Expect a Much Better Draft from Scott Pioli in 2010
Last week, I suggested that Scott Pioli maybe needed to show a little bit more urgency this offseason and it seems to have struck a chord--many strongly disagreed and many strongly agreed, but few people seemed to be in-between. The good news is, Pioli has responded. I wouldn't say he responded in a big way, but re-signing Chambers and bringing in Thomas Jones were both solid stopgap moves. I would have liked to have seen a blue-chip second-contract free agent like Dansby or Rolle in the mix too, but I realize those deals may never have been on the table. I'm okay with the Chiefs' offseason so far--I wouldn't endorse it, but I wouldn't criticize it either.
However, even though I haven't been ecstatic about Pioli's free agency track record so far, I also realize that he's the type of GM who would rather build primarily through the draft. Good, because I do too. Granted, I wasn't a big fan of Pioli's 2009 draft. Though I realize drafts take a few years to evaluate, I think a lot of even his biggest supporters will tell you that the 2009 draft wasn't exactly anything to do cartwheels over. Either way, what's past is past and in this case, the past is completely separate from the future because a lot has changed since the 2009 draft. Arrowhead Pride did a great job of updating you on the changes in the Chiefs' personnel department, so I wanted to recap all of those changes in case you forgot.
After the jump, I'm going to list the reasons why there is really strong potential for the 2010 Pioli to tell the 2009 Pioli: "You got served" when it comes to the draft.
- Coaching Changes: As I mentioned in my "controversial" post about Jimmy Clausen a few weeks ago, Scott Pioli has built a reputation on working well with his coaching staff to get the players they want. The scouting process isn't run by one guy; it's a partnership that requires several pieces to fit together. The scouts, the head personnel guys, and the coaches have to all be aligned. Pioli's job is to promote that partnership. If any one piece, including Pioli himself, attempts to usurp power and disrupt that balance, that's when problems arise. Pioli's primary job is to find out what his coaches want, then create a "playbook" for his scouts so they know exactly what to look for. The whole process begins with coaches who have a keen eye for knowing exactly what they want and identifying when they don't have it. Pioli didn't have that last season. Haley was a rookie coach who probably wasn't entirely sure of what identity he wanted to create and he came onto the team pretty late in the draft process. Clancy Pendergast was sort of a miscast Defensive Coordinator putting together a 3-4 defense he may not have been fully equipped to build. The Chiefs now have remarkable eyes for talent on the front lines in Romeo and Weis. That will not only help the Chiefs prioritize their draft needs, it should also help them become smarter about in-house moves. For example, while I am not in favor of moving Branden Albert out of his Left Tackle position, I would feel perfectly comfortable with the move if Charlie Weis doesn't see him there. Same goes with the Quarterback decision.
- Phil Emery, Director of College Scouting: Emery is to the Chiefs what Thomas Dimitroff was to the Patriots and he wasn't there to help in the 2009 Draft. He's the guy managing the front lines of the college scouting operation. He's probably the most influential man that most people know nothing about. But you should, because he has a very impressive resume and he has a lot of experience outside of the Patriot Way which should bring in a new way of thinking. I think he helped build a pretty good young team in Atlanta and it sounds like he's helped spearhead a very aggressive scouting operation in Kansas City so far. Fun fact about Emery: Emery is a Navy guy and most of his early experience was in strength and conditioning. That should tell you a lot about the kinds of guys he's probably going to want for the Chiefs: tough, physical, motivated workers. It will be interesting to see what a conditioning guy thinks about a guy like Terrence Cody. All things to watch out for.
- More Scouts: A while back, Arrowhead Addict did a great exclusive interview with Bob Gretz and he mentioned that Pioli didn't listen to any of the input from Carl Peterson's scouts. If true, then the Chiefs walked into the 2009 Combine with a pretty limited amount of information and fewer evaluators. In my opinion, that was a mistake. I believe area scouting is easily the most underrated, underappreciated element of the draft process. The good news is, Pioli has his own scouts in place and they had a chance to be a part of the process from start to finish. Arrowhead Pride reported on some of these hires a while back. Area scouts these days are so well connected with these prospects that I can't even imagine the level of detail they know about prospects (sorry, Eric Berry. You can't hide from the scouts. They know you love Miley's music). Scouting is very thankless work. I found a really good article that speaks to the life of a scout. I encourage you to read it--it will give you a much greater appreciation for the great work scouts do. It should also help shoo away the misconception that Pioli is some kind of master at evaluating players. Pioli's job isn't to do that. He doesn't have time to do that. His job is to make sure his scouts are collecting useful information and then to make decisions based on that. The last thing I'd want is a GM who didn't listen to his scouts.
