Why Aren't the Chiefs Talking To LB Kirk Morrison?
by Matt Conner on Mar 11, 2010 8:05 PM CST
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PrintThe Chiefs have a lot of holes to fill -- that much was made clear by both Todd Haley and Scott Pioli during their press conferences at this year's NFL Combine. Both mentioned that the Chiefs were a four-win team, so obviously there are talent deficiencies and holes to fill at nearly every position on and off the field. And after adding some significant coaches and free agents, it's good to see the Chiefs addressing some needs.
But arguably the biggest position of need still has yet to be addressed: linebacker. The Chiefs playing a 3-4 means that there needs to be four quality guys on defense and, much of the time, that just hasn't been the case. Sure, we were all surprised by the play of Corey Mays. Sure, it's an asset to have a leader on and off the field with Mike Vrabel. Sure, the coaching staff seems to be enamored with Demorrio Williams. And, of course, there's the absolute surprising year from the Chiefs unquestionable defensive MVP in Tamba Hali. Yet to those outside of Kansas City, it's not exactly a foursome that conjures images of greatness.
So while some may say we have some players and possibilities at the spot, I think most of us would admit the position deserves some attention. Andra Davis got some notice as he was cut by the Broncos recently and he's certainly familiar to new Defensive Coordinator Romeo Crennel. Some have the Chiefs possibly choosing a linebacker in Rolando McClain in the draft. It seems that if there's a decent name at the position available, either in FA or in the upcoming draft, the guy has someone rooting for him to join the Chiefs. All except for one.
What about Kirk Morrison?
Check out the reasons why after the jump:
Who? What? Consider this: He's only 28. He's led the Raiders in tackles four of the last five seasons and had 133 last year. Here's his latest read from Scouts, Inc.:
Morrison is an extremely instinctive LB who has the size, strength and speed to make plays all over the field. He is very quick to read and react. He's physical against the run and is a good solid tackler. Morrison can take on and shed blocks quickly. He has good lateral quickness and is agile enough in space to make plays against quick change-of-direction runners. He knows how to play with knee bend and he uses his hands well play off contact. In passing situations, he does a good job of gaining depth quickly and reacting to patterns in zone situations. He can anticipate and get a good break on the short to intermediate throws. He is a player that should continue to contribute at a high level and does not get enough credit for his production.
Somehow, the Raiders don't value MLB and have put their leading tackler out there for a third round choice. Even stranger, Gregg Rosenthal of NBC Sports noted "The Raiders would seemingly be thrilled if Morrison signs an offer sheet elsewhere." While losing a draft choice might not be of interest, it's gotta be a great trade off to acquire a savvy, intelligent NFL linebacker who can help quarterback the defense in the middle for the cost of Alex Magee's spot last season, right?
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Hes a horrible run defender,
and is a less talented Demorrio Williams. Oakland Raider defender castoffs arent generally gems.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
According to profootballfocus...
which I know isn’t gospel — he rates 4th against the run behind Willis, Lewis and Lofton.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
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That's really not true.
Morrison is an extremely talented linebacker who excels against the run and tackles everything. The Raiders are just stupid, which is why they tendered Stanford Routt with a 1st and 3rd.
Been wondering the same thing myself.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
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Kirk Morrison is a beast
Also seems like a nice guy off the field.
I mentioned this in a post earlier
The best possible situation would be to acquire another 3rd rd pick, and sign Kirk Morrison to an offer sheet. Even if we wer’nt able to get another 3rd rd pick, Id still do it. He’s a beast, and he is relatively young. I wonder has anyone thought of this…
I just don't like the idea of giving up draft picks
Especially to a division rival. I do like Morrison though.
I hate the idea of not being in the third round of the draft...no thanks
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
wouldnt you rather have a sure thing?
Best case scenario for the 3rd round pick would be a guy with Morrisons production. Why gamble?
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by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2010 8:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because the guy in the 3rd round will be 21 or 22
not 28
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+1
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
so assuming we get starters from the first 3 picks
That’s a lot of youth. Good teams have a good balance of youth and veterans.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2010 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
We really dont have a 3 down starter at ILB…Bring in a vet who is still young
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Vrabel's old enough to be THE veteran player for the whole team
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so? he's still that much younger than Morrison
… besides, we don’t know how good a young kid MIGHT be … OR … how good Morrison would be (past performance isn’t always equal to future performance)
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Morrison's a lot less risk ....
than a draft pick we know nothing about. The point I was making is that it’ll be 3 years before you know if the draft pick can perform the way Morrison is right now.
Not necessarily
Let’s say we use that pick on a LB. There’s plenty of LB’s that come in their first year and do well.
well, if they knew NOTHING about a draft pick they'd never take anyone
based on that
and
every FA would be a raging success story … and we all know that’s not quite the case
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That's pretty naive.
Drafting is about projection and promise. The odds are a lot higher that Morrison will continue his current rate of performance than that a 3rd round draft pick will definitely match Morrison’s production. 28 is 3 years younger than Davis, and he’s in the prime of his career. We already have 2 ILBs that we are hoping develop into productive players. Wouldn’t it be nice to have some insurance?
insurance is always nice
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We've heard Haley and Pioli talk about building the team, but also
doing what we can now to give us the best chance to win. I believe that in the end, they will do exactly that.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I do, too.
