Browns Trade Brady Quinn To The Broncos
by Joel Thorman on Mar 14, 2010 4:19 PM CDT
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PrintThe speculation this week (mainly from ESPN) has been that Kansas City makes the most sense for Brady Quinn, who surely wasn't in the Browns plans after they paid Jake Delhomme $7 million in 2010.
As it turns out, Quinn will be coming to the AFC West.
As a Bronco.
Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com is reporting that the Broncos gave up RB Peyton Hillis and two conditional draft picks for Brady Quinn.
With Kyle Orton currently occupying the top spot, it's safe to say it'll be another interesting offseason in Denver.
Charlie Weis coached Quinn during some impressive years at Notre Dame so I imagine he knows more about him than just about any other coach in the NFL.
(H/T nycchief and golfbard)
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I'm not all that worried
Weis knows Quinn pretty well, to say the least.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Works For Me
Now we get to watch Brady Quinn consistently miss throws more than 10 yards downfield twice a year rather than whenever we happen to get scheduled against the Browns. The guy sucks.
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And They Dumped Peyton Hillis
Subtraction by subtraction in that case…Hillis is a good player. He’ll fit in well in Cleveland as a FB/HB platoon.
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yeah, I like hillis
seems like a good guy. I would much rather see quinn than hillis in denver
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 14, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And It's A Good Pickup For Cleveland
Since they no longer have Jamal Lewis. They’ll run a Jerome Harrison/Hillis platoon whenever they don’t have them on the field at the same time. I think Hillis could have a really good year in a Mike Alstott sort of way.
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thats who i though of seeing him last year
bigger kid, a tough runner. he seems like a all around baller, just does what he needs to do. i agree, good pick up for CLE, and I am not worried too worried about Quinn in Donkland. The circus that goes on there will keep him sufficiently shaken up as he has been since entering the league.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 14, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Vickers Will Probably Stay As A Fullback
But Hillis will probably be out there when they want a more explosive option than Vickers out of the backfield. He’ll give them some added versatility.
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The should have traded Quinn to Abercrombie and Fitch.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
not sure how I feel about this...
He sucked in CLE, but DEN definitely has better players. Certainly having his old QB coach will be an advantage, but he could grow into something scary if he still has any confidence left.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
I agree
Mixed feelings. By a lot of accounts, Quinn should’ve been a great pro. He’s only had like a dozen starts so I’m not one of the people who think he has no future.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said
I feel sorry for Hillis, he’s such an underused, underrated back. He shredded when they finally let him start when Henry got suspended and every other of their backs got hurt
By All Accounts
Tony Mandarich should have been a great pro, but he was only mediocre. Same with a lot of guys who got drafted in the first round of NFL drafts. Don’t know if you saw Quinn play this year, but his is one of the ugliest deep balls I’ve ever seen. Just really inaccurate. I don’t think that’s something that can be fixed.
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lets hope not
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
I think brandon marshall
can do a lot to fix some ugly deep balls. I really have no idea how quinn’s skill set would will translate into the offense they are wanting to run in denver. But I’m a guy that thinks he has something left in the tank… assuming his confidence isn’t shot.
Except
That the Broncos are looking to trade Marshall this offseason. Jets being the most recent rumored destination.
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I know the rumors are out there...
but he’s a guy you’re not going to get equal compensation for… it doesn’t make sense to trade him…. then again… I’m not in the front office and don’t know how worried they really are about all the off field stuff.
I Think Someone Will Pony Up A First Rounder
And that the Broncos will take it without additional picks.
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Maybe I'm just
under the impression that marshall is better than he really is becuase I see him torch the chiefs twice a year, but i don’t know that a first rounder from a team like the jets is worth it.
It Is If The Player/Coach Relationship Is Toxic
Which it apparently is. Plus, Marshall’s never more than a bad night away from a suspension for off-field crap. He’s a head case and a liability. There’s a reason his nickname is “Baby T.O.”
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Let the games in Denver begin.
"Without me, it's just aweso".- a possible comment made by Jamaal Charles and/or Eric Berry.