- Full-year Uninterrupted: I know this might sound like an excuse, but it does make a very big difference to have a full year with all your scouts in place. I think in this day and age where any one of us can readily pick up a scouting report we found online, the casual fan often assumes that the scouting process consists of Scott Pioli/Coaches reading scouting reports prepared by their personnel guys. That's essentially what Pioli did last year--he didn't have access to the rich information scouts collect through the year, so most of his evaluation was likely largely weighted by the Senior Bowl and combine. It's like this. If I'm a scientist and I've discovered the cure for Cancer, who do you think knows more about what went into finding that cure? Me--the guy who worked tirelessly for years to make the scientific discovery? Or the person who read that report? When Pioli was separated from the Patriots, he was also separated from the "scientists" of the personnel evaluation process. That's not going to be a problem this offseason. The combine period isn't the time for personnel guys like Pioli to discover players and, contrary to popular belief, GMs like Pioli aren't the ones with the most complete information about prospects. The scouts get the inside scoop on prospects before they're coached on how to beat a 40 time and how to give a solid interview.
As you all know, I'm not afraid to speak my mind if I'm not happy with the direction Pioli is moving in. From that standpoint, I'm not guaranteeing Pioli will get the 2010 draft right nor will I excuse him if he doesn't do a better job. However, I do believe that all those points above should contribute to a much better draft in 2010. Let's hope so. Pioli's approach is clearly to build through the draft, so he really needs to hit several home runs. To me, the 2009 Draft was just a hiccup. I have all the confidence in the world that the 2010 draft will be significantly better.
Let's hope I'm right.
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Well said John
Now that Pioli has had a year to evaluate the teams needs, he can pick out those positions that will best help the entire team. Sort of how Jamaal Charles helped improve the offensive line.
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I also think you can’t forget the advantage of watching tape on the current roster for a year. They have a much better idea of what they currently have on the roster.
by groundedchevy on Mar 10, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly!
We all knew what we had in JC and Derrick Johnson, but Pioli/Haley didn’t seem to. I think we have a legitimate chance at the division this year. I love the AFC West!
You may have.
But most people at the start of the season didn’t think JC had anything. They were pulling for LJ to have another productive year or two….
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I was certainly one of those that thought LJ would have a decent season, even tried to trade for him i n my fantasy league after the first few games of his shitty season.
Oh how wrong I was. And now, upon admission of that, my credibility around here is shot as well. If there ever was any.
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We as fans
Are a bit different for this type of thing. We have that Rose colored glasses syndrome where we mix in our hopes with what we think will actually happen.
As much as I wanted him gone at the beginning of the year, I was still hoping he’d have a decent and productive year.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
And it has been a while.
I still post from time to time but I usually am on here when the conversation has dwindled down.
I’ll always jump in to ruffle some feathers in a tebow post though ; ]
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Agreed
I was a little dissapointed we didn’t get any blue-chip guys, but I too realize they probably weren’t the best deal. I’m glad we re-signed Chambers and signed TJ. These moves can only help the team next year.
Overall I don’t think any team has had a better offseason than the Chiefs when you factor in the coaching changes. The draft is going to be huge. It HAS to be better than last years. I’m not one calling last years draft a “bust”, yet, but other than Succop we really didn’t get any help from the rookie crop last year. The rookie’s this year have to have a much bigger impact than last years.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 10, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions
I like what you said about Pioli trying to usurp his power
i know he wont do that, especially with Crennel and Weis on board. He has to give them players to work with that they want. That way there wont be any problems amongst all of them.
Pioli isnt Al Davis and he is going to make the decisions that is right for this football team and the decision is going to be one that im glad i dont have to make. We are probably the most dedicated fanbase and thanks to sites like AP and AA we can scrutinize every little move. 2009 stung alot of Chiefs fans, hopefully all their sleepless nights around the draft board at Arrowhead is going to pay off!
Regardless of who the Chiefs pick at #5 overall, Whitlock will call it the worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. Heres to hoping that #5 pick runs Whitlock out of town.....
Nice illumination of the big picture.
I believe that you are right the Pioli isn’t necessarily the shrewd evaluator of talent that he has been labeled. He is more of a shrewd manager of the sifting device that is a scouting department. Effectively managing this group is where his sucess is derived. Not by studying college game film.
Yeah...but we beat the donkeys like a rented mule.
