Can Josh McDaniels Turn Brady Quinn Into The Next Matt Cassel?
by Joel Thorman on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 AM CDT
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PrintBrady Quinn and Matt Cassel aren't really that similar at all. One started nearly all four years at Notre Dame while the other sat on the bench at USC. One was a first round pick while the other was taken in the draft's final round. One came in with high expectations and the other came in with no expectations.
But because of how Brady Quinn's career started, some folks are wondering if Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels can turn him into another success story ala Matt Cassel.
From Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post:
No, I'm not a Brady Quinn fan, but I'm a huge Josh McDaniels fan, and if anyone can bring out the best in Quinn, it's McDaniels. If McDaniels can make Matt Cassell successful, there has to be hope for Quinn.
Kyle Orton will reportedly remain the starter and Lombardi reports Quinn will be there to push Orton.
Will it work? We don't know yet but McDaniels does have the resume to argue that he's one of the best people to push Quinn in the right direction.
As of now, Cassel has the advantage because he's at least demonstrated that given the right situation he can be successful.
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I think McD is a pretty good off corr. and he will find a way to work with Quinn's abilities.
Orton starts the season but is surplanted by Quinn after KC stomps the fudgin’ snot out of them in their first meeting.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Charlie's got 4 years on Lil Josh and Romeo w a few as well
They better hope he’s not starting against us! Is it me or does it seem like the Broncos are just doing what they did when they got all those over the hill Cleveland D boys. Not a damn thing!!! AFC West Champs 2010 Book It!
I think McDaniels gets a little too much credit for Cassel
Yes he obviously should get some, but I’d give a lot of credit to Tom Brady as well. In fact Cassel himself gives a lot of credit to Brady. People want to point out what he’s done with Orton, but before he got hurt Orton was having a pretty good year in Chicago.
Matt Cassel doesn't get enough credit for Matt Cassel.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
thank you
My bold prediction for 2010....The Chiefs win the AFC west with a 9-7 record, while the Chargers fall off, Denver remains the same, and Oakland, well enough said.
by DirtySouth Chiefs Fan on Mar 15, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
+14
Member of the Eric Berry Fan Club
by jakethesnake27 on Mar 15, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
+7
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
Perhaps McDaniels does get too much credit,
but McDaniels took Cassel in ‘08 and turned him into the trigger man for an offense that was almost as dynamic and prolific as the ’07 Pats. He also played to Cassel’s strengths, which is smart.
I hope he fucks with Quinn's head and causes a complete mental breakdown.
Seriously guys. It’s the Donkeys. We want them to fail miserably.
Official member of the "Draft Eric Berry" fan club... But I'm not changing my picture, dammit!
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions
I hope McD has a mental breakdown. {{snicker snicker}}
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
In order for McDaniels to have a mental breakdown
he ould first need to have a brain.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
Right on!
Never wish death or injury, but nothin wrong w wishing them to go 0-16. Lil Josh is in over his head and to now have a qb controversy w a top wideout that doesn’t want to be there. LOVE IT! SD doin the same as well. The Raiders, well, they’re the Raiders!!!
Not 0-16, we want them to beat the Chargers and Raiders at least once.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Hell no
I never want the Donkey’s to win…ever.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
"at least once"???
Hell no! I want to beat Denver, SD, and Chokeland both times this year and THEN (since it’s impossible for them to ALL go 0-16) let them beat the crap outta eachother, only to finish the year below .500…. Now, THAT is a dream come true.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
I want the BRONCOS to beat them at least once.
I never like seeing any of them win but if it came down to a situation where Denver had to beat San Diego for us to win the division then you bet your ass I’m pullin’ for the Donkeys.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I can live with that.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No
Quinn was a highly touted 1st rd pick out of college while matt cassel was a 7th rd back up in college. Cassel already has succeeded everyone’s expectations coming out of school while Quinn equals fale. i had no sleep last night, sorry if this post is nonsensical
Quinn equals fale
= fail
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Not english, spelling. ( ;
(okay I’m done)
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Are any of us teachers?
Most people have to post fast because of work, school, etc. Just wanna get points and opinions out there. Shouldn’t be graded on AP! =) Go Chiefs!!!