This could be good news for the Chiefs
The Browns have Wallace and Delhomme, but no longer have a future Franchise QB. Is it possible they would be interested in trading with the CHiefs to take one of the QBs at number 5 before Seattle picks?
I think they're out of the QB game for at least a year
Just my opinion.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I would personally rather have Claussen this year
Than Locker next year. Especially knowing that I dont have to give too much up this year to move up a few spots. Who knows what I would have to give up next year to be in a position to get Locker?
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like either one of them. It's looking like another long year in Cleveland.
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I dont know.
It may not be as bad as we think. Holmgren knows a thing or to about building a football team. He has already cleaned out the QB situation which IMO was Cleveland’s biggest problem last year. Not there only problem by any means, but I think there biggest problem. As that dude on walterfootball.com (take that for what its worth) is always saying “new regimes mean new QBs”.
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
QB situation is by no means solved. Jake Delhomme is close to done.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Seneca Wallace Will Take That Job, I Think
Delhomme isn’t just close to done…he’s done. The guy was terrible last year.
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Locker's future is brighter, IMO
It’s not that he’s a perfect prospect or anything, but Clausen’s mental game is pretty weak.
Honestly, I’d rather have neither, and have Cassel just develop in the role. It takes a little time sometimes, contrary to what some impatient fans would have us believe. It took time with Grbac and Green, for example, but the results were pretty good. So while I’m not a huge fan of Cassel, I’m more in favor of getting a better look at what he could do.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 14, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I too would rather have Cassel
But if I’m Cleveland, I pull the trigger now on Claussen. With all those extra mid round picks they possess, it would be no problem to move up into KC’s spot
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they intend Delhomme as a stopgap
And to ride him for maybe two years. I can’t say I’m convinced they shouldn’t take a QB this year, but I do think they have the option of waiting a year or two if they want.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 14, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they have the option too wait. Although
I see Seneca Wallace being the stopgap and Delhomme being the back up. Jake has looked pretty miserable since that playoff game 2 years ago against the Cards. I don’t know if he has 2 more years left in this league
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
They wouldnt pay
him 7 million for this year and 12 million for next year to be a backup.
They wouldn't pay him that much money and INTEND for him to be a backup
but stranger things have happened. He’s 37 and definetly on the decline. I would think that Holmgren would put the best player on the field, regardless of how much they are being payed. Especially since he is so familiar with Wallace
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Draft Claussen Now
And let him sit on the bench for at least half the season behind Delhomme. No way Delhomme gets the 12Mil for the second year of his contract.
That trade with the Chiefs might already be set if the QB is there at #5. A couple of spots down and another 3rd rounder would be great for the Chiefs!
Mentally weak?
The kid has been in one the bigger college football pressure cookers for three years, put up some pretty fine stats with our OC and you say he’s mental game is weak?
The boy made it in to Notre Dame (angels humming) the last time I checked they don’t really deal well with mentally weak students. It may be a prerequisite to getting a job there but the students are usually top tier in academics dude.
The name Snoop Minnes ring any bells? I watched an ESPN of that guy when he couldn’t play for FSU in a bowl game. Now that was mentally weak, worst part was a couple months later the Chiefs drafted him.
I wonder which Bog Boy he busses tables at nowadays……………..
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
I Have No Idea If He's Mentally Weak
But the guy is a terrible pro QB. He can’t hit anything more than about 10 yards downfield with any degree of consistency. Heck in one game I saw where he tried to bomb it he had trouble keeping the throws on the field of play, much less putting it in a receiver’s hands.
I predict that Orton stays the Broncos QB next season.
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by UCrawford on Mar 14, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Wait, You Were Talking About Clausen
My bad…thought you were referring to Quinn.
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I haven't followed
Quinn that much (watched games) since his ND days but I saw him A LOT at ND and the kid had the basic foundation of a pretty good QB when he left Charlies wing.
What he has dealt with or whom he played with I haven’t followed all that close. I just know he had enough “moments of grandeur” at ND it surprized me he didn’t perform better in the NFL. I guess we still are all victims of our environments though eh?
