Chiefs taking Russell Okung, Brian Bulaga, or the AP concencious Eric Berry with our # 5 overall pick. I think there is a chance that Pioli does the completely unexpected again THIS year and drafts....
Dan Williams (NT - Tennessee)
Why would the "Don" make such a pick? Well, I can give you a list of reasons...
- Pioli wants to build this team from the lines out. The most important positionin the 3-4 Defense is the NT and while the Shaun Smith signing would indicate that this position has already been addressed, he is 28 years old and will one day need to be replaced. (It is said that linemen take 3 years to develop, and if we DO draft Dan Williams with our first round pick Shaun Smith will be 31 years old just as Mr. Williams starts to hit his stride)
- Dan Williams at # 5 is less of a reach this year, then Tyson Jackson was with the #3 pick last year.
- Last season a lot of mock drafts had the Denver Donkeys taking Tyson Jackson with their #12 overall pick but were never given the chance because Pioli ganked him with our #3 overall pick.
This season many of the same mock drafts have Dan Williams going to the Donkeys with their #11 overall pick but I think there is a chance Pioli will rob them once again of their D-Line addition of choice. - Pioli has a history of Building his teams D-Line with first round draft picks
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1st pick 2001 draft (6th overall pick): Richard Seymour
1st pick 2003 draft (13th overall pick): Ty Warren
1st pick 2004 draft (21st overall pick): Vince Wilfork
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1st pick 2009 draft (4th overall pick): Tyson Jackson
Will Dan Williams be the Kansas City Chiefs 2010 first round draft pick???
I don't know.
Will it shock me Scott Pioli takes Dan Williams with our #5 overall first round draft pick???
If Scott Pioli agrees with the "draft experts" who have Williams ranked as the "top" NT in the 2010 draft, considering Pioli builds from the lines out, is willing to "reach" in the first round for D-Linemen (Tyson Jackson), and has a history of building his D-Line with first round draft picks....I would say the possibility is there!
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We had #3 last year..not 4
Not so sure talking about Dan is unexpected ; )
Pretty good write up though
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
You are right about #3...
…I have updated the post. Thank you for the heads up/ feedback.
by DivineGrace on Mar 16, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It could definitely happen
I wouldn’t be completely unhappy about it either
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I wouldn't be upset if we used 2 of our 1st 3 picks on NT!
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waste to pick 2 that high when we have holes to fill
somebody’s been drinking too much kool-aid
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
And it looks like you're just plain drinking too much ;)
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't be at all "unexpected" in my book ...
the only thing I “expec” is for Pioli, Haley, Weis, Crennel and a boatload of scouts to be hashing things out til the final second, including working the trade possibilities, followed by Pioli eventually coming to SOME decision and either trading down OR taking the player that HE thinks will be the best value and right choice for the team …
Okung if he’s there, Suh if he’s there, McCoy if he’s there, Williams, Berry, Claussen ,,, Spoon (I had to) … any of a ton of players out there … I “expect” Pioli to figure it out regardless of what any of us think/feel/believe/want
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If Berry is there when we pick, and we go Williams...
…most of the Berry , Berry, Man Crush fans would say the pick was “unexpected”. Am-I-Right?
I hope we can trade down with at team like Browns, grab an extra pick(s), and STILL piler Denvers NT of the future from them.
IMO, it doesn’t matter who we take in the first round they will be a Pro-Bowler…because Scott Pioli selected them (tips hat to Lanier63).
I think we all know NT is a major need
It’s just that not many of us see an NT in this draft that is really worth the #5 pick, trading down and getting Williams would be great. If we are stuck at five, most Berry lovers feel he is the best player to get.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Well dammit Kray quit asking
and start following the links on all the better prospects.
Figure it out we all are trying too
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
one can hope
it doesn’t matter who we take in the first round they will be a Pro-Bowler
would be nice, but never COUNT on it … it’s always a crap-shoot on the draft
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
All 8 of the Chiefs picks are going to be Pro-Bowlers...
Because Scott Pioli picked them!
Didn’t ya hear?
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/3/3/1335380/pioli-and-the-draft-the-video-nsfw
{{slapping forehead}} oh yeah!
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
upamtn@comcast.net {{fwapping kray}} luvya, brother mine
{{send video then back in the closet with ya}}
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Well I didn't want to be the only one crazy enough to say something similiar...so thanks
for breaking’ the ice here. I don’t know enough about any college player to name a specific individual to draft first. But here’s how I see it.
If indeed the NT is THE most critical element to a 34 defense, then you HAVE to get one. Done. There is no discussion. Ok maybe there is but it would go something like this;
Pioli: Let’s cut to the chase. What position or who, do we HAVE to fill NOW? Let’s just be straight.
Everyone else; Well since we are trying to become a dominant 34 defense and the MOST important thing about a 34 is the NT…the ABSOLUTELY UNDISPUTED most important pillar with which one builds a 34 defense, then we MUST get a NT that can kick some ass and do some damage".
Pioli; I will make that happen then; no matter what.
Ok, that is complete bullsh*t. I made that whole entire conversation up. That never REALLy happened.
But my point is we can’t really push forward with building a 34 defense without the main ingredient. I don’t care how perfect everything else is. If the NT is THE position on a 34, then there should be no question that you do whatever is necessary to get a great one?
