If Salary Cap Were In Place, Chiefs Would Still Be At The Bottom
by Joel Thorman on Mar 14, 2010 1:24 PM CDT
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PrintThere was an ESPN.com report a few weeks ago that the Chiefs had the least amount of money committed to 2010. As of March 5th, we're now in an uncapped year so there are no salary cap implications.
Hypothetically speaking, if there were a salary cap, the Chiefs would still be at the bottom, according to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk.
Based on the numbers, the following franchises are, to date, taking full advantage of the lack of a salary floor: the Chiefs ($79 million), the Buccaneers ($79 million), the Jaguars ($81 million), the Bengals ($85 million), the Cardinals ($91 million), the Rams ($92 million), the Bills ($98 million).
I believe the salary cap minimum last year was around $109 million or so. There were reports that the Chiefs were one of the last teams to cross that threshold.
A total of 12 teams are currently under last year's minimum if a salary cap were still in place.
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Thing Is
There’s really nothing to spend money on this year. I was livid about the Jason Brown non-signing last season, but this year there wasn’t a single free agent outside of (maybe…and that’s a big maybe) Julius Peppers who was worth going after for big bucks. Most of the talent are restricted free agents and they got locked up by their teams. The UFA talent is all either broken, old or not that talented. Free agency is a dry hole this offseason.
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Yeah
With no cap, teams have no reason not to resign key players.
So it all equals to decent players getting way over paid.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 14, 2010 2:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I Don't Know That They're Overpaid
During the pre-salary cap era in the early ‘90s you’d generally see journeyman players getting those salaries. The cap just destroyed the middle class of the NFL…guys who don’t merit a star player salary but have better skills than a minimum salary player.
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They aren't overpaid
For Example:
Karlos Dansby got signed to a 5 year $43M with $22 guarantted
Karlos is proven and a good combination of young and experience.
Aaron Curry before even taking a snap got 6 year $60M with $34M guaranteed
It’s just that salaries took off so much in the last decade that the "market " for these players have became rediculous.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes overpaid
They are all overpaid!
That’s why there is no love for the game anymore. Everyones attitude is “I’m gonna get mine, me me me”
Start paying them per win and see how these guys start acting.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 14, 2010 3:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about paying them per win but I have always thought...
…that all players contracts should be incentive based. Rookies especially. Veterans can negotiate a signing bonus (capped by the CBA) and what those incentives are. The rookie pay scale is the start to some regulation, imo.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Jason Brown? Can't say I've heard of him.
And I follow football fairly close. I can’t imagine getting livid over a little known player…
Center For The Ravens In 2008
25 year old coming off a stellar year and he was an unrestricted free agent last offseason. Chiefs made no apparent attempt to sign him despite having the cap space and he ended up having a good season for the Rams.
I’m not a fan of paying big bucks to old players, but when you have a young very good player just entering his prime at a position of need for your team and you have the money to sign him, then you pull out the stops. You don’t lose him to a crappy team just down I-70.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
I agree that it would have been nice to get him
although I don’t know how much he got paid. I agree that it was a bit weird last year that Pioli didn’t seem to make a big effort on improving the OL and was frustrating to me. But, UC it seems like this particular non-signing by Pioli has overly clouded your opinion of him. I remain a supporter of Pioli and figure that he knows more than I do so I give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I am curious what he needs to do in order for you to forgive him this “transgression”. Will you ever be positive about him? I think he is building a winner here – sooner than you think.
You sometimes learn something everyday.
This is why you lift all them weights. Parcells
He didn't even make it to KC, IIRC
He would’ve been an awfully nice lineman to have. I too was hoping quite strongly that KC would land him, but no dice.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 14, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
What else do the Chiefs, Bucs, Jags, Bengals, Cards, Rams and Bills have in common?