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I also agree with chicks that last year’s draft can only be effectively evaluated in about 3-4 more years…then we’ll know if it was a bust or not.
However, that’s what makes this year’s draft so exciting.
it’s a partnership that requires several pieces to fit together. The scouts, the head personnel guys, and the coaches have to all be aligned.
We have these pieces in place now and the synergistic upside to this particular group of coaches, scouts and personnel guys working together on the same team for a single draft is absolutely immeasurable!
It may prove to be the best drafting team in any sport, ever…a virtual drafting supernova!
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:06 AM CST reply actions
Keep in mind
They shifted the Defense to a 3-4 that required an overhaul of the front 7. That will take 2-3 years to get all the peices in place. The 09 draft was just the beginning of that.
He also didn’t have as good a feeling of what the team needs are as he does now. The foundation is starting to take shape.
The picks last year did seem a little odd at first but...
…it became clear to me that Pioli was drafting toward the future and stuck to the plan instead of trying to fix the team fast by plugging holes. He grabbed the best player for his plan and this year he will be able to grab a few more. Eventually, and hopfully soon, those picks will start to gel and the true design will be exposed for us to see. He truley is rebuilding the team and isn’t concerning himself with “fixing” positions of “need”. That’s the way it seems to me anyway. We will be a better team for much longer through his plan, IMO.
My bold prediction and I think our best chance at moving down in the 1st. Bret Favre retires, Tavarris Jackson is not retained or leaves and the Vikings trade up, with our beloved Chiefs, for Jimmy Claussen.
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by BigRedChief on Mar 10, 2010 10:11 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
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and rec to Joon on a great read
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 10, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
How...
do we know last years draft was a failure and how are we going to know that this years draft was a success right after it takes place? You said it yourself that we the fans are largely uniformed, just reading general scouting reports on the web. If you expected a lot of production from our class in their rookie year than you had your hopes way too high. I think this years draft will be better because it is perceived that the talent pool is larger and thus it is a deeper draft. It seems that drafts alternate every other year from shallow to deep. That being because a deep draft is usually when a lot of juniors declare early, therefore the next year the Senior class isn’t as strong. I know they are going to make the right decisions, I just hope we can get more draft picks.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
last year's draft
Last year’s draft was Jackson, Cassell, Vrabel, Magee, Succop and a few project types. That could actually be a very good draft if the young DLs pan out.
It’s still quite possible that in the end, we brought in a very good DE, a good starting QB, the leader and role model of the young defense, a useful young DE, a very good kicker, and a guy who started slow and eventually became a useful play (one of the projects.) That would be a fantastic draft, actually.
That could happen, or all of them could not work out and it turns out to be a bad draft. Still way too early to judge yet.
Time will tell, but it hasn’t yet.
by Offense of the 70s on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Great write up Jon
I couldn’t agree more. On a personal note, I’m going into this year’s draft a lot more open minded about who we might take. Last year really caught me off guard. I was pretty bummed out following the draft. This year I’m taking more of a “I can’t wait to see who he takes” approach as opposed to the “He better take this guy” approach that I have had in the past.
That having been said, he better take Berry if he’s there. :-)
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
hint: read UP!
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by aPacificChief on Mar 10, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
lol porkchop
I think there are a lot of us who will be pissed if he doesn’t take Berry…it’s a position of great need and there’s a guy there that will be better than any other DB for the next couple of years.
That being said, I’m totally prepared to be surprised. I’m sure that at least 1 draft pick will confuse the heck out of me…but it should be interesting watching that player develop over the next 3-5 years.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
gifted
I’m totally prepared to be surprised. I’m sure that at least 1 draft pick will confuse the heck out of me
that’s not hard to do, a LOT of things confuse you :)
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
but you're right...lol
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
someone last night (stag or kabrink) said the sarcasm font is overused ...
and I *always* listen to stag and kabrink because they know so much more than I could ever hope to know about all things and if you believe this I have some oceanfront property in Iowa to sell you and ...
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I would never say the sarcasm font is overused
it is my best (and only?) tool
You sometimes learn something everyday.
