Ryan Lilja Will Have Company On Monday's Visit To The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Mar 12, 2010 5:23 PM CST
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PrintWithin the past hour, we've received word that the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed to terms on a one year contract with center Casey Wiegmann. We also heard that the Chiefs are hosting free agent lineman Ryan Lilja on Monday.
Well, Lilja will have some company. Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports the Chiefs will be hosting offensive lineman Hank Fraley on Monday as well.
We just wrote a story on Fraley this afternoon about the Chiefs interest in him.
Fraley was originally an undrafted free agent with the Steelers in 2000. He moved to the Eagles the following year where he spent five seasons.
In 2006, he was traded to the Browns, who were coached by Romeo Crennel at the time.
Last season, he saw time at several spots along the offensive line -- mainly center -- including a few starts at right guard.
The Chiefs of course don't really have a right guard at the time.
Fraley is 32 years old.
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is it just me are do you guys think we can make a run for things this years if we get these guys and have a good draft
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i think we can make a run...
at the division and the playoffs. i think people put too much emphasis on players though and not enough on continuity and heart and knowing the system. i want some of these guys, and i think they’ll help, but that’s why they’re always talking about the right 53, because that’s what builds winning teams
Agreed on the continuity statement
We’re still filling gaps. Sign a guy like Lilja who’s on the right side of 30 and we can work with that. Anybody over 30 who can still play well is called depth. We’re not done building yet.
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agree - things are looking good
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
Bam, Bam, Bam
Scott Pioli has installed a revolving door. Love it!!!
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
keep it up scott..announce our ILB :)
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
he can't annouce Spoon til the draft {{grin}}
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D'oh!
Homer!
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Hey...
I like Spoon, but I think he goes before we even have a chance to think about picking him up in the 2nd round. And he’s not a top 5 pick.
Charles to the 20... 10... TOUCHDOWN! KANSAS CITY!
bring em all in
Competition is great
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
by stagdsp on Mar 12, 2010 5:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sounds like Fraley could be our new "Wade Smith"
"Without me, it's just aweso".- a possible comment made by Jamaal Charles and/or Eric Berry.
Then this may spell the end for Rudy
unless he can develop at RG.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
I think Rudy will make sound depth at guard
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More good news!!!!
It's not unusual for a team to claim that a player failed a physical in order to release them.
They do it all the time in order to release a player under that tag in hopes that other teams may not touch him and then resign him again.
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by oldchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
NO ....STOP IT some more.....Getting spoiled with this instant news.... love it
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
Okay what have you guys done with the AP of a couple of weeks ago?
All I saw was bitching and complaining by a bunch of peeps here, now all of a sudden everyone’s happy as a clam.
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The ban hammer took care of the most confrontational complainers
Plus signing Jones kind of put a stop to the “pioli only brings in no-name free agents” argument
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.
Good News Everyone!
We’re bringing in some of the best free agents available and seeing what they can do for us!
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left.
by Aperture on Mar 12, 2010 5:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
lol, perfect
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by oldchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
You know...
Futurama is coming back in the summer with 26 new episodes…In case your a fan.
by MasterBlaster7 on Mar 12, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
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by redmedicone on Mar 12, 2010 5:39 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Love it.
I actually have a Mr. Burns kids meal toy that I stole from my 4 year old on my desk at work. You push a button on the back and it says “excellent”.
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Smithers tells burns that there are some people from the Springfield orphanage who are asking him for a $1 million dollar donation. Burns says he’ll donate the million dollars . . . when pigs fly! Cue Homer’s roasting pig as it sails past Burns’ window. Smithers asks Burns if he should cut a check for the million dollars. Burns: “I think not.”
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
You realize this means we're going to win the Flint Michigan Megabowl right?
We have so many more friggin options in the draft now. Sign both of em. We’ll make it to the playoffs AT LEAST this year folks.