I don’t think I’m more qualified than those two guys to make the decision here. I just don’t always agree with the POV that a potential draft pick is always worth more than a proven veteran, especially when the veteran is in his prime. I’m not advocating that we go get Morrison, but I do think he is definitely worth the value of a 3rd round pick.
fair enough
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
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I meant the response to gifted.
The other one actually came from my mom. She’s really bad about misunderstanding lyrics, and she really thought that’s what Hendrix was saying.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
then he's a smart one he is :p
Seriously mates, when have I ever been sarcastic?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
BS ... if it was always about "track record" then all FAs would be awesome all the time
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not necessarily
If they are going to a diff scheme or have character problems or don’t gel with teammates around them or….then ya they won’t live up to the hype about them.
If, and I say if he comes to the Chief’s he’ll fit right in…great character guy, leader, everyone loves him….
in a childish voice I know he’ll fit right in! So there!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
maybe...lol
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
age isn't a problem I don't think...injury...possible, but the guy
hasn’t missed a game due to injury his whole career. Is there a stat on how many people he’s taken out of a game?
Certainly there are no guarantees…but then we wouldn’t get anyone.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
ic...well la tee da
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
buy him some ice cream, he'll be fine
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Agree 100%…..although i understand the next comment that the draft pick is younger, still this is your best case scenario for that pick….why gamble? at 28 he’s still got at least 4 more years of production….that’s well worth a 3rd round pick and there’s no gamble….
by ClydeTheGlyde on Mar 11, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
why?
A 3rd rounder may or may not be an impact player. Kirk we know already is and he still has at least 5 yrs of football left. I’ve wanted this for a while now.
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by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2010 8:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly
There’s no guarantee he’d be an impact player here either.
I don’t know. I know you can’t build completely through the draft, I just think if this year’s draft is as deep as people say, we should be able to get a solid player there that can be with us even longer than Morrison.
If they make the move, I’ll get behind it but it’s not something I’m going to get upset if they don’t do either.
It doesn't have to be a LB though
They could get a LB in the 2nd (DeMeco Ryans, 155 tackles his rookie year) and an offensive linemen that could possibly start right away in the 3rd.
just because people say it's a deep draft
doesn’t mean every player in the top 3 rounds is gonna be productive in the NFL, in fact many of them won’t be and we might just get one of them. not that i’ll be upset if we’re drafting in the 3rd
I know, we all know that ... so, do you want the link for the 10 worst FA deals?
it cuts both ways …
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Will Shields turned out pretty well for us.
and we could use another RG of his quality.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Mar 12, 2010 5:16 AM CST up reply actions
how many 1st rounders are busts?
there are NO guarantees … not with rookies, not with FA’s
I prefer building thru the draft and keeping the overall build of the team young
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i prefer building through the draft too, but it doesn't mean that's the only way you build
there’s nothing wrong with giving up a draft pick here and there to get a player a team really likes as long as they’re damn sure about it. honestly i don’t really care what they do with it, just playing devil’s advocate
but if you add him now for a 3rd rounder..
you can draft another LB in the next couple yrs to replace him……we need starters NOW…and this guy can play for another 4-5 yrs…..so thats 4-5 drafts that we can find another LB
I would rather have the pick, and davis....
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
This guy is way underrated
I think he’s worth a 3rd, and I want the Chargers to make a run at him. Cause having him back in SD would make for some funny night life.
LBs
We may be able to upgrade our LBs, but I don’t feel our current LBs got a fair look. The primary focus, which I believe the Chiefs’ brass is addressing, is the NT. If our NT is not getting his job done, our LBs don’t have a prayer. I actually kind of like our LBs, but wish we had an answer at NT.
With the 5th pick in the 2010 draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Eric Berry of Tennessee!
Agreed
I think our LBs will look better once a stud NT is thrown in the mix. I think Shaun Smith will help the situation quite a bit.
fair look
they were career backups that got to start the whole season
Shaun Smith
is not the definitive answer at NT.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
agreed, but maybe he buys us a year or 3
Who knows if maybe Crennel can get him playing like he was a few years back
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
we're not trying to "buy time" ... we're building a team for the future
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We are trying to buy one year of time
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
yep, can't build every position at the same time
Especially if there aren’t good choices in the draft of people who will start out of the blocks and have great rookie seasons…that’s a rare thing….so you draft a guy you want…if he’s there and insert an older FA to train the rook up. If he’s not there, you get a FA to buy time til you find the one you want.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
whaddya mean can't build every position at the same time?
Steve PROMISED me I could have 14 draft picks!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I feel faint ...
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What I am seeing is that if we want to upgrade the Center position we need that 3rd round pick
Pouncey is going 1st round.
The best of the rest is destined for that early 3rd round pick.
Unless we sign some aging vet the third is priceless in this draft
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I dont even know if the Chiefs are thinking of drafting Center
I havent heard one mentioned with their name.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 11, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Tennant and Walton would be in that 3rd round
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
They would
But we havnt heard a peep about the Chiefs looking at Centers. Im not so sure there looking at one.
by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 11, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
I like this argument against picking up Morrison.