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Jon, another in a long line of excellent posts from you, as we at AP have come to expect
I love reading your posts because you’re insightful, in-depth and you make no excuses for your reasoning … awesome stuff! I may not always AGREE with you (Clausen) but I do appreciate your work
I do think we all “expect” a better draft this year, and your post shows in clear detail why there’s no question of that … it does upset me (still) that Pioli would NOT listen to the “leftover” scouts LAST year … this year, at least, that won’t be an issue
in terms of his efforts on FA, you said you’re “ok” with it (not great but not bad) … I’m a bit more “forgiving” on it, actually, but then I’ve never been a “Big Name Free Agent” guy myself, so I think what he’s done already is on the “plus” side of average (if he signs Ryan Lilja I’ll give him an A for the FA season)
as for the upcoming draft itself, there’s (almost) no way he could screw it up, with so much talent available at so many positions, the draft being so deep, and the team having so many needs … and he WILL have Crennel and Weis in his ear (I get a mental image of Pioli on draft day with a tiny little Crennel Devil on one shoulder and a tiny little Weis Angel on the other, both whispering in his ear – “pick Berry!” “don’t listen to Romeo, get Okung!” “Berry, go ahead, you know you wanna” “YOU’LL be sorry!” “Berry Koolaid” “Cassel on his back, think about it!”)
whatever happens, however it goes … as long as he fills the holes and the team improves, we’re golden!
thanks for ALL your hard work, Jon!
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by upamtn on Mar 10, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
nice word picture
Pioli on draft day with a tiny little Crennel Devil on one shoulder and a tiny little Weis Angel on the other, both whispering in his ear – "pick Berry!" "don’t listen to Romeo, get Okung!" "Berry, go ahead, you know you wanna" "YOU’LL be sorry!" "Berry Koolaid" "Cassel on his back, think about it!"
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
ty gifted ... but yeah, I can just see it
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 10, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd Ups.
I don’t even have to leave a comment because you just summed up what I was going to say. Thanks.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 10, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
ty RGB ... wasn't difficult, really, because Jon did it for all of us
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good post and rec'd
I’ve had the same feelings on this issue, but you actually did some searching and reasoning then eloquently put it down in writing.
I will say that I’m not unhappy with last years draft.
I believe all will improve with proper coaching and development, which I believe we now have, along with having a full season under their belt.
Rd. 1- Tyson Jackson, he played exceptionally at times last season, especially in the last part of the year. Once he began getting tutored by Anthony Pleasant, his production went up, now Mr. Pleasant is his full time D-line coach. Get some improved NT play and I think we’ll really see why we spent the #3 pick on Jackson.
Rd. 2- (Trade) Cassel/Vrabel, can’t forget about this. An offensive and defensive leader for a second round pick. Their play isn’t too shabby either.
Rd. 3- Alex Magee, depth on the d-line is key. The big-uglies don’t start the whole game. How long did Jarvis Moss play the reserve role in New England? Moss was a vital part to their success. Magee, although he obviously didn’t blow me away, did nothing to disappoint me.
Rd. 4- Donald Washington, he flashed that raw potential. I really believe that Emmit Thomas is going to do wonders for him and Carr.
Rd. 5- Colin Brown, he got hurt so it’s unfair to analyze him. He’s like an extra rookie this year.
Rd. 6- Quinten Lawrence, he showed off his speed, made some good plays. We’ll see if he shakes out this year and is able to make the team. I almost see him as a pet project of wide receiver fanatic Todd Haley’s.
Rd. 7- Javarris Williams, the draft pick I was least impressed by. He’s got the measurables, he seems to have the speed, but he showed absolutely no vision. I’m hoping that he might improve with improved O-line play.
Rd. 7- Jake O’Connell, he really came on at the end of the year. Definitely had some growing pains getting started, but I’m looking forward to his improvement after learning the ropes.
Rd. 7- Ryan Succop, we’ve found our answer at kicker. How long have we been searching for that? Since Nick Lowery left.
*Acquiring 2010 2nd Rd pick for Tony Gonzalez
How many teams can say that they have their entire 2009 draft class still on their roster?
I do believe that the 2010 draft will offer more in terms of immediate impact players, but overall 2009 was pretty good.
Jarvis Green
Moss went to Florida and was drafted in the first by Denver a couple years ago. Green went to LSU and has been in the league a number of years.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I was optimistic last year until I saw the rumors about Tyson Jackson.
I’ve achieved a higher level of optimism this year, mostly because this draft has a lot of guys at positions KC could really use, and lots of them should be available at the #5 pick without being reaches.
To me, it looks like Pioli would actually have to try pretty hard to screw this one up.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 10:36 AM CST reply actions
My only quibble
It might still be too early to say Crennel and Weiss are entrenched in the process. They were brought on during the offseason and will probably not be fully entrenched into the draft until 2011. That being said, I am sure they will still have a voice in the war room and I think they have been here long enough to at least have some ideas.
