Push For Bryan Bulaga, 5th Overall Pick
by KC_MO on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 AM CST
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I'm not sure how the offensive line would shape up. But Pioli has the opportunity to possibly improve three positions with the 5th overall pick. What I do know is that we have a young QB, Cassel, signed to a huge contract. A young stud at RB in Jamaal Charles. Chris Chambers signed to a three year deal. And now RB Thomas Jones signed to a two year deal. The smart thing for Pioli to do would be to buy protection for his big investments to help this team succeed.
Posted is a link of game film for Bryan Bulaga. The first thing that jumped out at me was his strength. He never gets pushed back or man handled. A physical player who holds his blocks well. Great in the running game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DYk6GzwHC4&feature=related
Reasoning for OT Bulaga:
This pick makes the most sense to me because of the investments at the quarterback and running back position. He helped led his Hawkeyes to the 2009 orange bowl and an 11-2 record. Pioli has a connection to this player through Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, he's also a Belicheck guy and was a potential candidate for the Head Coaching job when Pioli was first hired as the GM.
Russell Okung's stock is rising. Lions and Redskins have a strong need for a franchise LT.
Brendan Albert was the top rated interior lineman coming out of the draft in 2008. Hasn't had a big impact starting at LT, I think could return to form at his accustomed position LG. I've seen talk about moving him to RT, but with Waters getting older and O'Callaghan having done a good job on a spotty line in 2009 I think it makes better sense to move Albert to LG and Waters over to RG. Would result in improved play at the LT and both G positions.
In 2009, Pioli passed on Aaron Curry for Tyson Jackson. In 2010, Rolando McClain out of the picture?
Although I think the opportunity will present itself with a player falling to the Chiefs at #5, I don't believe Pioli will make a trade down. Going back to the 2009 draft, Pioli took Tyson Jackson with the 3rd overall pick, he had an opportunity to trade down there.
That being said my guess as to how the rest of the Chiefs draft would go:
1-OT Bryan Bulaga
2-OLB
2-NT
3-C
4-S
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i think if this were to happen waters would play center not right guard
LT- okong/baluga
LG- albert
C- waters
RG- ndukwe
RT-o’callaghan
by chiefs8288 on Mar 10, 2010 1:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If this were to happen then i believe it'd go
LT- Bulaga
LG- Waters
C- Walton (round 2b draft pick.)
RG- Lilja
RT- Albert
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
Hell we can probably get Walton in the 3rd
And signing Lilja is a money pick
LT – Albert
LG – Waters
C – Walton
RG – Lilja
RT- O’Callaghan
Maybe pick up a guard to learn behind Waters in the 4th or 5th rounds
sign me up for this plan
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* keep Albert at LT, upgrade the positions that NEED upgrading.C, RG, NT, S, LB
looks good, but I'd prefer Pouncey in 2nd ... just a bit higher rated so yeah, costs us a higher draft pick
but if we get Lilja and a GOOD young C we should be vastly improved over last year, at least once they get settled in
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I'd prefer Pouncey in the 2nd also but i believe he goes late 1st.
He is too valuable as an elite center prospect that can play guard. I assume he goes to Indy.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
thats a lot of change and inexperience...
two rookies, a new FA and two players changing position…i dont like it
by KCinAZ on Mar 10, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just wonderin
What makes you think Pioli had a chance to trade down in the last draft?
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Word was he was desperately trying to trade down, And I would suspect he will be trying to do the same thing this year.
ya...the word was that he tried, but couldn't find a trading partner
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
The Lions offered to trade their second first rounder (pick 20 I believe)
not sure what else went along with that, but it must not have been a very good deal. Plus if Pioli was fixated on Tyson, he would’ve likely been gone at that point.
Pioli tried to trade with everyone
And couldn’t pull it off. People just don’t trade up and give good value anymore, the contracts are too expensive.
That trade...
just doesn’t make sense.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Just because Brandon Albert has had one bad half of a year so far..
