The Quandary and Potential of DT Terrence Cody
by Matt Conner on Mar 10, 2010 5:20 PM CST
in 2010 Kansas City Chiefs Draft
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PrintWhen it comes to the upcoming draft, there's only one player that perfectly fits a position that's quickly becoming one of the most important in the NFL. Yet that same player comes with question marks of work ethic and conditioning that has him scaled much farther down draft boards than he should be -- a perplexing situation that might play out much differently than anything we're projecting come draft day.
The position? The 3-4 nose tackle.
The player? Terrence Cody.
Before you assume you know what's coming, just go with me for a minute (because you know you have nothing else to do anyway). Think about the situation at hand. More and more teams are moving to a 3-4 defense with each season, making good tackles in the scheme very hard to come by. The few that might have been available this year were all locked up - from Vince Wilfork to Casey Hampton to Aubrayo Franklin. The ones that were available are either entirely unproven or have their best days behind them. Not a pretty picture.
But look at the draft. As absolutely amazing as both Gerald McCoy and Ndamukong Suh will be in the NFL, neither one are the behemoth point-of-attack player that the 3-4 nose tackle calls for. Neither are Tennessee's Dan Williams, UCLA's Bryan Price or Penn State's Jared Odrick. All of these are predicted as first-round talents around most mock drafts, but all seem best suited in the 4-3 coming into the NFL. And as Chiefs fans, we've seen what happens when you take a great DT in college in Glenn Dorsey only to watch the shift take place before your eyes. Many of us love Dorsey, but we can all admit the debate has raged on for two seasons.
More after the jump:
Back to Cody. He's huge. We've all seen the photos of the 370 pound weigh-in. Jokes were made. People knocked him to the second round. Some have even hoped for lower-round talents to fill the spot at nose tackle rather than even use a possible second rounder on Cody. And that's not surprising given the lack of conditioning displayed early on in the off-season.
But what about now? Most recently, Cody weighed in at
Then again, the rare level of talent at the position certainly makes Cody worth a look, right? I think if the Chiefs took Cody with the top pick, fans would riot. At the same time, I have a hard time believing the guy will last until the second round given the scarcity at the position.
So what do you guys think? First round? Second round? And if he could go in the first round, do you think it's worth the Chiefs trying to trade up back into the first round to get him?
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* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
Naa, he actually gained 75 pounds.
The just finally pulled that guy in the picture out from between his moobs.
I really pity that guy.
Having 370lbs of dude folding you in half? I’d be surprised if he ever walked right again.
i saw a LOT of tackles like that this season
he just engulfs a ballcarrier.
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
but he has to catch the guy first
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
You don't have to catch when you engulf ups.
It's basic physics.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
he didn't lose 121 pounds
he gained about 100
They tried using a digital scale, it read DAMN!
They used a needle scale, it went all the way around and landed on 249, so they called it good
KRRRAKATAWAA
Williams could play nose in a 3-4, he's basicly a clone of Terrance Knighton
As for Cody, he’s certainly a monster and that’s what you want from a 3-4 Nose, but the only time he’ll be on the field past 2nd down is when it’s 3rd/4th and 1 and everyone knows a run up the middle is coming.
by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 10, 2010 5:26 PM CST reply actions
Williams can play nose... and he looks pretty solid
but, I’m not 100% sold on him.
Cody… yeah, he might come off the field on 3rd down… but that’s fine… IF he can help make the Chiefs run defense as solid as Bama’s was… he’s worth a 2nd round pick.
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
That is true but
Someone made the point yesterday that the entire year last year the NT came out on 3rd downs and they just played the two DEs on the line.
So if the NT never plays on 3rd downs anyway, the fact that Cody isn’t useful on 3rd down becomes less of an issue.
I’m not really a Cody fan. His weight issues bother me and will only get worse as he gets rich. Its good that he’s losing weight now, but does he have the discipline to keep it off during the offseason? Remains to be seen.
Agree DJ
BUT, a two down NT is all we are asking for.
And a 2nd round 2a is fine with me is all that is being ask of him.
a trade up is a non-starter I think. 2 picks for one player? I would for Suh not cody and not Williams. Cody seems to be a good kid and with the right mentoring by Crennel I would be all for taking him in the 2nd not the 1st.
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 10, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
I like Cody at 2a
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
I'm ambivelent about Cody in the 2nd round
I’m fine with it if it happens, I’m sure Haley and Pioli know they are going to have to keep him motivated. But if it doesn’t happen, I’ll be ok with that too.
Cody Has to Get Past San Diego
Unless you’re willing to trade picks back into the bottom of the first round (#26 AZ?) ahead of San Diego, I think it’s a good chance the Chargers pick him. He’s reduced his weight, has fantastic “tape” from the season and they just lost Jamal Williams to the Broncos (anyone know if Jamal was a 2 down NT?) 50/50 chance San Diego grabs Cody at 28 in the first.
