Chiefs Would "Never" Take Safety With The 5th Pick
by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2010 11:01 AM CDT
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PrintI noticed last night SI's Peter King was tweeting up a storm at his Twitter account about all things football for a few hours. One very interesting observation came out of him that I think would surprise a lot of us here.
Someone suggested the Chiefs trade with the Dolphins, who are in need of a playmaking safety. King, who agreed with a Miami/Kansas City trade scenario, had this to say:
"And KC would never take [safety] that high."
Now, King's one of the best in the business when it comes to sports reporting, especially the NFL and that sounds like a pretty definitive statement.
With that said, I see his logic. Scott Pioli has always struck me as a guy who's more likely to build from the inside out meaning the focus is on the offensive and defensive lines.
Just something to keep in mind as we inch toward April.
(H/T kcsno56)
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McClain
if they dont want Berry its going to be McClain.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
I dont want mcclain
but if we get him, i hope to god that we get nate allen or morgan burnett in the 2nd
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 16, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
AP was a very angry place 48 hours into FA. but that will be nothing if the commish doesn’t say Eric Berry’s name at pick 5, AP will be a powder keg, burning for an entire season.
haha
and I thought we were hard on Tyson Jackson…I can on imagine the poor soul that is drafted in his place.
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not, but it shouldn't necessarily be a powder keg
Eric Berry is a great talent, but he’s not the only talent worth taking at #5. Okung, Suh, McCoy, and numerous others would also be very high-quality picks. As long as we’re not looking at a colossal reach, like Anthony Davis or Dan Williams, it’s hard for Pioli to screw up this year.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree
I think the only think that would make me go off on the pick would be if they reach for Dan Williams or Cody.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I think a lot of those types forget about the uncertainty of the draft
Getting hopes up is okay, but not to the extent that one is so focused on one particular player that getting any other player is considered a failure.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
i totally agree...
but come draft day, if Eric Berry’s name isn’t annouced at 5 and he’s available, there will be some very illogical and upset folks and they won’t let it go.
Based solely on the highlights I've seen
Berry looks like as much a can’t miss prospect as anyone….so I admit that I’d be disappointed if we keep the #5 pick & take someone else. But I’ll get over it quickly because I know the Chiefs brass know much better than I about how to build a football team.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Which is exactly how all Chief fans should be
We all may fall in love with Berry/McClain/Spoon/Tebow but at the end of the day, there is a reason we are here and not in Arrowhead.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a good way to approach it, IMO
I’ve had my fingers crossed for KC to draft certain prospects in the past, and they’ve done so in some cases, like Dorsey and Charles most recently. Sometimes the organization goes a different direction, and I usually take it in stride unless I think the player’s an enormous reach who sucks, like Tyson Jackson.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
doesn’t he know there is not one thread on AP, even a thread about buying new floor mats for the office, that hasn’t been spun into reasons the chiefs should draft eric berry?
by tenacious rdc on Mar 16, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I posted this last night
And thought there would be more reaction.
Guess I should’ve put it into the title of the fanshot.
just wait until the week of the draft
it will take until August to finally sift through all the back dated stuff!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
I didn't react
because I could care less what Peter Kind says. Ima keep the hope alive until Pioli destroys it on draft day! Berry for mayor! +14
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 16, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks kcsno
That’s where I got it from!
by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
This post will upset many readers!
Best case though, if we can trade down IMO.
by LTownChiefsFan on Mar 16, 2010 11:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
If Peter King says it...
Its complete crap.
Evidence:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/03/this-peter-king-breakdown-means-something-dammit.html
In terms of credibility
Peter King >>>>>> KSK.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes but in terms of laughter KSK >>>>>> Peter King.
You have to take them both for what they are.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 16, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Im glad you think KSK is supposed to be “credible”. Peter King is “credible” and doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground. Heres a PK column:
Blah blah Favre blah coffee blah blah colonoscopy blah blah Acela train blah blah Westin blah blah Manning not a choker blah blah farrrrrrrttttt.
by RedCoater58 on Mar 16, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And hes always been full of it…KSK just brought it to the masses.
by RedCoater58 on Mar 16, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You have to understand where Joel is coming from...
…He is in charge of bringing AP credible news not funny stories someone made up. I’m a frequent KSK viewer but I can honestly say I have never learned anything of importance from that site….. well I did learn alot of funny nicknames. Peter King and KSK are not even in the same catagory and they shouldn’t be.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 16, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree 100% about Mr. King.
