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What Should the Chiefs Do With Derrick Johnson?

There's no greater mystery on the current Chiefs roster, in my opinion, than the conundrum and confusion surrounding Derrick Johnson. A former first round choice, the linebacker is arguably the most talented of any currently on the roster. Yet this past season, DJ didn't even play in Week Three against the Eagles (a 20 point loss that could have used Johnson's talents on the field, for sure), and posted two more games (both losses) where he didn't even record a single tackle. Add that to the five games where he only had one tackle, and you basically have a half season of near inactivity.

Then you see the other side. It's the season-opening and -closing interceptions, both for long yardage of 70 and 60 yards respectively. In fact, in the final win at Denver, DJ had two touchdowns from interception returns, winning AFC Defensive Player of the Week and reminding fans and hopefully coaches of what could be. He's flashed the same talent in seasons past with his speed and athleticism that won him the Bronko Nagurski Trophy in college as the nation's top defensive player -- an award that's also landed in the hands of Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, Terrell Suggs and Warren Sapp.

The question is: what should the Chiefs do with a talent like Derrick Johnson? And exactly whose fault is it that 2009 was largely a wasted year for the young and obviously talented linebacker? Is it DJ's lack of focus, work ethic and determination to take his game to the next level? Did he respond immaturely to harsher coaching than he's used to? Could he not rise to the challenge presented by Todd Haley and his staff?

Or is it the other way around? Is Derrick Johnson only one of several talented Chiefs players who had a less-than-expected 2009 season? Do Dwayne Bowe and Jarrad Page also serve as examples that Haley's emotional, demanding approach doesn't work with all players? Was Haley his own worst enemy by playing with the roster slots so much that performers like DJ and Jamaal Charles end up low on the depth chart or not even playing at all?

More commentary after the jump:

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The truth probably lies on both sides of the fence. And it's up to both sides, then, to move on from the last season and embrace the possibilities of what could be. With other talented linebackers on the restricted market like the Raiders Kirk Morrison and the Ravens Antwan Barnes and unrestricted free agents like Pina Tinoisamoa and Keith Bulluck still available, teams don't have to pay the Chiefs asking price for Johnson. Of course, you never know in an off-season like this one, but the Chiefs might be stuck with DJ (and vice versa).

Yet that might be the best thing in the end for all parties involved. As ESPN's Bill Williamson notes, "Johnson can be salvaged in Kansas City. He can help this team. Perhaps the addition of Romeo Crennel can ignite his career in Kansas City. I think it would be good for both the team and for Johnson if he stayed."

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To quote KCS

“Pay the man, and Play the man”.

I’d also send our 3rd rounder to Oakland and Kirk Morrison and DJ can be our 2 ILB’s for the next 5 years.

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by craig in calgary on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

This cat knows the score.

..and the damned thing of it is he’s Canadian!

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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully DJ

picks up where he left off. He already has the best start to 2010 than any defensive player :)
Heres to Crennel and Co helping DJ turn it around and become the Pro Bowler he can be !

by tomahawk44 on Mar 16, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

that's what I'm talking about

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB

by stagdsp on Mar 16, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO

I’d rather have a tough coach than soft players. I’m with team Haley

by irishking44 on Mar 16, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I second that opinion!

With the 5th pick in the 2010 draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Eric Berry of Tennessee!

by dahd11 on Mar 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

DJ has always been talented but inconsistent on the field

A “yo-yo” player, to use the parlance of Haley. So I think it’s had little to do with Haley’s coaching style, etc. The question is whether DJ can become more consistent on the field with the help of the new coaches. If so, he can be something special. If not, he’ll continue to be an asset one game, and a liability another.

by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Start Him

He’s the best athlete in the linebacking corps and frankly he’s the only big play linebacker we’ve got.

If Haley wants to use that “yo-yo player” excuse again to keep him on the bench, I think it’s fair to question Haley’s ability to coach anyone.

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by UCrawford on Mar 16, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

But he very much was a yo-yo player

It became very obvious to me when re-watching a few games after the season. For example, the Pittsburgh game.

by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd prefer a great LB than a great athlete whose a mediocre LB

But if we don’t have a great LB, does it really matter so much what mediocre LB we use? I’d prefer to use the one who has the potential to improve. DJ certainly hasn’t demonstrated yet that he’s that guy.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields

by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

it does matter if he will become a problem from not getting his big contract.

Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson

by SDChief on Mar 16, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

DJ Has Certainly Been A Mediocre Player

But frankly, he’s still the player on the defense with the highest ceiling who’s shown the most potential in games. Success in the NFL isn’t just about work ethic, it’s also about ability and even though I’ve bagged on DJ a lot the last few years, he’s shown the most except for maybe Hali. Vrabel was great but he’s old. Demorrio Williams is a solid LB with limited potential. Most of the other LBs we’ve had are guys who are backup-caliber. He’s the player with the highest ceiling by default, but still the player with the highest ceiling nonetheless.

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by UCrawford on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

highest ceiling means

pay the man and play the man and watch him reach that ceiling. With top notch coaching he could very well reach that ceiling.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 16, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would LOVE to see DJ become a great LB

I’ve been waiting for years to see it. I’ve convinced myself several times that he’s “on the verge” after his annual “breakout game”. Then he disappears again. And his ability STILL has me hoping that somehow this miracle will occur and he’ll be the player I think he can be. But I’m not going to hold my breath. I’ve been disappointed too many times already.

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by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many players have a high ceiling.

Few players actually reach it. DJ doesn’t seem to get it. Most fans remember his big plays and his athleticism, but watch him play to play and it is easy to see why the coaches get down on him. He is like a boxer loading up for the 1 knockout punch rather than staying after his opponent each round. He has “potential” to be very good. Of course, there are many stories of ex-players with potential.

I would like to see the Chiefs keep him, but he has to prove worthy of a roster spot. I would like to see them bring in Bullock to play beside him and draft a high motor LB as well. Bullock is a professional who brings it every play. With him and Vrabel in DJ’s ear, it would be up to him to put up or shut up.

by BinSC on Mar 16, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dang right, U

There is a chord unstruck in Derrick that needs to be strummed. Maestro has to get that from him. He’s the most gifted LB we have and someone has to work with him til he gets it.

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by skunk420 on Mar 16, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why start a guy that isn't working hard?

If he isn’t working hard and doesn’t show he is head and shoulders better than the next guy what does that show to the rest of the players on the team. Your going to let a guy who has the most potential start over the guy that is working hard to learn his assignments and is consistent on every play?

by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't benched, he just didn't start

He played in every game last year. And despite less time on the field, he ended with about half of his normal stat totals. I think that’s making the best use of the guy, not punishing him. He hasn’t ever shown himself to be great against the run. So they use him in passing downs. I see no problem with that.

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by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummmmm ... just who do we have who IS great against the run? HOW much did we give up last year in rushing yards?

we ranked number WHAT again?

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by upamtn on Mar 17, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Denver game is a great example of why DJ is a problem

On one of his picks, he was supposed to be RUSHING THE QB. Instead he stayed back and read him. It turned out great because he got the pick and TD. But what if the play was downfield? Instead of getting a pick, DJ instead failed to assist to put pressure on the QB, which increased the likelihood of a completion. The worse thing is that in watching the play, it wasn’t clear if DJ was “free lancing” or simply didn’t have the ability or desire to fight through the block. The only reason I could see for keeping him is to see if Crennel can figure out how to get something out of him.

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by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

That is exactly what happened with the James Harrison 100 yard pick at the SB.

He was supposed to be rushing the passer but was either “freelancing” or didn’t know the play. Regardless, it goes down as one of the greatest plays in one of the greatest SB’s ever.

And noone is sitting James Harrison.

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by craig in calgary on Mar 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You aren't really comparing DJ to Harrison, are you?

I would never question whether Harrison was freelancing or just didn’t want to bother to go through the blocker. That’s been a question about DJ his entire career, college and pro.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields

by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, That Would Be A Stretch

Harrison has produced great numbers…DJ has been merely a solid player who’s shown only flashes of ability to be great.

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by UCrawford on Mar 16, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

we DO have some less than solid players who, sadly, get playing time that a better player (who's initials are Dee and Jay) could have instead ...

… ok, I must be missing something here

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by upamtn on Mar 17, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

But at this point it’s clear that Harrison is a football player (from UDFA to DPOY) and DJ is an athlete playing football. I’m certainly not saying DJ can’t be great, he has the physical tools, but he hasn’t shown that he wants to be great.