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
He Can't Throw Downfield
I mean not at all…his accuracy past ten yards is absolutely horrible. There were question marks about that when he got drafted, but they got lost in all the hype about the kid. But really he’s a terrible pro QB who’s given nobody any reason to believe he’s better than what we’ve seen. I think he’s going to be the Broncos’ 3rd stringer next year behind Simms. He’s got a contract that pays him little unless he plays.
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nah he'll be 2
they’ll cut simms before brandstater who they drafted. Simms and Quinn did look about equally bad last year IMO
i thought u were referring to cassel
my bad…
but seriously, accuracy wise, i don’t see a whole lot of difference in cassel and brady. receivers can’t be used as an excuse because CLE didn’t exactly have stellar receivers. i just hope cassel improves this year with more familiarity with the offense.
by MountainManMike on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
ONe of the bigger college football pressure cookers?
Not even close. The expectations for Notre Dame weren’t high at all, unless one asked Lou Holtz. But let’s say that he was in a high-pressure situation, relative to the average FBS quarterback. There were still guys like Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, and numerous others who didn’t fold like a house of cards when under much, much more significant pressure than Clausen ever faced. Clausen doesn’t have the composure to succeed under pressure.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 14, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I Would Disagree On Clausen
The biggest problem with Notre Dame was Weis’ inability to manage a game or to build a defense. Clausen wasn’t a better QB than Bradford, but he’s not exactly chopped liver. He showed consistent improvement every year he was in school and I think he’s a solid pro QB prospect…as solid as anyone considering Bradford’s health problems last year.
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I'd take clausen
over bradford. maybe he doesn’t have AS MUCH potential as Bradford but i’d feel much better with clausen starting as a rookie over bradford who is more of project. Remember neither Sanchez or Stafford played in a spread system in college which is why they were successful as rookies. Bradford I think is just getting a lot more homerism because of OU’s larger fanbase in this area than ND’s
I Don't Think Bradford Is Getting That Much Homerism
He’s been picked apart quite frequently for the spread offense knock, but the fact remains that he’s been a very effective QB through his career. The biggest reason I’d consider Clausen over Bradford is probably health and arm strength…which I can’t imagine has gotten better for Bradford since shoulder surgery. If I had to pick between the two, I’d probably go with Clausen, simply for those two reasons. But I don’t really think there’s much difference between them.
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That
and the pro style system. I’m just saying if i had to pick one of them to start right off the bat, i’m pickin clausen
Yeah
Probably so. I think Clausen could be a fine pro and so could Bradford, but to be honest I’d have serious reservations about picking either of them with a top five pick. Clausen to me would have the fewer question marks, just because of Bradford’s durability issues.
Funny how a year changes so much. If Bradford had come out last year I’d say the Lions should grab him immediately. A year later he’s just a guy with a potentially bad wing coming off a lost year. Bradford did himself no favors going back to school.
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I don't think it's a durability issue...
…because he hasn’t been injured all that often. I think it’s more a matter of whether he actually does end up fully recovering from the one major injury he has had. I already thought of him as an overhyped checkdown charlie, the injury drops him out of the first in my book, although I’m sure he’ll still go in the first.
I think Bradford is a great kid, but seriously, why is he rated so much more highly than Jason White or Josh Heupel? He does have more talent, sure, but not that much. A lot of his success has been the system, which is a great one for OU.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Solid, sure
But top-five caliber? I would definitely avoid him there. At that point, I would want a guy with all the tools and the head to match.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
And I'm not sure why you're bringing academics into this
I thought it was pretty obvious that I was talking about Clausen’s quarterbacking skills, not his classroom aptitude. Those are two very different things.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 14, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a little clarification is in order
The statement I was referencing was his “mental game was weak” maybe I misread it but it sounded to me like you meant he should ride the short bus,that was why I brought up academics.
What do you mean? The guy had 28 tds and like 4 int. last year. Numbers like that don’t generally bring a deer in headlights to mind, if your saying poor onfield decisions are the problem.