He is a shmoozer, who is constantly making these “definitive” football statements that end up to be dead wrong. He is your typical MSM “journalist”; A/ copies/repeats what his sources tell him – without thinking or investigating – is proven wrong – refuses to admit failure or gives idiot reasons why prognostication did not come true – looks for another topic to write/talk about – return to A/.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 16, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
You see the truth. Thank God.
Boo!
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
Actually I've thought about KC swapping with Miami...
…a 5 for a 12…doable… Trent Williams or Bulaga or Campbell would still be there…
maybe even McClain or that reach for Cody!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
if cody is a top end NT, and crennel is certain of it...I have no issue dealing back to 12, and taking him early
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I think Pioli proved last year....
that nobody has a freakin’ clue who he’s going to pick. So I’ll take King’s comment with a grain of salt.
Exactly what I was going to say
I don’t think Pioli is the type of guy to shy away from a player because he is not what everyone thinks. Pioli is gonna take who he wants and who he thinks is best.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
And my personal prayer for this year is...
Please don’t let it be someone that makes us all go WTF???
At least we have Pioli and the WTF?! will be a good one
not Al Davis taking some unknown safety in the second
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
i will say this
thank you for the new Eric Berry picture, that other one with the crazy taped fingers was getting a little old!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
even though he still has crazy taped fingers in this one damn it!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
SI’s Peter King was tweeting up a storm
Yeah, an AP shit storm.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
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by RedCoater58 on Mar 16, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
this doesnt shock me at ALL
Ive said it now maybe 25 times…I love the berry pick BUT…how many Safeties have gone top 4 in the past 20 years….one?
I think “never” might be a bit much
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
The 'never' part is what actually scares me
If he had said, ‘i don’t see Pioli taking a S that early’ it would concern me less. With a comment like that, it’s almost as if he has credible information on the topic.
Except that Mike Lombardi, a guy that ACTUALLY has sources in the Pioli led chief front office(Cassel Contract months early, 1st guy to tie us to Tyson Jackson, etc), and he may be the only media member that does, has us picking Eric Berry in his mock. If Berry is there, he’s our pick unless:
1)Suh is there
2)We trade out of the position. .
yep Lombardi is the guy i trust
He had conviction when he spoke about Eric Berry and the Chiefs on NFL Total Access. He argued his point to Mike Mayock, and wouldn’t let him change his mind. I trust Lombardi much more than Peter King
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 16, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Lombardi, Kiper, McShay, Don Banks
All have the Chiefs getting Berry at 5.
Peter King was 8/32 last year… missed picks #4 – #10. Posted his Mock draft April 24th AFTER he heard the rumors about Chiefs being in contact with Tyson Jackson’s people.
Not buying this.
Eric Berry's #1 Fan... and #2 Fan. +14
yeah I totally agree, "never" is what had me a bit...shocked...thats pretty bold..
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Well it's a good thing we're not int eh top 4
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
right....so make it top 5...don't need to be rude about it...make it in the top 5 then...
the point was that he will be there…take it a step further, and its still just that….
people get WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too defensive over this stuff…just stating a FACT that safeties do NOT go top 4…cept once…top 5? what is it? twice?
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Thank you Mr. King
Chiefs would never want Berry(wink wink). So dont worry about us taking berry. we’d never do that
Tough times never last, but tough people do.
by MadMartigan816 on Mar 16, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions
haah..your mortage!
Tough times never last, but tough people do.
by MadMartigan816 on Mar 16, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
meh
and a lot of people said we would never reach for Tyson Jackson at #3.
Pioli is not THAT predictable. You’re talking about a guy that has drafted more TEs in the first round (2) then QBs, OL, and WRs combined (1, Logan Mankins at pick 32).
Will we draft Berry? I don’t know, nobody does, but I’m not going to count it out because Peter King says so.
Official Member of the "Draft Eric Berry" Fanclub
No one knows
what Pioli and haley will do, and this includes Peter King. Everyone says they love positional value and I agree they do. However I think they will reach for a player who fits their mold before taking the media’s BPA. People speak of their track record but rarely mention the Patriots never took an OT that high. It might not mean much, maybe they just were never in that position, but maybe they like stockpiling O-Lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds too. Another thing to consider is their track record says they prefer guys 6’5" and shorter who are between 300-315. Neither Okung nor Buluga fit those categories. For all we know they will go D-Line again and choose Dan Williams. Bottomline is no one knows what Pioli will do yet. For the record though I hope it is Berry.
The Pats NEVER took an OT in round 1, period, and that’s when they had a need for LT. Since Pioli’s current team has no LT need, we can be pretty confident he won’t be taking a LT at #5.