Obviously, we could use to strengthen the inside of the line, and if the best of the C options find their way to this spot in the draft we probably should keep the pick.
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I'm pretty much playing devil's advocate.
You guys above just said always take the pick over the RFA. I disagree with that. This specific situation might warrant keeping the pick. That doesn’t mean that’s always true.
in MY mind it's true for any RFA 3rd or above ... 4th or 5th I don't care
and they can buy as many UFA’s as they want
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Yeah, we'll disagree on this.
Then, again, in a normal year Morrison would be a UFA; and this argument would all be academic.
if we were a little closer ... a few less holes to fill ... if we were already 8-8 or something ...
sure, I’d go for it
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I can understand that POV.
I carry that attitude more with Davis than Morrison, though. The 3 years of age difference makes it worth the draft pick for me, but I can understand the other way, too. I just don’t agree with it. :-)
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well, because we're both passionate and stubborn
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
it's not funny; he argues with everyone
and i gotta say it, that kinda sounded like a weak pick up line, hmmmm
so ... got plans later?
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Well
this is all I know, whoever we do for (a player from the rivals) we can’t let anybody know what’s going on because ya’ll know what happend with D.sproles!!
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by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
hmmmm....a 3rd for Morrison. Interesting.
if they’re asking for a 3rd then they should almost certainly take a 4th
This is a most interesting FA prospect
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 8:37 PM CST reply actions
The trouble of drafting a LB at 3 is you have to train him up...
he most likely will not be a starter and produce like Morrison is now and Morrison has a few more good years. A 3rd may develop or not. And if he does, who says he stays with the Chiefs for 10 years anyway. If what Scouts Inc. says about him is true, we wouldn’t get that kind of effective production from a 1st this year, let alone a 3rd.
I’m all for him becoming a Chief, if The Don agrees with me I’ll be surprised…pleasantly surprised.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 8:42 PM CST reply actions
even if it takes 3 yrs for a guy to mature ... get him at 22, he's 25 by then and all that experience is with OUR system
and that still leaves him 3 years YOUNGER than Morrison
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Plus the LB would be a 5th rounder not a 3rd
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather trade down and pick up Spoon *and* a 3rd ... and perhaps even a 2nd
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
hmm we should make a poll saying
would u rather have
A. Kirk Morrison
B. Andra Davis
C. Neither
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Cassel can lead us.
Do it
lets see and also throw in the fact we would be passing on a Center in this draft
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'd love Pouncey, doubt he'll fall to 2nd ... also love Anthony Davis ... OT or OG and the guy is a beast
was projected 2nd but seen mocks with him in 1st as well
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I agree with you
In a class this deep, that 3rd round pick is priceless. Last years draft I would say go for it, but in this years draft, NO WAY.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
yes
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Both
Dump Williams. Send Mays to Special teams
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I'd like to see what Williams would do with a decent NT in front of him
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
haha..ya
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Morrison has also...
played every game of the NFL season since he hit the league, except one, which i think was his first game as a rookie.
no games missed due to injury or dumb assitude.
Talk about a split poll.
253 votes:
127 for “I’ll take my chances with the draft pick!”
126 for “Absolutely!”
I would do it!!!
For a 3rd….easy!!
He has played every game of his 5yr career….that says a lot!
Never had under 116 tackles for a year.
Has 7 career INT’s an 19PD’s….very good production in pass coverage.
This dude is a beast!!! One of the best ILB in the league.
Still has probably 5-6 real good years left.
This is a guy you can build around…
If we sign him, I would officially retire my Ro’ McClain fan club and join Porkchops Eric Berry club.
So with that being said….I am starting a sign Kirk Morrison fan club!!
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by Matt_Grbac on Mar 11, 2010 8:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i personally think he is getting less credit than whats due...
This guy produces! Thats all he does. I do not see how he hasn’t left Oakland yet, i’d say 28 out of the 31 remaining teams would be upgrading by getting him.
Sounds like the guy would be an upgrade...for sure
But Pioli didn’t want to give up a third for Boldin so I doubt he’d give one up for Morrison.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 8:55 PM CST reply actions
So Everybody Why has he not been moved?
Maybe they know something we don’t?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
We wanted Ferguson? and then the league throws down an 8 game suspension
I don’t think that is it but something is preventing teams from signing off on this pick.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
maybe he just LOVES Big Al and wants to stay in Oakland ... that toddlin' town
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serious question ... Colin Brown ... footwork issues they say, but he's played a LITTLE at C over the years ...
think he’s any worse than Rudy? I mean … COULD he be?
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Its a project but hes still pretty raw so I see no reason
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
Is Too Tall Colin really too tall?