I guess you being where you are and me being where I am may have some impact on our opinions. If playing at one of the most successful college programs on record, trying to follow in the steps of guys like Montana, Theisman, and a few other assorted bums earning Heisman trophies and or Superbowls isn’t a pressure cooker you is one bad hombre!
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Meh
Notre Dame’s had good QBs and bad QBs. I don’t think that Montana and Theisman going to the same school decades ago has much relevance to Jimmy Clausen.
Although if he wants to succeed I think he should change his name to Jim.
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After All
Being highly touted in a “pressure cooker” school didn’t make Brady Quinn a good pro QB. Or Ron Powlus. Or Tony Rice. Or Rick Meier.
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None of the above
Were recruited by Weis or the highest rated HS QB out of the great state of California either.
You would have to agree that “Jim” had just a wee bit more media hype on him before his feet ever touched the turf at ND eh?
There was another Cali. HS QB that went to another Univ. close to me that would have to be a “pressure cooker” too. (Not mentioning latest headlines about their HC) This kid was Tom Brady at U of M.
I am not saying that is all it takes to be an NFL QB, just it may help a little in the pro setting.
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
Now I may be tainted
And just SLIGHTLY biased about ND but the fans of ND are some pretty dedicated folks and have some really high expectations on all fronts. A pretty serious national media following as well does put a wee bit of pressure on the starting QB. Not to mention that with an
" NFL offensive guru" as head coach the lights weren’t shining a little bright in “Jim’s” eyes.
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
That's more in line with what I'm saying
I mean, following Montana and Theisman isn’t any more difficult than following Shuler, Manning, etc. at Tennessee, and yet no one says Crompton was in one of the highest-pressure situations.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions
ND
has a channel dedicated to them every Saturday they play. I’d say it pretty high pressure up there, with a lot of high expecatations and national media scrutiny.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Not compared to programs that are relevant today, though
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Two words
Rick Meier.
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by royaldaddy on Mar 14, 2010 10:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mike Lombardi disagrees. He thinks they need to go early for one
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Mar 14, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
go early for a QB?
It makes sense too me. Got a link for that Oldchiefsfan?
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Mar 14, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
What about a QB for the future in the 2nd round?
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by aPacificChief on Mar 14, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they will try to get either Bradford or Clausen and it sets up well for us.
If the Rams take a QB then I can see Clv trading up with Tampa to beat Washington to the other QB on the board. This would mean two QBs go before us causing more top talent to fall to us.
Or the Rams don’t take a QB, then one would be on the board and the Browns might want to trade up with us to make sure Seattle doesn’t take the QB.
Either way, we win.
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Yep,
But I see the Rams taking Bradford, but the Redskins passing on Claussen. This would allow Claussen to fall to the Chiefs where there might be multiple teams (Seahawks, Browns, Bills) willing to try to snag him before the others do. And we know Pioli will trade out of that spot for a reasonable offer. I can see either the Browns or the Seahawks offering to swap firsts and giving a 3rd to move up. PIoli’s dream come true.
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
about wash taking a qb because so far it seems like Shanny wants to see what he has in campbell and brennan this next year since we haven’t heard ANYTHING about campbell being shopped by them and he was tendered
Classic Shannahan.
Put an emphasis on the O-line first. As much as I hate the man, I agree with his methods
by Fourstrike89 on Mar 14, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t see the Seahawks trading one spot up to us when they know we aren’t taking a QB. Seems like a waste to me.
but based on the fear that we will trade with cleveland they might
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 14, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
A little bit of fear here too though
because if Berry is there at 5, I want us to get him. If cleveland or Seattle moves up to 5 with us, there is a chance they could take him too. I just leave it in the hands of the don, he will get our man, and will find the best way to do it.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 14, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're onto something here....
I think the more people we have in the QB game the better. Wallace has never proven to be anything more than a backup and delhomme is done. They may have brought him on board to be mentor but I can’t see that guy playing competitive football next year.
Can we re-caption the Shaun Smith and Romeo Crennel picture?