I guess
Okung measured in at 6’5" 310 so that would be about the right size. And Bulaga measured in at 6’5" and not 6’6" or 6’7" like Iowa would have you believe. Still doesn’t change the fact the Pats have never drafted a O-Lineman in the first.
They have drafted an O-lineman in the first
Mankins
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Beat me to it
I was wondering where he got that. The Pats haven’t shied away from any position in the first round, really, except for QB, and that can be chalked up to the fact that Brady’s there already.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
They’ve NEVER drafted an OT in the first while Pioli was there. Mankins is an OG, drafted at the end of round 1, where an OG should be considered.
The topic was for 'never drafted a O-Lineman in the first'
Which is false. The Pats have not taken an OT, but that does NOT mean they will not if they feel that is the best player for us. You really can not get an idea of where Pioli is leaning by looking at past Pats drafts, completely different teams.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Kings work
But honestly, football “experts” just irk me sometimes. What expert saw DHB coming for the Raiders? Unless the Don sat down with him expressing his disdain for Eric Berry, he doesnt know squat. I’m not giving this too much thought
Building Inside out
Why does the building inside out have to be in the first round. This is a very deep draft for O-line in the later rounds. Our D-line needs a NT still but there isn’t one good enough to go in the top 15. Suh would be perfect but I don’t think he makes it that far. I still think Berry is our pick. Why not take a safety that high? Come on Poly, Sanders, Reed and look what sharper did for the Saints they are game changers and adding another guy that can help with the run and be a ball hawk.
Offical member of the Eric Berry Fan Club
Ummm...
Everyone. Immediately after his 40 yd dash at the combine I think it bumped DHB atop of everybody’s draft board for the Raiders
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
it was almost like...a joke though...I didnt think they would ACTUALLY do it
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Raiders are a Joke...
How could you not KNOW it would happen?
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
couple things
1) defense seems to be more of a priority given it takes longer for players to develop.
2) it seems like defense in football is similar to baseball in that you build up the middle, and that the middle is super important: dline, lbs, Ss.
3) did king see pioli taking jackson at #5 last year?
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Mar 16, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
Not til damn near draft day
Nobody did until the draft was close, let’s see what they say a week from the draft
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
after Mike Brown is signed to another team
he will say we are taking Berry
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Which is close to the draft haha
not over a month away like we are now. Most people had us pegged for Curry around now
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
#3 last year
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
I think that we may have just as good of a chance at reaching for a NT...especially considering the jackson reach for a 3-4 end...why not for a NT
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
or a safety
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Mar 16, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on how they grade out the NT's
They saw Jackson as a great fit and a must have for our new 3-4, is there an NT that puts that confidence into Pioli/Crennel?
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah. on another nfl teams' roster.
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Mar 16, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
They may have been scouting Tjax for NE
When it came to making the switch to 3-4 in KC, Pioli took who he wanted.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Because there are no Nose Tackles worthy of it this year?
We can get a good one (Cam Thomas) as late as the 4th round. Why reach?
one could argue the same about magee vs jackson....
I find it HILARIOUS that the first 3 rounds of NT’s are unknown reaches…while cam thomas will just be a good player no matter what? please
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Jackson was mostly considered to be a top-10 talent
Just not a top-5 talent. He was the best 3-4 DE in the draft & the team needed a 3-4 DE badly.
Predictions:
This year will be better
jackson was around 12 projected
and I am not dissing jackson…the point was related to finding a similar talent in round 3…it was simply used as a comparison….
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
and gallery was top 5 cant miss talent...I really cant listen to that stuff and sit here saying its 100 percent going to be right...
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Yeah...but he went to the Raiders!
Give the man a break!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. And instead of taking a great risk up high, you could actually spend a pair of picks much farther down.
We can get a good one (Cam Thomas) as late as the 4th round. Why reach?
A guy like Thomas would be in more of a rotation and in better condition, and do EXACTLY what you want from a block-eating NT. He’s mediocre in finishing plays on the QB, and that’s cited as a negative, but if all he does is what they say he alREADY does as a pass-rusher is get up the field a few yards and keep his feet (low center of gravity).
Add on top of that the ability to spend an extra pick on the position group farther down, and the probabilities look better than spending one pick higher up on someone who’s as great or greater a risk.