None of them will be playoff teams this year.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
I think we have just as good of a chance in the AFC West as anyone.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
I can't stand them
But it’s still the Chargers division. That’s why the Chiefs need to draft/find/build/discover a dominant pass rush this offseason because the only wait to beat them is put Philip on his ass
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that the Chargers are the gold standard right now but...
…the lost LT, which I think will be huge in the regular season, and their NT. Weren’t they LUCKY to get in at 8-8 two years ago? Anything can happen and the Chargers have shown to suck it up before.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
When you spend money just for the sake of spending it
you become the Redskins.
I don't disagree with you
All I’m saying is you do need to have a more substantial payroll to become a legitamate SB contender. The only team on that list that has a hope in hell of making the playoffs is the Bengals
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by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd Argue That If You Aren't Willing To Spend Money
Then you need to draft a hell of a lot better than Pioli’s drafted for the last four years. You can get by with being cheap. You can’t get by with being cheap and doing a mediocre to terrible job of evaluating college talent.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Agreed
I am still confident in Pioli’s drafting, even if the last couple years haven’t been his best.
Well his last few years in NE...
they drafted according to need and not BPA… oh shit… Thats what he did last year too.
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
by averagegatsby on Mar 14, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Someone should do a fanshot about Pioli’s drafting history with NE.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
that would be interesting...oh you found one
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
I was actually thinking of that post when I made that comment...
Forgot that you wrote it found it probably stole it from someone else
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
by averagegatsby on Mar 14, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you to a point
We spent a couple of seasons whining about the being hamstrung by that bad contract to LJ. Imagine the chaos here if they had to get from under three or four of those. Drafting well and developing talent reduces the need to have to overspend when the one or two big names come out for free agency and artificially inflating the payroll.
it frustrates me that everytime fans say to loosen up the pocket books a little...
…people bring up the redskins or haynesworth. We’re not saying we need to be near the top – just not scraping the bottom would be nice . Heck, I’d be happy with 33rd percentile. Bad record + cheap perception make it even more difficult to get even the mid level prospects. To be fair, I bet our OC/DC will make more than average for their post, so this should be taken into account.
yeah I don't know
with this coaching staff…a few breaks….and this team makes the playoffs in a weak division….
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
a few breaks….and this team makes the playoffs in a weak division
Yuck, that sounds an awful lot like 2006
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with SD to a point but I will wait until after the draft to make my playoff prediction.
And I won’t add luck into it either.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
If we can hang with SD in the standings
until the 2nd half of the season, we may be improved enough to overtake them. They are doing their best to meet us halfway.
yes but this is a different team, and a FAR better staff/front office...its a night and day difference....
we also destroyed denver’s playoff hopes…
charles is a beast…
I really have a feeling that this staff is thinking wild card this year, division next year
this year our schedule is a lot better than 2-3 years ago
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
but..the draft is of course the big deal
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
right - those owners are in it for profit, not to win
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Question:
If a team (Cowboys) decides to go all Yankees on the salary cap this year what happens when the new CBA is signed and we once again have a salary cap?
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
They will have to have more cuts than Heidi Montag's body
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by craig in calgary on Mar 14, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
before, they were hated, but I respected the way they made loads of money off of it
but now…they are wasting all their money, and she is going to be….I don’t know, I think she may set records at some point.
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Honestly, I think the salary cap is dead
by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 14, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t think the NFLPA will ever agree to another collective bargaining agreement where a salary cap is included.
I’m actually skeptical that there will be a lockout after this season. I could be wrong, but I think the NFL will give the cap-less system a go. Also, I believe they’ll let the draft disappear as well. Too much money being blown on the first round draft picks for too much risk because of the slotted money system. I believe they’ll end up embracing full free agency and that it will end up reducing costs.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Yep, last year was around $109M
Projections for this year’s hypothetical salary cap minimum would be around $112M, according to Nick Wright.
Wright seems to think that if Pioli doesn’t spend below the hypothetical cap minimum, he doesn’t “want to win this year.” He addressed Pioli about this, and Pioli didn’t seemed too concerned about reaching the salary cap minimum.