I wasn't trying to rag on him, just ribbin' him a little, but when you say someone = fail you should spell it correctly. JacinB corrected my correction and I have ot problem with that.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I told you guys
that i’m runnin on fumes and shit right now
by irishking44 on Mar 15, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I was just funnin' ya Irish, not hard feelings?
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha! No hard feelings.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
fail?
how is Quinn a bigger failure then Cassel? what has Cassel proven? proven he knows how to hold on to the ball to darn long and get sacked. proven he cant throw a deep ball. and this was w/ a good team like the Pats. Quinn has yet to have any sort of help.
sorry but to many people are on Cassel’s band wagon when he hasn’t proven himself worth it.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
He's proven
in the right situation he can win 11 games like he did in NE. Brady hasn’t done a damn thing other than suck.
by CapsLockKey on Mar 15, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
So the season he had going 10-6 w NE doesn't prove anything?
Battered O-Line not a very good defense that year. I say that proved to be a starter in the NFL, where Quinn hasn’t proved he can beat out Derek Anderson
he has proven he can beat the Chiefs.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, he's proven that he can hand the ball off well enough to not lose to the Chiefs
After all, in that game the Chiefs allowed the single best rushing performance of the season.
I thought it was
the second best rushing performance of all time!
by CapsLockKey on Mar 15, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
None the less he was the starter.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh, not really.
He was 10 of 17 for 66 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs (for a whopping 27.7 passer rating) against the Chiefs. The guys who beat us were the guys running (and returning) the ball.
I know, but everyone always points to Cassel's 10 wins as a reason he has starter potential.
I think Cassel > Quinn.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
So he shouldn't be starting for us then?
I’m confused. 1rst year new team new team not 1 but 2 new o-coaches new o-line new wrs new terminology new timing. I mean does any of that go into consideration? I think you can’t really judge him till his 2nd year. Everyone else gets that pass(dorsey, tj) why shouldn’t he?
Please see above. I was playing Devil's advocate.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't sweat it. When you play Devil's advocate you have to expect it.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I knew you were gonna say that. ( ;
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really much of an accomplishment last year
Even Jamarcus Russell beat the Chiefs. He actually did it with his arm and not handing off the ball to boot.
by CapsLockKey on Mar 15, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say in both those games we beat ourselves.
Many of our losses are more our deficiencies/mistakes than the other teams positives. Sad but true.
battered line?
oh come on. inlighten me. see, cassel band wagon. i’m sorry how can someone get, what was it sacked 50+ times on 1 team. Superbowl caliber team, Swap QB’s to Tom Brady, he doesnt get sacked nearly as many times. sorry cassel holds on to the ball way to damn long plain and simple.
and what has Quinn done? um he did beat Cassel. I believe Browns got the W and not the Chiefs. a Win is a Win.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
Agree
and having Joe Thomas protect his blindside must suck because that guy is terrible isn’t he? /sarcasm
by CapsLockKey on Mar 15, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
i actually like JT lol
better then LJ
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
my bad
lol
read it wrong haha. thought u said Thomas jones
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
Just cuz I think Matt Cassel is our QB
doesn’t mean I’m on a bandwagon. It means I believe he can get the job done when we finally start to get some more pieces around him. I think the last thing we need right now is a QB. But I guess thats a bandwagon fan talkin.
I think he can get it done too
But with all those pieces thats needed i think any QB would be able to get it done. My argument is people praise how high and mighty Cassel is. the guy couldnt start over Leinert at USC. and Look at where Leinert is now? forced to start unless Cards get a new QB. and I personally think Leinert sux. thats just me. now if Cassel some how kicks ass then good for him and i’ll retract my statements. but as of right now, he hasnt proven anything. and people are making it seem like he’s proven.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
Who said he's all high and mighty?
We’ve been saying hes proven to be our QB which he has. Tom Brady had the same team this year as Cassel did, how’d Brady do? Not the Patiots, but Brady. I dont think Peyton Manning would have the same success w that O-line last year and the WR
Brady was missing
Vrabel, Bruschi, and Seymour, granted they’re not offensive players, but you do have to have a defense.
The pats are getting older every year, and their armor is showing wear and tear, and the young guys they’re bringing in have stood on the side for older vets and now they’re finding out they weren’t that good, if they even made the team.
The patriots Org. is sick and on the decline.
Brady took how many sacks behind the same line that Cassel did? How many sacks did Cassel take?
by mcclanahanman on Mar 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Brady was missing Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour, yes.