Finish the durn thought, Mills:
but if all he does is what they say he alREADY does as a pass-rusher is get up the field a few yards and keep his feet (low center of gravity),
then the Chiefs have a solid foundation for a great pass rush, where edge rushers can be edge rushers, and the QB can’t step up into the pocket. In years past, the interior line has either been shoved aside, or lying on their bellies, JUST missing the sack, but taking themselves out of the passing lanes by the time the QB pulls the trigger. Just keepin’ your feet and pushing the C and maybe a G back into the QB’s face would make the 1st- and 2nd-down pass defense pretty tough.
I vote we kill the messenger.
Seriously.
It’s time we tie Peter King up and drag him through the street behind a horse and then dangle him from the castle wall as a warning to other messengers who might want to tell us what Pioli will ‘never’ do in selecting our favorite player.
Who’s with me?
I think after what we heard from john clayton...none of these guys really know much about the chiefs
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I dunno. I remember from last offseason, Clayton in a sopping wet windbreaker, sitting and watching practice all day,
with some things to say that were pretty much on-the-money.
King was also one who came in and spent some time in Chiefs camp. Seemed like King based his reporting more on his conversations with people on the ground, whereas Clayton based his more on what he saw on the field.
This being said, it seemed like Clayton didn’t see a whole heckuva lot of what was going on, able only to pick out a few inconsequential things that happened close to where he was sitting, like WR-DB matchups, which he could only really gauge, relative to the players being matched-up, rather than relative to how those guys (most of whom aren’t listed on the depth chart, any more) would match up against the rest of the league.
Chiefs Would “Never” Take Safety With The 5th Pick
That’s because they are going to trade it.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
yeah I have to agree, would love that scenario
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
gosh I wish
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Wouldn't surprise me
Pioli seems more interested in value players and building this team with the right collection of teammates and not stars. Parcells has also demonstrated, unlike Pioli, he doesn’t mind throwing money around and picking as high as #5 I think Bill would view as a golden opportunity rather than a burden.
I’m for the move as long as we’re not drafting McClain. Sure, he gets the job done he’s just not a very sexy pick.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
That last sentence says it all
He gets the job done, who cares about sexy? We need people to get the job done on defense.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
I don't understand Pioli sometimes..
Sometimes I think he is just a little too stubborn. Ed Reed make the Ravens D just as strong if not more than Ngata or whoever their DE’s were. Polamalu is the reason that the Steelers D is good. A great safety can go a long way in improving a defense quickly.
A safety is usually a luxury pick
after your D is solid.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Right on
I believe the Ravens and Steelers already had some ballers on the team. Put Reed and Troy on our defense last year you tellin me 1 of them would turn that team around? We would just be run on even more. Just like in war whats your strongest attack? FRONTLINE!
Strongest Attack? NUKEEEEE by a stealth bomber OFC
Yea Ravens/Steelers had the pieces in place on their D when they got Troy/Reed
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
HA I'm not talking like that
I’m actually talking about war in the good old days where you SAW the enemy and took them out not this hitting buttons miles away!
lol well fineeeee just change everything!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm. Polamalu or Reed on last year's team...
There’d’ve been a lot more fear of the seam route, with Reed in the vicinity, and there’d’ve been quite a few plays in the backfield and in the shallows, where Polamalu just blew things up with his speed and aggression.
But like the Broncos, who added the veteran S, while their trenches were still a work in progress, KC would’ve had around a .500 season, but faded down the stretch. Good point about S being a luxury pick, after you’re done with team-build.
With Polamalu or Reed
No way Miles Austin goes for 200+ yards against us
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup
Not a real good run defense strategy to have your best players 10+ yards off the ball.
by alakan81 on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If they free 5 or 6 guys to pin their ears back and attack the ballcarrier, though, it's a not-immediately-obvious force-multiplier.
More talent in the d-backfield means fewer hats needed to cover longer. That’s an extra hat to tee off against the run, and generally attack the O-backfield.
This is one of the not-so-secret secrets of Rex Ryan’s success, and his father’s before him.
Actually,
the best attack would be from the flanks where the enemy (hopefully) doesn’t have their firepower massed.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Mar 16, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Which brings us back to the all-important OT position...
You need the most dominant linemen at the most vulnerable point.
In old-school warfare, sure...
…but that Billy Mitchell guy was onto something…
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Every keeps saying...
WalterFootball, PK, etc all keep saying Pioli will want to build his line first. I don’t ever remember the Patriots taking an OL in the 1st round unless i’m mistaken. So i’m not sure outside of defensive lineman where all this is coming from.
All Pioli wook was
He took one at 32nd, but the majority of his picks were Dline and TEs…That being said, he always picked latter in the draft. Picking this high is new territory, we have no evidence to go off of.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 16, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
IF WE TRADE PICKS WITH MIAMI
We better not discount that shit! I want their 2nd and maybe 4th/5th! 5th to 12th is a big freaking jump!
