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Uncertainty is Certain Leading Up to the NFL Draft

We're already beginning to see the pieces fall a bit differently. Everyone makes their projections as early as January (or even sooner for those pundits just looking to stir the pot), but yet the NFL draft hardly goes according to anyone's plan so early in the offseason. Some, like Mike Mayock, seem to have a firmer hold on things than others, but really it's such a shot in the dark at the stages before the Combine that's mostly conjecture and hopping on popular opinion.

Now that we're starting to see some Pro Days in the rearview mirror, we're starting to get a more accurate assessment of what might happen come draft day. It's interesting, then, that some of the guys mentioned as possible picks for the Chiefs at the No. 5 spot in the draft are now being labeled as much lower. For example, some thought ILB Rolando McClain was a possible pick along the likes of Eric Berry. But it's been no contest for the last two weeks in terms of predictions and "buzz," as McClain is now finding himself predicted in the middle of the first round and the value of inside linebacker truly evening out. This is a league won along the lines, and it seems predictions are finally noticing that.

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The same can be said for Dez Bryant. In an interview with National Football Post's Wes Bunting, he mentioned that Bryant doesn't compare to last year's perceived top WR Michael Crabtree (contrary to who the Raiders drafted), and yet Crabtree wasn't snatched until No. 10. Thus, it's not as surprising now to see Bryant largely taken in mock drafts by the Broncos at No. 11, and even lower if they somehow hold on to Brandon Marshall this off-season.

Anthony Davis was considered a possible offensive lineman capable of being snatched by the Chiefs based on his measureables and predicted upside. Instead, he's falling as fast as anyone in this year's first round with his recent refusal to weigh in, showing up late and looking sloppy overall.

Meanwhile, players like Tennessee defensive tackle Dan Williams, Alabama nose tackle Terrence Cody, OT Charles Brown and others find themselves predicted a lot higher than even a few weeks ago. The reason is that it's clear that teams must take advantage of the deep talent along the lines in this year's draft and find ways to control the line of scrimmage on either side. In my estimation, it wouldn't surprise me to see 7 linemen -- offensive and defensive -- taken in the top 10 of this year's draft.

It's just impossible to tell for certain what will happen, so we might as well relax and be okay with the changing tides. Then again, that's half the fun this time of year is arguing over the various scenarios.

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This always drives me crazy.

The draft should be a week after the BCS Championship game. People can move up and down several rounds based on essentially nothing. Someone is projected to be a first round pick drops to the 3rd and visa versa because of how they did in an obstable course or the “buzz” or “anitibuzz” surrounding them. I think the good GM’s ignore all this Tomfoolery and watch the gametape.

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by craig in calgary on Mar 11, 2010 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

I agree.. draft is way too late..

Should be early April or late March.. but I guess they don’t want to go up against the NCAA Tourney or MLB opening day but who cares, they’re the NFL – the most popular sport in the US

by golfbard on Mar 11, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Early April would work.

~May is about the NBA playoffs.
~June is about the NBA playoffs, and the NBA Draft.
~July is about baseball.
~August is all about football.
~Septemeber is about football also.
~October is about the MLB playoffs, and football.
~November is about more football.
~December is all about the Bowl games, and NFL.
~January is all about the BCS Games, and NFL playoffs.
~February is all about Super Bowl; than ending of college basketball regular season.
~March is all about college basketball.
~April is all about the NFL Draft. The NFL should have dibs over the MLB since they are more popular.

by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 11, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

~May is about the NBA playoffs.
~June is about the NBA playoffs, and the NBA Draft.
~July is about baseball.
~August is all about football.
~Septemeber is about football also.
~October is about the MLB playoffs, and football.
~November is about more football.
~December is all about the Bowl games, and NFL.
~January is all about the BCS Games, and NFL playoffs.
~February is all about Super Bowl; than ending of college basketball regular season.
~March is all about college basketball.
~April is all about the NFL Draft. The NFL should have dibs over the MLB since they are more popular.

You sometimes learn something everyday.

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-- Madden

by kabrink on Mar 11, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I don't think there's nearly as much movement in the NFL draft boards

as there is in the Mocking community. A lot of that is the simple fact that we don’t have access to the inside info on the players’ work habits, history, etc…whereas NFL teams have regional scouts to dig up this info throughout the year.

