How Wiegmann, Jones, and Potentially Lilja Shape the Chiefs' Draft (and What it Could Mean for Matt Cassel)
So the Chiefs signed a 37-year old Center in Casey Wiegmann. Blah blah... Stopgap... Blah blah... Short-term fix... Blah blah. Homers will be doing cartwheels and realists may be wondering why the Chiefs are trying to plug in holes with old, over-the-hill guys. In the end, the Chiefs just signed a guy that's "just a guy." Oh, and the Chiefs are looking at Ryan Lilja as well? I guess the Chiefs are just going to settle for an okay offensive line.
Not so fast. I think the Wiegmann signing says a lot about some of the strategic things Pioli is probably thinking about going into the draft and the 2010 season. If the Chiefs bring in Lilja, it will speak volumes. And yes, leave it to me to overthink things, but I also think this changes the game on how we think about Russell Okung and Matt Cassel.
More after the jump.
The Chiefs No Longer Desperately Need OkungI don't understand why almost every draft expert I have seen lists Okung, Brian Baluga, or some Offensive Tackle as a consensus pick for the Chiefs. Okay, so based on evaluations I've seen of Okung, he looks like he could be the real deal. I'm not a huge fan of the pick, but I don't think it would be a disastrous pick. What really bothers me is that so-called draft experts are advocating that the Chiefs draft an offensive lineman no matter what. Even if that means taking second-rate Left Tackle prospects. That's a horrible decision. With a #5 pick, you do not draft out of desperation; you draft Best Player Available. In many cases, you consider even taking BPA when you have a very good player already playing that position.
First, I still believe that Branden Albert can continue to progress into a very good Left Tackle. Second, I thought the offensive line played considerably better as the season progressed. I also believe most of the problems on the Chiefs' offensive line exist at Center, Right Guard, and Right Tackle, three positions that can be easily filled in the 2nd to 4th rounds. Finally, as I'll mention later, I'm still convinced that a lot of offensive line problems can be solved with better Quarterback play. So I don't understand why the so-called experts continue to suggest that the Chiefs' offensive line situation is in such disrepair that you pigeonhole yourself into a Left Tackle pick no matter what.
So now that I'm off of my soapbox, let me tell you why Wiegmann and potentially Lilja change the draft game. It has been widely speculated that the Chiefs would draft Okung and move Albert to his college position at Left Guard, and then shift Waters over to Center. With Wiegmann in the mix, that move no longer makes any sense. So your Plan B is to move Albert either to Right Guard or Right Tackle, two positions he has never played before (and yes, Right Guard is a different position than Left Guard).
Now, granted, if you bring Lilja in, then you encounter similar problems. You assume that either Lilja can make the move to RG or that Waters would be willing to. Here's the catch. If the Chiefs bring in Lilja, that to me would decrease the chances that the Chiefs draft a Left Tackle in the draft. First, it would require you to move Albert to Right Tackle, meaning you'd have two linemen on the right side playing out of position. Second, wouldn't most people agree that upgrading at two offensive line positions with Wiegmann and Lilja is a pretty big step forward? Frankly, an offensive line with Albert-Waters-Wiegmann-Lilja-O'Callaghan isn't standout, but it's more than adequate. And for good measure, you can bring in a Center or a Guard or both in the draft.
No doubt this offensive line needs to get younger, but this hopefully puts to rest the idea that the Chiefs must pick up offensive linemen in a panic move. To me, the Chiefs' strong interest in Wiegmann, Fraley, and Lilja indicates to me that the Chiefs see their biggest problems as being on the interior line and that moving Albert to one of those Guard positions is not a move they're heavily pursuing. If they see a tremendous value at a certain pick for a Left Tackle, then they'll take him. If not, they'll pass. And by no means does reaching for a pick like Baluga make any kind of sense.
Matt Cassel's Clock Begins to Tick.... Now
On the one hand, you could argue that Pioli is trying to surround Cassel with weapons to make him successful. However, there's another way you could spin this story. Given that Cassel's contract basically has an "out clause" after this season, maybe Pioli is telling Cassel that this is a make-it/break-it season for him.
After all, if Cassel doesn't begin to show clear signs that he has franchise Quarterback potential, he can't blame it on anything or anyone else. His offensive line will be better, he has some decent receiving targets to throw to, he's surrounded by an excellent running game, and he has a terrific Offensive Coordinator calling the shots. We can't settle for just a good enough performance. We need to know that he's a Quarterback who can help carry this franchise.