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by Druful on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harrison is also surrounded by other great playmakers

I think DJ has underperformed as well….but look at his Defensive coaching…Gunther Cunningham and Pendergrast….Im afraid of what he will turn into if given the opportunity to play for another team. The guy has talent, no question, the Chiefs have just not been able to get it out of him. Its been yrs since we have had a dominate D Line or a secondary that can cover…when you have those things it allows a player like DJ to be a playmaker and freelance.
I dont know…its hard to pinpoint DJ…..maybe he is just lazy…..maybe its a scheme issue. I cant call it, and obviously the Chiefs cant either.

by KCinAZ on Mar 16, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah Druful ... I'm sure DJ goes around telling himself "be mediocre, be mediocre" all the time ...

… cuz he doesn’t wanna be great …

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by upamtn on Mar 17, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

I would like to get a good pick or two for DJ….Hate the yo-yo term all you want…but he makes big plays, but also get burned, misses tackles, and is out of position the other 80 percent of the time. he will make a play that makes you say “wow” then miss 5 straight tackles…I would get value for him now that its reached its peak with the 2 INT game….either that or you sign him longterm…its one or the other…and I prefer to trade the guy. I like DJ, I was one that was so happy when he fell to us, but he hasnt panned out as a top end LB and will want to be paid like one.

Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson

by SDChief on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree...

we need to move him this offseason and get picks for this year. We need more picks and he is the only realisticly tradeable asset we have on this team.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 16, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely the most physically talented of the linebackers

With Tamba in a close second, I think under the tutelage of Crennel we’re going to see DJ become the beast he has the potential to be.

by T-train61 on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope you're right

It looks like he certainly got some productivity out of some of the Browns players that they haven’t shown since he left.

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by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same thing is said ever year

Last year was Zach Thomas saying DJ would be the best in the 3-4 ILB position…he had trouble breaking the starting lineup competing against Mays and Williams….Bad coaching decision or not he is talented enough to give the coaches without a doubt a reason to start him

by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Crennel and fit him in

new regime, we tenderest him a 1st rounder that has to account for something. Hopefully now that Pendergast is gone we will see more from DJ. He did finish the year saying he wanted to stay here and play so hopefully he was sincere.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

What is up with Haleyism?

I think the randomness of Hailey’s wrath hurt our competitive chances last year and nothing illustrates that better than the “What is Up with DJ?” show. What is the deal with this guy? Is it the horrible personnel and systems of defenses past? Is it his work ethic? How are we supposed to find out if he doesn’t play? Haley sat this guy along with Jamaal Charles in the first Raider game. What was JC doing in street clothes on the sideline and why was DJ sitting when we were getting annihilated? Did he hurt Haley’s feelings? Don’t know about Haley, maybe with the bookends of Crennel and Weis will rub off on him and he’ll stop screaming at his assistant coaches on the sideline and sitting our most talented players.

Give me some hope!

by Leftcoast_holdout on Mar 16, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

on the flip side

One could argue by holding JC out until he “got” the system, Haley helped make JC the player he currently seems to be. Would he have done the same in the second half if he played the first half and struggled?

by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I SO miss the days

When we never, EVER had to question our LB’s. We were so spoiled in the 90’s.

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by carthagechief on Mar 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

ha you arent kidding there

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 16, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with most...

Let’s see if Romeo can bring out the best in DJ.

However, if someone made a good offer for him and we traded him…it wouldn’t break my heart.

I can only take so much of the “Pollard players” (looks good one play…embarrassing the next).

by Scott B. on Mar 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

yet we got nothing for Pollard

the league isnt stupid, if they think we are going to just dump DJ then they will wait and try to snag him up. We tendered DJ with a first round pick. That was Pioli’s way of saying we know he hasnt yet reached his potential, but damn he got us on ESPN alot last year and we are going to have to get something for that.

Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....

by jrcnc on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the obvious solution is with his contract....