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ALL THAT BEING SAID, HERES WHO ID DRAFT
RD 1 NT, Dan Williams
RD 2 OLB, Jerry Hughes ILB, C, FS
RD 2 WR, Golden Tate
RD 2 SS, Nate Allen
RD 3 TE, Anthony McCoy
RD 4 CB, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
RD 4 OC, Ted Larson
RD 5 OT, Marshall Newhouse
RD 5 FS, Kurt Coleman
RD 5 ILB, Jamar Chaney
ID BE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT, MUCH MORE HAPPY THAN TAKING BERRY 5TH OVERALL
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 16, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully Pioli is like
“King don’t know me. This bitch is tryin to predict what imma do, Fuck that, Godell we want Berry now read the fuckin card….bitch”
by BiiG_C on Mar 16, 2010 11:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Heres my thoughts. never is a little too strong, if we have berry at the top of our board pioli will take him.
Our first priority should be to trade back, but if we cant, we take the best player available! i think its that simple
How bout this
Lets just get someone who can be a stud right away at their drafted position? Our top 5 picks isn’t going to turn anything around if our next 6-7 picks don’t follow in line. I don’t see any way Berry falls past the Bucs he ran the same scheme in college w ex Bucs d coach Kiffin.
For one year
He was still a play maker before Kiffin showed up with his Tampa 2. Berry will be a great player in whatever system you put him in.
If KC and Miami trade first round picks, what
additional picks will the Chiefs receive according to the official chart?
What's with this trading w Miami talk?
Is that an actual possibility or are we just making shit up to get excited?
All the chubby kids
in the Chiefs nation will cry if we don’t draft Berry.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
I'm not chubby!
Skinny people have feelings too!!!!!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
You're just festively plump
when it comes to the Chiefs
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
The only thing more lame than mock draft's is the sarcasm font.
by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Are there any not chubby kids
In Chiefs nation?
This is America, dammit!
by alakan81 on Mar 16, 2010 11:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think everyone lost weight
after jumping up and down in shock from last years Tjax pick
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If trade out and go O-Line
they only one I’d want is Trent Williams
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
I just dont see how a safety makes the people around him better than O/DL
Obviously just my opinion, but if we get an OL or DL it would help out the rest of that line alot. But being a safety your so far back by the time someone gets to you its 1rst n 10 I dont see how that would help out the rest of our defense. AFC West Champs 2010 we can all agree on!!
Watch what happened to the Steelers when Troy was gone
You can tell the impact a good safety can have on a team. Better coverage would give Hali/Dline more time to pressure the QB or have the QB second guess himself by putting the ball in a hard to get place trying to stay away from coverage.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly
the longer that QB is trying to find a spot to throw into, Hali and Dorsey will be on him
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Well, two things
From what I’ve seen, a strong front 7 creating pressure benefits the secondary much more than a great secondary benefits the pass rushers.
Also, the Steelers’ system, with all those funky zone blitzes allows for a lot more action to “spill” to the safeties, thus making Polamalu a more important piece.
by alakan81 on Mar 16, 2010 11:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It really works both ways
If you have a font 3 or 4 who can easily get to the QB, then he has to worry about throwing it faster.
If you have a great secondary the QB has to worry where to throw giving the front 3 or 4 more time to get to him.
As for the Steelers, at least IMO, Troy being so versatile really makes the Steelers D able to do all of the zone blitzes, man to man, zone, etc.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
But we're not the Steelers or Ravens!
With the exception of Flowers and Hali, they dominate every other position, hell some of their depth guys beat us out. And they had 2 of the GREATEST defensive coaches EVER!
Not saying we are the Ravens nor Steelers
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It goes both ways
But not in equal amounts. The “coverage sack” is pretty rare in the NFL.
And with the Steelers is simply a difference in scheme. We “stack” more and they “spill” more, whoever is back there at safety.
by alakan81 on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm a supply-sider on pass defense, myself.
It all keys off pressure and contain. What the better secondary gives you is a greater number of options as to which 5 or 6 to send and from where and from what formation. Nobody calls it a coverage sack when it happens FAST, but the quick coup-de-grace on the QB is most often the product of being able to send the 5th or 6th hat, without giving up the open man in the shallows.
That doesn’t mean you have LBs who can cover (cough Texas Chiefs), but that you have the confidence and manpower to come up and jam everybody at the line and STILL bring the extra DB or extra LB (however “extra” is defined).
