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The Great Debate: Eric Berry, Should He or Should He Not?


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Should Eric Berry be be a top 5 pick in the 2010 NFL Draft? That is the question that many experts, scouts, coaches, and even fans are asking themselves. We all have our own opinion on the matter, but I am here to prove why Eric Berry should be taken in the top 5, and why it is ok. After the jump, I will explore the careers of the safeties that have been drafted in the top 5, and I will also give my analysis on Eric Berry.

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Since 1963, only 5 safeties have been selected in the top 5 in the NFL Draft. The safety position is thought to be a luxury position that does not warrant top 5 status. Below are the names of the safeties selected within the top 5, and a breif look at their careers.

 

1963 - 2nd overall selection, DB Kermit Alexander (San Francisco 49ers)

Kermit Alexander enjoyed a 11 year career in the NFL. During his career, he accumulated 43 interceptions and 28 fumble recoveries. He is most known for his memorable hit on running back Gale Sayers, that tore ligaments in his knee.

Awards & Honors: (1968 Pro Bowler) - (1968 2nd-Team All NFL)

 

 

1981 - 4th overall selection, DB Kenny Easley (Seattle Seahawks)

Kenny Easley’s career was cut short due to a severe kidney disease. Although he only played for 7 years, he managed to rack up some pretty hefty numbers, 32 interceptions and 8 sacks. During his tenure, he was known as one of the Premier safeties in the NFL. If you don't believe me, check out this quote, “He’d be a Hall of Fame player (had he played longer). Maybe he still is. He was that good.” You’re probably wondering who had such great things to say about Mr. Easley. I won’t leave you in suspense, it was offensive genius and enervator, Bill Walsh. 

Awards & Honors: (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987 Pro Bowler) - (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985 First-Team All NFL)

 

 

1988 - 3rd overall selection, DB Bennie Blades (Detroit Lions)

Around the NFL, Bennie Blades was known as an enforcer. Many players and coaches anointed him as one of the most physical safeties in the league. At the safety position, he logged three 100+ tackle seasons. His 815 tackles place him second in Lions History. He had a good 10 year run with the Detroit Lions. During that 10 years, he helped the lions win the NFC Central, make three playoff appearances, and one NFC Championship appearance.

Awards & Honors: (NFL All-Rookie 1988) - (1991 Pro Bowler) - (1991 First-Team All NFL) - (1992 Team MVP)

 

 

1991 - 2nd overall selection, DB Eric Turner (Cleveland Browns)

At the age of 31, Eric Turner passed away from intestinal cancer. He only played 9 years in the NFL, but still managed to leave his mark. Turner was the highest selected defensive back in NFL history. He set the bench mark for future safeties entering the NFL Draft. Turner was known as a good overall safety, he could play strong or free safety. During his 9 years, he caught 30 interceptions.

Awards & Honors: (1994, 1996 Pro Bowler) - (1994 First-Team All Pro)

 

 

2004 - 5th overall selction, DB Sean Taylor (Washington Redskins)

Sean Taylor is the most recent safety to be selected in the top 5. During his collegiate career, with his big time hitting, he helped bring the National Championship to the University of Miami. Drafted by the Redskins, he brought that same energy and big time hitting to the NFL. His teammates nicknamed him Meast (Half Man-Half Beast). He was a freak of nature athlete, who had a knack for making the big play. In 2007, Sports illustrated named Taylor the “Hardest Hitting Safety” in the NFL. Unfortunately his career ended prematurely. As you know, in 2007, Sean Taylor was shot and killed by home intruders. Even though he only played four years, he accounted for 300 tackles, 12 interceptions, and 8 forced fumbles. Sean Taylor was a beast, and he, like the others before him helped pave the way for safeties to be considered amongst the top 5 in the NFL Draft.

Awards & Honors: (2006, 2007, 2008 (honorary) Pro Bowl) - (2007 1st Team All-NFL)

 

 

Conclusion

As you can see, every safety selected in the top 5 has made the Pro Bowl, received numerous NFL honors, and played a huge part on their respective teams. Gone are the days where a safety should be banished from the top 5. The NFL is evolving, and it is evolving quickly. The St. Louis Rams (Greatest Show On Turf) and the 07’ New England Patriots started a revolution. Spread the field, cause mismatches, and spin the ball all over the field. Safeties are a hot commodity now, and are becoming more of a pressing need. I am here to say it is okay to draft a safety in the top 5, it is okay.