Why does everyone think that is our #1 need?
He gave up 4.5 sacks as a rookie in the NFL at a new position = pretty dang good
Switched to zone blocking scheme last year, struggled at first, but gave up 0 sacks in the last 6 games.
Looks to me like he’s been doing a pretty decent job, and don’t forget he’s still learning the position.
When picking in the top 5, you have to get an elite player at that position. By my count, there are 4 of those such players – Suh, McCoy, Berry, and Okung. If one of those falls to us (except McCoy) we have to take them. Bulaga is not an elite player in this draft, and absolutely should not be taken at #5.
by KU2010 on Mar 10, 2010 5:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
i agree
with you fully until you include Okung as an ‘elite’ player. most will argue, me included, that he’s only in the discussion because he’s the best this year….if he was compared to other years, he’d look like the second-tier T he is, just like the rest of ‘em. its what we call the ’ugly friend phenomenon.’
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by chief Stevie_k on Mar 10, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
well said
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
disagree entirely
I used to be against Okung but when you really go through and watch him he is very technically sound and he has all the measurables to be great. Yes he only has one year of experience at LT but he is an elite pass blocking prospect that has great upside as a run blocker. He has massive arms and elite athleticism he just is a little raw compared to a Long or Thomas.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
wasn't that chief stevie's point?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
that he's not a long or Thomas?
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
No his point was he's not as talented as those player.
Okung might have more upside then Thomas or Long simply because he is very good already simply on his athletic ability. Once he gets valuable experience he could be the best LT in the league meanwhile Thomas and Long were like Bulaga. They came out of college already maxed of their potential (granted a much higher potential than Bulaga)
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
upside or not
he is not what the chiefs need, and in most other drafts wouldn’t even be considered at #5, regardless of his potential.
i could start a million football teams based on guys who are ‘very good already simply on athletic ability’ and haven’t maxed out their ‘potential.’
matter of fact, i believe we could say the exact same thing about our actual LT, Branden Albert, right now.
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by chief Stevie_k on Mar 10, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
you know 53 million people that have great athletic ability for football? i'm impressed.
But seriously i wasn’t saying the Chiefs need to draft him i was saying he is an Elite LT prospect just needs polished.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
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Albert isn’t a guy that can hang with Harrison, Freeny, the Elite outside linebackers and ends. If you don’t have ends like that, you better have the Tackles that can stomp them.
by tenacious rdc on Mar 10, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
tell that to elvis dumerville.....
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by chief Stevie_k on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
not impressed with okung
he just never stood out in any way like a jake long or joe thomas when i watched him.okung has been playing in a spread offense and he looked rather pedestrian as a run blocker. i think theres only three elite type players in this draft with berry,mcCoy and suh.bulaga is only 20 years old and is still growing as a player who i think is rated right there with okung as one of the 2 best left tackles in this draft.
spread offense?
Wasn’t Ok. St. the leading rushing team in the Big 12 (I know, I know, it’s not saying THAT much, but still)
I didn’t watch more than a half of a couple of okst games, but they sure weren’t throwing as much as everybody else was, and it’s not like they were starting out of a two-point stance like the Texas Tech linemen are..
Correct,
Okie Lite doesn’t play the 6 foot split spread offense. Okung has more upside, but Bulaga coming out of Iowa has a lot more expieirience run blocking.
by tenacious rdc on Mar 10, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Puke!
This is my worst case senario, I don’t want bungaho with his stubby trex arms, he is gonna be a guard at the next level, and u don’t take a guard at 5, I’ll take Berry and address the interior line in the 2nd, sorry but this is who I have a gut feeling they will take and I will feel just like I did last year when they reached for Tyson"whitepants" Jackson, trade back with buffalo then it’s more acceptable but if Berry is there and they sign a verteran OL in free agency I’d be alot for pleased.
by SKyNYrDCHiEF44 on Mar 10, 2010 7:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I believe he is a an excellent candidate for a ZB RT.
