Question from an off season simpleton!
Good morning AP. I have been wanting to ask a question, but with my opinionated reputation, I thought it would be misunderstood. So, I opted not to, until now. I wanted to make sure I could try to explain this without getting anyone to blow a gasket for bringing it up. So I thought I would just level with you and see how I do.
The first time I ever heard of a combine was last season. On NFL Network. I had never seen a draft. Never followed one. I never played any organized sports growing up at all. So I am completely clueless about off season business dealings in the NFL. That means quite simply, that I haven't the foggiest idea how any of it works. I just found out there is a Pro day that is a separate thing from the Combine. I found that out like maybe two weeks ago. I learned who Tim Tebow was on AP recently. I live in Florida by the way. Yeah, Tampa. Get it? C L U E L E S S!
So I wanted to bounce an idea off of everyone here at AP. I will explain why I feel the way I do. I will do my best with what little I actually know. The eventual point of this intro is ask you to please feel free to explain to me why or why not this is feasible. I'm not preaching or teaching. I'm asking a question and asking for some serious feedback I can learn from, and I want you understand where my thinking is so you'll understand how to explain it to me best, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with me.
In other words, this isn't one of my blowhard,"I've got a point to prove and I'm on a mission" posts. I just want to understand this all a little better. Here goes;
First, take a look at the following video for me. I am sure most of you have seen this, but humor me please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIe8WsB1KZ8 I love to watch that, it never gets old. Anyway, I won't spend too much time on this. We all get it by now. We have something very special in Jamaal. I will say this and stand by it; "The NFL has not seen his full potential yet by any stretch of the imagination". So before I get started on a Jamaal rant, let me get to the point. I don't care if some of the teams in that video are not great teams. We have all seen enough to know, his skills are the real deal no matter which defense he faces. But what interests me, is his vision, his brakes, and his cut back skill. He has a very interesting RUNNING STYLE wouldn't you agree? It's fun to watch, but more importantly it changes the dynamics of every other facet of our team.
We instantly improved as a team because we had a force in Jamaal that opponents had to seriously, and I mean SERIOUSLY be aware of at all times. I think we can all agree so far pretty much right? We love Jamaal and he's special. He's a serious game changer.
Now please watch this video. The whole thing please. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqv4Xa3Ur3I.
That is the best footwork in the NFL from a receiver IMO. That's just for me. He is the most dangerous receiver in the NFL IMO. If you disagree with that, I understand, no problem. But even if you do, I bet this is still a fair thing to say; there is no better talent at the position than Brandon Marshall. I mean to say that if even if you lost Larry Fitzgerald from your team, if his replacement was Brandon Marshall, you haven't really lost anything. You still win. Now, to be fair, I'm ONLY talking about his on field talent at the moment. I know there are off season issues that can't be ignored. I don't intend to ignore them. I'm just trying to take this in steps is all.
My point being that IF Brandon Marshall could somehow become a Chief, he would INSTANTLY take our entire team to a new level. Done. Off field issues aside, you can't deny what he could mean to a team he put his heart and soul into winning for. Think of what our RB, Jamaal has done for us. Can you imagine the possibilities for Cassel and Weis if we had talents like that on our offense? I get tingles thinking about it. Things could happen this season, that we probably don't expect to see for a couple more years at this point.
So let's address the only issue I feel I might know enough about to make a valid argument for - Off field issues.
First off, it is the NORM for super elite wide receivers to be divas. That's the deal. There are exceptions. I acknowledge that completely right now. But, it certainly isn't going to shock anyone to hear that a wide receiver is making the NFL Network show for some ridiculous antics. While that does not excuse his lack of respect for the game of football itself, it doesn't excuse any other elite wide receivers either. But they all still have jobs. Many of them change as they mature, and a change of scenery is many times the catalyst for that change. Haley knows how to handle receivers with bad attitude's. That's his thing. Its what he does.
Secondly, if it were ONLY Brandon Marshall acting the fool after McD's arrival, this would be an open and shut case. Done. But when their star QB Cutler won't even return a phone call to the guy; and their other offensive superstar Scheffler also has major issues with the guy, it begs at least consideration that maybe we don't know enough about what really happened over there to judge. I would love someone to tell me what really happened. I can't find anything solid. And while opinions are cool, they don't help here. If you are going to tell us why BM's conduct over there was unjustified or is a sure fire sign he won't be different on a different team, at least quote something for me. I want to know. Because that could change a lot of how I feel.