Maybe for a center. Isn’t he like 6’7"?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
most of them bend over to snap the ball
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You know what I mean.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Here's a list of centers
If you click their name it will show heigth and most of the top centers are around 6’3" and it looks like he would be the tallest in the league.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Rudy isn't LAST ... YAY
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I hear ya ... and he might very well be too tall for C
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Again...not necessarily
Don Mosebar was an All Pro C for the raiders for years and he was like 6’9"
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Ed "TOO Tall" Jones ... whoever heard of a TE with that height ... but he made it work
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Yep
I’m sure there are several exceptions. Maybe he could make it work.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
167-164 in votes ... love it
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LOL
so does that make it a “meh” vote?
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it makes a perfect movie script
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I want to vote, But where
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
wayyyyyyyyy up top. poll is always under the written stuff in a post, but above the action bar, above the first comments
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Awesome player
Loves the Raiders and dad is season ticket holder….amazing they would let this guy go for a 3rd. I would take him over spikes anyday.
I dont know about Center or NT
But i do know that the Chiefs will be drafting a Safety, Cornerback, and Tight End
Yes
At age 28, the answer has to be YES. A third round LB can be realistically hoped to be as good as Morrison eventually. At age 28, we can realistically expect him to perform at a high level for another 6 years. On the other hand, IF we draft a LB in the third round who turns out to be BETTER, we would probably give him up sooner than 6 years because of the pricing premium built into free agency. The only unknown (for me, anyway) is character. Would he be one of the “right 53?” I have no idea, but that would be the job of Pioli to find out. Does he drink or drug? Rough up women? Care more about himself than the team?
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The prob is the Center position
We want a Center and a BPA gets us nothing the way the draft is falling. We need to Grab a center with the 3rd round pick or forget about it
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
why not 2nd?
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Pouncey gone in 1st
Tennant and Walton can be had in third round.
Interesting thing Ducasse could be picked at 2a according to www.drafttek.com and also could be had at 2b. Why not take em when they are ripe for the picking
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'd go with Vlad
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
what do YOU think?
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yeah, that puzzled me ...
3rd I could have seen
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I think 2nd is the lowest tender
Aside from original round, which doesn’t apply since he wasn’t drafted.
Because Morrison was drafted in the third
So they used the original round tender
hmm, maybe you're right, but i didn't think that was how it worked
thought it was 3, 2, 1, 1&3 and original
i would think they would rather keep brown than rudy, but appearently not
plus haley said multiple times last year that he really liked rudy
Ok you guys get brandon spikes with your first pick of the 2nd round. Who do you take with the second pick? maybe a G?
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ive thought about an OLB but so far it isn't. now im down to your second pick
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
ok, who did we get in 1st?
then maybe we can figure out what hole to fill
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
yes berry.
I am thinking change the 1st pick (now that im thinking) to bowman and then your second pick to one of the following and leaning towards the first one Jon Asamoah, John Jerry
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
nah
Berry is fine …
well, Spikes is what … CB?
no, we need OLine at 2A … Maurkice Pouncey if he’s there, if not Anthony Davis …
if both are gone … ummmm … lemme know and I got another
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both are gone and Spikes would be ILB maybe could play CB
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no thanks
we NEED help on OLine … gimme a sec …
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Nate Allen or a SS FS type
what are you doing ?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
you are not going to get any better of a G with your first pick but could get saffold
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
ok ...
Asamoah OG
J.D. Walton C
Cam Thomas NT
in that order …
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
oh, ok ... Walton
1 Berry
2a Walton
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
and at 3
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Steve, we will NOT get him in 3rd and MAY not get him at 2B
and we NEED C
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
you've lost your mind
he’ll be gone and we’ll have another year of RUDY
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
1/17/10: An AP All-American first-teamer, J.D. Walton dominated in the trenches all season
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010C.php
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you guys discuss both picks in the 2nd ill come back after dinner right now and if they are available ill put them in.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
that is lower 3rd round
84 J.D. Walton
OG
Baylor -3
Reach
Other teams have needs and priorities too. Center is not a need on 32 teams
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who cares about REACH?
get the BEST for the positions of NEED
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In the end, if you want a guy bad enough and you don’t think he’s going to last, “reach” away.
look, we got Berry in 1st ... that helps Secondary, fine and good
but we HAVE to make something good happen on OLine … Walton is true C
I could live with Asoahaug whoever at G
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
true, but ... C is a bigger hole for us
that said … I’ll defer to Steve … if he wants Asoaguahgahman
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
yes he is
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
make it so, Mr Data ...
then we can figure out {get ready for it}} who is 2B … or not 2B
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
you got berry 1st
you got two picks
2a. asamoah
2b. walton
OR
2a Walton
2b someone?
all are still on the board at your second pick and if we are changing your first we need both picks
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Walton is true Center
get him first
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Walton
we need a Center
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
unless my boy Spoon is there ... which I doubt
or Kyle WIlson or McCourtney
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
you know what Richard Daly used to say in Chicago
vote early and vote often
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
lol
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only cuz you have a sick twisted mind
that’s why we luvya
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She plays in the band for Maize and they’re at Emporia for the state BB tournament so who knows how late it will be?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
for who?
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not true! I traded a 2nd for Steve
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Stop!