After all, great Quarterbacks improve the players around them. Watching Brees and Manning in the Super Bowl, I noticed how good receivers looked great because the ball was continuously put in the right spot. Watching Brady only take 16 sacks behind the same offensive line that surrendered 47 sacks in front of Cassel led me to realize that great Quarterbacks make their offensive line better by getting rid of the ball quickly and recognizing the blitz. These are arguments I made a few weeks ago and they're especially relevant to this post. If Cassel doesn't learn to read the hot routes better, get rid of the ball faster, and develop some form of pocket presence, the offensive line will continue to be hindered by its Quarterback. Maybe Cassel becomes Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger, two Quarterbacks who have thrived in spite of holding onto the ball too long, but that's a tough risk to take.
I already got grilled for suggesting that Jimmy Clausen could be in play. If you don't believe that, I wonder if you would buy that there's a very good chance the Chiefs will bring in a competitive Quarterback option earlier in the draft. I just can't imagine that Pioli would have built his contract in the way that he did if he was thoroughly, unflinchingly convinced that Matt Cassel was his franchise Quarterback.
What Pioli has slyly done is he's brought in just enough 1-2 year stopgaps to help everyone make a clean decision on Matt Cassel. Good enough for a Super Bowl? No. Great supporting cast? No. Good enough to give Cassel plenty of opportunity to shine? Absolutely. Quietly, some of the moves the Chiefs have made have made this a make it / break it season for Cassel.
And that is why signing a 37-year old Center, a 31-year old Running Back, and a 31-year old Wide Receiver are more than just stopgap moves. It allows the Chiefs to walk into the draft without panicking with need-based picks, and it allows the Chiefs to properly evaluate Cassel's true potential as a Quarterback.
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Great job Jon.
And that is why signing a 37-year old Center, a 31-year old Running Back, and a 31-year old Wide Receiver are more than just stopgap moves. It allows the Chiefs to walk into the draft without panicking with need-based picks, and it allows the Chiefs to properly evaluate Cassel’s true potential as a Quarterback.
Bravo. (golf clap)
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
and of course, Jon's logic is impeccable as always
I absolutely agree we should draft C and G (rounds 2/3 or 2/4)
I absolutely agree Cassel sucks needs to improve greatly (been saying that for awhile myself)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
And it hasn't fallin on
deaf ears my friend. I’ve been all for giving Cassel a fair shot, but I’m alright with throwing Croyle in there for a series or two. And if all faith in Croyle is lost, then we should bring some legitimate competition into the mix.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Mar 16, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I personally have not faith in Croyle
and just a little in Cassel….If Cassel is not the option I don’t believe Croyle is what so ever unless Weis has some magic fairy dust or something
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree, i dont believe in Croyle. i would like to get a qb like clausen
by Camarobill95 on Mar 16, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle is legitimate.
As good a back up in the league right now. He is stronger than ever. ( rehab beefed him up some) Nobody can argue his arm strength or quick decisions & release.
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
by ChiefsChance on Mar 16, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Funny how that never seems to translate into Croyle being able to outperform the other QBs on the roster, to win games or to stay on the field. And did I mention that he doesn’t outperform other QBs on the roster?
Brodie…Croyle…sucks.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Put Croyle behind a better o-line and who really knows what he can do.
Croyle already has twice the arm Cassel does, and a very quick release. With good coaching(Weis), and a bigger frame he might be just fine now. I would take Croyle over Cassel as of last year, right now, if he could stay healthy. “IF” is the key word, and who know’s what Cassel looks like now with our improved line. Croyle is the big arm QB that can really wing it when he needs to or all the time. Cassel is a ball control fanatic, who won’t throw it to you unless your wide open QB. Croyle is exciting to watch, and Cassel is like watching slugs breed.
I'll Repeat
Doesn’t outperform the other QBs on the roster.
Meaning he wasn’t better than Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen or Matt Cassel, who all played behind the same line as him.
Meaning he sucks.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Can you repeat it again after this comment.
If Cassel was playing for us then, he would have sucked too. Why you might ask……..because our o-line was shite, how you or anyone one else in here thinks you can judge a QB behind a junk o-line is beyond me. Cassel wouldn’t have done any better back then. Lets just see how he play’s this year in pre-season. I bet he moves the team down the field better than Cassel does.
by CPT.Caveman on Mar 16, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel v. Croyle
If Cassel was playing for us then, he would have sucked too.