Right now, all I can say is there is NOTHING I can find on the Internet, from any of the parties involved that gives any indication of what went down specifically. But when your top 3 offensive guys all end up so mad that they are all forcibly traded or benched in a game with playoff implications, something BIG is going on OK? It wasn't a Todd Haleyish attitude thing like what happened with Waters and Haley either. 3 of our guys didn't refuse to play for us at any point in the season.
So if Pioli could sit down with BM one on one and make some calls to guys like Cutler off the record and find out what happened, and it verified BM's story, why wouldn't you consider him?
Okay, this is where I need to remind you that if you want to explain to me why this makes no sense from a draft, trade FA viewpoint, the business side, I'm open to learning. But as a layman fan, this is how I would see it.
You use a draft pick to get YOUNG fresh players that you hope will have a major impact on your team for a long, long time to come. To help you win a Superbowl right? In very, simplistic terms, is that fair to say? You get the older experienced guys thru trades and FA as you see fit. So, who in the hell is going to make a bigger impact over the long term than Brandon Marshall? We don't have to give up all our picks this off season. Why isn't it possible somehow, if you were a genius trade specialist like Pioli, to work a deal involving players, picks etc. over a 2 or 3 year period?
We spent a first on Tyson Jackson and he may or may not (I like him) pan out. But he isn't going to have the impact Brandon Marshall would. If we draft those offensive lineman everyone keeps talking about, like Okung etc. It would instantly improve our O line, which Charles and Jones will do already! We would on fire, we would be set on offense. NO worries. Then we can take all the time we want to build our defense. WE have Romeo. We are rebuilding anyway. We aren't going to have the #1 defense in the NFL anyway yet. So why not fix the part of the team you can fix right now?
We have the second most picks. Would it be worth it to make an offer at least for him? Probably not right? I'm sure there is some way that would set us back overall. I just don't see it yet. So have at it. If Pioli could work the right deal and they all had the right feel, and BM grew up and became our Randy Moss, should we consider it?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Morning Kray
Thanks for the post. It is amazing how improved your posts are compared to when you started. I don’t know about BM but, I agree that he is a great talent. If Pioli checks him out and thinks he is worth the risk he would at least consider it.
The most important thing you can do in life is help other people.
heya kray...
movie called clueless in tampa …. lol
for the answer i would luv having him in kc…
my issue is that all those great draft picks we would have to forfeit to one of the evil empires…
so i do not think pioli would do that… kinda like pats pull things on the jets… so i do not think he would be up for that.
now if he was on a different team…. he could/should….
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 14, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The "Right 53"
I would absolutely love to get a guy with BM’s skills. Your question is tough to answer though. If it had to do with selfishness and lack of team support, then I’d say no. I would not want a player that is only in it for himself, the fame, the personal glory, etc. He would be a cancer to the team.
If there are other reasons, but he desires to be a team player, has grown up and learned to stay out of trouble, and has a solid work ethic, then you are absolutely right. His presence with Charles, Smith, and an improved O-Line, the team would completely transform the offense into a dangerous scoring machine.
Thoughtful and good post. I appreciate the question.
Nice post kray. Recd!
I’d be all for that. I think the professionalism and no nonsense style of Chiefs management and coaching could change a malcontent. Especially one whose sins just seem to be immaturity.
Imagine what a D Coordinator would be thinking during Chiefs week looking at Jamal, TJ, BM, DBo and Chambers on films. We would present sooo many problems. That would be a sleepless week.
Awesome
Jamal, TJ, BM, DBo and Chambers on films.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 14, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Good write up Kray
Idk I’m not a huge fan of Marshall’s or any “Diva’s” for the fact these guys make millions to play football. If he can’t keep his mouth shut and do his job, it’s more about him than McD or Cutler/etc. The fact that both BM and Cutler wanted out opens up options that maybe McD didn’t want them, or wanted to change too much for them to feel comfortable. If we could get BM for like our late second round pick, and a third/second next year the price wouldn’t be bad for BM. Say a low-ish 2 year deal to see if he can keep himself together while in KC.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 14, 2010 10:04 AM CDT reply actions
guy is a cancer
no way pioli goes for bm. Denver never won anything with him.
by Pat Dunn is my hero on Mar 14, 2010 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
See. I don't have a problem with your statement per say. Or your opinion. I want the truth.