“arguably the biggest position of need still has yet to be addressed: linebacker.” BULL! The basic premise of your argument is dead wrong. Of all the needs we have , Linebacker is a lower priority than most. In fact, I cannot think of a lower priority. We have some stability and competence there. Greatness? Jezz, Even the frickin 70’s Steelers had deficiencies. Let’s build a Team.
wow!
I’m shocked that all we do is complain the we NEED a lb and there is a very good starter available, from a rival none the less, and we won’t give up our 3rd rounder for him? Oakland might take a 4th too. We would get 3 starters with pick 1, 2a and 2b then a bonafide lb with the trade. 4 new starters. I’d do it in a heartbeat. I understand wanting center Walton with 3rd rounder but I think we could find one another way if needed.
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Pffft....ya right
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
walton may be our pick at 2b
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:16 PM CST reply actions
The Raiders will likely match. They probably don’t want to set the market for Morrison, but if someone else does, they’ll match.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
What is AngelColt doing?
a mock draft?
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I think so
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
We got Berry
and he wants our 2a and 2b picks?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
yes ... see below
do
you
want
Rudy
back
?
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
just remember...you want versatility wherever you pick
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
yes
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care about reaching when the need is as great as it is ... esp for Center ...
yes, mock draft … our rep in someone else’s mock
now … think for ONE minute: do you want Rudy back?
what is THE single biggest hole on OLine?
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I was discussing things with the wife I have no idea what was up with that train of thought :)
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B Rich gonna play RG when he comes back?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Not as a starter
I think we can get Walton in the 3rd and get two better players in the 2nd
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
ok, but remember thre's a GOOD chance he;'s GONE by 3rd
willing to take that chance?
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I was in this same discussion over at Pride of Detroit, since I do Lions pick in our mock
the balance between BPA and NEED … we got Berry for the defense, filled a need and got (Larry’s) BPA
so now 2nd … still NEED that C … badly … why wait and risk Walton being gone?
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2a or 2b
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think this goes back to our earlier discussion.
You said earlier that you wouldn’t pick up Morrison because we aren’t that close to a SB. I feel the same way when you talk about drafting for NEED over BPA. I would lean towards BPA or stockpiling picks because we were a 4 win team last year.
but if BPA doesn't address a NEED then how does it help?
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Take the Spikes if he is available
otherwise best Tackle left
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
oh hell no
Brandon Spikes did all of the drills at the Combine, but decided to skip the 40. There’s probably a good reason why. His range remains a concern.
Brandon Spikes made a huge mistake by returning to school for his senior year
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ILB and then FS nate Allen
Walton in early 3rd is all douable.
You could grab Cody which would help us immensely
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I could go Cody ... if available
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
realize only one of the top OLB's have been taken which im actually surpised about
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Graham?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
sorry i ment two
yes graham but i have him as DE/OLB and didn’t count him. others taken are Kindle and weatherspoon
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
is Cody available at 2a?
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Cody at 2A?
I say yeah …
Steve? ept? blue?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
see, I plan on doing a whole post and poll for the round 2 for the Lions pick
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This is just a drill…….
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haha nice we are just preparing you
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
oh and im doing like 4 mocks with other teams this week it is crazy
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fun and cool
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
also last weigh in he was at 349
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
now I got to change the raiders pick maybe ill go give them OT although it will be a little bit of a reach but only like half a round reach
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
go to bottom ... one last straw poll
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but fun!
y’all good with Cody at 2a?
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Go for Walton at 2b
the Value to the Chiefs is their without the aggravation.
But ….. we could have done better
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
id do walton 2b and think it is better value than 2a
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
3rd round is better
and we could have got a safety at 2b
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already got Berry at #5
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
that works!
how many teams you doing??? or is this a whole mock for all teams or what
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Lions 1st was interesting ... Suh predictably
but when asked for a backup plan, if Suh was gone … even split: Berry and Okung
original poll had Suh 75% Berry 10% Okung 10% everyone else pffft
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Okung ONLY if Suh is gone
or they will kill you with marshmallows
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nevermind I have them passing on Suh
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Could McCoy project as a 3-4 DE?
Would he be better than Dorsey at DE?
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im not really sure
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You would think his size and quickness ....
could project to that position, as well. I guess you’d have to try him in that position to know for sure, but he’s supposed to be a polished pass rusher, not that his stats really show it.
Seems like he would be able to do
more than any of our current DEs could do. Just don’t hear anyone talk about him at 3-4 DE
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then second poll, only options Okung and Berry
dead even
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that's ONLY if Suh is gone
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Unless you’re going for a slot and no one else on your team would make a good slot
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think NEED is the tie-breaker.
There is virtually no position on the team that is so good right now that it couldn’t be upgraded. If you have multiple players graded about the same, then obviously NEED elevates a player above the others. I’m not saying to ignore either criteria, but I personally would weight the criteria in the other order.
I prefer to place the picks in proper perspective
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We could pic Bey-haywood
at 1st
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, great WR, fills a need
what are we, the Raiders?
we NEED Center
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Then, IMO, ....
we should go get one in FA. I don’t want to hope we pick right if it’s that strong a need.
2nd best C in the draft by every account isn't good enough for you?
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily.