Anthony Davis, for example, rocketed up the mock boards, but does anyone really think the same was the case with NFL clubs? I don’t.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 11, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Davis:

hates the weight room, is late for team meetings, was weak in his combine bench press, and there isn’t one tape that shows him playing like a 1st round talent.

by tenacious rdc on Mar 11, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Let me save about 100 different APers some time and speak on their behalf.

Eric Freaking Berry

That is all.

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by KCporkchop on Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Let me save about 100 APers some time and speak on their behalf

Even Mayock doens’t have berry listed as his #1 safety.
We need the ‘other’ safety position more than we need Berry’s.
This is quite possibly the deepest draft at the safety position in the last 15 years. There is going to be good to great talent at safety gogin all the way into the bottom of the second round, possibly the top of the 3rd.
We don’t yet have our answer at NT (Former Cleveland player is nothing more than a 1-2 year stop gap while we “bring up” someone else).
Our run defense in the middle despritely needs an ILB run stuffer/pass rusher for teh 3-4, and there just aren’t that many of them in the draft. (not an arugment for McClain, just an ILB)
Hali needs help on the other side to rush trhe passer.
The Center and RG and RT positions on our line need serious upgrades.
The LG position needs a developmental guy that can take over for Waters in 2011.
A top talent at WR to develop behind our current hodgepodge of ageing veterans + Bowe certainly wouldn’t hurt.

There are a LOT of things that are more important than a SS for teh Chiefs. I’m not saying that I would cry if we drafted Berry at #5, but i would be disappointed. If you trust Mayock then he’s the #2 safety in the draft, and if you don’t trust mayock then Berry is still only ‘slightly’ better than 2 or 3 other guys at safety.

Everyone wants Troy Polumau or Ed Reed on their team, but by my estimation Berry is no more likely to become that player than 3 other guys in the draft at safety. Stopping the run is the bigger priority, and currently we just can’t do it.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike and You

Need to go take a hike… you have never seen him play. He’s unreal and I promise you that this guy will be a Pro Bowler within 3 years.

Man crush on Eric Berry.

by SwimCoach on Mar 11, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

He's a SS. We need a FS.

And he’s barley better than the next guy behind him.
And YES i have seen him play.
He’s not unreal, he’s just very very good. But he’s not #5 in teh draft good IMO.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Mar 11, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually we need a SS and a FS,

Just incase you failed to remember who we had on the team last year, but we had a “decent” special teamer starting at safety and at the other we had a safety well past his prime that was taking wrong angles on every play and slower than snail shit

by readANDgold58 on Mar 11, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget about Page though.

Our “starter” from the the year before spent the year on IR. He’s at least an improvement if nothing else.

by Archyrr on Mar 11, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Page could play either safety position.

Don’t forget that Edwards drafted Pollard, and Page because they both could hit hard. M ain difference was that Jarrad Page could play coverage better than Bernard Pollard.

by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 11, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm Page was out with injury. He's the starter.

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by Texas Chief on Mar 11, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm 100% confident that Berry could play either safety spot

And I also believe he’d be pretty good as a corner, although not necessarily so good that it would warrant taking him out of the safety spots.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 11, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I respect Mayock, but ranking Earl Thomas above Berry is crazy.

I’ve said numerous times before that if there was a NT worthy of the #5 pick I would be all over it. I don’t think we need to spend the pick on a T when its the interior line that needs improved. I don’t like the work ethic of Dez Bryant. That just leaves Berry and McClain and I think Berry will be more of a special player then McClain. Not to mention, I feel better about the ILBs we have on the roster then I do the Ss.

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by KCporkchop on Mar 11, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Mayock states that Thomas is the most instinctive safety he's seen in years

Yet he’s not the most well rounded. Berry can do it all. The one thing that Berry is much better at is run support. Coming up and making a sure tackle on the ballcarrier before they get some serious yards. We need that considering how awful our run defense was. I feel like Thomas might be the better FS right now but Berry is the best SS.