So if he’s a cancer, please show me the links. I need something I can read from a source inside. Someone in the know. I don’t want to way off base with this one. So show me something please that tells me that he is a cancer. No matter what off field antics he pulled last year, he stayed a Bronco. They wouldn’t let him go. And their not making it easy now. Was it Josh or all 3 players? Both? I don’t know. I just don’t.
kray ... my brother, my friend, my pal, my ... OMG WHAT ARE ON?!?
Brandon Marshall??? you had a perfectly great post going and then … Brandon Marshall?!? has it really been THAT long since LAST SEASON? kray, stop and think here … LJ … yeah, you remember now, don’t you, used to be on our team … that’s right, running back … you remember him? of course you do!!!
and you remember his blocking lack of blocking, his crybaby attitude, his twitterdumb and twitterdee lunacy about Haley’s golf game? you DO remember all that, right? of course you do!!!
we’ve had a perfectly good offseason so far, the draft is approaching, nice story about Waters (and Vrabel) on the NFLPA board because, you know, they have CLASS and CHARACTER …
… you you speak the words that should never be spoken: Brandon Marshall …
yeah, he’d take the offense to a new level … a level right about where LJ left it
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Agreed. I just read some information about his arrest records on SB Nation
he’s a terrible human being. A cancer. He is everything negative I’ve ever heard. I recanted below.
see ... THIS is why you ARE The Man ... THIS is why I luvya ... because you, kray ...
… UNLIKE me … know when you’re wrong and are willing to admit it! now get on my Spoonwagon, willya? and hurry up about it! {{big cheesey grin}}
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
I would love to have Brandon Marshall...
But fact of the matter is, Denver would never trade him to an in division rival. They would probably take 75 cents on the dollar to keep that from happening. Personally I think Marshall’s off field issues area little overblown, after all that franchise had a trainwreck of an offseason last year. But when it boils down to it I dont think Denver really has any desire to get rid of him because they know more than anyone else how good Brandon Marshall is.
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
And on top of that...
Im not sure i would invest a top 5 pick in a WR, great teams are not built at the WR position. Great teams are built from the inside out, and this team has far too many problems to try and put band-aids on a much bigger problem.
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
by averagegatsby on Mar 14, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If Marhsall destroys the locker room it makes sense to trade him to a division rival.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Good point
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 14, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Love ya Kray but...
I just don’t think Pioli is willing to deal with BM. I also doubt that he is willing to part with a 1st round pick to acquire him. As much as I agree about the difference a guy like BM could make for our offense, I think he would cause too many internal problems in the locker room. If we’re going to spend a 1st rounder on a wideout, why not just get Dez Bryant and take our chances with his perceived “character issues”.
McDaniles is cut from the same Parcells cloth as Pioli and Haley.
If Marshall can’t handle McDaniles he’s not going to respond to our guys either. If Herm were still here it might make more sense so Herm could kiss Marhsalls ass and coddle him.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Which is what would be necessary to keep BM happy
A whole lotta ass kissin and coddlin.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
Our coaching staff ain't going to do much coddling.
BM would be a terrible fit here. Plus, he’s a douchebag.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
BM didn't even want to put it all on the line to try to get his Broncos into the playoffs
Claimed he had a bum hammy, then didn’t even show up to try to rehab it before the game. This is AFTER the offseason/preseason BS (you know, when he was a distraction in practice, batting down balls in drills, etc) had already blown over and he had been advised to try to be more of a team player, which it seemed like he was trying to do.
And this isn’t the first time he’s been accused of playing up his injuries. Looks like a trend, to me. As does his diva attitude.
Right now I just don’t think he gels with what we’re trying to do here. Let him be some other new coach’s headache.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
The fake hamstring injury occurred after Marshall made the Pro Bowl. Once he put up his numbers it was "fuck you" to the team.
Clearly the guy is more interested in his own accomplishments over the team’s. That would immediately disqualify him from being one of the “right 53.”
Also, the final game benching McDaniels gave Marhsall was at the behest of Marshall’s teammates who had had enough of his bullshit. Marshall is a locker room disaster just waiting to happen. We just got rid of 2.7, can’t we enjoy a little peace and quiet?
