Pioli vs Holmgren
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 2:17 AM CDT
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These are a couple of very competitive guys. What have they been up to in 2010 preparing for a showdown in the NFL Draft?
I will be using the revised NFL draft trade Chart from BigCatCountry and SoCalStites excellent post.
Mike Holmgren has amassed 12 picks as of today for the upcoming draft. The Brady Quinn trade netted some picks in 2011 and 2012 as well as Peyton Hillis.
Picks # 7, 38, 69, 71, 92, 102, 130, 133, 142, 156, 167, and 176.
pick # 69 was received in the trade for Kamerion Wimbley
pick # 92 and 156 from Jets for Braylon Edwards
pick # 130 from Tampa Bay for Kellen Winslow
pick # 142 from Detroit via Denver
pick # 176 from Carolina for the Brandstater pick in 2009
Mike has done some Wheelin and Dealin, but some of these picks were aquired prior to his tenure in Cleveland. The Browns have according to the Trade Chart 2709.4 in value going into the 2010 draft. If the Browns had the normal allotment of 7 picks at the 7th spot they would have 2202.9 in value. Mike has a surplus of 506.5 in value or equivalent to the 3rd pick of the 2nd round in extra value. Pretty damn good!
Scott Pioli has amassed 8 picks total and prior to compensatory picks being assigned all are Top 150 picks.
Picks # 5, 36, 50, 68, 99, 132, 138, and 140.
Pick # 50 is for Tony Gonzalez
Pick # 138 for Tyler (Thiggy) Thigpen
Pick # 140 for Tank Tyler
Scott has also done some horse tradin' and all the picks aquired and/or spent were on his watch. The Chiefs have a total of 2949 in trade chart value to spend. The Chiefs normal allotment with the 5th pick would be 2550.3 in value. Scott has amassed a surplus of 398.7 in value or the equivalent of the 11th pick in the 2nd round.
I think it will be interesting to see what these two do with that surplus of value. Mike Holmgren and Scott Pioli will be going head to head for the forseeable future. Throw in Bill Belichick, Mike Tannenbaum/Rex Ryan, and Bill Parcells and you got some true heavyweights.
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inside access… weis was in college football last year and he scouted all these players.. and crennel coached the senior bowl… hands down.. pioli
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
Aww heck...
… I’ll be the dissenting vote and vote holmgren. Just going by the last draft what bugged me is that just about every pick seemed to be a reach at that spot. TJ (granted you couldn’t have got him in round 2). But I just feel that event if you were hot to trot on mcgee, washington, brown, quinten lawrence, o’connell, you could have picked them up one round later or even as a FA. Granted I know its just blabber, but plug each one of those guys in draftscout and every single one projects later than they were picked. I really don’t care who pioli picks this year, we have so many holes. I am just hoping he doesn’t go “off the reservation” . Your point about Weis, Crennel, and a more cohesive scout team is well noted, though.
Remember, Pioli didn't have his scouting team in place last draft
He used his notes and one scout that he brought with him from the Patriots – this draft will be Pioli’s first with his own scouting team in place…
You must remember that other teams are picking those 31 picks in between
sometimes you just have to get the guy you want when you know you can get em.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Hold on
Wait a minute. Holmgren has 12 picks compared to Pioli’s 8. I wouldn’t say hands down Pioli has the better draft with Holmgren having 4 more picks than Pioli. Intresting post. Easy to speculate on this almost impossible to predict at this point.
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"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
the simple math is
we get 4 picks done before Mike gets his 3rd pick in. so we own the 1st 3 rounds of the draft ie best players. if we don’t mess up of course.
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
We're the highest picking AFC team
so we damn-well better have the best draft in the AFC.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
AWESOME post, Steve ... thank you! see, now THIS is WAY better than the Berry Koolaid Express {{grin}}
for real, this is cool stuff … both guys have some talent to choose from, and lots of it … now, here’s my thinking … take the points assigned and divide by number of picks … Pioli has an average value of 368.6 per pick, Holmgren has an average value of 225.7 per pick …
Pioli’s options AVERAGE out to be roughly equivalent of Pick #46, halfway thru 2nd Round, Holmgren’s AVEREAGE out to Pick #72, upper part of 3rd Round
based SOLELY on those numbers, one would “expect” Pioli to come away with (overall) higher caliber of players … but, Holmgren (that sly old fox) has a TON of choices, and sheer numbers would give him a better chance of finding a “hidden gem” in the lower rounds (can you say Ryan Succop? of COURSE you can!)
then too, it takes a few years to TRULY asses the worthiness and impact of any given draft … I wouldn’t be surprised if BOTH guys end up improving their teams by a wide margin
well done, Sir, and rec’d!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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I would agree that Pioli should have the edge on drafting the better players.
Holmgren does have the sheer number of picks to move pretty much wherever and whenever he wants. I sure hope Holmgren moves some of those 5th rounders around else the draft will get really slow with Cleveland on the Clock at the bottom of the screen :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't be at all shocked to see Holmgren move a couple of lower picks for a higher one ... then maybe again ... and even maybe again after that ...
… and end up with another 2nd or even another 1st round pick …
it could happen!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
how do you know
Did Tebow say so?
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