It’s still about projection, as I said before in our hypothetical 3rd rounder discussion. If I could pick up a proven vet that is an upgrade over our current situation, which you’ve said shouldn’t take much, then I’d rather go that direction rather than reach on my board.
Granted, Pioli and his team may have him rated at 2a. If so, then this argument is academic anyway.
not saying we need a WR more than C
see my fanshot on the subject (it wasn’t that great, but I at least acknowledged our need for OL)
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
if Rudy wasn't so horrible I might agree
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:35 PM CST reply actions
After Pouncey Probably I respect Stags opinion
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
He's a good player
and in just about any other year I’d say do it, but in this draft our 3rd round pick is equivelant to a mid-2nd round pick in most drafts. That’s hard to give up for a guy who probably has no more than 3-4 productive years left.
Predictions:
This year will be better
many people are saying Walton is the best C in the draft this year
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
If that's Pioli's opinion
then I have no problem taking him. I’d lean towards Pouncy, but that’s soley based on what other people have said.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I agree, but just saying that's what pundits are saying...not always reliable
Walton’s a good choice in my opinion at C, but I don’t think he’s as versatile as he says he is (to play G too if we needed him there).
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
No thanks I will get TE/Eric Olsen from Chicago with my 3rd.
I think Morrison is amazing and would love him on our team..however not for our 3rd pic.
The reason is we can try for Larry Foote, Andra Davis,Antonio Pierce,Joey Porter etc who are almost his equal without giving anything up. If we get Foote he is my first choice then you can use the 3rd rd pick to give Cassel another proven weapon on offense which takes some of the pressure off the WR’s we have. He is a top 8 TE in Football and would be a welcome addition to this team. Not impressed with the TE in this draft class and the LB class is fairly deep.
Also
I got excited about hearing of Shaun Smiths signing but when Gerard Warren was released today I decided to compare their numbers.
In the 6 years he has been in the league he has started over 10 games just once. 2 career sacks! So check out his stats before getting too excited about him. My thought is to sign Gerard Warren as a player to compete with (insurance if you will), because mark my words Smith will not make it the whole season. Warren is only 31 has 32 sacks in 10 seasons and has only missed 8 games. 1st link is Smiths stats …2nd link is Warrens stats.
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NT's aren't meant to be sack machines
they are meant to take up OL bodies so that the LB’s can get to the QB
That being said, if you can find a NT that has the ability to sack, then great!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
ya I can't see drafting a TE that high
But maybe Pioli will
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
he let Ryan walk, who knows
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ya that's what I'm saying...
I’m sure he will draft one, but where?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
if he does, it will be in the draft
I mean … dunno
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Why are you not impressed with the TEs in this draft?
Next to DT and OL, that is the position that has been talked about as a position of depth in this draft. You’re telling me that the scouts are wrong on all of them? Why?
didn't say that...I guess I'm just not a TE guy
I know they serve an important purpose, but I’m a OL myself so I really don’t care about TE’s. I view them as a necessary evil.
Frankly, I think having TG here so long made everyone think…receivers? we don’t need no stinking receivers! We have TG…he’ll catch anything. So IMHO I think TG held the team back in some ways. (Don’t get me wrong! TG is absolutely, hands down, the best ever TE in the game.)
Now we have to have good receivers because we realize with TG gone that our receivers pretty much sucked the last few years he was here. It just wasn’t noticeable since he was here.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
I was really asking Matt_Stone to explain ....
why he isn’t impressed with the TEs in this draft, but I think your point is valid. However, since TG, the Sharpes, and Gates the TE is being seen as a bigger part of the modern passing offense. It provides a valuable outlet in the west coast, and there are few good cover ILBs and SS. They’ve become big WR in a lot of cases rather than the blocker that wasn’t talented enough to be an OL.
I think you’re right about the way the Chiefs’ management became complacent with TG in the fold. Now, we’re paying for it because we have no depth at WR.
ya exactly...let's blame it on the old GM...whatever his name was...he sucked anyway!
lol…no seriously…I think you’re right on. Mgmt did become complacent with TG. Also you are right about the WC off using the taller, thinner TE’s as an outlet, and generally they have a rough time blocking,
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure they're even asked to all that much.
I don’t think they ever wasted time asking Kellen Winslow or Jeremy Shockey to even chip somebody.
What about
Aaron Hernandez from Florida? He is essentially a WR playing TE, hands of freakin gold tho, just like TG. Needs some more size, but they kid is fearless!
Thomas Jones and the Lombardi, DO IT!
Cody at 2A?
good with me …
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I like Cody and 2a is very good range to pick him if he is moving up again
Romeo and Pleasant will have a very malleable student and I think he will be OUR Wilfork of the future.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Would you say that Cody...
would be equal to a Sam Adams or Ted Washington in their prime?
If so…what draft pick would you give for SA or TW if they were available today in their youth.
I would say that Sam Adams is damn fine beer
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I'm not sure really...With a guy like Crennel to train him up...anything's possible
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
and Crennel probably knows his beers, too
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I have to do the Damn pats again since they have 3 picks this round :(
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 10:59 PM CST reply actions
I like doing one team for a draft ... wish ours was longer than 2 rounds
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Im only doing one team for the drafts im participating in but this one here is my own im doing that is a mock of all the teams not a live thing
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
just saying ... Lions fans CRAVE Suh
period
overwhelmingly
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Oh I know but with them Keeping Bacus (however it is spelled) I think they could pass him up.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Cody will be a bust.