Well, Cassel did win four games for us last season. Refresh my memory…how many games has Brodie Croyle won for the Chiefs out of the 15 victories they’ve had in the four years since he’s been drafted? Is it more than Cassel? Or Thigpen? Or Huard? Or me?
Didn’t think so.
Why you might ask……..because our o-line was shite
You mean the same line that Damon Huard played behind when he outperformed Croyle in 2007 and 2008?
how you or anyone one else in here thinks you can judge a QB behind a junk o-line is beyond me
That’s because you want Croyle to be a good QB so you refuse to look at all the evidence that shows, very clearly, that he isn’t a good QB. Like how he’s never won a single game in four years. Or like how he’s never outperformed the other QBs on the roster with him. Or like how he’s never won a single game in four years. Or like how he can’t stay healthy. Or like how he’s never won a single game in four years. Or like how he’s never shown the ability to throw deep (or deeper than the other QBs on the Chiefs roster) with anything resembling consistency. Or like how he’s never won a single game in four years.
And did I forget to mention that the Chiefs have lost every single game in which he’s thrown a pass? For four years? All 14 of them?
Brodie…Croyle…sucks.
Lets just see how he play’s this year in pre-season. I bet he moves the team down the field better than Cassel does.
Yes, I’m sure he’ll be the next Casey Printers. Pity that it won’t happen in any games that matter because Brodie Croyle sucks.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
In Fact, If You Think About It
The Chiefs could have put nobody out there at quarterback in all the games where Croyle’s thrown a pass for the last four years, and it wouldn’t have changed anything in the win-loss column. Literally…the Chiefs’ center could have snapped the ball to empty air instead of Brodie Croyle in all of those 14 games and it wouldn’t have changed at all where the Chiefs ended up each year.
And that is why Brodie Croyle sucks. Because his presence doesn’t make one iota of difference for this team, but they win in his absence.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Listen i'm talking about the years before we got Cassel, not when we got him.
Cassel started last season for us not Brodie. The o-line’s i’m talking about are the ones before Cassel got here. Didn’t Croyle get hurt , so Huard got the job.Maybe if people like you would try to help with information instead of hoping someone get’s something wrong so you can make them look bad or talk down to down to them, like you and a few other do in here. But that’s kool your right and i’m wrong. Oh i dont really care what Brodie does or Cassel for that matter, but Brodie has the better arm of the two. Maybe they should have you come in, since your soooooooo smart.:P
Quick Decisions?
Are you watching the same games I am?
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Sacks
Croyle has received a sack every 13.6 attempts throughout his career as a chief and Cassel received a sack every 11.7 attempts throughout his career as a chief. If Cassel holds onto the ball too long 2 less attempts isn’t much of a difference…especially when Cassel has posted almost a 10% higher qb rating throughout his career with over three times the attempts as Croyle. Oh and did I mention how Croyle can’t play through a bruise?
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Has Cassel started behind any o-lines that Croyle played behind?
If not, your Sack stat means nothing.
They both played for the Chiefs
Croyle: 300 attempts 22 sacks from 06-09 playing for the Chiefs
Cassel: 493 attempts 42 sacks playing for the 09 Chiefs
I would love Croyle to step up and become a franchise QB. I just feel he won’t stay on the field and does not show the thoughness of Cassel. I also feel he is not a upgrade over Cassel. If Croyle is our best QB option I will be very scared. I think he is a great backup, and a great guy to be on the sidelines, but he should not be our franchise QB.
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
I hated Cassel when he got here , but he stood in there and took a lot of nasty hit’s. Him being that tough is what made me give him some respect.
i personally
like croyles playing ability. but his bones are like chalk. he crumbles as soon as he hits the ground. you cant be a good QB throwing from the floor. great backup player who can come in for a few snaps a game. as long as its not over 13.6 it seems
by trentchiefsfan on Mar 16, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll find video of some quick decisions, if you'll watch.
If we could just take Cassels head and put it on Brodie’s body, we would be set.
+1 for Haley haha
Atleast our sidelines are fun to watch
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched those
trying to convince myself he would be a good QB in the NFL in 07 and 08
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This could work
A little tougher body tho
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
it allows the Chiefs to walk into the draft without need based picks
on the offensive side of the ball. Dont forget that we still have several need based picks on the defensive side of the ball. Your right though, this is it for Matt Cassel. Pioli has put the walls in place, Weis, Jones, Weigmann, Chambers, and hopefully Lilja, now its up to Cassel to execute.