 

Question 2

On to my next question. Should Eric Berry be the 5th overall selection by the Kansas City Chiefs? My answer is an emphatic Yes! If you have not had the chance to read my analysis on Eric Berry (My Proposal To Fixing My Beloved Chiefs), it is provided for you below. 

 

 

ROUND 1 - DB, Eric Berry, Tennessee Volunteers (Highlights)

(Age: 21   Height: 5'11   Weight: 211 lbs.   Forty Time: 4.47)

Eric Berry is a top 5 player on many experts draft boards and, rightfully so. He is a supreme talent who can play any position in the secondary. Safeties with the talent of Berry do not come around often. He is the epitome of a game changer. Some analyst don't see the value in selecting a safety in the top 5, but the importance of having a quality safety is becoming of the essence. The NFL is evolving before our eyes. It is becoming a passing league. More and more, teams are loading up at receiver, and spreading the field, and causing mismatches for defenses. We don't have to look to far for evidence, other than to look at our own division. Both Phillip Rivers and Kyle Orton led pass happy teams in 2009. They combined for 1,027 passing attempts, 8,056 passing yards, and 49 touchdowns. Passing numbers like these, are the reason why teams require athleticism at the safety position.

At the combine, Berry's athletic prowess was on display. He ran an exceptional forty and, had some of the best transitions during the defensive back drills. After watching 08' and 09' tape on Berry, I have come to the conclusion that he is the most complete defensive back in the draft. He has the speed and hip flexibility to blanket any receiver, and the ball skills to intercept or deflect any ball. His instincts and football IQ are off the charts. Rarely is Berry fooled by play action or misdirection plays. He diagnoses plays immediately and, blows them up. in 2009, Berry had only 2 interceptions, as oppose to 7 in 2008 and 5 in 2007. Defensive Coordinator Monte Kiffin had Berry playing the rover position. He often lined up in the box, to provide run support. When he did stay back at strong safety, quarterbacks rarely threw his way, on purpose.

Berry is the type of player that fits the "right 53". He has a passion for football, is a good kid on and off the filed, and is very versatile. He can provide the Chiefs with a bonafide playmaker in the secondary. If you are uncertain about selecting a safety 5th overall, just look at the effect Troy Palamlou and Darren Sharper had on their respective teams. When Palamlou went down with injury, the Steelers fell apart on defense. At the age of 34, Darren Sharper intercepted 9 balls, and returned 4 of them for touchdowns. He was a main cog on the defense, and a big reason for their Super Bowl success. To give you even more of an idea of the type of skills Berry possesses, imagine a mixture of Ed Reed, Troy Palamlou, and Brian Dawkins. He has the ball skills and return skills of Reed, the pursuit of Palamlou, and the tenacious tackling of Brian Dawkins. I have no doubt in my mind that Berry is the right selection for the Chiefs. He will immediately help to turn around one of the poorest passing defenses in the league.

Career Stats: Tackles: 241   Ints: 14   FF: 2   Sacks: 3   TDs: 3

 

 

Note: If you haven't checked out The Great Debate: Ndamukong Suh, Can He or Cant He, check it out!

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Should the Chiefs select Safety Eric Berry 5th overall?
Yes, Eric Berry should be selected 5th overall by the Kansas City Chiefs
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my first thought just looking at the title of the post post was ...

complete the sentence …

Eric Berry, should he or should he not … what, be drafted? play pro football? then I thought well, ok … I’ll read it, but if it’s Larry asking if he should be the Chiefs draft pick, I’m a gonna kill him …

Larry, do you take SwimCoach to be your lawfully wedded ...

you guys, sheesh … LOL … good and informative post, Larry, but man … what’s your wife think about this Berry mancrush you have?

of course, the REAL question is … what does Scott Pioli think about drafting Berry?

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

I will cut you....

I’ve been doing the Eric Berry leg hump for months now.

In all seriousness, he’s my favorite but I won’t take a swan dive off the cliff if we draft elsewhere. Our needs are great and #5 is a powerful pick. As long as we don’t do another T-Jax style reach I won’t complain much.

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by Buck'O on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

nice..

yes he should

Man crush on Eric Berry.

by SwimCoach on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

geez...

not to be cruel, but it seems like top 5 Safeties seem to die young.

Berry might want to be taken 6th or later, for his own good

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB

by stagdsp on Mar 10, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

lol I was thinking the same thing!!!

I was like damn, i hope if we get him nothing happens to him

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Its the top 5 safety curse

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 10, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Lar

Knows how to start threads, I’ll give you that.

