Chiefs Making Moves To Correct The Offensive Line
by Joel Thorman on Mar 13, 2010 8:10 AM CST
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PrintEntering free agency, I'd say most Kansas City Chiefs fans pointed to center and right guard as positions that should be examined closely for an upgrade. In addition to that, I think a lot of us were bummed over the loss of Wade Smith, who was an adequate replacement at several positions on the offensive line.
There wasn't much action for the Chiefs in the first seven days of free agency but now they're hitting the second tier of free agents they've talked about and appear to be focusing on the offensive line.
The Chiefs made a few moves yesterday demonstrating their understanding of the need for an offensive line make-over at several spots.
New center in town
Two of the other three teams in the AFC West -- Denver Broncos and San Diego Chargers -- run a 3-4 defense meaning there's a big 300+ pound nose tackle across from the center on every play. In other words, the center position is especially important in this division.
The Chiefs on Friday brought back center Casey Wiegmann. The Broncos are moving away from a zone blocking scheme so he didn't fit in their plans. Wiegmann is 37 but folks will argue he's an upgrade at center, even if it's just for one year.
Upgrade at guard being looked at
The Chiefs are also reportedly bringing in free agent guard Ryan Lilja for a visit.
Looking at the Chiefs offensive line -- with the loss of Andy Alleman and Wade Smith -- there's not really a right guard on the roster.
Lilja played left guard but I suspect he and Brian Waters could handle both guard positions.
The new Wade Smith?
On Friday, agent for free agent offensive lineman Hank Fraley said the Chiefs are interested in his client and the signing of another player (i.e. Wiegmann) doesn't change their interest.
He also says there's a possible visit to the Chiefs, which NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports will happen on Monday.
Fraley can play multiple positions on the offensive line. On the surface, he appears to be a Wade Smith replacement.
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good moves, in the right direction moves ...
wouldn’t call them GREAT moves per se … Wiegmann is going on 37, one or two years sure, but we still need a Pouncey or Walton long term
Fraley might be the next Wade Smith and play all along the line, but he’s a backup for us … Lilja could be a GOOD addition, but at this point neither Lilja nor Fraley are under contract
we still need YOUNG STUDS on that OLine … so that it’s THE BEST Oline, not just for a year or two, but for a long, long time
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I agree with you.
Call it a great move, or a good move. Don’t matter. This is positive news no matter what. Of course, the Lilja and Fraley deal has to happen first.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 13, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I'd take either Lilja or Fraley--whoever wants it first.
Lilja is smaller and younger…not sure which I like more. Size and experience have value.
All of that being said, we still need more good, young blood to keep us fresh. I highly doubt that these players will prevent Pioli and Haley from adding young beef on the OL if it fits their draft board.
Weigs makes me so glad…Hawkeyes on the KC line…it just feels right.
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by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
O-Line
Great move I really hope we can sign Ryan Lilja. We should have never lost him the first time.
Big Whoop
Although Wiegmann is 37 I do think he will be a decent stop gap to develop a young center for a year. When it comes to bringing in Lilja I have to say what the heck. There is a reason the Colts released him and that’s because he can’t run block. The Colts were near the bottom of the league in rushing last year if I’m not mistaken and from what I hear Lilja was part of that problem. If Chiefs fans are hoping Lilja is our answer then I have a bad feeling they’ll be sadly disappointed.
by Smitty10_04 on Mar 13, 2010 8:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I heard somewhere that the colts are trying to go bigger
on the line and that’s one of the reasons he was released. plus, i’m sure there’s a lot that goes into their rushing problems, at least one of them is a dude named payton manning, they had the lowest rushing attempts in the league
You are correct but wrong...
Yes Lilja was apart of the problem, and yes he was cut because they ranked towards the bottom of the league in rushing.
What you’re wrong about is, Lilja can be the answer for the Chiefs. The colts run game is based on power blocking and driving your defender. The Chiefs run the zone scheme. It requires lighter more agile offensive linemen. The Chiefs lineman need to be able to pull, cut, and advance to the 2nd level, something Lilja can excel at because of his size. Chiefs olineman are only asked to drive block on short yardage and goaline situations. Also, Matt Cassel was sacked 48 times in 09’. Lilja is apart of the reason Manning has been the least sacked quarterback in the past 5 years. Lilja will instantly upgrade our pass protection. Last but not least, Lilja comes from an winning orginization. Winning breeds winning, and Lilja will bring his 2-time Super Bowl experience with him. If he us acquired, it’s probably our best free agent pickup this offseason.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 13, 2010 9:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Smitty, I agree.