Which we could use quite a bit. Yes his arms are somewhat short (2 inches short) but he is very experienced in the ZB scheme and he’s only 20 years old.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think...
we should take him, but I think Buluga will make as a LT in the league.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 10, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
In 2009, Pioli passed on Aaron Curry for Tyson Jackson. In 2010, Rolando McClain out of the picture?
What’s Rolando McClain have to do with Aaron Curry?
Answer: very little. Both play some form of linebacker and are very athletic. What else is there?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 7:14 AM CST reply actions
4-3 and 3-4
Listen, we are getting Berry. We need to put Oline out of the view. Trade for Light, sign Lilja and draft a OLine in Round 3 or 2b.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Was this meant to be a reply to my post?
It actually doesn’t seem to address the McClain/Curry issue.
As for the inevitability of getting Berry, well, he’s definitely a guy I’d love to see in KC, but I don’t think it’s at all advisable to consider it a foregone conclusion. If anything’s certain about the NFL draft, it’s that there’s a lot of uncertainty.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
ewww Matt Light...
No thank you.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
We'll draft McClain
In the 2nd round
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 10, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
You better duck
People are going to be throwing things at you.
But I think there’s a better chance of that than us taking him in round 1.
We’ll see what he does today.
Center Please
We need a center in the worst way, I suspect they would take Maukice Pouncy in the second round (hopefully still there). Dont forget about Colin Brown he might just end up at RG. Albert, Waters and O"Callaghan should stay where they are.
Chiefs are going to surprise alot of people in 2010 !!!!
Why we didn't draft Curry
He was a 4-3 LB. Tyson Jackson filled a need. He was a reach… but listen, everyone agrees drafting a Saftey in the Top 5 is a reach… so why wouldn’t Pioli reach again this year and get Berry??
Man crush on Eric Berry.
If we don't trade down
Then I hope we take Berry if he is still on the board when we draft. It would give us a very formidable secondary.
by Cassel This! on Mar 10, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
SC
Ya trading for a “Safety” is a reach…but Berry isn’t just a safety…he’s a guy who can play any DB position exceptionally. Then there are his intangeables, which we don’t entirely know the extent of…I’m just saying that the reach down for Tyson last year proves that it doesn’t matter what the sports pundits or other teams think. Pioli will go after the guy he thinks scores highest in 3 categories:
1. Fits the “right 53” standard
2. Best player on the board
3. Fills the most critically needed position on the team
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Well to an extent.
Pioli also considers depth of the position drafted. How many 3-4 DE were there last year that could start right away? I can think of 2 maybe? Was Ziggy Hood last year? Anyways if you look at the safety position there are 2 elite safety prospects and then maybe 12 VERY good prospects at safety. The position is so deep that a normal late first rounder like Morgan Burnett is going to fall to the 3rd. Nate Allen would be the best safety in a lot of drafts but he is a mid 2nd prospect in this draft.
Safety is a very big need for us probably our 4th biggest need on the team, however you have to consider:
1. Fits the right 53
2. Best player at a position of need
3. Smallest amount of players at that position to choose from.
If the Chiefs pass on Berry at #5 we can get Nate Allen with 2b and he might even be better. Or we could get Burnett in the 3rd and he’d be a very good starter or Stuckey in the 4th.
If we don’t get Dan Williams at NT then there are 2 other prospects ready to start at NT right away Terrance Cody or Cam Thomas.
If you pass on Rolando McClain you have Brandon Spikes or Micah Johnson (both are huge drops in talent from McClain).
If you pass on Okung and Bulaga its a huge dropoff to the next LT but teams will reach for them because they desperately need them.
This draft is very deep in some positions unfortunately it’s positions we are pretty much set at: CB, DE, RB, and to a lesser extent WR.
The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.
by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 10, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
You don't have to tell me that...
I’m in love with the guy. I’m just saying for those who say that Pioli will “REACH” for another player… most people believe Berry is a reach, so hopefully he does reach for a player in the 2010 draft… just happens to be Berry.
