Could the Browns Shake Up the Top of the NFL Draft?
by Matt Conner on Mar 15, 2010 8:14 PM CDT
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PrintIf Mary Kay Cabot is correct, the next six week should be a lot of fun. And even if the Chiefs aren't directly involved, the potential swirl at the top of the draft around them should affect everything they're planning on.
According to a recent Twitter post (weird to write that out as an actual news source) by Cabot, who's the Browns beat writer for the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, new Team President of Everything Mike Holmgren announced "he'll consider drafting a QB with the Browns No. 7 pick or trading up to get one." She also notes that, "He likes QB Sam Bradford 'a lot.'"
What does this mean? Well, if the guy likes Sam Bradford enough, it means the entire draft will change from the top down. I realize that Adam Schefter also has the Rams liking the same quarterback and they also have the first pick, but we all know the risk and cost associated with a top pick in the draft, so it's hard to believe the Rams wouldn't at least listen to offers. Then again, general manager Billy Devaney said that very thing at the recent NFL Combine, noting that he's open to listen to any offers.
No matter how the trade scenarios shake down, there's one primary thing for Chiefs personnel to have to worry about: having to choose among the best defensive players in the draft. Most mock drafts now have the Chiefs grabbing the best safety in the draft in Eric Berry. But what if Gerald McCoy or even Ndamukong Suh were somehow available at No. 5. Do the Chiefs have to at least think about taking another defensive linemen that high? After all, those two are supposedly the top two talent-wise in the entire draft.
Whether it's the Seahawks, the 49ers, the Jaguars, the Bills or the Browns trading up, the end result for the Chiefs remains the same, since each and every team who would seek to trade up higher than the No. 5 pick would most likely be aiming for a quarterback. And Holmgren's public statement -- true or not -- means that those teams who were thinking about making a move before better get their offers ready because someone at least has made a public declaration of interest.
It's the game of draft chicken that becomes so much fun to watch every year and Holmgren's new landing spot certainly provides a nice level of intrigue.
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Awesome
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
Does anyone know if
you can use a traded pick to grab a restricted free agent? I have this dream of trading back in the first twice and picking up a handful more picks and then using our late round first to grab a restricted free agent with a first round tender. Brandon Marshall plus 4 second rounders? Sounds good to me.
Well I think it would be too late by then to make the trade
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
not to me
stay away from marshall
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Mar 15, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Trading for Marshall sounds more like a nightmare more than just a dream.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Mar 16, 2010 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want Brandon Marshall for a 7th rounder and a box of Wheaties
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by CPT.Caveman on Mar 15, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love it
But that will only happen if some other team signs him to an offer sheet and trades him to us. If we were to sign him we would have to give the equivalent of our #5 pick. Marshall is a beast.
by bonesjackson on Mar 15, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
if by "beast" you mean jackass ... then yeah, you're right
Marshall is trouble
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5 minutes!!!
One word that should be associated with Marshall... "NO". Make it two words..."HELL NO"! Dudes a Cancer!
So you think you are so important that no one can replace you? Put your finger in a bucket of water and pull it out. Does it leave a hole? Nope, just some ripples that eventually calm themselves!
by Fan of the Red And Gold on Mar 15, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, would you want to
give Broncos one of your first round picks. They are only one of the most hated rivals of the Chiefs nation. If Marshall played for a team like Arizona or a team we only see once every three years, then I would consider it. But not to Denver.
by Richard James Tice on Mar 16, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
A traded pick can be used
However, it has to be slotted within a certain part of the round. I’m not sure what determines the slot, though.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Holmgren has the position, the power, and the picks to make that happen
What 12 picks as of today and a definite need to built the Browns around.
They have a descent Defense and the QB position has held them back (oh Mangini)
Special teams second to none.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
did you say TWELVE picks???
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well
7
38
71
92
102
129
130
133
156
167
176
plus the trade today of wil**** something
makes 12 I think
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
holy guacamole, Batman!