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
i think the coach screwed denver's chance to beat us...
he took a couple of guys off the roster…
by kcstevesportsfan on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Good post, though.
And good mornin.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
Lol..good morning. Hey could you post a link to a credible source for that?
I can’t find it. I don’t need to be right here. If there’s information like that out there, then I don’t want him here either. But do you a credible news source I can link to where he feigned injuries? I have heard the same thing, but its like the McD thing. Its riddled with questions. I wish I could find a credible source to back up the media. I don’t trust the media. At all.
They serve themselves. So I have no argument with your point. If that’s true then I’m there with you. But I would like to find the sources and see it for myself please. Please post link.
Sigh.. you're really going to make me look this up for you?
He shows lack of trust in the organization when he gets a second opinion on his hip injury after he was told twice he was fine. He subsequently gets surgery in the offseason, then dodges rehab at the team facility and skips portions of mandatory camp.
Followed by acting a damn fool and disrupting practice when he gets to camp. That was in the link I posted in my first comment.
Then, prior to our final meeting in the regular season, he injures his leg in practice. Shortly after, he was benched for the final game of the season. It was then reported that he was benched because he didn’t want to play with a slight hamstring pull. In the Denver finale. A win and they could be in the playoffs.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/01/brandon-marshall-benched/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/01/lack-of-communication-an-issue-in-denver/
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
Do you really think it was injuries AS? I don't know. Was it just how unhappy he was there?
I don’t know, just asking. That’s not good if its accurate. Which I haven’t watched it yet. But am going to right now. I wouldn’t want that kind of bad here either.
May be that he was just unhappy
But I certainly don’t want to be the team that has to walk on egg shells to keep this MFer happy when it aint goin his way.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
And here's more from MHR
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/6/15/909959/stepping-away-from-the-ledge
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
The stuff you guys are saying is all valid.
I just think that the Todd knows how to handle that stuff. He did it with Bolden and ALL of his former receivers have said that they were helped by him and would play for him again. Marshall IS young and can still be molded by his coach and team mates.
I agree that a 1st is too much to give, but for 2b and a 5 I’d love to have him.
I think Marshall is even WORSE thanTO as far as a bad attitude.
We all saw how well the whole Haley/TO thing worked out. I don’t think Marshall fits into the plan.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 14, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Boldin was not a problem receiver, or a diva
Unlike BM, he cried for a new contract but never held out, disrupted practice, or played up any injuries. He played THROUGH injuries and maintained his consummate professionalism.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
by ArrowSpread on Mar 14, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
And that my friends is absolute!! Boldin is a player from hell. His BAD media is BS. It's all lies
Not one person close to the inside source has ever said anything to confirm that rumor about him being a bad guy to coach or have as a team mate. He wants to win at all costs and is the best team player you could find.
Doesn’t change my opinion of BM yet. But its valid. BM is not Boldin. Most receivers aren’t. But one transgression that may have been spurred on by his teammates he was very close to, does not mean he is a cancer or will set a trend for being a troublemaker.
Although, if the proof is out there then I’m all for him never setting foot here. I just still to this point have NOT seen a single thing other than opinion to verify most of the claims about him. A separate post about some of the most popular and successful receivers ever and their off field antics could follow. DId anyone besides me know that Adam Padcman JOnes had like 16 arrests and still played ball, before he made the big headlines getting canned and asked back to Dallas?
Of course you did. Well I didn’t. And I doubt that most of us KNOW the entire criminal or off field issues of every receiver ever in the NFL. So all I ask again, is please give me a link. If BM is different I want to know.
Agreed
Bolden is a very good WR, even with some age, I would have loved getting him. I was hoping the Chiefs would try to get him, but not if it cost us to much pick wise.
Didn't McD flat-out say that if you want Marshall, you are going to have to sign an offer sheet
Marshall is tendered at a 1st rouder. Now that wouldn’t be bad if you had a late-round pick (meaning you are a playoff team) and are one or two pieces away from making a SB run. We are FAR from that.
Marshall would cost as the #5 overall pick at the least — not going to happen.
Plus his off-the-field issues flat-out scare me. We already know Marshall frequents the clubs. Hell, he was in the Darrant Williams posse that got shot up for starting trouble. Parcells hates clubs and players that go to clubs, and I think it safe to say that Haley and Pioli share that mindset.