It’s like they were waiting to hear this…lol
Maybe McDaniels would trade Quinn to us for Cassel.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
That would piss off Cutler again, and he'd ask to be traded :)
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by aPacificChief on Mar 14, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
So Quinn would be the Closer?
Maybe in McDaniels coffin as head coach of the Donks!
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by aPacificChief on Mar 14, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he might be
Orton is a RFA with a first round tender so they’re not committed to him.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey maybe all the staph infections affected his ability to throw acurately?
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by aPacificChief on Mar 14, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not worried
Quinn doesn’t scare me at all.
Everyone who thinks Quinn sucks had better look at what McD was able to do with our starting QB.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Good point
And Quinn started a ton of games in college and had some good numbers.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 14, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing
That we have Charlie Weis on our side, he knows Quinn’s weakness…What he is capable of doing…
by Arrowhead816 on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
To piggy back on bigredchief
Quinn has a ton of potential. If you don’t believe me, check his stats against the Chargers and Lions in 09’. If you place him in a good situation he can succeed. I’m also not down on Quinn.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 14, 2010 4:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Look guys, coaching a guy does not mean he is fully responsible for the sucess Cassel had.
I tend to think that what Parcells and Belechiek were able to do is put players in a position to win. Sometimes players are just better and better in the system. at the end of the day Mcdaniels took over calling plays on a team that was already good, how do we really know how much coaching up he really did with Cassel. If he takes Quinn and does something with him then we know he is QB coach until then he is suspect judging from last season
Well S.Smith might get another shot to hit em in the mouth
I cant wait to see the NEW ARROWHEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chiefs will be competing for a division title in 2010
Is that an illegal hands to the face?
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by aPacificChief on Mar 14, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
when he's surrounded by a crappy team...just as most any QB would be.
He’s not Tom Brady, but I don’t think he’s Ryan Leaf either. I fail to see how Denver adding additional depth with a first round drafted QB is good news for the Chiefs.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
I don't feel
it’s GOOD news, but no one is going to be able to convince me to be concerned.
by KCMizzou on Mar 14, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really, really like Quinn
I liked him in college, and when he was available to the Cowboys, sitting right before us, I thought for sure we were going to take him. Then the stupid Browns hopped up right in front of us.
He hasn’t been given a fair chance in Cleveland, I mean the support system there really, really sucks. Terrible coaching, terrible team mates, just a terrible situation for him.
I’m pretty nervous about how this trade ends up. I’m happy we don’t have to deal with Hillis, and I really, really hope that those conditional draft picks turn out to be pretty high numbers.
Trade value
I remember a few weeks backs were John Yoon had a post about drafting Jimmy Claussen a few weeks back. One of his reasons to draft Jimmy would be if cassel work we could trade Jimmy for a good value.. And he used Quinn has a reference.. Not that P Hillis isn’t desent but the browns really lost value here.
8-8 is possible in 2010 and it wont take breaking the bank on 2nd tear free agents getting lucrative contracts because the free agent pool is so weak this year!
by Chieffan_Toby on Mar 14, 2010 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn mobile
That first part sounded dumb :)
8-8 is possible in 2010 and it wont take breaking the bank on 2nd tear free agents getting lucrative contracts because the free agent pool is so weak this year!
by Chieffan_Toby on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS: Browns deal Kameron Wimbley to Oakland for an undisclosed pick
per Adam Caplan.
Maybe Mangini is trying to stick to Pioli…
Fanshot, pls...
let’s not keep going OT here, just to be “first”. ;)
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
by jbj8609 on Mar 14, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure seems like it
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Mar 14, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like Oakland gave up a 3rd for him
would you think it’s worth it?
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
ah hell no
wow Cleveland now has three thirds four fifths and two sixths
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maybe they will give us a 3 and a 4 for DJ :)
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Looks like a lot of ammo for the draft, maybe a move up for a QB?