Why not reduce the odds of the Yo-Yo cycle to continue. Pat him on the butt a little and give him a contract extension. But along with that. Make the upside of the contract ridiculous. Giving him opportunities to double his salary or something crazy if he hits certain numbers or makes the pro bowl etc. I attended UT at the same time DJ did. He appeared to play every down in college…and boy was he a serious playmaker who created turnovers and made big plays with his body stopping the run. Anyway, incentives in a new contract could help him see the light.

by KCLonghorn on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I also wouldn't be heart broken if we traded him....

But when are we going to allow our best players to flourish? If we traded him for a second round pick or something…that’s good compensation IMO. But, I wouldn’t be shocked to see DJ show up on sports center next year making big plays. And man would that sting!! We need to maximize our potential that we currently have. That’s a huge part of being a successful franchise. I think we keep him and see what Crennel can get out of him……

by KCLonghorn on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

As far as showing up on SportsCenter making big plays…we’ve see that with Pollard. The only thing is…those of us that see EVERY play, know better.

by Scott B. on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only time I remember seeing Pollard on SC

was when he left his jock on the field after a badly missed tackle that might have saved a TD.

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 16, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is DJ's problem as I see it

He IS a freelancer and that isn’t always bad (obviously) however, when you don’t have the talent around you to be able to make some of those plays by taking yourself out of position then your freelancing becomes a liability.

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by BigRedChief on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I say we regroup with new players and coaches

and we run the wheels off of this guy

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by Buck'O on Mar 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions  

It'd be really awesome if KC could maybe provide some stability at DC

Every KC defensive coordinator since Gunther vacated to succeed Marty HC has sucked, and in the past few years, the only consistent factor was Herm’s poor coaching staff. I think DJ and a number of other guys have shown they have the talent, but are unlikely to really succeed in team-dependent aspects of the game unless they have some stability in the defensive coaching.

In other words, I think DJ can do it, but KC needs to commit to a defensive system, or he’ll continue to be a yo-yo player.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Listen...

It doesn’t really matter what we think. If Crennel thinks he can get DJ to play, then we should definitely keep him. If he doesn’t…then trade him for what we can, and move on. I trust Romeo to make the right decision.

by Scott B. on Mar 16, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yup!

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by upamtn on Mar 16, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well sure, it doesn't matter at all

But as long as the entire thread topic seems to be about the thoughts of APers… ;)

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey! no opinions allowed!!!

you Herm Hater you!

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by upamtn on Mar 17, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The obvious solution is to put a guy on the field next to DJ that can play the run/rush the QB...

DJ is far and away the most physically gifted LB on the team, but DJ’s skill set is that of spying the QB, playing in shallows coverage and reading the pass game. Time and again we have seen him pull off a big play when doing just that.

The problem is that DJ is not very good against the inside run, and he’s downright sub-standard at rushing the passer. If there isn’t a 4 foot wide hole on the line then DJ isn;t getting to the QB. He’s decent against the outside run because the can get to the corner quickly, but stuffing the inside run is just not a big part of his skill set.

We really do need DJ on the field. He’s a very talented guy, and the biggest play maker on our defense. The problem is that the ILB standing next to DJ HAS TO BE a selfless guy. Whoever is on the field at the other ILB spot has to be the run stuffer / pass rusher. They have to stay at home, fill the gaps, tackle at the line, not get pushed around, and shoot the gaps to rush the QB. We need a complimentary piece on the field next to DJ in order to allow DJ to stay on the field.

If we would STOP putting semi-ok stop gap players on the field and asking them to stuff the run we could play DJ, and we could play him in the role that he is best suited for. ILB – QB spy, edge run defender, big play maker. We could allow him to spy and roam in shallows coverage just as he is best suited for.

The problem is not DJ. The problem is Williams and Mays. They aren’t nearly as good at playing the inside run/pass rusher as DJ is in playing the role of the QB Spy/Play maker. Therefore, we have to put a second guy on the filed that can try to assist in stopping the inside run and rushing the QB. We end up having no one on the field that is really good at the shallows game, and our opponents get GREAT match-ups in their favor for short passes and dump routes across the middle. It’s been happening for the last 3 seasons with regularity. If DJ is on the field you run it up the gut. If DJ is on the sideline you pass it to the shallows.

The solution for DJ is either we stop futzing around with mediocre talented ILB run stuffers or we trade DJ and get him off the team. We need the complimentary piece on the field next to DJ in order to play DJ, and it’s not likely that were going to find that piece in the bottom of the 5th round.