The defense was statistically better in 2009, however.
The NE OL can't be treated as a constant.
They had SERIOUS problems at RT that started ironing themselves out in ’08. But RT was pretty awful in NE in the beginning of ’08. Cassel won a few games on sheer grit and determination.
and the RG and LT positions
were having problems with speed rushers this past season, and with Brady taking heat on his blind side and up the middle he still wasn’t sacked as much as Cassel was.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 15, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
How many years has Brady been a starter? And how many years has Cassel?
and Tom Brady’s 1st 2 years as a starter—72 sacks
damn ya'll can come up with the excuses for Cassel
by mcclanahanman on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
How is that an excuse?
Im simply stating facts
by badassz1987 on Mar 15, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You know QBs change protections at the line, right?
I’m willing to be Brady reads a defense a shit-ton better than Cassel.
No question he holds the ball too long. But, there ARE other factors when considering sacks.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
by ArrowSpread on Mar 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone hearing trade rumors?
on 610 they just talked about Dorsey to Rams for 2nd round pick and Carriker. Said its somewhere on ESPN
Hilarious
That was a ‘rumor’ that came from a question by a fan to an ESPN blogger.
So no, that doesn’t even qualify as a rumor.
Unless you're Mortenson.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh, no.
Did they say where they hear it, or was it just something they brought up to spark discussion and get people to call in … ?
Doubt it
www.rotoworld.com loves shit like that. They would’ve had something about it. Someones just bored today and wanted to stir the pot
You mean this?
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/15507/mailbag-chiefs-rams-trade-idea
A fan sent in an email asking whether or not it might be possible. Is that what passes for a ‘rumor’ now?
i guess
thats what they were talking about. they sure played it off on the show like it was at least a legit rumor. Sorry dudes.
Not your fault, man.
I blame Nick Wright for being overreactionary and trying to drum up interest in his show.
That might have been Nick Athan, he's an unreliable idiot.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
by BigRedChief on Mar 15, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I shouldve known
that the wonderful people that run this site would have gobbled that up and had wonderfully written article about it long before any radio show picked it up.
Nick Wright said
That Boldin was ours unless Baltimore offered a 2nd.
Every spring Kyle Orton gets a new companion
Somebody is always messing with that guy. Quin’s a solid pickup for the Donkeys, nothing more, nothing less. It’s has at least 1000 times more impact to the mediaphere than it actually does in the league.
Dude. His name is Neck Beard.
And, honestly, if anyone had any faith in him, they wouldn’t keep bringing in QBotF backups.
after they way mcdaniels season went last year
I’m convinced that mcdaniels couldn’t turn water into ice
by chiefs8288 on Mar 15, 2010 11:54 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Brady can fumble, throw int's...
make bad decisions but I don’t think he can hold onto the ball as long as Matt…… I could be wrong.
Brodie's better than Cassel
I hate even hearing that McD made Cassel good
First off, did McD build a great offense in NE or did he inherit one
Next, was McD in Cassel’s head telling him when to throw the ball and to who
also, We have Quinn’s college head coach and the guy who drafted him, why did they seemingly not want him?
and last the 49ers only got a 7th round pick for shaun hill, i think denver overpaid
Can Josh McDaniels Turn Brady Quinn Into The Next Matt Cassel?
Better yet, can he make Chicken salad out of Chicken shit?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
bq. Can Josh McDaniels Turn Brady Quinn Into The Next Matt Cassel?
I have a different question…
Now that he’s a Donco, is okay for Shaun Smith to knock him out?
either your a good quarterback.. or your not
quinn is not
cassel is
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
Against the Chiefs, Quinn looked like a pretty good, but beleaguered QB.
His WRs were too small, and were pretty easily manhandled by our DBs. And Quinn was pretty much making the pass attempts a good QB should attempt against a team like KC, showing what they were showing. It was just that KC (in particular, Brandon Flowers) won the key 1-on-1 matchup (bullied the quick, but small player) that Quinn was obliged to exploit. Just didn’t quite have the horses at the other end of the pass to make it a consistent producer. I didn’t see Quinn as the guy who was at fault in Cleveland.
Lebensraum, up above, has compared this deal to the one for Shaun Hill, lately outta ’Frisco, and feel that Denver overpaid for Quinn. Could be a valid point, there.
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