I’m not too concerned either.
we will have charles to re-sign at some point.
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
not worried yet
don’t worry until after the draft since we will giving money to a top 5 pick, 2 2nd rders and then all the others so that’s at least another 20 mil
I asked earlier but do we know the exact day we are starting the community draft?
Co-Leader of the annual 7 round live mock draft at MtD
wow shawn hill for a 7th rounder to detroit...I thought coach mike liked hill...interesting
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
yep found that interesting
Co-Leader of the annual 7 round live mock draft at MtD
by TheAngelsColts on Mar 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Like him or not the Niner's offense was just not very good with him at the helm.
Alex Smith came in and it was an instant spark… Not great but better. Enter David Carr and getting rid of Smith is a no brainer.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
A little concerned
As a Chiefs fan I see that number and Im not to concerned since there isnt alot out there to spend money on but as a lifelong Royals fan seeing the Chiefs in the bottom of payroll is a little disheartening
we will see post cba
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Yes, a Royals type minor league franchise is what I am seeing on radar too
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
2.7 led chiefs on nfl network vs ravens right now week 1
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Salary is just a number
Pioli explained it that we have a very young team. Young guys are paid less. Thus the low payroll.
Don’t worry about comparing payroll numbers, compare our talent, coaches, potential.
I’m glad we are keeping the payroll kinda low. You never know when you will need that. Especially when our younger guys come up to get resigned.
When all is said and done I believe Pioli and Haley want to win. They are not sitting back and waiting got our guys to just blossom…they are signing guys and upgrading the coaching staff by 10000%
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 14, 2010 2:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
These numbers are incomplete
They absolutely do not include the money that will be spent on rookies, and probably also doesn’t include some deals for high-performers who’ll get bumps up between now and August.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 14, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
Best case scenario for KC is
SD has injuries to Rivers and Gates, Denver screws up at end of season as usual
KC rides ez schedule and plays well and wins division with 8 to 10 wins
KC faces one of these teams in playoffs:
Indy, NE, Jets, Bengals, Steelers, Texans, Tirans, Ravens
KC would be an underdog to any, but always a chance in a one game playoff
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Joel when is the all AP mock draft and do you still need reps?
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
I know we have all the reps
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 14, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
This might...
be a blessing in disguise. If the players association recognizes that there will be a significant drop off in terms of teams paying well below the floor they might demand a reinstituted salary cap, thus allowing parity not seen in baseball. We might be saving all our bucks for next offseason. Its going to be crazy with all of these young players coming off of one year tenders, not to mention the young players that would have become unrestricted anyway. I don’t care about free agents anymore. I just want more draft picks.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
With Weigs signed that doesn't concern me much. Both are stop-gaps and not future solutions.
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Historically speaking....
How has KC historically rated as far as payroll? I know during the “wonder years” (90s) it seemed a lot of that was really hush hush (contracts).
I guess where I’m trying to go is has KC EVER been in the top tier as far as payroll? The same methods often yield the same results (19?? – present) minimal dollars spent may just equal minimal performance. (See team record)
It will be interesting to see how the next generation of the Hunt family is with the purse strings. Sooner or later somebody has to realize you may be able to have some success with prudent deals and so so coaching, yet still never get a glimpse from the top of the ladder.
Hopefully some of the stuff done thus far is an indicator of great things to come ( Weis, Romeo, etc.) but if your gonna buy used Chevy parts (player wise) how the hell ya gonna make a Mercedes?
Still curious as how they have spent on salaries compared to other NFL teams, which one of you “stat-heads” knows this?
GO CHIEFS
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
I like all the signings
but you can only buy Dollar General stuff for so long before you just have to man up and go to Wal Mart and spend an extra dollar.
My analogy of the day
Top Shelf Eh?
ROFLMAO…………
"It aint what happens it's how you react to it that makes all the difference." I'm sure it was somebody wiser than me that said it first. I coach girls softball and use that line all the time.
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