Our Starting Defense after the Draft
by tmurawsk on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 AM CDT
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Flowers Jackson Cody Dorsey Berry
Vrabel Johnson Williams Hali
Page Washington
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Defense:
This is how I envision our starting defense looking like. You probably will first notice that I have Eric Berry at cornerback. With all this talk about being a safety, nobody has taken notice that Berry has the athleticism/skills to play any position in the secondary. He would be much more useful at cornerback and he would shine there as well. This would give us a great nickle back as well in Brandon Carr. I'm moving Donald Washington to safety because I have heard great things about him but he is raw. He has the athleticism to play cornerback but I believe he could make the transition to safety. I'm still holding out hope that DaJuan Morgan can emerge as a starter but it could be an interesting position battle in training camp. I would love to see Terrence Cody in the middle of our line, where he could plug up blockers and allow our below average lineback corp to make plays. I don't see a lot of difference in our linebackers this year but Corey Mays and Andy Studebaker provide good depth. My only concern is Mike Vrabel, who I see as being a liability as a full-time starter. It would be great to find a replacement for him in the draft. If somehow we don't pick up Cody, I would look to draft someone like LB Jerry Hughes, a player that can get to the quarterback and is very solid against the run. I honestly can only see about two players from this draft being a starter on defense. I would devote our first two picks to defense definitely, and then start looking at upgrades to wide receiver and offensive line for the next two.
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And we let a solid corner in Carr slip to the bench... yet start Washington at safety?
I don’t like it. I don’t like it at all.
Berry has excelled at the safety position. No need to mess with stuff that isn’t broken.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
exactly...
instead of moving a S to CB and a CB to S… let everyone play the positions they were drafted for
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
by stagdsp on Mar 15, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Safeties have little value at #5
shut down corners do
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
C'mon man.
That argument is getting tired.
Berry is considered by most to be the best safety to come out of college in the last 5-6 years. A lot of professional analysts have him as a top 3 overall prospect.
How is it that DE, NT, LB, and CB are all believed to be ok top 5 pick positions… but not S? No position is restricted from being a #5 overall, unless it’s a kicker.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
And maybe a C.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Long snapper, punter, center, backup QB, etc
IMO at 5 it’s not as much about his position, it’s if he is a gamer, if he has skills, if he is a playmaker. Berry fits all of those.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
3-4DE’s don’t have a lot of value in the top 5 either, but KC has TWO of those…
positional value is WAY overrated, and not of huge concern to Pioli, apparently
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
So you wouldn't want a shutdown corner
for the money we are about to plunk down on Berry
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Carr as a nickel would upgrade that spot too
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I really dislike all of the talk
about drafting a guy just to move someone else to a different position where it will be an ‘upgrade or everyone will thrive’
Berry could play corner on certain plays, keeping Carr/Flowers on the field. IF Washington is supposed to be the nickel or #2 corner of the future, I can’t see Pioli/Haley/Crennel pushing him farther down the depth chart and giving him less playing time.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If we want a shutdown corner,
then we should draft a corner, not a safety.
by WoodyardBBQ on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
What if the safety can shut down half of the field?
Not going to say he is the next Reed of he as good as Reed, but IF Berry turns out close to Reed our defense could be very flexible.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
So you wouldn't want a ball hawking safety?
And leave Berry at his most natural position?
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Most people
are forgetting how much a good cover safety improves your CBs chances of making great plays. It’s easier to be aggressive when you have that help over the top.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Mar 15, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So Free safety?
Which again was not exactly the position Berry played at Tennessee
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He played FS up til last year
which he was played of a more SS role, in the box, run stopper.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't want Berry playing the SS spot
would be a waste of his talent to the Chiefs.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
move Page over to the SS to take advantage of his coverage and hitting ability. While allowing Berry to roam to the ball and clean up plays.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Polamalu plays SS.
Why exactly would it be a waste of his talents?
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
shorter career
possibility of concussions.
I just think we could have lesser cover skills guys
do the LB’ing from SS.
Would you think Kam Chancellor would make a great SS?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
6'3 and 230 with 4.64 speed
I thought he was rated lower than 3rd round though
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Kam definitely has impressive size and athleticism,
But I think scheme has an important part to play in it. We’re already running a 4 LB set. We already had a SS that wanted to play the run more than the pass, and he got cut.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Kam is a lot like a poor mans Mays in this draft. We got some younger guys that could go for that SS spot
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Not always
And Berry’s skills are awesome, but much more suited for either safety position than for corner, so saying it’s between having him as a shutdown corner or a safety is probably something of a false choice. It’s more like it’d be between having him as a terrific safety or an above-average cornerback.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just trying to see all the possibilities
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Always wise
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Berry and Page at Safety Make Brandon Carr a Good Corner
I’ll bet with Eric Berry and Jarrad Page at the safety positions instead of Mike Brown and Jon McGraw that everyone will suddenly like Brandon Carr at CB a lot more than they did last year!
I don't know that Micah Johnson would push Mays out at ILB.
We could still draft some solid safeties in the 4th and 5th maybe
Rolle, Skinner, or Robert Johnson
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My bad
so many acronyms or calling players by initials makes it very confusing :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind taking Micah in the 5th
good run stopper, good size for an ILB, decent speed/coverage.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Berry at Safety
keep Berry at safety, let washington grow and bloom at nickel.
Chiefs are going to surprise alot of people in 2010 !!!!
Just because many scouts say Berry can play CB
Doesn’t make him a CB. And you’re not drafting him at #5 to play a position he hasn’t played much.
So basically, my point is, this isn’t happening.