Chiefs draft wishlist:
Berry, then a combo of BPA and NEED
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs

by King of the Cassel on Mar 11, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

+14

Man crush on Eric Berry.

by SwimCoach on Mar 11, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

McClain might have run himself right back into the top 10 if he indeed ran a 4.6 yeresterday, crohn’s disease or not.

by dablueguy on Mar 11, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

I'm really not sure

quite often he tackled high, didn’t attack the ball carrier, top 10 was always a possibility but I think he would have dropped.

by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 11, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Time will tell

I disagree with craig. As time goes on and these young men are forced into the professional culture that is the NFL, we find the ones who can get the job done. In high school their mommies and daddies held their hands and when they got to college the ones who could not adapt fell to the side. In college the ones who adapted rose and the ones who struggled, but had talent, had their hands held by assistant coaches. Just as the former HS star had to listen to the college dorm alarm clock instead of mommie, the former college player must now learn to be a professional. Showing up late, looking unprofessional, pounding down the cheeseburgers all point to a player that is going to be back with mommie really soon. I think that the time learning to be a professional that passes after the BCS games are the next filter and are one more straw placed on these mens backs. The men who have learned, regardless of thier college, are the ones that will have long pro careers.

by Kccoachmike on Mar 11, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

One of the reasons why Pioli likes smart players

Not only do they learn fast, but they also live well, have good character, are well disciplined and take the proper path to maturity in the NFL.

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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I've thought about opening up a poll

That would ask whether people want KC to trade up, trade down, or stick, and have the comments open to say whom people would want once their chosen poll option occurred.

In my case, I’m really optimistic about the way the #5 could go, and I could really see someone like Berry or Okung as the pick there. McClain has an outside shot at that point, but the persistent hamstring and Chrone’s disease issues could drop him a little even in my book. But I’d be very happy if KC were to stand pat at #5 and take on of those guys, or perhaps even Suh, McCoy, or maybe Bryant (less likely).

I’d also be happy to see KC trade down, depending on their objective. Picking up Earl Thomas, the next offensive lineman, or maybe Haden or Dan Williams could make sense in the 8-15 range, and it would be fantastic to pick up a future 1st and or 2010 2nd.

I guess the only really bad options to me would be drafting one of the top QBs in the top five or trading up for someone other than Okung.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

Meh, sometimes it's not worth it.

And the last thing AP needs is more duplicate threads, even if one includes a poll.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 11, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

more picks

The Chiefs still aren’t in a position to choose quality at the sacrifice of quantity. Let’s get as much talent as possible in here because this thing is still leaking like a civ.

by ChiefsDude on Mar 11, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

As much as i want Eric Berry

If we can trade back to the middle of the 1st and get Earl Thomas, and add more picks, im game! Im even down to swap with Cle and acquire Shaun Rogers and their 3rd, and still select Eric Berry

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 11, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

ehhh I don't agree.

We can’t rebuild this team with one draft, Especially without elite free agent signings. I do think Pioli will try like hell to trade out of the #5 pick, though.

by tenacious rdc on Mar 11, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll answer that for you....

The vast majority will choose to trade down…..
……however all but a very few will propose some insane trade down senario where KC end up with way way mor value for the #5 pick than its worth.
…….some people will justify the MASSIVE number of picks KC gets in a trade by tossing Dorsey, DJ, Croyle…or some other guy into the trade down senario.
……..if you posted their trade down plans on the boards of the teams they propose trading down too; Those team’s fans will all reply that it’s a stupid deal they would never do.

No need for a poll.
By next month all the “trade down” and “pick up X picks” from “X team” and use them to get “X players” posts will begin. And most of those posts will be way too over zealous in their assumptions of what our current players and picks are worth.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Mar 11, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

The vast majority will choose to trade down…..
……however all but a very few will propose some insane trade down senario where KC end up with way way mor value for the #5 pick than its worth.
…….some people will justify the MASSIVE number of picks KC gets in a trade by tossing Dorsey, DJ, Croyle…or some other guy into the trade down senario.
……..if you posted their trade down plans on the boards of the teams they propose trading down too; Those team’s fans will all reply that it’s a stupid deal they would never do.