I don’t see these guys as starters. At best, they are depth guys. If we draft Pouncey, he’s an immediaate starter. Rudy can go to RG where he’s better suited. He’s strong and big with long arms and a nasty streak. He’s been playing out of position at C and will be a pretty good G. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
gotta disagree with you here
i think Wiegmann or Rudy will be our starting center next year whether we like it or not. they’ll probably compete for the job in camp, Rudy will probably also compete fro RG. i think Pioli would rather use a 3rd to 5th on interior o line and let them learn behind a vet for a year or two. and Pouncey might be an immediate starter, but he’s still probably gonna struggle a bit, that’s what rookies do
Lilja and Fraley would be great depth if nothing else
Adding these guys wouldn’t stop the Chiefs from adding another OL in the draft. They would be terrific additions in terms of making this a unit of strength. I assume neither would be given any guarantee to start.
if Lilja can start on the Colts o line for five years or so
then why would he not be a starter here. I gotta say that Colts line is pretty good
The non factor in run blocking comment
by a Colts fan makes me wonder if thats why they jettisoned him.
I've seen a report that says Lilja can push into the second level of a defense.
Isnt he only 28? Maybe its his footwork. Maybe we can identify what the problem is and attempt to fix it. Cant they scheme and trap or pull other linemen for these situations to give help? If its passing were moving to next year, I’d like to give’em a shot, hell the Colts did. They still ended up in the superbowl. It couldnt have been 1 player. Theres no “I” in team. There had to be more to the story. Like why they lost. They gotta blame it on something or someone. To me it all started when the Colts head coach sat out there starters late in the game and they lost that first game.
Gotta agree with you...
Our pass blocking was horrendous last year, coupled by Matt Cassel’s tendency to hold onto the ball to long spelled disaster for our WR’s that couldn’t catch the ball. Lilja is not a power blocking guard, and that is where the Colts offensive line is going. Lilja on the otherhand works pretty well with zone blocking(being that he is pretty small and athletic).
Remember why we released him in the first place… we were doing more power blocking on the offensive line, and Lilja just wasn’t working on the line. I think that he will be a good starter for the offensive line… If we do pick him up he can’t be any worse than Mike Goff.
Go Chiefs!!!!
You may be right.
I’m just thinking that we will run the ball a lot more than we did last year. If that’s the case, a smallish, pass blocker who may or may not be an effective zone blocker will serve well for depth, but that’s about all.
Where does Waters fit though?
Waters had a rough season, but I still think he can play well in the ZBS
Waters > Lilja
Waters is still a baller.
All this talk of moving him to C is redonkulous IMNSHO. Waters should be able to play out his contract at LG where he belongs.
I didn't like what Waters had to offer in the ZB scheme...
he seemed to not be able to pull… and when he did he was slow or was flagged for a false start.
It could be he had problems transitioning to the new scheme, but overall I wasn’t impressed. Waters will stay in the same position if Lilja is brought in… we need a RG and Lilja wil be our starter there. That is unless Rudy Niswanger can step up at guard.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I think the BEST news is Joel Thorman's offer of $3 million for all APers
honest, I read that on one of the fanposts earlier …
… well, something like that …
{{ok, something ABOUT $3 million, but it WAS Joel’s comment}}
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 13, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
i see
3 way battles between weigman, lilja, Niswanger and fraley for C and RG.
C: Niswanger vs Weigman vs Fraley
RG: Fraley vs Niswanger vs Lilja (and maybe Ndukwe)
Abert – Waters – Weigman – Lilja – O’cal
Rich.- Brown – Fraley -Niswanger – Ndukwe
Don't like Lilja at RG at all
Albert – Waters – Wiegmann – Fraley – O’Callaghan
Richardson – Lilja – Niswanger – Ndukwe – C. Brown
ok think about this
Lets say they sign all 3 O-Linemen Weigmann, Fraley, and Lilja.
ok without thinking about Denver and the draft lets talk about these 3 O-Linemman.