We take him #5, he’s our starting SS, and would probably be one of the better ones in the league right away.
it's not them just fabricating this
he actually played corner at Tennessee
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Eric Warfield was
Not sure about Carter.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Coming out of college
Dale Carter was a safety, earlier in the year scouts were comparing Berry to him.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 15, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not much at all
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He played some CB at Tennessee
He also lined up at LB some…doesn’t mean I want him playing LB.
And most of the CB he lined up at was actually the Nickle CB.
Terrence Cody lined up at FB at times in the national championship game
I similarly believe that it wouldn’t be wise to draft him to play FB.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 16, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Berry fits better at FS
where he can roam and use his ball skills better
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So who is the SS going to be?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
McGraw is serviceable there
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Mar 15, 2010 7:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We'll see...
Page is certainly a FS, and Berry actually has logged a lot of time at both Safety positions.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all to start him at SS, possibly moving to FS in the future.
I think your thinking SS
FS is generally limited to the deep half of the field where a SS can rush, play shallows, and play the deep half
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Berry at FS where he can keep the ball infront of him to make plays on it in the air
Page can play shallower, cover the TE, play against the run.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
A Question
Are the Chiefs going to continue to play Zone coverage?
With Berry and Flowers could we play a hybrid Man/Zone scheme
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Berry fits better in the zone
and asking Flowers to play man is like asking Waters to play RT.. Abused talent
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Indeed
Flowers can do decent at man with over the top help, but his size really limits what he can do
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Think about it....
As you all have heard, Brandon Flowers is training with Eric Berry. Why would a CB be training with a Safety? Flowers is obviously there to see if Berry has the skills to play cornerback. From what I have heard, Eric Berry has the skills to be a shutdown corner. What would you rather have based on last year. Carr was exposed way to many times and is better suited to be our nickel. While I do believe our safeties were a liability last year, I think it was Carr that was victimized the most.
by tmurawsk on Mar 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
good connection :) rec
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
"Why would a CB be training with a Safety?"
Because defensive backs train together all the time. A big difference between corners and safeties is that most safeties play their best ball when the ball is in front of them, so they don’t have to track the ball over their shoulders in man coverage and trail routes.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So Carr might be an ideal safety then?
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Mar 15, 2010 7:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So lets pick on the ILB spot
Williams and DJ play the same spot, so putting both in there together should not fly.
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Yeah...
I think we all have to get over DJ as a starter for our team. If he was every going to be the player we need him to be, he would have showed it by now. I think he is going to be traded.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 15, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still hoping for DJ
More than likely it’s just a waste, but with Crennel and some time in the 3-4 I’m hoping he can adjust. His speed/coverage skills could really help out our ILBs
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
besides you have the walking fat man at NT
we won’t draft him
"It doesn't matter what you do in Life only that you do it the best you can. "
Crennel Likes Troup I hear
He should be availabe with our 2b pick. I prefer Cam Thomas.
I think it’s going to go down like this: Pick 1) LT Russell Okung,,,,,, Pick 2a) ILB Brandon Spikes…….Pick 2b) NT Cam Thomas…….Pick #4 Third Round) WR Mardy Gilyard….after that, not sure who’ll be around of need. Of course Free Agency signings could change everything. It’s just too early to project, but I am anyway. Bored.
Stop, Boy! just STOP! ALL of ya's stop it, right now!
Berrylovers
Williamslovers
McClainlovers
Okunglovers
Gilyardlovers
Codylovers
just stop, ok? take a deep breath, relax, grab a cold one or two … and let’s, you know this is a RADICAL idea but you all know me pretty well by now, so yeah, this shouldn’t be TOO unexpected of an idea …
but please, can just, you know … WAIT for the actrual draft to HAPPEN first?
{{just an idea, ok?}}
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya either have a Dog or not
I am leaning toward the rottweiler right now.
Ferocious and looks very good in red
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it will be soooo funny when we don't draft berry
cause we wont then yall will be crying till you see he was a bust and we got a better safety then scott will be the man again. Its so crazy watch the roller coaster every year
I don't think anyone who takes the Chiefs seriously would cry on not getting Berry
because there are a lot of ways we could go with our first rounder. It’s really more of the bandwagon fans that cry ; )
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know and without the pick in my face I can't say what I would do
All of the Berry love is exceptable to me.
Same for McClain and everyone elses frontrunner.
We are AP and we are all friends here and I wish everybody could get what they wanted.
Yet I hope the Chiefs get what they need where they need to get it.
I think
AP Agrees on this
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 15, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not important that we all get the player we want
as long as the player we get helps the team become better and we start winning
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 15, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington?
are you for real?
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What are the chances
1 Eric Berry SS
2a Cam Thomas NT
2b Brandon Spikes ILB
3 Jordan Shipley WR/KR
4 Myron Rolle SS
5 Jason Fox OT
5 whoever else fits the bill…
Thomas Jones and the Lombardi, DO IT!
looks like a dream to me
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rec tmurawsk
was a very good talking point that could have had some more points raised imo
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berry is a safety
why would we put berry at CB and washington at S? washington isnt a better player than carr…. we want the best players on the field at all times and that includes carr. as for derrick johnson at ILB… thats fine. but demarrio williams and him play the same spot at the ILB they are both weak side ILB because they are faster and smaller it doesnt make sense for both of them to be on the field at the same time. anything can happen but the only true starters i see for now is … flowers, carr, dorsey, jackson, hali, and most likely vrabel and page.
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
yep
some holes in the D and the theory.
I see no ILB at all no NT and no SS.
Berry would fill the SS, though I don’t want him to play SS.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 16, 2010 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions
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