I can’t believe all these people want to play for us. We basically gave Thomas a really expensive washing machine to come play. WOOT!
by The_Bernard_Pollard_Rule on Mar 12, 2010 5:39 PM CST reply actions
if we get these line guys onboard our draft is gonna be all sexy picks
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Lord I hope not
IF we sign Fraley to a 2 or 3 year contract, it’ll give us a chance to draft a center in the draft after this one, O’Dowd or Wisniewski, and develop him. Then we’ll be able to take Render or Petrus or someone else in round 4 or 5 and groom them to be our RG of the future.
Wiegmann, is a stop gap, you can’t deny it. he’ll push Niswanger out to RG, or Fraley over to RG. He’ll give us more flexibility along our offensive line this season. He’s still not the answer.
Lilja, where does he fit into the mix? Are we trading Waters? Lilja is a gifted pass protector, but a liability in the run game. He’ll help Cassel, but hurt the production of Charles and Jones.
I’d love to see Jason Fox come in round 2, or Cirion Black in round 5 to push O’Callaghan for a starting position around midseason.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 12, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Competition and Depth
Its the only way to look at this. If they can build a kick-ass first string O-line out of these guys, I say bring ‘em in. If it means we don’t draft an OT with the number 5 pick, I’m all for it.
Charles to the 20... 10... TOUCHDOWN! KANSAS CITY!
Jesus mcclanahanman...are you my doppleganger?
I thought I was the only one thinking we should persue O’Dowd and Wisniewski next year…
I chalked that up to a fluke…then Petrus and Ciron Black? If you want barry at 5# you could be my twin brother.
for the last few months my picks look like this…btw im cutting and pasting this….
1st Eric Berry (S)
2nd Carlos Dunlap (DE)
2nd -Vince Wilfork- (NT)
3rd Brandon Spikes (ILB)
4th Ciron Black (RT)
5th LaGarrette Blount (RB)
5th Mitch Petrus (G)
6th Myron Rolle (SS)
although…one thing you should think about…and something that is bugging me…..there are also two really good NTs going next year…forgot their names….so if we climb to 8-8 we might have to choose between top NT and top C.
Also next year is supposed to be the year of the WR…there are 3 probably going in the top 5
by MasterBlaster7 on Mar 12, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Take a NT in round one
and Wisniewski or O’Dowd in round 2.
If we’re stuck at 5 I’m fine with Berry, but I’d rather have Suh or McCoy if at all possible.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 12, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
o dowd in the 2nd?
What do you think of Walton?
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
I like Walton
But It makes more sense to me to stick with Weigmann this season, and start Fraley at the beginning of next season and take Wisniewski or O’Dowd, and I usually say Wisniewski because he’s shorter and should get better leverage on the inside, and he’ll probably fall farther than O’Dowd.
Walton or Olsen would be nice, but I’d rather wait on O’Dowd or Wisniewski and stick to the journeymen C’s this season and the beginning of next. The more talent we have on the lines, the deeper we’ll go in the playoffs when we’re ready to make our push.
This season I’d say Petrus over Walton or Olsen because he’d be a nice right guard, who could cover at C in a pinch because of his size. He’s stout as a bull, reminds me of Will Shields in a lot of ways, although his shorter stature would limit him to the interior line. I keep coming back to Petrus over Render, Walton and Olsen, because I feel like when it comes to the short yards and he has to man up and drive block, he’ll be the strongest of the four at the point of attack. Same with Wisniewski. Both shorter, stronger players who should be able to get under their man and drive them back.
Even if we’re going to zone block, I’d like for us to have some guys that can smack you in the mouth when we get into short yardage. If Wisniewski or O’Dowd was going in this draft, would you rather have one of them, or Walton or Pouncey? My problem with Pouncey is, would you have to take his brother next season to keep him happy?
The better the talent on the lines, the better the skilled positions will look.
In this scheme a line like this is my dream for 2012
Clady – Albert – Wisniewski – Petrus – Fox
They’d be able to play the zone scheme and man up and hit you in the mouth in short yardage and goal line situations from the LG to the RT.