Lilja, Liability in the run, nice pass blocker, 28 a plus for now, so 3 to 5 yrs of playing at this level, but he’s not going to get much better. We’ll be ready for a big push in 2 to 4 yrs, and when he starts downhill, I don’t think he’ll do it as gracefully as Waters is. Lilja will be a stopgap and will compete with Waters at LG. Loser gets cut or traded. I think Brown will get a look at LG with his skill set.
Weigmann, aging center coming out of a zone blocking scheme, definate stop gap at age 87, but he gives us the ability to move Niswanger and Fraley around. Fraley to RG and Niswanger to compete at both LG and RG positions.
Fraley, C/RG, Fraley if signed will compete with Niswanger, Ndukwe, Richardson, and probably a Rookie for the RG position. Fraley is another stopgap, this year at RG while we figure out who our future of the positioin is. If signed to a 2 or 3 yr contract, look for him next season at C, starting in front of a guy like Wisniewski or O’Dowd. I like Petrus in this draft as a guy to be groomed to be our RG of the future and backup C with his height. Fraley would be a nice pickup, probably the best one out of the 3.
Niswanger seemed to be an Edwards, then Haley favorite, If Fraley is signed I don’t see a spot on this team for Rudy unless he can knock Lilja and Waters out of the running at LG.
Ndukwe’s job is in trouble, backup RT and backup RG Like Niswanger he’ll have to show strongly enough to beat out Fraley, Niswanger and a rookie at RG. I think we’re going to address both RG and RT this season in the draft, take two young guys, I like Petrus at RG, and Jason Fox or Cirion Black at RT. I’d like to see Fox at 2b and Petrus at 4, or Petrus at 4 and Black at 5a.
Now lets throw a Wild Card in there, lets say we’re not satisfied with Lilja or Waters at LG, but we’re happy to go into the season on the right side of the line from Weigmann to O’Callaghan. Denver went to more man blocking last season and Clady struggled big time. Lets say Gerald McCoy falls to us at #5 and we take him. Denver was interested in Tyson Jackson last season and we send him to Denver straight up for Ryan Clady, and Denver takes someone like Davis in the draft at LT. That will throw a lot of jobs into jeopardy.
LT Clady – Albert – Richardson
LG Albert – Lilja – Brown
C Weigmann – Fraley – Petrus
RG – Fraley – Petrus – Brown
RT – O’Callaghan – Fox
That would leave us one position to take next season, C Wisniewski.
LT Clady – Albert
LG Albert – Lilja – Brown
C Fraley – Wisniewski
RG Petrus – Brown
RT Fox – O’Callaghan
by mcclanahanman on Mar 13, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Do you really think that Pioli would trade his 1st rd pick from just last year?
I also think you seriously underestimate Niswanger. It looks like he’s no longer with the team in your line(s).
I don’t believe Clady will turn out to be better than Albert at LT. It doesn’t matter though: Clady will remain a donk.
depending on what happens in the draft
I could see Jax or Dorsey moving on, depending on what Detroit does, and if Cleveland or Buffalo decides to jump in front of Washington for Clausen. If Detroit wants Dorsey bad enough, I could see him going for Suh, and if McCoy fell to us, I could see him being picked up in the draft.
If McCoy had entered the draft last year, we would have taken him instead of Jackson, and Pioli has shown interest in Suh in the past. It’s a little far fetched but not outside the realm of possibility. You have to admit both Suh and McCoy are perfect fits for the 3-4, and both are more talented than Jackson, better fits for the defense than Dorsey.
Denver was interested in Jackson last season, and Clady doesn’t fit their blocking scheme. Clady is a scheme player, he’d fit our scheme better at LT than Albert would, and show me a better LG in this draft or next seasons draft than Albert. Depending on what happens in round 1, and how bad Pioli seems set on having his kind of guys on the lines.
Clady fits that bill of a zone blocking LT than Albert, but in a man type scheme you’re right Albert is a better fit than Clady.
Niswanger, if he sticks around will be a backup at best, and I don’t believe he’ll be here more than another year or two.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 13, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
you get half
as drunk as I was when I wrote that and anything’s possible
by mcclanahanman on Mar 14, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Lilja on the right side?
it would be worth a shot, but if he has trouble run blocking, I would get my hopes up. Although it is an upgrade over a gaping hole (Goff).