Pioli, please don’t waste any picks on Terrance Cody. Let the Raiders get him so we can laugh at another bad choice.
why you think he'll bust?
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depends on if you have need in both spots or not
Clearly T Jax is the better athlete
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe better athlete, but who impacts or helps the defense more?
by vincent2668 on Mar 11, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
He is a Fata$$
Last year I liked him..this year he has gone south on my radar. I would rather have Cam Thomas with 2B,or Linval Joseph or Torrel Troup in the 4th. I have read much more negative than positive on him.
Not sure why everyone is so excited about him unless they are just ignorant of his abilities or lack there of.
Let's trade Dorsey for a 3rd
Sign Morrison – Draft McCoy (and Make a DE) – Draft Cody (or your choice of DT at 2a) – Draft OL at 2b
Wow, you guys are off the chain.
Like, seriously.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
How you guys can argue the same points over and over
Shit’s exhausting.
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not arguing...Angels is doing a mock draft and we're helping him
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, you know what I mean
Aint mad, anyway. Just sayin.
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by ArrowSpread on Mar 11, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
well your welcome to not be involved :)
I take it your not a draft guy?
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm aware of my liberties
I enjoy some of the ones that cover all the bases, e.g. LarryMacdaniel’s, seeing as I don’t watch too much college football.
But it’s gotten a bit saturated — for me, at least. But I do stay out of those threads for the most part.
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by ArrowSpread on Mar 11, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
you have the right to remain silent ...
… should you choose to give up that right, anything you say can and will be used against you in another thread
you have a right to a GM, if you cannot afford a GM, one will be appointed for you …
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by ArrowSpread on Mar 11, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
this, kids, is why AP rocks
400 intelligent comments – some of them even about football – {{drying tears of joy}} – I love you people!
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not against trading a 3rd round pick for Morrison
He’s much better than most of our LB’s. He’s in his prime. And I tend to agree with the idea that there’s a lot less risk involved with Kirk than with your third round pick. I just don’t think Pioli/Haley will trade a third rounder. And I’m fine with that. I like the fact that we build through the draft 99% of the time. Either way, I would be happy.
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and the way my mind is tonight, my thought was ...
And I tend to agree with the idea that there’s a lot less risk involved with Kirk than with your third round pick.
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What would you rather have?
What would you rather have?
Kirk Morrison or LB/Andra Davis and TE/ Eric Olsen
Kirk Morrison or ILB/Larry Foote and Eric Olsen
Pretty easy when put this way. I will take good 2 players over just one great.
So my point is give Chicago our 3rd rd pick and give me a top 5 TE for Cassel to throw to and a potential Pro-Bowl LB.
You would take 2 good over one great?
I would rather have DT instead of 2 good players.
by vincent2668 on Mar 11, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
The guy's name is Greg Olsen, not Eric.
I think you’re statement depends on the team’s situation. Since KC has a lot of holes, I would rather take 2 good players. If we went 8-8 last year but really need to fill a hole this year to take the next step, then I say take the great player.
Sorry..It is Greg Olsen,,was confusing with center from Notre Dame(which I also like)
I think Greg is a really good TE and it would take pressure off our WR’s.
Cassel needs good targets and not many TE in this draft worth a damn.
Cassel needs PROTECTION and TIME
ie … OLine
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... and a better arm
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 PM CST reply actions
dang it...it just keeps climbing!!!!!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
ok enough lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
for real ... Lions place we'd have had MAYBE 50 or so ... and 100 votes
over here we’re … well … insane works {{so does passionate but I don’t want gifted to think I’m trying to pick him up … again}}
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
good thing, too
Steve was getting jealous
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Alright almost done with my mock then ill let yall see the full thing
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:26 PM CST reply actions
way cool and TY!
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Geez, I wish someone would write a good post so we could get out of this one
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:29 PM CST reply actions
I did ... on Spoon
go rec it {{grin}}
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
and ept is right ... NT makes a HUGE difference in a 3-4
which is why we need one so badly … and Center, of course
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I'm dyslexic
so is my pet … thinks she’s “Dog”
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You know what an insomniac, dyslexic, atheist does, right?
He stays up all night contemplating if there really is a dog.
ept shme-tp
ept is the pregnancy test…lay off my friend etp guys.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 12, 2010 2:05 AM CST up reply actions
ewe iz kerrekt
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so, back to thread ... is Morrison worth a 3rd round pick?
or, to put it another way …
did you walk to school or bring your lunch?
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Yes
the post fails to mention that Morrison is a natural OLB (4-3 OLB’s project to 3-4 ILB well) and he still produced well despite playing out of position.. If a 3-4 team nabs him, they’ll be happy they did
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if they go for him, then they'd darn well best get C in 2nd round ... and not wait til 4th
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If we can't get Larry Foote,Andra Davis,Joey Porter or Antonio Pierce then...