Albert – Render – Walton – Brown – O’Callaghan would be a nice line but which would you rather have when we’re making a post season push?
I say Clady because Denver is wanting to go to a man scheme, and he would be a step up over Albert at LT in our zone blocking scheme in pass protection, something I can’t say over anyone in this year’s draft. He struggled in Denver this past season after an awesome rookie year. I don’t think McDaniels see’s him as the future for Denver at LT. I think he’s on the block on draft day, I can see someone like Davis going to Denver in the first round, or Cody at the Nose.
Albert at LG, there’s no one in this year’s draft that would come close to him there, He’d be a couple of steps up over a declineing Waters and Lilja.
Wisniewski, C, really can you say Walton would be better for us in this position? Yes Walton would be a solid C, but Wisniewski would shine over him.
Petrus, RG, a strong guard, kind of short, if anything happened to Wisniewski he could slide over to C and Brown could man this post.
Fox, RT, if it wasn’t for his injury this year he’d be in the first round, I think he’d do better than Anthony Collins in Cincy, who came out in a similar situation.
This draft is deep on the Line, but the top tier talent isn’t what it’s been in years past on the O-Line.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 13, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
great write up
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 5:41 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
He did
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 12, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
not yet, but I hope he does ... Lilja is young enough to be a stud for awhile
and Brown should be healthy …
now we still need a YOUNG guy at Center, but if we get the OLine looking good we could EASILY be 8-8 this year
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Fraley would be a nice add
as a starting RG or even an interior swing guy (replacing Wade Smith)… he would give KC a lot of flexibility.
also wont cost the 3 mil a year smith got
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
Fraley will give Weigmann a run for his money
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Proof that you can be agressive in FA without spending an arm and a leg.
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Everybody now!
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by oldchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I still
say we are a distant 2nd place in the afc west. Until our qb play steps up, J Charles can show he is the real deal next yr AND our def make stops in the running game. But I do have to say that SD is showing some chinks(?) in the armor
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chinks i think they have holes and they are gonna fall this year or the next
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by oldchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i think our QB play was not terrible
for being the first year in the system; the whole teams first year really, and he will get better. he actually showed me something last year with how not so terrible he was; very few QB’s are the bomb right off the bat, especially when coming to to a truly terrible team. i say our D is what must improve. they were damn bad last year
I think the QB problem...
rested on the play of the OLine. Yes, the quarterback has to be smart and get rid of the ball, but he has to have a little time to do that. Cassel spent a lot of time testing his pads on the turf last year.
Charles to the 20... 10... TOUCHDOWN! KANSAS CITY!
I thought we'd get 1 or two, but didn't think we'd get 3 of this caliber
and still may not, but I didn’t think they’d consider taking that many in FA
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 6:02 PM CST reply actions
well tried getting your team in our community mock but just missed it (was told I had dibs but didn't happen lol)
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
So as a Colts fan,
do you think Lilja is a solid starter in the NFL?
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Defiantly. He is older now though and struggles some this year with his injury.
I think he can still play at a high level if not hurt though
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
considering we now have one of the best Strength and Conditioning coaches in the NFL
Injury bugs may fall in our favor here, also considering he started all of last season.. right?
KRRRAKATAWAA
yes
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
NICE!
Great moves. I was against the release of Casey Wiegmann in the first place, and now we might be getting Ryan Lilja? Wow. talk about upgrading.
by BetterRedThanDead on Mar 12, 2010 6:18 PM CST reply actions
I feel kind of guilty about that,
we better throw in Bobby Wade. :-P
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by KCporkchop on Mar 12, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lilja would be nice
But I feel like we’d have to take Pouncey in the second (assuming he fell there) or Walton in the third if we plan to start Lilja at RG..
KRRRAKATAWAA
I'd do Walton in 2nd if Pouncey is gone ... in a heartbeat
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
Remember we have to replace Waters too.
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by GenericBrand on Mar 12, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
I was gonna ask about that.
“What about Colin Brown?”
Charles to the 20... 10... TOUCHDOWN! KANSAS CITY!