I wouldn’t trade a 7th rounder for Brandon Marshall. One big misstep and he faces league suspension. Goodell isn’t afraid to suspend people that embarass the league, and Marshall has done so on NUMEROUS occasions.
Please enough with the Brandon Marshall posts!
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As for Charles, I agree with you. Quickest to the hole that I have seen in a Chiefs uniform since Joe Delaney. Very few players possess that skill. He is a special player, but also a great teammate. That is what we want in the red and gold…not a Brandon Marshall primadonna.
Wouldn't trade a 7th round pick?
Yes you would. It would be ridiculous not to if you had the chance.
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
by averagegatsby on Mar 14, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't agree with "all superstar wr are divas".
Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, John Stalworth, Otis Taylor, and the list goes on and on. But, those are yesteryear players, you might say. Let’s go with Larry FitzgeraId, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, and the Texans’ Johnson. I would even contend that Steve Smith of the Panthers is not a diva as he does everything his coaches ask and is instead a fierce competitor that puts up with no bs from anyone. As Ithink this is a large part of your premise in supporting a move to bring BM to KC, that the staff would be putting up with bad behavior no matter who the superstar is, I would respectfully disagree. Granted, Marshall is an incredible talent, but given the Pioli/Haley mantra of “the right 53”, I don’t see KC taking any significant risk to acquire him. I think this position is further supported by KC’s action in FA thus far. No big money and no giving up draft choices. I understand your interest in Marshall, but I could never see it happening with Pioli in charge.
I more than acknowledged there are exceptions. I think my wording was more along the lines
that it certainly wouldn’t surprise anyone to hear about an NFL WR on NFL NETWORK for some ridiculous off field antics. Just pointing that alone is not a reason. Jerry Rice & Cris Carter were both involved in off field legal scandals. Its not UNCOMMON is my point. I admitted it does not justify the behavior.
Although your point is taken. I need to process it a lttle longer. I’ll get back to you. Maybe I’m wrong about that one.
Great post!
With that being said, I have a hard time believing one word you wrote in your 2nd paragraph. Never heard of Tebow, really?
Yah I still don't know for sure which one is in Northern Fla. USF OR FSU...
The Seminoles or Gators…plus there’s the bulls. Where Taurus came from. But I don’t which cities their all from. I do my research as I post.
Kray are you new in Florida?
I’ve been in Jax for 10 years and don’t see how you couldn’t have heard of Tebow or know where the Gators and Criminoles are located. Do you know where the U of Miami is? ;-)
Hopefully in Miami. Here's what is even more embarrassing. The defensive coordinator of the Hurricanes
is one of my clients. Can u imagine how bad I have to bluff sometimes?? Lol. I mean I know Jimmy johnson was there. So thats good I hope. I hope he never reads AP lol. That would even make Monday more awkward than normal!
Skunk. Lets put this into perspective. I had NEVER in my life celebrated Christmas until
I was in my 30’s. Seriously. Don’t be amazed by things I know nothing about. I have never been trick or treating ever. Not once in my entire life. So. And I have lived here since I was in 3rd grade. And that is absolutely the truth.
I’m still trying to live man. I got a lot of making up to do. trust me.
have family there in Tampa
You’ve probably seen my baby sis down there, she does the new on tbo news channel 8. Small world.
Just say no...
Talent only gets you so far. I’d take Miles Austin over him any day.
I really don't which school belongs to those intials because I don't give a sh&* about either one of them.
I’m going to try this next year to start watching some college games. But I have such a hard time getting into them. There’s like 700 schools and they all have initials and uniforms that overlap and divisions and oh, the whole playoff or bowl thing is so complicated.
I doubt I can do it. Ive never watched a whole college game before. Never even a quarter really. But I will try this offseason.
if you ever have fl questions, let me know.
i’m down here in south florida, e-mail me and i’ll help you out
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 14, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
and unf, or university of north florida (haley's alma) is in jacksonville
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 14, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
E.C. Great clip!
I had JC and Chris Johnson as my starters in last years fantasy league, needless to say I finally won the championship. But, those two guys are very similar and I believe a new breed of RB.
OMG I never watched that before. Hey you know what rocks about that besides everything?