Man crush on Eric Berry.
unfortunately, I think we will take
BULAGA.
Its the safe pick for Pioli.
Assuming of course no QBs are taken before our selection: Suh, McCoy, Okung, and BERRY will all be gone.
McCain? no-show at the combine.
Bryant? no-show at the combine.
Haden? bad-showing at combine.
Not to make the recent combine a deciding factor, but I’m sure it makes an impression.
But if you’re like me, we’re hoping one of those first four picks is a QB – cuz we’re not gunna take one.
by chiefsfan62 on Mar 10, 2010 8:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
McClain and Bryant weren't no-shows
They just didn’t work out at the combine, but they were there. I’m not sure if you usually keep up with the combine, but that’s actually very, very common for top prospects. More often than not, the top guys just do the weigh-in and interviews.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Pioli also doesn't like it
And he’s on the record about it.
actually, I meant to say no-GO at the combine. ;o)
but seriously – what other “top prospects” opted out of participating besides McClain & Bryant?
QBs notwithstanding.
The best thing about your post is the poll...
Because IMO at least, those are the top 5 picks. Almost assuredly.
If Berry is gone, I think we’ll go Okung. I can’t come up with a scenario (barring a trade) where one of them aren’t available.
I know there is a lot of speculation about Baluga, especially with the Pioli/Ferentz connection, but #5 is too early for him. This is coming from a diehard Hawkeye fan, too. I think if somehow Bradford is there at #5 and Pioli can trade back, Baluga becomes an option. At #5, it’s a reach. Probably not a bigger reach than Ty Jackson, but if Pioli wants to reach this year, he’d go with a NT.
Have said it before on here and I will say it again
Please don’t draft Brian Bulaga. I love the guy, but no, this is not a good fit. This draft is ridiculously deep on talented lineman who could play multiple positions. Bulaga will not be a LT in the NFL right now. He will only be a LT if he is given some time to work behind someone. He is a RT at best, RG at worst. He will start, but he is way overvalued at this position in the draft. If he fell to the second round I would take him in a heartbeat, but not at no. 5 overall, not when we have so many other positions in need of retooling.
You and I have had this discussion before
As a fellow Hawkeye fan, I DO think he can be a very good LT.
I also think taking him at #5 is way too high.
If Pioli somehow traded back to the middle of round 1, he’d be a fine selection.
If I remember correctly from our prior conversation, we disagree on how dominant he was in the bowl game?
absolutely agree
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by chief Stevie_k on Mar 10, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Why would we take the 2nd best(next to Okung) player at his position
when we pick 5th, and we have a lot of needs? I just don’t understand it considering its not a glaring need, yeah, the o-line needs to get better. But you don’t have to fix it by throwing a huge contract at a guy who isnt the best at that position in the draft. Albert is our left tackle, and I don’t think they will come out and say that because they don’t want him to feel comfortable.
I believe he has like 3 years left on his contract (correct me if I’m wrong), and he is owed less than a million a year I think. That is unbelievable value for a guy that held down his position pretty damn good the last 1/2 the season.
If we can get a starting center in this draft, and a G later in the rounds that can develop to take over at LG when waters retires. I think that we have done a pretty good job. I believe that the RG is already on our roster. Everything can change if certain guys fall to us in later rounds, but Suh, Berry, McClain, Williams, or even Haden(in that order) I’d like to see before a LT.
1. Are they an upgrade over what we already have?
2. Do they have high football IQ?
3. Can they make a difference from Day 1?
4. Do they have a history of leadership?
5. Sign him up.
t-jax a bigger
reach then bulaga…..tyson jackson was selected by pioli for a reason and i will go with what he believes is the best player for the chiefs…he has the height,weight and quick first step to go along with his huge wingspan to be a force at the 5 tech position. and oklahoma st. sure did pass the ball alot when i seen them play ,so whatever……
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