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Oh OH
1 7 Cleveland Eric Berry FS Tennessee P2 +3 Value
2 38 Cleveland Ricky Sapp DE43 Clemson P1 -4 Reach
3 69 Cleveland Aaron Hernandez TE Florida P3O +6 Value
3 71 Cleveland Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana (PA) P2 -15 Reach
3 92 Cleveland Tim Tebow QB Florida P4 +38 Value
4 102 Cleveland Kyle Calloway OT Iowa P3R -24 Reach
5 130 Cleveland Jeremy Williams WRF Tulane P4 +13 Value
5 133 Cleveland Linval Joseph DE34 East Carolina P3R -33 Reach
5 142 Cleveland James Starks RBF Buffalo P4R -8 Reach
5 156 Cleveland Adam Ulatoski OG Texas P4R -7 Reach
6 167 Cleveland Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky P4R -21 Reach
6 176 Cleveland Joique Bell RBF Wayne State P4 +21 Value
I think multiple hate might be coming
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I like...
any scenario that ends up with the Chiefs taking Berry
by CHIEFin on Mar 15, 2010 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Flagged
Unecessary Berry reference
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 15, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
+14
I’ve been waiting to do that to a negative Berry comment for like a week now. Thanks Craig!
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Unflagged
Intentionally upsetting Craig.
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this could be a good opp for KC
If Clausen is there at 5, kc could get a decent haul from cleveland so they can move up. Swap #1s and then a second and maybe a fourth as a starter? Either way, the price usually is fairly high for a qb in the top 5.
by golfbard on Mar 15, 2010 8:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Scenario...Suh falls to 5
Favre comes back.
Williams brothers get suspended for the use of Starcaps
Vikings looking to “win now” trade their 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks to the Chiefs and draft Suh
Vikings win the Superbowl this year and Favre retires and immediately ascends into heaven
Chiefs parlay the many draft picks and becomes a perenial winner
With Vikings 2nd round pick, Chiefs draft Tim Tebow
Chiefs win the Superbowl next year and Tebow wins SBMVP
Craig dies a happy man at the age 32 after a 8 hour threesome with the girl from “Big Bang Theory” and gatsby’s mom
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 15, 2010 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
when are you going to actually do the dream sequence?
I’ll wait
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
flagged
Unnecessary tebow reference
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Mar 15, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leaf, leave him alone, willya? poor craig ...
… can’t you see he’s in LOVE!
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Whitlock Rocks!
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+14
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by mysonmylife on Mar 16, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
forget the rest
lets hope the last statement comes true and forget happy while your doing it
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
I guess the sarcasm font escapes you
otherwise wishing death upon AP members is flaggable
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO
Tebow with a 2nd rounder? If he is there in the 4th I am game.
by bonesjackson on Mar 15, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If Suh falls to 5
then the Chiefs pick him. He is going to be a dominate DT for many years to come.
by Richard James Tice on Mar 16, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
no they wont
same was said about dorsey and yet here we are about to throw him under the bus. if suh fell to 5, which he won’t, i don’t think pioli will be as cruel as some of us fans. we have two DTs taken in the top 5 the last two years. the only spot that needs to be addressed on the D-line is NT and suh is clearly not that. at least not in pioli’s eyes. if suh is there we will pass.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
Dunno about all that
but it’d as awesome as Craig’s fantasy!!!
Thomas Jones and the Lombardi, DO IT!
fantasy, huh? back in MY day we called it "drug abuse"
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
IF Suh falls to 5, AND Favre comes back....
I can see all of that happening exept the part of Tebow being SB MVP;that would be Greg Hill who comes out of retirement and runs for 313 yards and 5 td’s defeating the Detroit Lions in Superbowl 40whatever. And the part about the threesome.You would be dead tired after 3 hours.
they COULD trade up
but, NOT to #1, IMO
they could get to 3 or 5
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
Interesting stuff...
I wonder where Delhomme and Seneca Wallace fit in to the picture…if the Browns want to draft one of the top QB’s?
1 or 2 year starters, while the rookie develops
that’s my guess
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
Browns hand Delhomme the keys to the car
But still draft Bradford. If Delhomme plays well (unlikely), all is good….If Delhomme plays poorly (likely) Bradford starts after the byeweek. Seneca Wallace was never brought in to me more than a clipboard holder/wildcat doer.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 15, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
wildcat doer?
… my mind is in the gutter … as usual
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I thought a google image search
Cougar doer seems well covered :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
cougar with a clipboard?