I’ll say…125+ comments.

by kcsno56 on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 PM CST reply actions  

lol

My goal is to get one of these bad boys on the front page.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we afford not to take him?

do we reach for a NT or what ? If we don’t trade out, we shoot ourselves in the foot.

by sgthall on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM CST reply actions  

I would love to have a secondary of Flowers, Carr, Berry and Page

by dshyne101 on Mar 10, 2010 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

Im not so sold on Page

But yea Id love Berry to team up with Flowers

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it'd be hard to go wrong with Berry at #5

I think he’d be a solid pick there. He’s one of several guys I think would be excellent decisions there. As I’ve said a couple of times, Pioli would have to try pretty hard to screw this pick up (Clausen, Bradford, possibly Haden, or a craptastic riser like T-Jax or Robert Ayers was supposed to be).

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

no doubt he's a solid pick, or even better ... but at #5 you have to drop dead rock solid lock

in my mind, at that point … you have to consider the following …

BPA vs Biggest Team Need

would Berry be BPA? maybe and maybe not … we could debate that for days w/o coming to a conclusion, but let’s say he is … BPA at #5 … you still have to address the overarching issue …

Does he fill the team’s biggest need?

no question that Secondary is a need on this team and as dshyne noted: if you get Berry …

a secondary of Flowers, Carr, Berry and Page

nice, w/o question that looks good on paper … but the game is played on grass (or astroturf) … is NT a bigger priority than S? is stopping the run a bigger priority than having a stud in the Secondary? and to be honest, I’m not sure it isn’t …

Williams is said to be a “reach” and maybe he is at #5 … then too, if the Pioli braintrust (Crennel, all the scouts, Haley, et al) decide that NT (as example) is a bigger need and gives us more “bang for the buck” … are we gonna argue?

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you have to find a good median between

best player available and biggest team need……..So in this case with berry we would be getting good value at 5 without reaching for a NT that could fall to the bottom third of the first round.

Money wise- you would have to think that the safety position is more demanding than NT(not sure what the franchise tag numbers are)……i think if we signed williams at 5 that contract would be close to wilfork’s new one, which would make him the highest paid NT in the league, but on the other hand berry’s contract would still be high at the safety position but not the highest paid
I guess an easier way of saying all that whoopla is that safeties demand a higher contract than NT

by cassel4prez on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's a myth that needs must be addressed in order of urgency

For example, a nose tackle is one of the least likely positions to be taken in the top five, along with interior offensive line. Safety, wideout, corner, RB, and even middle linebacker are more commonly taken that early. So it makes some sense, in my opinion, to make a value chart that indexes ability with position, and then draft based on that. I mean, if fullback were the biggest need, I would reject the notion that fullback should be taken with the team’s first pick.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand and I won't/can't argue this at all, but ...

in our position, and at that point in the draft, NT and LB are also things that need strong consideration … and yes, there ARE other DBs that can make the impact that Berry can make … and yes Pioli might just decide to take one of them instead, or a NT or LB, or trade down if he can …

and if any of those happen and we do NOT get Berry, my world will not end … simply put: I think it’s a myth that Berry is the ONLY player the Chiefs SHOULD consider at #5

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The Chiefs should consider

Berry, Williams, Okung, Bulaga, Bryant, Haden, Graham…They should look into all those guys. Im in favor of Berry though. Wouldn’t be upset if we got any of those guys.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree

I think Berry is one of several perfectly awesome directions KC could go. For example, a couple of others are Okung or possibly McClain. Heck, if the coaches wanted to make the 3-4 more of a hybrid, Suh or McCoy would also be terrific options there, although I’m less certain that the idea of converting either to true nose tackle would be cost-efficient even if successful.

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by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

yah, Suh or McCoy MAYBE but neither is true NT as you noted ...

… Suh won’t make it to us anyway, doubt McCoy will (likely gone to Tampa Bay) but that raises the question …

IF … McCoy is there at #5 …

 … Okung, I’m kinda coming down off him a little, only because we DO need Defense so badly … but he IS a beast and Albert DID play LG in college and …

see? this is why those scouts are so damn important …

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Unlike Suh?

Surely you speak of Suh as a 34 DE then.