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by aPacificChief on Mar 14, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
wow a third? holy! wow! no way would I give that up for wimbley
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
hmmm..thanks for posting it I appreciate it personally....as for wimbley...interesting...very interesting...
oakland probably cuts him after a season lol
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
oh right, then he goes elsewhere and makes a bunch of pro bowls
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
from twitter
michaelombardi If I am a Denver fan I believe McDaniels can do with Quinn what he did with Cassell and if I am a Brown fan I look draft a QB—-early
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* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
good, let them go QB
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
cassel development wasnt all mcdaniels
it had a lot to do with being behind brady … good receivers, and belicheck
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
I'm a bit concerned
I’ve always believed that with proper tools Quinn could be a rockstar in this league, Royal, Marshall, Moreno.. Weapons.
Still I hold to the fact that Weis and Crennel know the ins and outs on Quinn so he’ll have two tough games a year
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that would be shocking to see 3 trades of big name players from the same team, same day
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
yep, and I saw a kid that has trouble reading a defense...
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Did you ever think...
that the QB position is what has held the Browns back offensively? Quinn doesn’t have what it takes to be a good QB between the ears. His accuracy is limited to 10 yards down the field. Thats why he dropped on draft day. His YPC is horrible. Thank god the Browns traded up to get him before Peterson could take him over D Bowe.
I am soooo scared!
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
I hope in CLE
they lit hillis at least be the number 2 guy to harrison, he’s a really underrated back. I still can’t figure out why McD hated him, he was great in 08 and shredded us before he got hurt
yeah I remember when he took over at starting RB
and they showed his family watching him, they had come out for the game, then he got hurt….that was sad
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I Don't Think McDaniels Hated Him
I just think that he wasn’t a fit for what McDaniels wanted to do.
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QB controversary brewing in Denver
Can’t wait.
Wierd move for Cleveland
They are stacked at RB with Harrison and Jennings plus Cribbs needs his touches.
I understand they were looking to move him, but I thought they could get more.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions
hillis was at FB, so maybe they want him in sort of a fullback hback role
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Oh
Isn’t he that white kid from Arkansas or am I thinking of someone else, cuz I’m sure he was a tailback
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by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
yes but they moved him to fullback
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I know, I previously spoke of how sad it was when he got hurt...I am just stating a fact that he was at FB on the depth chart
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
yeah, he's always been a FB
I think he’s like 250
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
He has not "always been a FB"
He was a versitile football player who played all over the field in Arkansas. In the NFL he played quite a bit at half back.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
He's Like Mike Alstott
Not really good enough to be a primary HB, but better than your average FB at running the ball. Some durability issues as well…he got hurt his rookie year a few times.
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I agree that he's versatile...
but, he’s a FB that can also run the ball when given the chance, and he’s a great receiver
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
He's an H-back
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 14, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think he’ll give Cleveland a lot of different looks. I think the Browns absolutely ripped off the Broncos on that deal. They got a talented running back, plus draft picks for a bust of a QB who can’t hit anything downfield.
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I take it you believe Cleveland got the better end of the stick here
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Yes, Odd As That Sounds
The Browns made a smart move. :)
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by UCrawford on Mar 14, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you don't get me wrong
But there’s still a small part of me that is afraid McDaniels is as good a QB guru as he’s touted to be..
But I guess you have to also consider, if Weis (who elevated Quinn to first round status) knew Quinn would be a solid pickup we would have made a better deal
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I Suspect
That Brady Quinn will be out of the league shortly after his rookie contract expires. I think that if he could actually play at this level we would have seen a lot more out of him before now. Keep in mind, he sat on the bench behind a guy who completed 48% of his passes the last two years. You have to be pretty bad to sit behind a guy who sucks that much.
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Yea he's the guy that owned Pollard.
He was playing RB for awhile b/c of the number of injury problems Denver was having w/ their RBs.
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by chiefs_fan05 on Mar 14, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Weird move? They got rid of a shitty player for a good player and got two draft picks. I don’t care if they are 6th and 7th round picks. Amazing trade for the Browns.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Mar 14, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah I agree...I like Hillis...kind of glad I can now root for the guy on occasion
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Hmmm...