Now, nobody’s gonna tell me that Casey Hampton is capable of covering ANYbody in space, but he can drop 4 or 5 steps back on the changeup and take away that one hot route the QB is counting on having when the blitz comes from unexpected places and players.
Berry would shut down the field around him
and teamed with Flowers that is even more yardage considered a know throw zone.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
NT or OT at #5
Positional value, team need, and history are pointing to a NT or LT as our first pick. Williams or Bulaga.
Hmmm..
Interesting he would say that. I think that if our safety position is weaker than our WR position (sadly, I think it is), I don’t understand why we would not want to take the best player available, and upgrade our team instantly. There will be no doubts he will start and make an impact for several years.
Smoke screen?
With the 5th pick in the 2010 draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Eric Berry of Tennessee!
yeah...I hate to use madden as the example, but if you do play it...the most glaring hole is safety...its brutal...any game I watch from last year...our safeties...brutal...
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
McGraw was starting to anticipate much better, later in the season, and making some good plays.
Madden wouldn’t’ve caught that. But, YEAH. Clearly our safeties were outmatched in space.
Here's the thing...
The Chiefs brass knows who the fans want. They follow sites like this, and I wouldn’t doubt that the Chiefs have several PR people monitoring AP.
The Chiefs fan base is starving right now. We just want a winner again. Our dissent was evidenced by the first home game black out in 20 years.
So here’s my argument. I’m no Peter King or Mike Lombardi, but I think that the Chiefs might take a big time play maker to try and get the fans excited about the season… and to buy tickets. Honestly, think about it. The team has been really bad lately, and it’s been that way because of bad drafts and perceived reaches. The 2009 draft left us all feeling “eh” about our upcoming season. And we were right. The Chiefs are in position to lose money from ticket sales if they don’t get the fans pumped about the upcoming season. A play maker will do that.
Berry can take care of that. Obviously Pioli will have to weigh the risk and reward of drafting a fan favorite, but I think there’s a very good chance of it happening.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
IMO I don't think the fans will sway Pioli at all
He is only in charge of football operations, he’s not worried about ticket sales and revenues much. He will take the player he thinks puts us in the best postion to win. He might go with a fan favorite only as a tie breaker in his mind.
by Chiefs2SB10 on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree to an extent.
But… the chiefs management seems to be on the same page throughout the organization for the first time in years.
Also consider that Pioli is focusing on almost every position that we need help for in the FA, except S and LB. If the choice comes down to Berry vs anyone (except Suh), the choice should be pretty obvious.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
False.
I have told Pioli, right here on AP, every one of the people he should hire this off-season and, so far, he’s following my orders (well, mostly).
Right now, I’m ordering him to sign Lilja and draft Eric Berry in the first round.
A wise man once said
(paraphrase) “If you try to hard to do what the fans want, pretty soon you’ll be up there in stands with ’em.”
by alakan81 on Mar 16, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And as Dahd11 said.... "Smoke screen" comes to mind
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
1 expert has KC not picking Berry
Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Mike Lombardi, Clark Judge (CBS), Don Banks (SI), Ben Standig (FFtoolbox – finished ahead of Mel Kiper and Jay Glazer last year)
Other Mock Draft sites that have us taking Berry posted w/in the last 2 days…
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Peter King doesn’t know everything….. it was a damn tweet. Berry to the Chiefs at #5 if Pioli wants to have a leader on defense for years and fill a HUGE need.
Eric Berry's #1 Fan... and #2 Fan. +14
All those experts mentioned above have the Chiefs selecting Eric Berry
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Eric Berry's #1 Fan... and #2 Fan. +14
plus if everyone has us going berry, king would be the guy to say otherwise just to be the ONE that was right in his mmqb
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
maybe they don't think berry fits the right 53
he’s a great player, but maybe they don’t like him. I haven’t heard anything about them talking to him
Love how AP nation
Is alive and well. Doesn’t take long to get 200 comments when everyone’s waiting around to hear about Lilja or our next offseason move. Hope we seal the deal with Lilja even though me may be a LG. I think it’s overlooked that Brian Waters will be gone in the very near future. Signing the 28 year old Lilja would fill that void all the same. Allow Lilja to learn system from BW…and hopefully improve a bit. Then have a very serviceable replacement already here. Not to mention if we are desperate, we could at least try him at RG if need be. Either way it helps us focus on BPA or B OL available when we pick….
I love AP
I wish I lived down in KC still to have the am radio on just talking about the Chiefs. Big news, pointless rumors, or just plain bullshit I still love it! Cuz these next months are gonna kill me up here with the Cubs and White Sox nonsense!