I think if Pouncey is gone at 2a and Cody is there, I think Pioli picks him. If Pouncey and Cody are both there at 2a, I think Pioli picks Pouncey and targets Thomas or Troup in the 3rd round.
The Chargers wont take him, there's a zero chance
There’s something called position value which our GM is obsessed with. The four “positions” generally included in this theory that express added value usually due to importance, impact, and playing time are OT, QB, pass rusher, and CB.
(payrolls reflect this, if you need numerical evidence)
The elite NTs people talk about are not elite because the are just huge and stop the run. Its because they stop the run, and are athletic enough to split a double team in a passing situation.
I would bet money SD drafts a DB or RB in the first. Just based on this draft value, whats projected to be there, and club needs.
JWill became a 2 down rotational guy, but earlier in his career he play in nickel situations and was more than capable of pushing his man into the QB.
I've been saying all along
that Cody is too much of a gamble for a top 5 pick, and I, personally, would wait until round 2, and see if he’s still there. It’s a safe move, because Cam Thomas and Terell Troup are there for the taking if Cody isn’t.
I would consider a trade back into round 1 for him… but I don’t think it will be required to get him.
I do think Cody will very likely be an extremely solid NT in the NFL… measureables aside, he’s a football player.
IF he weren’t athletic… he wouldn’t come in as a FB on the goal line for Bama, and he wouldn’t have been able to get up to block those kicks.
the kid can play, and Haley can whip him into shape
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
Well said and I agree on all points.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Cam Thomas and Terell Troup
Aren’t Cody. They may get to be decent NT’s, but they’ve got a ways to go. I’m fine with selecting someone other than Cody for that position in the spirit of the ‘right 53’, but Cody is a much better immediate prospect than any of the other contenders, including Williams.
I’m in the trade back camp, but the reason is to pick up additional picks, not to get to the point Cody becomes a value pick. And, it won’t be easy.
He is hoping to get to 340 by the draft
Our recent signing may negate this as a possible 1st round pick, but Vince Wilfork was taken early 1st round while Pioli was in NE. It is very possible this is the selection, if they think he is a good fit.
If he keeps up with the swimming he'll be slim and trim in no time!!!
"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith
by severn58 on Mar 10, 2010 5:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The dude in the backround looks like he is running in fear of a tsunami.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
LOL ... that's funnier than the pic
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo!
5 minutes!!!
ROFLMAO!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Mar 10, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
BAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
At least he was wise enough to cover his tig-ol-bitties
On a serious note, I’d be cool using a second on him, won’t happen, but people drop all the time.
"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith
I just don't see it
Cody played less than 50% of the defensive plays in college reason:out of shape? lack of breath?
His size makes him available for the reality show “Biggest Loser”
speed 6 or 7 seconds in 40 yd dash I can do that and I have had 9 knee ops and am 59 years old. well I’d be close if I don’t trip over my cane.
There are other safer picks later in draft for a NT and probably in long run better picks, I’d worry about his heart, diabetes etc , can’t see him in 5 yrs playing due to these problems.
I am sorry I wish him well but his shape says he is out of shape and correcting his physical stature should have been done much earlier. I really worry about the long term effects on his body.
The he wasn't used is because of the type of defense they ran
Go back, watch the games. A lot of time they had the opponent in 3rd and long situations, and they would bring in better pass rushers and a lot of time they’d bring in 4 d-linemen and play a nickel derivative. In third and short situations he was always in.
I think your worries are misguided, but you are more than welcome to them.
Then again, if we're focusing on one of the 2nd rd. pics, I say try for Jared Gaither.
With Baltimore losing 2 somewhat high picks, and knowing that they’re a team that likes to hold onto picks, I’d be inclined to see if they’d swap him for a 2. I’m not going to speculate which side of the line he plays on, I can see an argument for left and right, I’m just saying as a Baltimore based Chiefs fan, I’ve seen lots of the dude, and he’s a stud. Nobody in the second round is going to have the same value, at a need position, as he does.
"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith
Question. Which bear is best?
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
That's a ridiculous question.
"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith
False. Black bear.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
WRITE IT DOWN!
Hilarious!!
Love Dwight,he cracks me up!
by Smarterthanchris on Mar 10, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
That is all.
"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith
Dude I feel sorry for the running back in the picture!!!
Did the RB break both legs after that pile on tackle?
Cody should be flagged if he lifted both legs up after tackling the RB for Unnecessary roughness!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
Does anyone remember how dominant this guy was!?
Give him guidance and make this his job, then he’ll become a great player. I don’t wanna regret not taking this guy.
by Michael Douglas on Mar 10, 2010 6:00 PM CST reply actions
Welcome to AP Micheal Douglas
I have always enjoyed your work :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
and your wife Zeta RRrRRRrrr...
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by aPacificChief on Mar 10, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
She can ring my Tmobile phone anyday!!!
I’d go with a 2a for the Codester. Just think if we picked up McClain with the 1st and Cody with the 2nd. Awesome. Or Berry Cody and Spikes….that’d be as excellent as Bill and Ted’s adventure!