This is a 50/50 deal. It could suck really bad or it could turn out to be a great thing for us Chiefs fans.
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To me there is more chance of a bad thing
He had very little opportunity in Cleveland, was highly touted in ND. I remember when he was almost on the board when we grabbed Bowe, I was screaming when cleveland traded back into the 1st to get him. He reas REALLY close to being a Chief
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by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I remember that. I was hoping we’d grab him too. I always did like him and I don’t think he ever got a fair shot in Cleveland. It’s going to be interesting to see how badly the executive and coaching decisions of the Broncos affects team chemistry this year. It’s already looking like McD’s typical zoo. For Quinn, I think that may be the bigger factor in his success.
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Personally,
I don’t think he’s any better than Orton, except he’ll attract more high school girls to games
I'll put it like this
I think he CAN be much better than Orton but at this point, he’s guilty until proven innocent. Ya know?!
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Quinn
Watched him at ND religiously (excuse the pun) and that boy has what it takes to “matriculate it down the field” especially if he has a half ass group on the field with him.
It could be good that Charlie knows him well, that could very easily be just the required edge we need at some point in the future. He still is rather an unknown quantity in the NFL and just may surprize a few folks. (hopefully not us)
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
I just hope weis can pull a gruden on gannon and own quinn
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I get excited about trades no matter what team
The chiefs need to get the ball rolling i dont want us to do anything stupid of course I would just like for them to mix it up alittle
don't worry
our draft whatever it is will be Phenomenal! we will get the players we want under threat of mafia hits from the Don
Shaun Smith is chomping at the bit.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
hahaha! good! now shaun smith can punch him in the mouth as a sack celebration.
Tough times never last, but tough people do.
Who is Cleveland's QB going to be ?
If Rams take Bradford and Washington Clausen…and if Clausen is there at 5 KC will trade the pick…
so whats the deal on orton?
and who is going to be the starter? yeah quinn sucks.. but i had kick ass seats at the browns game and i watched him beat us
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
Hopefully this will light a fire under Shaun Smith
Shaun Smith should play like a man on a mission…..at least when we play against the Donkeys!
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good point
i didnt even think of that
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
I say we draft a receiver for Quinn
Eric Berry
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by MasterBlaster7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
Of course all the Quinn haters would say he can’t throw the ball far enough for Berry to catch it.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Lol
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Mar 14, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't sleep on Brady Quinn.
If he managed to squeak out a win with a dysfunctional Browns team, what makes anyone think he wouldn’t be a worthy advesary with the kinda weapons that Denver is packing?
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
true true... thats what i thought
but…
weis = knows quinn from college
crennel = knows quinn from the browns
shaun smith= wants to punch quinn in the face
and plus theres no more marshall in the mix… at least he wont be
You're a goddamn quarterback! You know what that means? It's the top spot, kid. It's the guy who takes the fall. It's the guy everybody's looking at first - the leader of a team - who will support you when they understand you. Who will break their ribs and their noses and their necks for you, because they believe. 'Cause you make them believe. That's a quarterback.
--- Any given sunday
Cassel can lead us.
by BEEf_CHIEF on Mar 14, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know, I think Quinn is a pretty good locker room guy.....
…(minus Shaun Smiff) and he and BMarsh might just hit it off.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
plus could allow us to pick up extra picks...
if we trade back.
by MountainManMike on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
i like the deal
he fits denver dink and dunk off and denver give up nothing for him
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
It Only Looks Good Until Quinn Has To Throw Downfield
Orton’s no great shakes, but he’s a better downfield passer than Quinn. I don’t agree that Hillis was “nothing” but I do agree that he’s not necessarily a big loss for Denver because I don’t think he fit what they wanted to do anyway.