What would you rather have?
Kirk Morrison or LB/Andra Davis and TE/ Greg Olsen
Kirk Morrison or ILB/Larry Foote and TE/Greg Olsen
Pretty easy when put this way. I will take good 2 players over just one great.
So my point is give Chicago our 3rd rd pick and give me a top 5 TE for Cassel to throw to and a potential Pro-Bowl LB.
Why the hell would Chicago give up Olsen for a third
they’d be better off keeping whether he fits or not, that’s an insane rip off, not to mention the fact that we already have TE’s on our roster that can NOT be used in Haley’s offense. Haley does not use TE’s other than to block. we got those
Furthermore, we could draft that USC TE in the fourth and he’s younger. Who says we can’t sign Davis or Foote if we do sign Morrison?
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Because that is the tender on him. 3rd rd tender for TE/Greg Olsen
So that is all it will take to get him…doesn’t fit Martz offense. That is why they signed the SD TE..blocking TE.
I am saying your wasting a 3rd rd pick on Morrison when it can be used on another target for Cassel…Weis is the coordinator last I checked and I believe NE used TE’s when he was there. You can also get 2 of the 5 great LB’s in Free Agency out there without giving up compensation…hence 2 for 1 deal.
I want a proven young TE
McCoy is fine but not what I want to use with my 4th rd pick. We need starters and McCoy won’t be.
60 catches 600+ yards is perfect for us,
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You can always trade for Sean Ryan back if you like.
Aright the full thing is finally done it took way longer than I was planning but that happens when you have 8 threads open :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 PM CST reply actions
ok more like 12 if you include my draft boards and such lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Hope your wrong about Chiefs picks!
McCoy won’t fall that far. Didn’t see a OT in Chiefs picks. Cody will last till almost 3rd rd and he isn’t any good. If Berry is our 1st pick give us OT/Tony Washington with 2b…2A C/Pauncey
First off Pouncey is a first round pick and I didn't give you an OT anyway
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 11, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
my Lions friends would kill ya just for Tate in 2nd ... they just signed Nate Burleson
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Yeah..realized you gave him to Dallas after the fact
Since that is our biggest need then I would have an OT within 1st 3 picks. Cam Thomas at 2A and OT/Tony Washington at 2B
and no way Pioli takes OT with 2 of our first 3 picks
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got it … still … only OT we go after is Okung, if not then no OT for us
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Matt ... Cody will NOT fall to almost 3rd
and why OT in 2nd for us? if it’s THAT big a need, get Okung … Pouncey won’t last til 2nd either so that’s why Walton in late 2nd round
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Cody will fall to almost 3rd...he sucks!
I agree get Okung too…not my draft. just commenting on his. Pauncey may fall to 2A…if not then get Eric Olsen in 3rd or 4th.
I thought what you did before but with him losing wait and not gaining again right now I think he could go higher
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
The only thing that keeps him out of 3rd...
Is all of the teams going to 3-4 Defense and wanting big NT’s. He will be a bust! He could barely handle college competition last year.
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I've got to ask, .....
you do realize that as long as Al Davis is alive there is no way he’s taking two OT with his first two picke, right?
Shit after I changed it from DT I didn't realize I did that I also did it with mine which I just changed. Damn ill have to do the whole second round over probably im going to take it down right now I guess
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
hopefully I wont have to change everything
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
I hope you don't, either.
You did a heckuva lot of work. Good job on it. I just thought that looked kind of strange, so I’m glad it was an oversight. Thanks for the questions, too. I hope we made it easier for you.
looks like I just need to change a few but now I think the bills pick is a reach but itll be ok
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
all the time taken made it take longer but if it is better then thats what matters
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Also if anything the worse picks are mine but didn't feel like changing the whole scope of the Second round.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 12:05 AM CST reply actions
Just changed my pick though i made a mistake
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no worries ... good job!
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Saddly im dissatisfied with my own team picks oh well. I really hope we don't take DE in the 1st I think it is a mistake
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 12, 2010 12:25 AM CST reply actions
I think Morrison is still a good player
but I hate the idea of sending the Raiders a draft pick
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Seems like giving money to a drug addict, doesn't it?
You hate to give away something that could be used for good to somebody that you know will waste it.
why go for morrison with a 3rd
when andre davis is free? unless there is some massive disparity in their ability that i’m unaware of. you can also draft mcclain or spikes and see if he wins the starting spot
Wow this is a lot of comments
Morrison’s a solid player. But not an elite one.
More importantly, it makes no sense to sign RFA’s when you’re drafting at the top of every round. That’s why you don’t see it happen.
If you’re the Saints, picking 32nd, sure, maybe Morrison is worth your pick in the 3rd. But in a draft as deep as this one, our 3rd round pick is gold. Like a mid 2nd most years.
No way should we do this.
I dunno
say we were able to trade DJ for a 3rd. Or, trade down in the draft, and although it was only a few spots, we picked up an additional 3rd instead of a 2nd. Would you trade one of those 3rds (even if it were only 2), for Morrison? I would. Keep the 3a, use the 3b.
Thomas Jones and the Lombardi, DO IT!
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