Remember in the SB, how Larry Fitzgerald got outrun? No one outran Charles when he turned the gas on in that Pittsburgh game. No one from Pittsburgh was catching our star player from behind? He’s got game. Great clip. Thanks. What great hands too right?
What have we got here in KC? Can u feel it? You dont’ want to get me started on Jamaal. He is IT!! We are going to build our future around him and rightfully so. I can’t wait to see what Weis can dream up for him? Can you? Awesome. I want a SB man.
My two cents, which is worth about One Dollar:
First, nice post: I viewed Charles college highlight reel, the one you posted there probably 20 times before he was drafted when I was rating QB’s prior to the draft. I ranked him number one then, and obviously, he’s proving us right.
The amazing thing about Jamaal, is that, if you compare his NFL reel I recently posted in my Jamaal Charles Ain’t Average post, is that his first year NFL highlight reel, actually blows away the college one, which tells me that he has improved at an alarming rate, to actually look so much better against the so much faster and meaner talent which is the NFL’s.
Imagine him in his 3rd thru 5th seasons at this clip. It’s mind boggling the potential this guy has.
Second, I could not agree with you more in regards to Brandon Marshall. He’s been my number one WR free agent target all along, with Boldin 2nd.
Signing Brandon would send me reeling in Chiefs fantatsy heaven and yes, I would love it if they would humble themselves, and just pay the man to come to KC. But sadly, I don’t think it’s going to happen, Some mumbo jumbo about value and the right 53 and all that stuff. But, it’s ok to dream a little….isn’t it?
Nuff said. Nice post.
I’m off to take the Red pill now.
Good Post Kray and Rec
We have debated most of the potential talent with the #5 pick by now.
Brandon Marshall for that wow factor that some want out of the pick, a Playmaker that others want out of that pick. A Proven player that some want out of that pick.
Most of the discussion is about a ILB, FS, NT, or an OT; and most of the analysis says trade down. We can find what we need in the second round on all those positions.
From Skunk:
Imagine what a D Coordinator would be thinking during Chiefs week looking at Jamal, TJ, BM, DBo and Chambers on films. We would present sooo many problems. That would be a sleepless week.
Would be fairly young and very awesome at the skills spots. Probably better than the Chiefs have ever fielded at one time with combined RB and WR corp.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 14, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
First off, good post Kray
I say no for a few reasons:
First, I can’t get over that clip of him acting like an a-hole in practice. He had no respect for his teammates or the game of football. I guess I’m stubborn/selfish in that I would rather have less talent at WR then have a player with that little class on our team. You might have been able to sell me if his own teammates hadn’t asked the coach to bench him with the playoffs on the line. Think about that, the playoffs were on the line and his teammates didn’t want him to play even though he was their best player. That alone is enough for me.
Second, I don’t think we are at a point yet where we can handle a BM yet. Think about the Patriots and Randy Moss. They didn’t bring him in while they were building the foundation of that team. They had the foundation and leadership set and had one multiple Super Bowls. If Moss had caused problems the coaches wouldn’t have had to say anything because the veteran players would of beat them to it. We are still too young and early in the process to gamble on a “bad seed”. Come talk to me after we’ve won a couple Super Bowls and then maybe I’ll get on board.
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there is an article about his legal troubles. I changed my tune. He’s poison.
Here's my reply to the topic, and I'm stealing it from Porkchop because it's exactly what I would say:
I don’t think we are at a point yet where we can handle a BM yet. Think about the Patriots and Randy Moss. They didn’t bring him in while they were building the foundation of that team. They had the foundation and leadership set and had one multiple Super Bowls. If Moss had caused problems the coaches wouldn’t have had to say anything because the veteran players would of beat them to it. We are still too young and early in the process to gamble on a "bad seed".
That’s my same argument. We can’t handle a Brandon Marshall right now… and even then, adding a BM type player might not pay off that much anyways. Remember, the Patriots still haven’t won even with Moss.
On top of all this, we’d have to trade with a division rival to get him. Not gonna happen. Let Denver keep him. They’re on the verge of imploding anyways.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
This video did it for me. No thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jWm1lak8NQ
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
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I saw that video a long while back. I wasn't concerned with any of the Broncos dealings.
Until now. I read about his legal troubles and he’s a bad person all the way around.
Hah, any post featuring Jamaal Charles and a band featuring Slash get a rec from me.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 AM CDT reply actions

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