ILB run stuffer / pass rusher is the second biggest need for the Chiefs. Now that we’ve added a FA NT that should be a 2 year stop gap I would argue that it’s our BIGGEST need. (Maybe ORG is bigger with Smith, Indukwae and Alleman all gone now).

Start looking for ILB’s that can dominate the middle run game, hit like a truck, drive RB’s backwards, read the run game well, and occationally shoot the gaps to take away the QB’s place to step-up in the pocket. They don’t need to play sideline to sideline. That’s what DJ does. They need to stay at home in the middle and let DJ do what DJ does best.

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by Texas Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

SPOON!!!

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by upamtn on Mar 16, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

this was just a matter of time :)

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by Buck'O on Mar 16, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I may jump on this bandwagon with you… deliberating….

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by Buck'O on Mar 16, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

FORK!!!

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by BigRedChief on Mar 16, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

KNIFE!!

I win! Whats the point of this anyway?

by chiefsandcigars on Mar 16, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

SPORK!!!

You spoke too soon Grasshopper.

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by BigRedChief on Mar 16, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec TC

As always a well thought out position :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, a definite rec on that one, TC! Spoon, you betcha! {{as my DEAR friend Sarah Palin would say}}

talk about a guy who can hit hard and make the tackles … a leader on the field … excellent against the run … can you say “trade down” … hmmmm, maybe some HYPE in the media can get him into Top 10 {{worth a shot}}

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by upamtn on Mar 17, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

clearly the guy has alot of talent

when he is allowed to play !! perfect example ..2 picks for touchdowns against denver . helped the chiefs win and kept denver out of the playoffs.. can ask for much more than that.. keep him !!!

by chiefsgonzo88 on Mar 16, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

He was "allowed" to play as a starter for 4 years

No one ever mentioned him as a potential All Pro in any of those years. I think every coach he has had has tried to put him in a position to make plays. Yes, he has a lot of play making ability, but unless he makes plays consistently or tells his coaches when he’s going to use it, he’s just wasting a roster spot.

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by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

put him

on the damn field so he can play.

by cainsbigonchiefs on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Why?

If he is out of position more than he is not or even 50% of the time how can you count on him? Why would you start a guy that hasn’t learned his assignments over the guy working hard that knows them? It doesn’t send a good message to the team. It says if you have potential we will play you even if you don’t take time to learn the assignments.

by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haley had a point to make.

Dj was inconsistent. And DJ played the part of the good soldier and didn’t complain about being benched. At least not enough to get himself into trouble. And the whole thing should have taken care of itself by, ohh, in at least a week or two. Whoe’s at fault for the several weeks after that is anyone’s guess.

I’m sure Romeo wants a crack at the kid so I think there is Zero chance he’ll be traded.

by tenacious rdc on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Haley has used DJ pretty well

I’m not convinced that Pendergast was making all the right moves, but using DJ inside on obvious passing downs plays to his strengths. He’s not played like an every down LB, at least with the Defense players we have now. It may be that with some different coaching, better NT, and other key players that DJ can be an asset as an every down LB again. But I’ll be satisfied with however Crennel chooses to use him, just like I was this year with how Clancy used him.

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by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mays

Or Mays not playing beside him…

by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

these

players are human,not robots they have bad days like we do.and no he wont be traded that would anger tru chiefs fans

by cainsbigonchiefs on Mar 16, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm certainly in no hurry to get rid of him

But if we could get another pick in the top 60 or so, then I’d be inclined to bid him farewell.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 16, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Why all the Haley lashing?

Do some of you honestly feel it is Haley holding DJ back from his potential? Physically he is the prototypical outside linebacker. He’s fast and closes quickly but DJ has an issue with the mental part of the game. He has a natural instinct at LB and he would even be “great” if he was just average at everything else. This defense is not and will not be good enough to overcome those mental mistakes even with some spectacular plays thrown in. I would take a consistent, “less spectacular” player in a heartbeat. Until then, DJ is making his own bed, not Haley. If he hasn’t put it all together in the first FIVE seasons, what makes you think he can? Sometimes the onvious is right in fron of you – if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck . . .

by Dallas Chief on Mar 16, 2010 1:00 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

you saying he' stupid?
DJ has an issue with the mental part of the game

ever memorize a playbook? ever been in a situation where things and plans change in a split second? … then change again? while you’re moving … and really BIG men are trying to you a lot …

… it must be an elephant

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by upamtn on Mar 17, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe DJ's...