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by jakethesnake27 on Mar 13, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
I like it
as long as it is an upgrade, which it is. I would really like to see us go C with our 2b or 3rd rounder but then again there is a few really good centers coming out next year. This is getting kind of interesting.
Another thing is that even if we were to sign all these guys there is no guarantees they will be on the team after training camp anyway.
Cringe...
but my bet is on Niswanger winning out at center, again.
If by C you mean RG, then I'm cool with that.
If he starts at center that means that Weigs/Lilja-or-Fraley/some first-day draft pick didn’t pan out. That’s not an acceptable solution.
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by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
It may take a year or so to get our line of the future,
but all of us and the Chiefs braintrust agree that moves must be made.
Didn't Wiegmann make a bunch of derogatory remarks
on his way to the Broncos? I just remember that I wasn’t that upset when he left because of what he said about the Chiefs. It was probably true but I still felt like he thru the fans under the bus with the rest of the organization.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
When Weigman was booed returning to Arrowhead ...
…he said he wished the fans knew it was not his choice to leave the Chiefs.
I believe he felt wronged by the old regime
Not by us.
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Waters isn't going anywhere...he stablizes whoever is at LT...
Haley said Albert benefited from a really smart LG playing beside him. Any beef they had is done. Albert or Okung or Bulaga need the steady hand and Waters works well with Weigmann.
GOod Moves
but…. Chiefs instantly start going from having one of the youngest rosters to oldest. now its not to say guys like Weigman and Waters wouldnt be able to Mentor 2 rookies. for a year or 2.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
Not really
Yea we’ve added a few vets, but we’ll be drafting 8 rookies and picking up undrafted rookies. This team will remain young, which is a good thing.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 13, 2010 10:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not to say that all of these old dogs stay in the pound, either.
A good draft pick or two and maybe a big summer from one of our young players (Colin Brown, Daryl Harris, Jermail Porter) will displace one of these guys for sure.
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-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Funny :)
I don’t plan on staying in the pound any longer than possible myself :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 13, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Barely an upgrade...
and that’s not saying much… Doesn’t anyone remember all the the short yardage 3rd downs the donkeys couldn’t convert last year? Moreno up the gut NEVER worked. Now some would blame the rookie, but having an over-the-hill center who’s never been known for being nasty didn’t help. I know we have The Coal Miner’s Son now, but I’d hate to see him stifled by a center who wanted/should’ve retired last year.
by RockinTheD.ThomasInDonkeyLand on Mar 13, 2010 10:16 AM CST reply actions
Read OL rankings below.
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by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
NFL OL rankings
Here are how the Offensive lines ranked last year: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
In runs up the middle, Denver’s OL with Wiegman at center ranked 6th in the league, at 4.41 yards/carry. Indy, with Lilja at guard, was 8th in the league at 4.39. KC was 30th, at 3.34 yards. The league average on runs up the middle was 4.08.
In pass protection, Indy was #1, no surprise there. Denver was 12th, and KC was 25th.
Those are ranks for the offensive lines as a whole, but Lilja and Weigman were starters on those lines, and it’s hard to imagine that Lilja wouldn’t be an upgrade here, and if Weigman plays as he did last year, he surely would be.
by Offense of the 70s on Mar 13, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions
I wonder
if this means we may be going with defense in the 1st round…?
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
individual rankings
Pro Football focus ranks linemen individually, after reviewing every play of the season.
They have Wiegman as a -5.5 player last season, a bit below average, with his biggest issue being called for 6 penalties. Note that he played every snap of the season for Denver:
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=&surn=wiegman&playerid=227
By comparison, they have Niswanger at -13.3 last year:
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=&surn=niswanger&playerid=3442 He was called for 6 penalties as well. Interestingly, they show Niswanger playing horribly for the first half of the year, but getting better as the season went along. I think most people would agree that the Chiefs OL improved from horrible to not so bad by the end of the year. They show that Jacksonville, Baltimore and Pittsburgh abused Niswanger badly, but he played decently in the rest of the games.
They have Lilja as a +7.9 player, which is solidly above average, and a +3.8 run blocker, which is also above average: http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=&surn=lilja&playerid=2105
He sat out part of the last game of the year to rest up for the playoffs, otherwise he also played every snap of the year for the Colts. He wasn’t called for a single penalty all year, according to that site.