He's not
He’s solid and he’s younger, Waters is on the decline and Lilja is on the plateau, by seasons end Lilja will probably be looking better than Waters.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 13, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
These sigings and invites tell me that there will be no 1st round LT.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
not the case if they take Lilja then it probably means that
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Fraley is going to be used as leverage..
Much like Fargas with Jones. Whoever we end up with will be a good signing
KRRRAKATAWAA
Are you so sure about that?
Lilja is a LG, he’s not enough of a mauler to be a RG, Fraley can play RG and C.
If all 3 are signed, I’m sure Waters is leaving somehow, trade, cut……something.
Fraley will give us the flexibility to deal Niswanger and draft a young guy to play RG, Lilja gives us the flexibility to deal Waters and develop Brown to play LG. A young RT would be nice in this draft as well, and there’s going to be 2 centers sitting there in next season’s draft and both are better than Pouncey.
what the 2010 line could look like
LT Albert – Richardson
LG Lilja – Brown
C Wiegmann – Fraley
RG Fraley – Draft pick
RT O’Callaghan – Draft pick
What the 2011 line could look like
LT Albert – Richardson
LG Brown – Lilja
C Fraley – Wisniewski
RG Petrus – Fraley
RT Fox – O’Callaghan
2012 Line
LT Albert – Richardson
LG Brown – Lilja
C Wisniewski – Fraley
RG Petrus – Fraley
RT Fox – O’Callaghan
by mcclanahanman on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
if they make brown into a LG
i see it taking at least 2 more years instead of 1. not sure he has it to be a RG let alone a LG yet but one can dream.
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh and in case you were wondering, that hug offer is still there when you are ready UC :p
no way that
the nfl man of the year or w/e the hell he got for his charities will get traded or cut. waters leaves when he becomes a FA or retires. i guess i could be wrong. don’t know pioli well enough, but usually, a gm doesn’t make that kind of move.
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by chief Stevie_k on Mar 13, 2010 2:08 AM CST up reply actions
Usually?
Forget the man of the year, look at it like this.
Lilja is a step down from Waters yes, but Waters is declining while Lilja is a plateau player. Lilja has 3 to 5 more year of play at this level, while Waters is starting down the other side.
Waters is in the last year of his contract, and it makes sense to deal him now, declining player, still a solid name, damn good guy, and although a draft pick wouldn’t produce at his level right away if at all, it gives us another young guy for several years, instead of Waters for this season.
by mcclanahanman on Mar 13, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
This Pioli guy might not suck
..unless he trades Waters to start a stiff like Brown and doesn’t draft a LT
No worries
We r only signing 1 of the 2 players. You don’t trade the NFL man of the year.
by TonyG88 on Mar 12, 2010 10:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No worries
We r only signing 1 of the 2 players. You don’t trade the NFL man of the year.
by TonyG88 on Mar 12, 2010 10:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hear ya on the iphone.
Sometimes it screws with you.
Yes, I'm still alive. Sorry to disappoint you.
Yes
Correct Peterson’s mistakes, and put Waters, Weigmann, and Lilja in the middle. Just think, if Peterson would have kept these two. Our o-line would have not sucked so bad the last three seasons.
Lilja would be a great pick up.
With Wiegmann back and Lilja at Right Guard. We are one tackle away from seeing what Cassel can do. And I think he can be a great QB with a good line. Let’s make a deal for Brady Quinn just in case and let’s have a playoff season next year.
Yes, I'm still alive. Sorry to disappoint you.
I love it, sign Lilja and Andra Davis.
Then we can draft a bit more relaxed, having 4 positions needing upgrading covered. (#2 RB, Center, RG, and ILB).
Bottom line is we are getting better and not breaking the bank to do it
Pioli knows what he is doing and I will not question it. What’s next?
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
I want lilga and Davis plus
I want mt.Cody and spikes in the 2nd but the first round I want berry
by Chiefs wiseman fan on Mar 13, 2010 7:25 AM CST reply actions
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