Consistancy (or lack thereof) is one of the many reasons that Clancy doesn’t work here anymore…IMO Romeo can bring out the best that DJ has to offer, then and only then will we be able to fairly evaluate what kind of player he is.

by ill_spec on Mar 16, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

trade him

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by sgthall on Mar 16, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Haleys ego

gets in the way, Johnson should have never been benched. He is the biggest play maker on our D. And why not compare Harrison to Johnson, people are acting like Harrison has always been great, lets remember he was cut like 1000 times before making his name in pitt.

by penut on Mar 16, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, let's compare them

Let’s see, Harrsion was a backup for 4 seasons, and started his last three seasons. In those three seasons as a starter Harrison has been to the Pro Bowl for all three of them and been selected NFL Defensive POY once.

In his four years as a starting LB, DJ has made zero Pro Bowls. He won one Defensive Player of the Week award. In his one year as a backup he has matched that total.

Man, you’re right, Haley is really holding him back.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields

by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also played for a team that wasn't mired in organization failure the entire time

Which was certainly the case with the Chiefs under Carl Peterson. Harrison developed under a consistent, effective system that did not change in philosophy and featured high-caliber coaches. No KC Chiefs player has been able to have that since Marty resigned.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's an exaggeration

The Chiefs have certainly been a poor organization for the last few years, and I wish Carl had left when Marty did. But we’ve had several players win awards and get recognized since Marty left (Priest is a Longhorn who managed to have success in KC post-Marty).

I will agree that with rare exceptions a player needs to get into the right situation in order to succeed. But for me that doesn’t excuse DJ’s play for the last few years. I think he’s second only to Ryan Simms in being a player the Chiefs have sincerely wanted to succeed on Defense.

As I said above, I’d really love to see DJ become a star, I’ve thought he was on the verge several times. I think the reason he hasn’t is because of his own play, not the organization. If he had started under Haley, I think he’d be a much better player now. I hope it happens next season, but this is the 5th time I’ve said that during his career.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. There's no use in being a damn fool about it." ---W.C. Fields

by Big Chief on Mar 16, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again people assume that Johnson would have made more plays had he been on the field longer. That’s not necessarily the case. And what does Haley’s ego have to do with this?

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by JComp11 on Mar 16, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you have to ask ...

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by upamtn on Mar 17, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Draft Eric Berry.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Mar 16, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Johnson has been nothing but average

He’s been here how many seasons now and has underachieved every single season. It’s been the same story for 5 years. Has one game or a few plays where he looks like he’s blossoming into the potential superstar everyone thought he’d be, then disappears or becomes a liability for the other dozen or so.

by CapsLockKey on Mar 16, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

And like Death and Taxes

…you can count on a bunch of Chiefs fans saying that with THIS years coaching staff he will finally reach his potential. Do players blossom after half a decade in the league? Maybe, but the odds are stacked high against it.

by rdub on Mar 16, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I say

with crennel on board now, DJ improves. Get him signed…

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Mar 16, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

DJ's just dirty

Make it happen.

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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 16, 2010 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

i Want Derrick Johnson

On this Chiefs team, he still has alot of Upside even for a Mediocre year this last season, the only thing our LBs have towards the future is him & Tamba,, you know that. He has showed in the past that he is a Top LB including college so everyone stop being Alll HArd on him,

…& by the way it really bugged me that Corey Mays started over him or got more plays then him

by Tipzz on Mar 16, 2010 11:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Upside is a term you use with rookies

..and guys who haven’t been seasoned. DJ’s been in the league for 5 years now. We’ve already seen his upside, downside, midside, inside, etc. He is what he is. He’s had three different HCs and DCs now and all have gotten the same results out of him.

by CapsLockKey on Mar 17, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i see what yu mean..

so what do yu say?
keep him, trade him, cut him, what/
im just trying to prove a point that he helps us more then he hurts us except for last season,

by Tipzz on Mar 18, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

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