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by Buck'O on Mar 11, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

on the redzone today soren had a long segment comparing recent top 10 safeties with the one picked after him

it was really about the value of picking a saftey later in the 1st or second compared to early in the 1st, unlike, say QBs.

not sure if you can go back and listen to it or not, but if so, i highly recommend it. it was very interested to see the facts laid out. he gave you two names at a time, each from the same draft, and then had you chose which you’d rather have. every time i chose the guy picked later than the one chosen in the top 10. guys like roy williams, reed., wettle, shaun taylor, laron landry, meriweather, bob sanders and so on.

 it seems like skill level can be comparable between the top 3 or 4 safeties not to mention the value they represent compared to some other positions, especially when taken at 5. it’s just very rare that a safety is gonna be the game changing, franchise saving guy. i know everyone will say “but berry is that game changing player, he’s like so and so”, but they say that every year so i gotta take it with a grain of salt. not to mention top 5 safeties seem to drop like flies

by E.C. on Mar 10, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Good post!

We’e talked a lot about him but this was some pretty good stuff, glad to see some new info. I’m starting to shift to the Berry bandwagon, but my top choice is still Suh if he can be had without giving up high picks. Suh, Berry, or McClain – I’m sold on all 3.

1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.

by BJ Kissel on Mar 10, 2010 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

YES please

I think berry would be a great pick at 5, especially with the continuity hes building with flowers……could be a great duo.

and i completely agree i comment somewhere yesterday that dbacks and safeties in general havent been looked at as a high priority in the past…….but with the evolution of the passing game these days(2009-10 4000 yd passers,2008-6 4000 yard passers), and the emergence of shut down corners, I believe that dbacks will start being a high priority in the top 10 picks of the draft(replacing the running backs that were so popular in the last decade)

by cassel4prez on Mar 10, 2010 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

pioli just make this draft as good as you can..

pretty please with a berry on top :]

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Mar 10, 2010 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

Berry = BPA and Need

Pur biggest need maybe nose tackle or oline, but you dont have to draft in that order. You take the best player on the board, who fills a need. Thats Berry, imo

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Conclusion

Another post slobbing on the knob of Eric Berry as if he is the only player in the whole draft worth picking. Do we really need the same post and boring poll twice a day?

Sad thing is…most of the guys who think we should draft him probably never even saw him play.

I give up. The Fanboys can have AP. See you in the fall…maybe.

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by KCSatchmo on Mar 10, 2010 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

WOW

This post is more than "fanboys slobbing on the knob of Berry". This post was to give insight on the safeties throughout history that have been selected in the top 5. It is about how the NFL is turning into a passing league…its much more than what you think.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

don't you DARE leave me alone with the Berrylovers ...

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Too late.

I’m out.

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by KCSatchmo on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Larry...

make a fanshot or something to get this on the main page. Joel should post that both Kiper and McShay have KC getting Berry

Man crush on Eric Berry.

by SwimCoach on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM CST reply actions  

So if we DO take Berry at #5

does that mean he’s going to die from some disease or get shot at 7 or 8 years in the NFL? I think it’s crazy that three of the 5 all died prematurely in their NFL careers

by NWMOChiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

Hay Larry

You’re doing some nice write ups. Keep up the good work. Thanks for the effort. rec’d

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by Buck'O on Mar 10, 2010 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

don't encourage him ...

… or I will cut you with my pen (mightier than the sword, ha!)

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

you don’t like Berry much do you?

I’d much rather read this type of post than all of the mocks and the “AP please be nice to each other” posts. These generate good football discussion. Me likey.

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by Buck'O on Mar 10, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, don't me wrong ... I don't HATE Berry ... I just don't have the mancrush on him like Larry and SwimCoach and ...

but yeah, a post like this is WAY better than … well … one yesterday and another today that make me wonder if, for those posters, English is a second language … or if it’s maybe third or fourth or …

… and I do TRY to be “nice” for the most part on THOSE posts but man … sometimes it’;s just SO hard to hold it back, yanno? (when a poster tosses up the very little information on his guy and it turns out to be INACCURATE and then turns around and tells US that WE should do the research because WE are ignorant … )

’scuse me while I step AWAY from the computer … {{grinning}} … ya dig

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I love it

and I’m just as guilty of bringing it a rough when it’s warranted. Keeps the members honest. I can dig it.

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by Buck'O on Mar 10, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats one reason I dont post.

I have actually tried to post a couple of times. Which gave me all the more respect for those who make a quality post. I honestly don’t have the time to put out a quality piece. The premise I want to present and the research it takes is more than I have time for. My respect for the contributors to this site really grew when I tried to post the first time. I finally understood my place at AP, as a commentor not a poster. :)

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Mar 10, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

nice

i only have time because im a slacker at work. if i didnt have AP, id go crazy at work!

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

There is a lot of hard work put into almost everysingle post that comes out on AP, and the discussion following truely shows what makes this site the best Chiefs site there is.

by BAMFSpecialOps on Mar 11, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I;m darn tired of seeing our safeties

being beaten over the top and missing tackles. Berry won’t miss.

by skunk420 on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Yea they were torched all year.