Nah man.
the Jayhawks are dominating the radio right now. Chiefs only get about 5 minutes of every hour right now.
It is nice during the draft/training camp/season though.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 16, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I love how there is always at least one FP post per day that blows up like this :)
Predictions:
This year will be better
Peter King 2009 Mock
You can say he was right on Tyson Jackson, but he posted that mock draft when he heard that news already. There was that rumor that the Chiefs were in contact with Tyson Jackson’s agent and that’s when you all of a sudden saw Tyson Jackson going to the Chiefs on people’s 2009 Mocks. He was 8 for 32 last year in the 1st Round. One being a QB drafted to the Bucs which was a given. He also got #1 and 2 which are t ypically given too. He did miss picks 4 thru 10 until he got Maybin going to the Bills at #11.
The guy isn’t a all knowing Draft guy.
Eric Berry's #1 Fan... and #2 Fan. +14
Nobody is, especially this far from the draft
they are trying to stir up talks that make people talk
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Just heard we signed Lilja
No update on AP yet.
Update has been there since before you posted this...push the "home" tab
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Acutally...
I posted at 11:07 AP posted at 11:44.
Wow! ..that is worse case scenarios..please please Pioli do not read his post!
We do not want Suh or McCoy (since they aren’t NT) but if they fall to us then lets trade back with someone that is in love with them more to obtain more pics. Please do not get Fatty Cody (unless he falls to 3rd rd) that can’t play more than 2 downs at a time and do not get Spikes unless he falls to 5th rd.
Thanks Pioli for reading my post!
Actually a perfect draft would be
1 Berry
2a Pouncey
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
Actually a realistic draft would be get Free Agent NT/Gerard Warren and CB/Lito Shepard to start adding insurance and depth.
My 1st choice is the 1st player listed 2nd choice is if 1st player gone. I am not a big Terrance Cody fan (so don’t cram the fatty down my throat), I think we need depth at LB and thought we should have been more active in FA to get 1(like Andra Davis or Larry Foote). Our current LB’s are ok for now but if Jerry Hughes falls to us with 2A pick I would consider too. .
1. S/Eric Berry,NT/ Dan Williams (I know a reach) That is why I have insurance FA NT/Gerard Warren. Plus we can target Jerrel Powe for next year if not happy with Smith or Warren this year.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66151&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT
2A WR/Golden Tate or TE/WR Dorin Dickerson(will not get out of 2nd rd) really like Dickerson as a WR..almost overmatches CB’s and is used to being hit by LB’s.
2B OT’s Tony Washington or Roger Saffold( I really want depth in case Albert goes down and someone to push him.)
3. Give this pick to Oakland for ILB/Kirk Morrison
4. Center Eric Olsen (knows Weis offense and can play Guard or Center)or OT/Kyle Calloway
5A OLB/ Brandon Sharpe or OLB/ Antonio Coleman
5B TE/Nate Byham(Best blocking TE) or DE/C.J Wilson
5C TE/FB Clay Harbor (to play FB) or G/Thomas Austin plays Center too.
side note If Williams taken first then in 5th rd I choose either S/ Barry Church or S/Harry Coleman
I guess I just don't understand the idea
that having a player like Polamalu or Bob Sanders (when healthy), or Ed Reed shouldn’t be a top priority. Why are safeties so undervalued? How is Berry not worth the 5th pick in the draft????
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Because if you want to dominate consistently on defense
You focus on dominating within 5 yards of the ball first.
Having a top flight safety is useless if all he’s doing is tackling the ball carrier after he runs 7 yards. I don’t care how many times he “makes plays”.
Fair enough
but if Berry is the best prospect on the board, and you need safety help, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t take Berry. We’d rather take a player that’s not as good but fills a greater need?
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by justinmayhugh on Mar 16, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, "best prospect" is a pretty subjective concept
My feeling is you have to look at several different factors to determine that.
Does he fit what we’re trying to do on this team?
How much does he add to the team’s overall effectiveness?
What are our goals on defense(i.e. shut down plays to the middle and force things outside or whatever)?
What kind of leadership are we looking for?
In my mind, all these things and others are important, along with the player’s athletic ability. So terms like “need” and “best player available” have a great deal of context that needs to be established to make a determination.
not many
safeties….play like berry, so i dont really see any reason they wouldnt.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
WHAT?!?!?!?