I had the same feeling. Most seem to overvalue Dorsey, DJ, and Croyle and want to throw them into trades, and then they also seem to overvalue the return picks. Not all do this, but most do. That’s why I think it makes sense to go by the value chart. It’s not perfect, because teams can and usually do deviate a little on it, depending on the situation, but it’s much closer than the pie-in-the-sky trades of Dorsey for a first-round pick.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 11, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

McClain...

will fall to us at 2a and we will snag him. I’ll take all bets right now. And after St. Louis takes Bradford, Detroit takes Okung, and Seattle trades up to take Claussen it will become apparent that Suh will be in red and gold come August.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

if Suh fell to us,

that would be awesome. Crennel does like his 3-4, but he’s run a 4-3 before… and we would have a monster 4-3 at arrowhead with this bunch and Suh.

by tenacious rdc on Mar 11, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

a 4-3 with

Suh and Dorsey in the middle would be unstoppable!

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 11, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

If the Chiefs take another freaking defensive lineman with a top 5 overall pick.

That’ll be the end of it. I’ll storm Arrowhead with a torch and pitchfork. Anyone that feels the same is welcome to come with me.

(Obviously I’m joking, and Suh would be a hard talent to pass up… but c’mon)

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 11, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

You're on

I accept your bet offer. Stakes?

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 11, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Seattle is not trading up to anybody for any player.

Even with Hasselback’s injury history, Warner retiring means that Seattle still has the best QB in their division. They pick at #6 and then again at #14 (have to verify its 14).

They’ve got 2 picks int top round. They could easily walk away with an outside pass rusher they need BADLY and an OT. Or they could end up with a QB and LT. Or they could get a Pass rush and a QB. OR they could take safety and QB etc etc.

They have a HUGE amount of versitility available to them with their current picks. If YOU were the GM of the Seahawks, would you trade away 2 first rounders or even a 1st adn a second to move up 1 or 3 spots int he draft? Do YOU have confidence that that ONE pick of a QB would be more valuable than what youo could add to your team just using the picks you already have?

Seattle is not trading up to get a QB. Even if Bradford and Claussen are off the board at #6 McCoy would still be there. They have NO reason to trade up to KC, becasue we aren’t taking a QB. IF someone tried to hop over them to trade with the Chiefs they would have to offer more than Seattle was willing to offer or we wouldn’t take the deal. — So if seattle is trading up it would be with Washington or Detroit… it’ll cost them both #1’s. They aren’t making that deal, and if YOU were the GM you wouldnt make that deal either.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Mar 11, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to disagree with you here

If I’m the Seattle GM and I really like the QB that’s still available at #5, and I think a team like Cleveland or Buffalo also want the guy, I would definitely be willing to swap picks and throw in a 3rd rounder to ensure I get the guy. A franchise QB is much more valuable than a franchise LT or DE…

From KC’s perspective I’d obviously do the deal. You get extra compensation for moving back one slot & you still get whoever you wanted at #5.
 
But it’s not a scenario you can expect. Bradford & Claussen are so different, Seattle would probably like one or the other, but not both…so it all depends on how the first four picks play out. Personally I think a trade down is more likely if Bradford is still on the board, because he’s a better fit for the West-Coast Offense that Cleveland will probably go to.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

If you were afraid that someone else was trying to hop you...

…..you’d have to offer a hell of a lot more than a 3rd for teh swap out.
You can be sure that is someone is trying to hop oer Seattle they are going to offer a deal that makes it difficult for Seattle to simply toss in a 3rd and take over teh spot.

You don’t think Pioli is going to pick up the phone and call Cleveland or San Fran etc when Seattle calls offering a 3rd and say: Hey, Seattle is offering a very modest trade to us to jump up to the 5th and take their guy….. How badly do you want to beat their deal?

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Mar 11, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That's all true

And I see the point, if Seattle saw Pioli willing to accept a swap & their 3rd rounder they’d smell the bluff pretty easily. But I don’t think it would take both of Seattle’s 1st rounders either.

My point is that if Seattle is in love with whichever QB is still on the board (assuming either one is), then they would certainly be willing to make a deal to move up….if they suspect another team is trying to do the same. But who knows…if that’s the case they may just deal with Washington.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 11, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Washington would probably be unwilling to trade though.

They’re almost guaranteed to go after a LT, and we’re likely to take one. It gets mucked up even more if Okung goes before Washington’s pick. They won’t take the chance unless the compensation coming to them is insane.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 11, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

KC is in the best trade position, IMO.

We saw how hard it was to try and trade our 3rd overall last year. the Jets traded for the #5 to get Sanchez.