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Win Win
If Berry, Suh or Mccoy are still available I dont think we can go wrong with any of them.
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SSG MOARNG
by bryan.whitcraft on Mar 15, 2010 9:23 PM CDT reply actions
agreed ... and add Okung to that list ... as talented as he is
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yes many options
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
talented yes
but compared to those others named, not even close. he’s an average LT at best in the NFL. that’s my opinion at least. but hey you are correct in that we can’t really do wrong. i’ll stand by my if we take a LT at 5 that it is a waste, but if we did by some random chance, at least it’s not going to make our o-line any worse.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
I could see the rams
trading down from #1 on this
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
This sucks!
Now I have to completely redo my mock draft.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
hahah
1.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
was just over at Pride of Detroit, saying "hey" to my newfound friends there ...
while wasting time preparing ever so hard for our own mock draft, and the guys were telling me that all the talk now is a POSSIBLE trade down from the Lions #2 pick with either Seattle or … kaching! … Cleveland
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Why not
Holmgren has 12 picks so far
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
12??? Holmgren's gonna orgasm by the time draft weekend is over
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why not? be more entertaining than watching Tebow in the "waiting room" for 4 rounds
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Only Question is are the Rams smart enough to pull the trigger?
They are in more need than we are I could also see them moving up to #5 if Claussen is available to get a QB too.It is almost a win win for them.
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If Suh drops to 5 Dorsey will be on his way out of town.
I can’t see Pioli passing up on Suh at DE and he’ll replace the high pick sending to Dorsey out of town for a late first or very early second and a player. Just my opinion. If McCoy drops I think we take him as NT and keep Dorsey as is.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
That trade will probably be for next years draft
I’m not a fan of it
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Im not either but I wouldnt be surprised by the scenario one bit.
If it is for a next year pick it will be a first then for sure I’d think.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
it would be insane to have two firsts next year
but I’d HATE waiting a year to fill the void. I think Cleveland could very well make moves to cause Suh to drop… maybe…
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Well
Theres a few scenarios for the Browns depending who they want but I’m not sure any of them change our draft plans.. If they move up to #1 it doesnt change the draft any because Bradford will still go first. If St. Louis passes on Bradford then the Browns have to get ahead of the Skins I would think which again probably wont affect our draft scenario much either.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 15, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as my simple mind can figure...
I dont see any scenario where Suh/McCoy or Berry wont be available.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 15, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point about 1 of the three falling to us (Suh/McCoy/Berry), But I'd take Okung over McCoy
Suh, Berry, or Okung for me!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Mar 16, 2010 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I would rather have Dorsey over McCoy. They are pretty much the same player. Suh can and will play NT for us. I know he isn’t 330 LBS but he has the strength and more endurance than someone that large. The man is a beast. I would be happy with Suh or Berry
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by mysonmylife on Mar 16, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Dorsey will be staying
Dorsey plays DE, Suh plays DT. Either way, we would have three top 5 picks playing the DL (Dorsey, Suh, Jackson).
by Richard James Tice on Mar 16, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Dorsey to me is a giant waste of skill/talent at NT.
Not saying he cant play it just saying thats not using him to his full potential. Suh is a DT in a 4-3 but in a 3-4 hes much better suited on the end.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 16, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
And in all fairness Dorsey is only a DE because theres no where else for him to play.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 16, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think they are pretty much the same player but Dorsey has a year playing the position
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by mysonmylife on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see
either STL trade down with CLE allowing CLE to take Bradford, then STL trading up with KC to take Clausen
OR
STL taking Bradford and KC trades down with CLE and CLE takes Clausen.
And heres why.
I’m on the Eric Berry train no matter what happens. If we can trade down with CLE, pick up an additional pick, and still draft Berry, then thats what we need to do.
Problem with that scenario...
Seattle just ditched another DB and really have no other DB worth mentioning other then Trufant. With both QBs off the board and potentially the “best” LT(i say that because i dont think much of Okung) gone as well they will have Berry staring them in the face and I cant see them passing on that.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Mar 16, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Seems reasonable
I saw Seattle taking Dez Bryant, so I hoped
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Haden
Haden is the best true corner in the draft. If they need a CB seattle might grab him
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by mysonmylife on Mar 16, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
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