Can anyone really make an educated guess on our 1st pick until after Pioli gets done making his deals? It does not seem too long ago that everyone was talking about picking up an OT at the 5th pick. Anyone wanna go out on that limb today? Hold your water boys, the best is yet to come.
sean taylor was taken high and that worked out well..
ahhh if we get mcclain over berry it wont make sense to me. I’m thinkin if we draft mcclain he’ll be a bust… berry on the other hand i dont think he will be at all. THE DEBATE CONTINUES… but i still wanna believe we’re taking berry. the draft is deep at ILB we can get spikes in the 2nd round
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
I think if either Suh or Berry fall to #5, Pioli's in great position to make a trade.
And Parcells is one who likes his big (6-foot, 200-lb) DBs. Guys who measure up are rarely as QUICK or have as good ball skills as you need.
OTOH, this is an excellent year for KC to significantly upgrade @ S, without making a 1st-round glamor pick. I HATE to say this, because I always want the BEST DBs, period, and it’s been years (since Hasty and Carter shared the same field) that this was true about the KC D. And for a good chunk of THAT time, they STILL backed-off against 3+ wides, because they had nobody who could single-up in press against the better 3rd- or 4th-best WRs on a given team. Gone are the days when KC had the horses (up front and on the edge) to pin its ears back and simply overwhelm the spread at the point of attack. This calls for a combo of D-Line and secondary dominance, and SMART LBs.
If Berry can have an impact like Chris McAlister did, then that's what I want.
If he’s just a very good safety, then I’m with the anti-Berry-Kool-Aid crowd. If anything, Kiffin’s cover-2 is a strike against Berry, but he was sizing up as a dominant all-around coverage DB BEFORE Kiffin came along.
Trade down where possible. Make low-risk, highly-hedged (double-up) system picks, so that when you finally DO get convincingly good in your starting 22, you have the depth behind them to play strong right through the playoffs.
You could make the case quite easily that you can stock up on DBs in the 2nd or 3rd, year in and year out, and teach a physical style of play that allows you to blitz more freely, and gets MOST of its success by dominating the LOS and pressuring the QB.
Just keep in mind, you front 7 fans, that the teams who do this well are able and willing to come up and press when they’re sending the house. One DB who can’t do his job and the outlet pass is there all day long, OR you’re always a hat or two short of finishing the play on the QB. Even if it IS a zone-blitz, the offense can’t COUNT on it being soft zone behind the blitz. And the D sets up the zone blitz by showing courage and ability to man up, which gives the QB tunnel vision. It’s not that the LB is great in coverage. It’s that there’s a warm body making a decent zone drop without hesitation that bollixes the QB’s plans.
i want berry!
we just singed lilja & Weiggman
it makes no sense to pick up a lineman, our defense was burned by big passing plays last year, when PAge got injured….we got screwed
fix our Defense by picking berry Pioli
i just imagine a Berry Chiefs Jersey & how good it lookz, ha!!!
Ain't gonna happen..will be in a Cleveland Jersey if you see it.
Haden or Williams will be our pick with outside shot at Bulaga…and he will go to RT not LT if he is chosen.
FORGET BERRY!!!! GET Suh, or McClain!
THIS YEARS CLASS IS STACKED WITH GREAT TALENT IN THE SAFETY POSITION. PLUS BERRY WON’T BE AN IMPACT AS A ROOKIE, OR MAYBE EVEN HIS SECOND YEAR!! LOOK AT GUYS LIKE SUH, AND MCCLAIN WHO HAVE BEEN WELL COACHED, AND HAVE GREAT WORK ETHIC… If Suh is on the board we have to get him. If not we need to get McClain. The key is getting someone to stop the run, and put pressure on the QB. A great pass rush is the key to helping the secondary! #5 pick for a safety??? please you people sound like Al Davis!! Look at Huff in Oakland! He is a freakin’ stud but can’t stop the run or pressure a QB that has all day to pass on him!! Jackson and Dorsey aren’t going to be Pro Bowl Caliber….. WE NEED A STUD IN THE BOX!
Naw..I say let Suh fall to us and trade down to aquire an extra pick or 2.
We have too many needs and Suh is not a NT, so of no real value in our system. Or trade Dorsey to St. Louis for Carriker and 2nd rd pick as I have seen rumored…that would also help…would hate losing Dorsey but Carriker would flourish in our system.
Cooler heads will prevail
I’m glad Scott is running this thing. There is sooo many people on the Berry Bandwagon and I understand that. Berry will be great player perhaps. But the safe bet is going to be a lineman. Okung or Bulaga. There is a better probability that one of these guys is going to be a 10 year guy and that in the long run will improve our team. Build the line, Build the line, build the line…..
I just want to go defense.
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