KC will likely be the team to make a trade early in the draft.

My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:

"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 11, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...

I wouldn’t make that deal, no. But, Tampa wants out of the spot and if they give Seattle enough of a discount I could see it happening. Players could be involved in the trade as well. Ok, I’ll give that Seattle trading up is probably unlikely. But, there is still a chance Tampa goes with McCoy over Suh and that would still mean he has a shot to fall. In the last 12 years a DT has only been taken once in the top 3. Its just not as important to teams as QB, LT, or DE.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

They...

very well could. But, there is an argument to made that McCoy fits their defense better. He is faster at the point of the attack, which is needed for a 3-technique pass rushing defensive tackle. Suh is more of a 2-gapper. Mike Mayock has McCoy listed ahead of Suh in his DT rankings. I’m just saying its not out of the realm of possibility.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

can anyone tell me where to go to get the point values for draft picks?

I don’t mind at all about trading down but how low do we drop? and who would be interested in the 5th pick? I’d be happy to drop to 20-25th if we could get the right picks in this draft or next years

by sgthall on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

I can't

but I’d be interested to see how actual draft trades from the past correlate to the value chart. Personally I think it’s bogus, particularly when high first round picks are involved, but it probably does provide some fair guidelines for those fast & furious draft-day trades.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Mar 11, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure. Go to Google and type NFL draft chart......oh hell..... I'll do it for you

NFL draft-pick value chartEmail Print ESPN Insider

Before NFL general managers consider trading draft picks, they more often than not consult this value chart. The chart assigns each pick in the draft a point value, giving GMs an easy reference to compare the relative value of draft picks in different rounds.

Draft Pick Value Chart
Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7 Other
1 3000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 28 193 15.2 225 2.9
2 2600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 27.6 194 14.8 226 2.8
3 2200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 27.2 195 14.4 227 2.7
4 1800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 26.8 196 14 228 2.6
5 1700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 26.4 197 13.6 229 2.5
6 1600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 26 198 13.2 230 2.4
7 1500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 25.6 199 12.8 231 2.3
8 1400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 25.2 200 12.4 232 2.2
9 1350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 24.8 201 12 233 2.1
10 1300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 24.4 202 11.6 234 2
11 1250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 24 203 11.2 235 1.9
12 1200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 23.6 204 10.8 236 1.8
13 1150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 23.2 205 10.4 237 1.7
14 1100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 22.8 206 10 238 1.6
15 1050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 22.4 207 9.6 239 1.5
16 1000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 22 208 9.2 240 1.4
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 21.6 209 8.8 241 1.3
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 21.2 210 8.4 242 1.2
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 20.8 211 8 243 1.1
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 20.4 212 7.6 244 1
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 20 213 7.2 245 0.95
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 19.6 214 6.8 246 0.9
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 19.2 215 6.4 247 0.85
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 31.8 184 18.8 216 6 248 0.8
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 31.2 185 18.4 217 5.6 249 0.75
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 30.8 186 18 218 5.2 250 0.7
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 30.4 187 17.6 219 4.8 251 0.65
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 30 188 17.2 220 4.4 252 0.6
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 29.6 189 16.8 221 4 253 0.55
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 29.2 190 16.4 222 3.6 254 0.5
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 28.8 191 16 223 3.3 255 0.45
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 28.4 192 15.6 224 3 256 0

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Mar 11, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

thx so much

hard to figure draft value if you have no frame of reference.

by sgthall on Mar 12, 2010 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Safety isn't as important

In a 3-4 that doesn’t “spill” to the safety as much as Pittsburgh does.

by alakan81 on Mar 11, 2010 12:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I hope we find OT's and NT's. Good linemen on both sides of the ball is the key to winning.

More pressure on the QB(defense). More time to throw(offense). It starts in the direct line of play(trenches). It trickles down from there.

by imur#1fan on Mar 11, 2010 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

Another mock, lol

(1) Eric Berry FS (2) Cam Thomas NT (2) Koa Misi OLB (3) Andre Roberts WR/KR (4) Mike Johnson OG (4) TRADING 2 5TH’S TO MOVE-UP Greg Olsen OC (5) Donald Butler ILB (6) Matt Clapp FB

by gregorychief on Mar 14, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

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