Regardless of the draft outcome or Cassels play this year i feel this team is going to be 10 times more exciting to watch next year than last year!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
I agree...
5th pick overall go with best player available. It’s not like you can’t get an offensive lineman in the later rounds. Scouts get paid to do their research. You can strike gold in the later rounds especially with players that fit your teams needs and scheme of things.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Great read!
I think we should draft defense 3 out of our first 4 picks and draft a OG with the other pick. We could get Berry, Hughes, OG, Troup in the first 3 rounds and our defense will improve dramatically.
by BiiG_C on Mar 16, 2010 9:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Great Perspective!
Your theory about what the free agent signings Pioli has made may implicate, is a very sound one, and it is a perspective I hadn’t thought of. Great Insight!
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
Med. or well done?
:)
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
LOOKS good from here
wiegman started every game for broncos last year right? Urban was 3rd wideout in arizona behind fitzgerald and boldin right? Thomas Jones had the best season of his career last year right? These moves give us options instead of dire needs. Offense is still growing but i think we played much better once LJ limped away. Cassel for sure needs to improve from last year, but he had multiple OL changes , wide reciever changes and offensive coordinator changes. Tough things to play thru and look good at it. We will improve from last year and i see at least 7-9 this year if not better considering our division. Pioli is leaving no stone unturned in trying to improve this team and slowly but surely he is doing just that. We still have all our draft picks in a defense laden draft. you all should be very happy we have improved our team w/o giving away our future. go chiefs!!!!
good point
re: OL changes and coordinator changes. I will judge Cassel (and this team really) on play after week 8.
CNN = ABC = NBC = CBS = FOX = Chris Mortenson Journalism
You are correct Jon
about Brady having only 16 sacks last season, (which by the way NE only went 11-5 which is what they did with Cassel [Granted he WAS sacked more]) but did you look at Brady’s earlier seasons? specifically the season of 2001 when Brady took the Pats to/won the 2002 superbowl? 41 sacks…yeah 41. Brett Favre this last season took the vikings to the NFC Championship game with 34 sacks during the regular season. i.e. you can’t judge a quarterback by his sacks. Will this year be a make or break it for Cassel? more than likely, but not because of his sacks…but what he will do with the team inspite of those sacks.
the year BEFORE Cassel was leading the Pats ... 2007 and Brady was QB ... look at THOSE stats
sure you can go way back to early 2001 or 2002, but keep the comps to the relatively same guys … ie, same OLine …
look at the sack totals for three years …
2007 Brady
2008 Cassel
2009 Brady
those should be your most telling statistics
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
yeah except that...
by 2007 Brady was QB with 6 years starting experience. 2008 was Cassel’s first year starting experience (Not to mention that Brady did no better in 09 than Cassel in 08 despite the huge difference in sack numbers). If you notice as well, the sacks got less and less each year from then on. And who was his OC for most of that? Charlie Weis. One thing also to notice…Cassel had more sacks with NE than with KC, albeit is only 5 more, but still a decrease none the less. And considering the line he had to work with this season, I would say that’s an improvement. But I again I must get this one main point across. ONLY TIME WILL TELL! Of course Brady’s sacks were way lower than Cassel’s, he’s had way more starting experience…and again I’ll point out Brett Favre’s high number of sacks (which was rather common for him). So is Cassel a great QB? Idk…but simply put, we will all find out together (and no sacks are not a good measure of how good the QB is otherwise Favre would be considered one of the worst QBs in football)
by NWMOChiefsfan on Mar 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the main concern is his inability to throw the ball away
I see him step in the pocket and isn’t afraid of the hit (reminds me of Warner) which is very encouraging, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him throw the ball away…not that I want him to throw it away like a girl (Rivers) but every once in a while would be nice
by groundedchevy on Mar 16, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
although I do remember him throwing it away a couple times last season (and I do mean A COUPLE) so hopefully he’s learning from his mistakes
by NWMOChiefsfan on Mar 16, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I like how
the positive spinners are dubbed as “homers” and the negative spinners are dubbed as “realists”. Pessimist or “hater” is more fitting. The realists are the people who are somewhere in the middle.
Re: Haters vs. Realists
Hmm… didn’t realize I’d done that.