For KC, in only 486 plays, Goff was a -12. He allowed 11 QB pressures, 4 sacks and 3 hits. They have Waters as our best OL, and Albert having a miserable year, especially with the 13 penalties called on him. Alleman had horrible numbers, but Idukwe was a tiny bit above average in limited playing time.
http://profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=16&stype=a&stats=o
People always quibble with the numbers from PFF, but at least they review every play of the season, so even if you disagree with some of their numbers, it’s coming from watching every play. I highly doubt that any of us watched every play that Lilja and Weigman were involved in last year.
Anyway, take those numbers with however many grains of salt you want, at least they come from someone watching all the plays, not just remembering a few remarkable plays.
by Offense of the 70s on Mar 13, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
+1
Nice post…I like PFF but i’ll admit some of their numbers are flat out wrong. But for the most part it’s fairly reliable when comparing how an individual player stacks up against the rest of the league. One thing I notice is the have O Call rated so low, yet everyone here on AP thinks he did a remarkable job last year. (and compared to the other RT’s we’ve had lately he did)
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 13, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Rudy is just too tall and gangly in his stance for big NT's.
That explains why Jax (Henderson), Baltimore, Pittsburgh all had success there.
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-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Good research...
Happened to be looking at the same site as I was reading the comments above. Weigmann is a bit below average overall, but in the categories that matter, he’s positive +2 and +.5 in the run and pass, respectively.
Not so much worried about his screen blocking or the pentalties.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
I was going to post a FanShot like that
Thing to consider is the 2008 rankings. They had Brian Waters as their #2 LG last year.
So...
our line was bad, and almost any addition to it will improve it. Bring them in, let them compete in camp, if they suck, cut ‘em, if not we’re a better team. This isn’t rocket science. There are very few positions that we couldn’t use some competition in, except for safety, right?
by Chief Arrowhead on Mar 13, 2010 11:45 AM CST reply actions
Waters and Cassel Should be Happy
Brian Waters should be happy to be getting a familiar feel to his right at Center in Weigmann. No doubt these two were completing each others sentences before Weigmann left. In addition, I have to believe that Matt will benefit from taking more professional snaps from the salty veteran. Weigmann has a lot to offer in terms of leadership to a developing QB like Cassel. In my view, it’s a good 1 year move until Pouncey can develop into our Center of the future. Nice post Joel.
Love it
never understood letting him go in the first place.. Reminds me of T-Rich – maybe the jets want to let him come over with TJ???
C'mon Joel
You could have used one of Wiegmann’s photos as a Chief instead of the one you put up.
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by 58 was my friend on Mar 13, 2010 12:46 PM CST reply actions
Wiegmann signed to
help train a new drafted center? would be an excellent idea I think.
by sgthall on Mar 13, 2010 1:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully.
The kid from Washington state, or the kid from Boston College sound like Wiegs’ kind of players.
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by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
If Wiegman is such an upgrade to our line?
Why was he released to begin with? Was it $$. I was under the impression last year he was undersized for C and the Chiefs wanted to get bigger.
That's exactly why he was let so, spin....
Herm wanted to go with a more power-zone scheme, with larger players and more of a downhill running style. We’d been using a zone-man scheme that pulled our guards and centers for about a decade before that.
Wiegmann isn’t even 300 lbs, so using him as more of a head-on battering ram than as a decoy or “moving target,” makes no sense. That’s why he was dropped as Niswanger was moved to the first team—they felt Rudy had more power than Wiegs and could play that style of ball.
That turned out to be a falsehood…Rudy looks like more of an athletic-type than a masher, and played like one too.
Since we ran more zone last fall, and had great success with it based on the athleticism of our back (JC!!) and what was left of the o-line, bringing in an experienced zone-scheme center makes a lot of sense.
I see more of the same for our team in 2010.
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-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
let so = let go.
Sorry.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 13, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Great comment
I didn’t realize our Big Bad O-Line ran a ZB scheme before.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 13, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Steve.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Mar 15, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And I don't know if you've heard
But Denver is transitioning to more of a power-blocking scheme where a smaller, aged C would become more of a liability than in a zone blocking scheme.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
I'd be very surprised if we sign both Fraley and Lilja
I’d be fine with it, but I doubt we do it unless they’re planning on moving Waters.
I think Niswanger is going to be our new ‘Wade Smith’ and will back up the 3 interior OL positions.
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