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orton's
can not throw deep ethter 1 cool thing about it will be laura quinn in a broncos jeresy hillis was not nothing but in real life u have to give up someting of value to other teams if u want to try to improme
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
j-man, will you miss hillis? I thought he was an ascending talent
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
yeah
i will miss hillis but was never going to be used in den system i am convided and most of mhr is too that if we have a back-up last year we wouild have best wash and for all of u that say denver is bad this coming year denver will win at least 6-8 games because 1 soft sech 2 more time in system 3 better – d-line u can call me nuts but den can win 10 games if the london trip does not kill us
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
Mcd was prob sayin "im not gonna lose two QBs to KC!!!"
I dont blame him if they stayed with Orton then they would see three better Qbs on our sideline….I think Brodie> Orton. I do hope our staff and players can gameplan against this guy…but its good to see him get a new job…Denver may have gotten lucky…
let the fun begin
Now Shaun Smith can clobber the f**k out of Quinn and not get in any trouble!!!
are we
sure mcdaniels isnt helping pioli, by ruining the broncos lmao i smell interceptions go chiefs.
by cainsbigonchiefs on Mar 14, 2010 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
I like how all our rivals are getting worse in the offseason...
Wow. Go Donkeys. Stupidest trade I’ve heard of in a long long time. I’m calling it now, Chiefs are AFC West Champs. The Whale’s Vagina is going down the drain. There’s no way the Donkey’s are going to have another good start. And the Raiders…they might take third.
Quinn will never be more than a backup. He should probably just give up now and get on the juice so he can become a professional body builder.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Mar 14, 2010 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldn’t have traded Hillis for Quinn straight up. Hillis for Quinn and a fourth and then you’re talking.
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Mar 14, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
At first when I saw this I thought they said that the Broncos got Quinn and a draft pick for Hillis, and I thought “Not a bad trade”. Once I saw that it was Hillis and draft picks for Quinn, I thought “The Broncos are screwed”.
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Considering what the 49ers got for Hill the value of this trade for the Browns is great.
After I saw Hill go for a 7th rounder I couldnt imagine Quinn going for much more then that. Way to go Donkeys and your poor negotiating “skills”.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Like the trade
as long as Quinn keeps up that 2 yard passing attack. If he gets his confidence back, paired with Royal and Bryant…I dunno. Not sold on him being a lost cause yet.
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Something to think about
McD coached under Weis at NE. So first, I’m betting McD called Weis to ask him about Quinn. I’m guessing that since they went out and got him that Weis gave him his endorsement. Second, since McD’s developed his offensive system under Weis there should by enough similarities for Quinn to be comfortable. I’m not saying I think he will be a pro bowler, but I’m not sure we should right him off as a bust yet.
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Good Point
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
I wonder how that dynamic works...
McD did work under Weis and all the connections work, but what does weis do? How much is he going to help the HC of a division rival? I could see it being a very personal issue, because I imagine it depends quite a bit on the rapport that McD had with Weis and maintained after his departure to ND.
Or Weis knows he is a headcase and not for this level of the game, and told McD to go ahead and get him.
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 15, 2010 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions
So, might Kyle Orton be available?
He would be a terrific #2 here. Just my opinion.
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by royaldaddy on Mar 14, 2010 10:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It doesn't matter what scheme the Bronco's are running
…if Quinn can’t make the deep passes, everything else is irrelevant.
He’s going to have to do a lot of work in the off-season and since this isn’t his first year I think the problem is deeper (if not physical, then mental).
The fact remains that the Bronco’s IMHO are reaching for a John Elway type of QB and Quinn hasn’t proven he can be that at least up until this point.
This MIGHT be one of the worst franchise trades in Bronco’s history. Not as bad as the Herschel Walker trade that set Minn. back for 20 years, but I think the Chiefs just got better in the AFC West in regards to standings in head to head games.
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I don’t think he’s even a Kyle Orton. Or a Rex Grossman, for that matter.
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he is a sage rosenfels on the texans vs the colts
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I think this is great news for the Chiefs.
1. Denver is out of the QB Hunt for now.
2. Brady Quinn is not going to be good.
3. Denver trading away talent and draft picks.
4. McDaniels extending his stay by creating QB Controversies.
5. QB Controversy in Denver by Week 6 next season.
6. KC gets to play Denver TWICE A YEAR.
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