+1
Just a couple of things.
Imho an Albert-Water-Wiegmann-Lilja-O’Callaghan offensive line could be more than adequate, it could be very good for at least one season. That indicates Pioli is trying to win, right now. Also this could be a make or break preseason for Cassel if he can’t win the starting job, Not likely, but possible nonetheless.
nahhhhhhhh
Pioli is trying to win, right now.
I think he still wants another 2 or 3 win season so he can get another top pick in NEXT year’s draft … right?
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Does it mean Matt Cassel
will get sack EVEN MORE in the event of better O-Line = Matt holds the ball EVEN LONGER!!!
Kansas City Chiefs will be the dark horse to make the playoffs in 2010
by 58 was my friend on Mar 16, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
haha
not necessarily. It might actually mean that he’ll have more time to make better decisions and be able to throw it to who he wants. We’ll just have to wait and see though. If he has all the time in the world and still can’t make the right decisions, then yeah, he’ll be out the door, but with Weis guiding him (who also guided brady througth his 41 sacks during the 2001 superbowl season), I’ve got a feeling Cassel can do some great things. But again, we’ll have to wait and see
by NWMOChiefsfan on Mar 16, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes we can't really compare apples to apple
yes. brady was tutored by the same coach in Weis. just making the assumption that the reason brady was successful under weis – automatically translates to cassel being successful under weis is not absolutely accurate. if all it takes is a position coach or offensive mind to fix the problems of a QB, then the league would be fighting for these position coaches. a lot of brady success has to do with Tom himself. If Cassel was anything close to a Tom Brady, Belichick would have kept Cassel and traded Brady. Guys like Brady and Montana don’t come around the way most people think – if its just a Offensive Coordinator – Brady Quinn would have been a stud out of college.
Kansas City Chiefs will be the dark horse to make the playoffs in 2010
by 58 was my friend on Mar 16, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
i wouldn't rule out
Niswanger competing for RG, it seems like a more natural position for him.
by just a guy on Mar 16, 2010 10:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
a lot of people on here have said the same thing
regardless we have Ndukwe, Colin Brown, and Niswanger that could all compete it out for RG.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
i like rudy on the line he is a massive man
But he just gets beat with poor tech. If he moves to guard it should help him out
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2010 10:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i think it was to much for him to handle
between the snap and getting prepared to block he was always getting beat. Hopefully just focusing on blocking and pulling he can do better.
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
He started a few games there in 07
before he got hurt
by irishking44 on Mar 16, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
good read.
I agreed with almost every perspective you took.
by Jew Boy on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
+1 for competence, logic, and strong supporting facts.
these are the kind of posts that make you wonder about the LT @ #5 advocates.
personally, i think if any offensive player goes at 5, it is a qb or WR. still think it is D all the way though. pioli knows this team is still a couple years away from the foundation he wants to build. and as it has been said, it takes defensive players a couple years to transition.
whether you’re right about this being cassel’s make or break season (and i think you’re on to something), i think that the veteran moves are more about winning games and instilling a winning disposition/attitude/expectation/hunger etc in the young, core players we have. you gotta get rid of the losing attitude, and you have to win at the same time. pioli doesn’t want old guys starting, but does want winners coming in with their knowledge and work ethic dissipating to the young foundational core.
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Mar 16, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
Hold on a moment..
Your going to take a guy in Lilja thats played the LG position since college, is said to not be that great of a run blocker, and put him at RG? The RG position is probably one of the most important positions within the Chiefs offense with the pulling duties.. The RG needs to be probably one of the better run blockers if they continue to run the same blocking assignments in the run game.. Everybody saw what happened with an ineffective Mike Goff at RG, the run game was non existent and completely butchered with missed blocks..
As true as that might be
You gotta look at who was being blocked for…I mean come on.
by NWMOChiefsfan on Mar 16, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: Warpaint
This is one of the reasons I found the Chiefs’ interest in Lilja a little strange. I just don’t think you move Waters at this stage of his career, especially since he has the chance to line up next to a young Offensive Tackle, whether that’s Albert or a draft pick. This might sound crazy, but I can almost see the Chiefs signing Lilja as a stopgap RG until Waters retires. Or maybe they just move Waters to RG.
Or maybe they do neither and move Niswanger, or continue to look at Colin Brown or Daryl Harris at the position.
Who knows.
question
Can someone explain the “out clause” in Cassell"s contract that the post references?