Took poor angles, missed tackles, couldn’t cover TEs, it was sad. On a lot of big plays, you could easily see the safety out of position or taking the wrong angle.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Larry, just wondering ...

I can see it being bad S on the missed tackles …

… but on out of position, how is that not bad coaching and/or bad scheme? at the outset of a game it would seem almost certainly to be scheme … if it continued during game, shouldn’t Defensive Captain (Vrabel?) be calling for adjustments as well? and not just the S but also for LB … the whole “out of position” AND “bad angles” sounds like more than just “this or that guy sucks”

help/answers on this anyone?

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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

We will never know, only can assume

But im not talking about prior to the play, im talking about during the play. Mike Brown took so many wrong angles, and bit on so many misdirections or play actions. He was always out of place. Pre snap, im not sure.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm liking Berry @ 5 if he's there

But what’s the shelf life of an NFL Safety these days? Its gotta be less than a RB.

I mean they get so banged up and are oft injured. Just seems like a battle of attrition back there.

I just wonder if we’ll get more return going O-line early.

by chiefsfan62 on Mar 10, 2010 9:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

i duno

Safeties play for a while. Look at Dawkins.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmm, would I take Troy Polamalu knowing what I do now with the 5th pick

I dunno maybe, either way front seven is more important. There really isn’t one player in this draft worthy of the 5th pick, I’d like a great OLB, but that would be a huge reach with the ones in this draft, LT might not be out of the question for the money we will have to shell out, Dan williams?

by Chiefs3188 on Mar 10, 2010 9:36 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, But not at #5

We trade down to #7 with Cleveland and get NT Shaun Rodgers. Then we draft Berry. He will be there

  1. Bradford
  2. Suh
  3. McCoy
  4. Okung
  5. Claussen
  6. LT-2nd rated
  7. Berry to the Chiefs

by 102win on Mar 10, 2010 11:50 PM CST reply actions  

Im for it!

Id love to add Berry and Rogers. Its not a give Berry will even be there when we pick at 5 or 7.

by Larryemcdaniel on Mar 10, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

New to Arrowheadpride

This is an awesome article. For a long time people have been saying 5th is too high to select a safety. This article gave insight to the previous safeties selected in the top 5, and background info on them. Kudos to the author, I am now convinced.

by NsoStunna on Mar 11, 2010 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry, Satch. I'm more of a front 3 or 4 or 5, rather than front 7 guy. After that, it's perimeter. LB comes last.

Just too many LBs who can get it done, if the other two groups get it done. Fairly wide range of physical measurables that can be effective. Fairly easy to choose for football IQ, and be just fine.

What makes Berry so attractive is he’s the total package (supposedly) in terms of athlete and football IQ.

Like Steve_Chiefs says, if Berry can be a shutdown DB, that is, play man coverage, then he’s worth it.

What concerns me is everyone talking about great 40 times, and I’m seeing 4.43.

The thing with DB (corner) and DL is if they’re the real deal, they’re worth it. But you need to be certain they’re the real deal. BPA is beside the point, if BPA isn’t going to be a dominant player.

What I want to see, and haven’t seen for years, is a team that’s able to blitz at will, and STILL do a convincing job covering people. Yes, a better pass rush needs to be a priority, but you also need DBs who CAN come up and jam everybody in the pattern, whenever they want, and NOT do like the Chiefs have had to do for about the last 10 years, which is back off into a soft zone, and let everybody off the line scot-free.

This is something Clancy understood, imo, and he DID try to come up and press, only didn’t have the personnel to pull it off, with some embarrassing results. I don’t fault Clancy, like some do, but feel like he knew what had to be done and you have to trust your players to do it, only KC didn’t have the players to do it. If that one arrow isn’t in your quiver, the better offenses will have their way with you. Extra wide sets should NOT force your D into a purely passive coverage scheme. Shutdown DBs are worth whatever the going rate is, or even more.

So are dominant linemen. You settle for 2nd tier at those positions and you might as well not have made the pick in the 1st place. You REACH for a guy who can get it DONE, and it’s not a reach at ALL. LB is another story, imo, and I wouldn’t let myself be distracted by the phenoms like Laurence Taylor or Derrick Thomas, who were basically 5th d-linemen with better-than-d-line speed in blitz-happy defensive schemes, made possible by attention to d-line and secondary.

by hmills110 on Mar 11, 2010 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

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