Now maybe I’m over emphasizing the NT position on a 34, but I’m just going off what I read, see and hear. That’s why I shy away from draft talk too much, because I feel stupid talking about it. I don’t know players. But I understand positional importance to some degree. In other words, if you plan to make beef stew, you need beef to get started. You need beef to make it happen, period. So if the NT is the beef of all 34 defenses, then hell yes we should do ANYTHING we have to in order to get a stellar one. Then and only then can you really proceed to build a 34 if I understand it at all.
If you don’t know what you have at NT, how can you build the pieces around it correctly? So I think a NT is the deal. And if you say Williams is the best of them all, then let’s do it. Anything else defensively we score on with in the draft, is gravy defensively speaking, IMO.
I would rec this but I don’t know Dan Williams. I’ll wait to hear his accolades on AP before I judge him. Tks man. Good post.
kray, who you kidding? you're kray-zee enough to say ANYTHING
which of course is why we luvya, brother
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Any top 5 player in a traditional top 5 position
is NOT gonna be a bad pick.
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quite simply where were we ranked on pass defense?
skunks know dead fish smell worse than skunks
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yes but your not a skunk. Your a skunk wonabee. That doesn't count.
Hey I don’t mean to stupider than normal but what exactly did you mean by “quite simply where were we ranked on defense”? And was it rhetorical?
kray, I do know this.
The boys upstairs know what this team needs.
And I think sgthall is saying we need Eric Berry. I agree. Enjoy the rest of your day off buddy.
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Oh. That makes sense. Yah. I agree we need that too. For sure.
I hope to God we get with a stellar NT, Safety and Center. If we could just get that. We will get a receivng corp no matter how it comes. It will come. Haley won’t live without his toys. So if Berry is indeed as good as they say, then we should make an effort to get him as well. I just don’t want to lose out on a franchise NT you know?
I am going to watch college this year so next year I can at least talk inelligently about players.
Haven't got all the way through the post, I had to stop here:
The most important positionin the 3-4 Defense is the NT and while the Shaun Smith signing would indicate that this position has already been addressed, he is 28 years old and will one day need to be replaced. (It is said that linemen take 3 years to develop
Ok, I have a serious issue with drafting a guy #5 overall and sitting him on the bench for 3 years. No way that’s going to happen. Generally first round selections are guys that are ready to transition to the NFL and start immediately, with the exception of QB.
I could have seen drafting Williams as a real possibility… before Shaun Smith was brought in to apparently play stop gap at NT for now. Granted, he could just be a depth addition, but he might not. Reaching for Dan williams just doesn’t seem as likely now.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 3:04 PM CDT reply actions
Who said anything about sitting Williams on the bench (or Smith for that matter)
We need depth on the line, especially with the “Big” men like NT’s. Williams can spell Smith every third series his first year (takes 25-33% of the snaps), increase his load for his sophomore season (takes 50-66% of the snaps), then in year 3 make Williams the “starter” with Smith subbing in to give him the occasional breather.
Unless the “Build from the line out” bit that Pioli and Co are known for is just a load of sunshine up our areses, then you can bet that we will be drafting at NT this season. Add the fact that “Pioli” Defensive Linemen are always first round picks and I think a lot of Berry Fan Boys are going to be sorely disappointed when the first round is over and the Chiefs draft pick is NT.
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Berry and in my heart of hearts I think if anyone in this draft is a shu-in Pro-Bowler its Berry, but I don’t think Pioli cares about drafting pro-bowlers. Pioli is drafting a TEAM and our team needs a young, dominate, eat up 2 blockers NT more then we need a Safety right now.
I want us to drop back from #5 to #7 and grab and extra pick, THEN select Williams (if Pioli can swing the deal). Besides getting our NT for the next decade snatching the DL that Denver is aiming for two years in a row just makes drafting Williams make me feel kinda funny…like climbing the rope in gym class.
Drafting a guy with a #5 overall to have him sit on the bench 66% of his rookie year is nonsense.
I’m not saying that Pioli won’t draft Williams at #5 (or #7), but they sure as hell won’t have him be a 2nd string relief guy. If the guy you’re picking at #5 (or even #7) can’t immediately transition into a starting NFL role, then you made a horrible pick. Period.
Besides, the move to get Shaun Smith looks more to me like they’re willing to stop gap with him and draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th round to groom as a replacement NT. Those are the rounds where players tend to get benched and slowly brought up.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I would guess that play time will be determined by how preseason goes
He “could” take 100% of the snaps his first year and we still have Smith there if Williams struggles/gets injured/needs a rest.
If Pioli “thinks” Williams can be a dominate NT for the next 10 years he will pull the trigger over Berry, Okung, or Bulaga. He sure didn’t mind passing on Curry (who I think overall is a better player then Berry) for Jackson.
If Pioli “thinks” that a dominate NT for the next 10 years can be found with our 2a, 2b, 3rd pick then he “might” draft someone like Berry, Okung, or Bulaga.
I don’t know what Pioli is going to do…I don’t think any of us do. If we go Berry in the first he will be a star. If we go Williams he will be a star. It doesn’t matter who we get or what round we get them in…they will ALL be pro-bowlers because Scott Pioli chose them! :-)
You all seem to gorget that Edwards is on this team and is the presumed Starter with Smith as the backup. The draft pick can play as we can shove/groom him up
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
As long as we get a pro bowler I don’t really care :)
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 17, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
thought Crennel was high on Troup?
if he gets his wish thats a 2b or 3 round pick and he can do with Troup as u would have him do with Williams. If Crennel is happy with his guy don’t you think he canand will mold him in a couple of years into the NT Beast we all want?
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