Thomas Jones and the Lombardi, DO IT!
I'm still waiting for the bank account to match
Women are good too though
by Michael Douglas on Mar 10, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
For my money
this is the funniest AP post I can remember. With moobs, the Tsunami, the bear schtick and Michael Douglas. Chiefs fans must be in a good mood tonight!
ahhh nfl total access...cody, and cam thomas were talked about climbing the charts.
Scott Pioli will find a way to make NT the biggest offseason priority.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
He wouldn't have a lot of tackles, but that's not what he's there for
He’s there to take up space and 2 OLmen. He’s there to get a push up the middle.
He does both of these things well. I see him being at 325 by the end of Training Camp which will be perfect for his height. Haley will have him in shape…of that you can be sure.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 6:42 PM CST reply actions
If I somehow falls to 2b (which I don't think he will), we pick Cody for sure
I could see us taking Cody at 2a if Golden Tate and Pouncey are both off the board, which is a good possibility. Either way, I think we need to draft a young NT in this years Draft. I really like Linval Joseph in the 3rd – 4th. If Torrell Troup falls to 5, I would take him there as well.
No thanks to Cam Thomas — hasn’t done anything in actual games. Game film is what Pioli has said is the most important in his evaluations.
I could see us taking Cody at 2a even if Tate and Pouncey are both still there
heck, I could see Pioli taking Cody at #5 (if he and Crennel think Cody is our franchise NT, I’m trusting them, because they freakin’ know d-linemen)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Two thumbs up on Cody if he's there with our 2a pick
We need to STOP the freakin running
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by aPacificChief on Mar 11, 2010 4:47 AM CST up reply actions
agree with pvchiefsfan
but i would not rule out Aaron hernandez te florida if he is there at 2a, with the way pioli as well as charlie view te’s.just love the way he goes up and gets the ball. piioli does know his lineman thats for sure.
350 lbs ... the guy is a lazy fat dude ...
and if there’s one guy who can make that kind of mountain slim down, it is Hayley!!! He did with few players last year, didn’t he ?
Fat
Let’s face it. He’s a lard-ass. This is not going to get better over time. Better to get a NT at about 310 or 315 and have him put on 20 lb of muscle, than to draft a guy because he is carrying an extra 50 lb of blubber. And think about training camp. Cody will eat all the food, and the rest of the guys will starve!
Remember “Refrigerator” Perry? This guy will be “Grocery Store” Cody.
On the other hand, remembering Perry, we could make him a short yardage situation running back. Just tell him to fall forward. The D-linemen will get out of the way to avoid suffocation.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
- Groucho Marx
When they go to training camp
his roommate better pray to God that Cody doesnt have the top bunk.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
This guy was a 2 down rotational player in college
That says it all for me.
He’s a waste of any decent 1st or 2nd round pick as far as Im concerned.
is that why SD will pick him in 1st?
You sometimes learn something everyday.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
-- Madden
SD wont touch this guy
I guarantee that, our GM has decided for better or worse we are going with the scrub fest rotation again in 2010. Ironically the best scrub in this rotation last year, was cut by the Chiefs in Boone.
Mount Cody rulz!
He will go high as did Andre Smith last year
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Mark it down!!
We trade down to #7 with Cleveland and get NT Shaun Rodgers, he and Smith can FIGHT it out at the NT position. I send DJ and D Morgan to Detriot for their #34. Great deal for both.Trade our #138 and #140 to Chicago for their #106. We sign C Mawae and G Lija. Draft time:
R1 #7 SS Eric Berry-Tennessee
R2 #34 LB Jerry Hughes-TCU
R2 #36 CB Patrick Robinson-FSU
R2 #50 OT Rodger Saffold-Indiana
R3 #68 C J. D. Walton-Baylor
R4 #99 DE Lamar Houston-Texas
R4 #106 LB Jamar Chaney-Miss St
R5 #132 WR Andre Roberts-Citadel
I like the trade proposal
with Cleveland and Detroit (and possibly Chicago depending on who is available at that time)
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Because I am a moron and pasted this in the McClain post, here tis
I agree that if we trade back we go for it
He IS the one and only prototypical NT in the draft. Good athlete, questionable work ethic although he appears to have picked it up a bit which is good. I’m a huge fan of taking him at 2a but I have increasing doubt that he’ll be there with all of the teams going 34. Seems like everyone is being coy about this guy hoping to steal him at the end of the 1st round.
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Would Cody be better than a Sam Adams or Ted Washington during there days
I saw those guys last forever in the league because they just ate up space in the middle and gave a push. I find it hard to believe that Cody could not do the same thing those two did. I guess the question would be…if Ted Washington or Sam Adams were around today in their prime, would you draft them with the 5th overal? If not, where would you draft those guys.
I gues another way thought would be...
If we rewind to last year, and T. Jackson and Cody are both on the board when we pick? Would you rather have Cody or Jackson. i would rather have Cody.
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