This is the first I have heard of it.
Re: Out Clause
Sure. Cassel’s contract has $28M in Guarantees that are all earned in the first two years of the contract.
He’s due a $7M+ Roster Bonus in 2011. That’s only if he makes the roster. Unlike a signing bonus, you don’t take a cap hit if you cut the player before the roster bonus is extended.
They can essentially cut Cassel for free next season, if they want to. At least, based on the details I’ve seen from the contract. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Why all the hate on O'Call?
I don’t get why everyone says RT is such a priority. We struggled early on at the position with Ike starting there but after O’Call got into his groove he was very good for us. I’m not bashing your article I’m just saying that I think this is a case of saying a player needs to be replaced just because you haven’t heard about him as much as others or wasn’t outlandishly amazing. With that being said, I wouldn’t prioritize replacing him since he is still eons ahead of Mcintrash, Chris Terry, Kyle Turley, and whatever other poo manned that position for us before he got here
I didn't see any hate for O'cal
In the post Jon even projected him as the starter. I don’t think he is anything to get excited about but I thought he played well for an UDFA. He is still young too which is a huge plus.
Enjoyed the post
liked the analysis and rec Jon
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
I did not read many of these posts...so please excuse any repeating I may do.
Jon, I think you wrote a nice article. I am not sure I agree that your reasoning draws the conclusion that acquiring Lilja decreases the odds of the Chiefs taking a left tackle in the draft.
I do agree, however, that the acquisition of these new lineman further liberate the Chiefs in the upcoming draft.
As a quick aside
The frequent AP argument for not wanting Okung:
1. Moving a player from one position to another is bad, they’re not the same position.
2. Drafting a LT would cause a player to move from one position to another.
3. Therefore, drafting a LT is bad.
Like most debates, the challenge boils down to the premise. And in this case I disagree with the #1 assertion.
If we apply this same logic to the current signing of Ryan Lilja then we must conclude that is was a bad thing to bring Lilja on board. The reasoning? Just as Jon suggested in his post.
Now, granted, if you bring Lilja in, then you encounter similar problems. You assume that either Lilja can make the move to RG or that Waters would be willing to
It is not that moving lineman is bad (it does take a lot of work to go from one side to another). It is whether the move will make your team better or not.
If it makes you better…then you do it.
p.s. Other teams are discovering Okung. He wont be around at #5.
Bewsaf
if you truly believe
clausen is in play, I have some ocean front property in arizona i’ll sell you.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
With the signing of these free agents we have strengthened a poor OL
Wiegmann is 37 thus an old Center yet productive so he might last 2 yrs we need a Center badly so we will have to draft one.I like Pouncey 2a We need a RG or someone to fill that spot so 1 5th rounder should be a OT/G prospect with a big upside (lots of room to improve). We need a NT Crennel likes Troup 2b or 3rd round. We need a ILB 2b or 3 round. who I don’t know enough to pick one. We need a WR do we need size speed or a project 1 5th rounder there we have one 5th rounder left who do we pick BPA???
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
1st pick is...
Berry of course
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
There is another possibility.....
What if Waters retires? What if the brass knows that Waters may be gone for what ever reason in the near future? Then we would have a gaping hole. I cant see us passing on Okung if he’s there. I know the heat is on the way for this statement, but I kind of hope we keep 5. The talent at the top of this draft is great. Who knows who will really be great?……no one does, but I believe Okung, McCoy, Suh, Berry are all top notch talent that will end up being great. We have a good chance to land 1 of them.
Cassel Contract "Out Clause"
I wasn’t aware of the “out clause” becoming executable in the 2nd year of Cassel’s contract…..does anyone know exactly what it says, how it reads, and if it affects his guaranteed money? I’d really like to read that thing.
Cassel
The dude threw as many interceptions as he did TDs, getting sacked is one thing. Making bad decisions is another. If he proved his salt with NE in his best NFL season he still had 21 TDs and 11 INTs.
Career TDs 39 INTs 29 not a very impressive statistic to me. Go to NFL.com and pull up QB stats for regular season 09. For less than 500 attempts his INT to TD ratio is terrible compared to the top QBs. I mean a bunch of QBs above him and if you look at the ratios he really is worse than some QBs that we would and do consider scrap.
Ya win games scoring points not giving the other team the ball. Now I know the line sucked but other guys playing behind weak lines threw less INTs than him. April will be interesting…..
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.

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