I like Pioli and am mixed on Haley so maybe I am too positive but I really like the direction this team is headed in.
by KC_HAWKEYE on Mar 10, 2010 10:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
At least they are there pre-combine and
the scouts can show them tape of the guys they like the most so they can make at least informed opinions of the guys…go to their pro days and if need be visit with the guys they are interested in.
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Good Post Jon, Rec'd
If you gather together all the quality ingredients, you can make a pretty damn good cake.
Between coaching, scouting & attentive students our future does have a little more light shining through.
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
Conveyed a similar sentiment regarding having your own scouts in place
Which I made a fanshot out of… I couldn’t agree more with you, Jon. Rectified!
Seems to me like more weight should be placed behind the idea behind having your own, like-minded scouts in place that know the types of players you’re already looking for. It’s been beaten to death around here whether the success of Pioli’s first draft as our GM should be asterisked by the fact the he did not have his own scouts in place — guys that had a clear map of the team’s needs based on Pioli’s vision. Quotes like the one below made by Harbaugh lead me to believe that GMs have to trust their scouts more than we (or I) thought. And it is important to be on the same page with them in all facets of how personnel is to be evaluated and what the guys building the football team want in their players.
“You’re not going to come out of here after a 15-minute interview and say, ‘okay, I know this guy inside and out,’” Harbaugh continued. “I kind of think that (the Combine) is like a meet and greet. We’re going to meet and greet 60 guys as coaches. Our area scouts have known these guys throughout their whole careers, but now (the coaches) get a chance to shake hands and the process begins for us.”
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I guess I should say "coaches and GMs", considering Harbaugh isn't a GM.
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by ArrowSpread on Mar 10, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
That should be easy
Based on last years draft, choosing players blindfolded could possibly yield better results than last year.
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I look at it from this standpoint:
We switched offensive blocking schemes last year with an offensive coordinator who was wearing too many hats. We improved near the end, but it’s not stellar. Interior help is needed. Offensive weapons are set, outside of another receiver.
So we fix defense early. Outside of CB and DE, we need help. Pioli knows this now, as opposed to last year, when there was little idea as to what/where guys could play in a new 3-4 defense. It was a crapshoot as to who we’d need last year, so he took the most solid 3-4 DE he could. I have no qualms with that. He picked Magee in case Dorsey didn’t work out. I have no qualms with that either.
This year, he’s observed who didn’t work out and where the weaknesses are. I’ll be fully behind S, ILB, OLB, and NT…whomever they may be. Positional value is important to this team right now, and I think he proved last year that he’s not afraid to draft as such.
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how do you say this years will be better when you don't even know how last years was yet?
But I agree there’s plenty of reason to think everyone is more prepared and that makes for a good discussion.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM CST reply actions
I expect a much better draft--but last year's sucked
Ty Jackson, we hope can play
Magee (see Ty Jax)
D Wash, he sucked
C Brown all reports were he wasn’t going to make the team so he got “hurt” mysteriously and went on the "taxi squad’
Lawrence can’t run a route or catch a cold
O’Connell only his hands are worse than his blocking
Jav…not even worth finishing his name
Succop, finally a kicker
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by giftedchiefsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Patience
It’s proven on a yearly basis that you can’t accurately judge a draft after just one year.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Re: Patience
I think there are plenty of question marks to ask.
For Tyson Jackson to be selected as a 5-technique 3-4 DE that high, he had better be Richard Seymour to justify the value. That’s tough as it is, and I don’t think he’s flashed anything that leads us to believe that’s the case. I think he’ll be fine, but I don’t think he’ll ever justify the high value.-wait and see, but in early action, was dominated against Cleveland when he had a chance to get quality reps
-Magee
Donald Washington-wait and see
Colin Brown-wait and see, but looking to be a project
Quenten Lawrence-got a very long way to go
Jake O’Connell-Maybe he gets better, but considering they traded up to get him, he better get a lot better
Javarris Williams-wait and see, but it concerns me a lot that he, as a RB, got so much of a workload in college. It’s almost like drafting a 25-year old RB.
Succop-great pick, of course
They got a great kicker. And with the #3 pick, they went very conservative. And while the trade for Cassel may work out, that shouldn’t be reflected in draft prowess. While it takes time to evaluate a draft, it’s looking a little scary. It’s not like we’re talking about building depth. We took a lot of projects that have not only looked shaky, they’ve looked downright terrible. There’s a very good chance that the majority of these guys aren’t even on the roster a few years from now. And there’s a very good chance that the only two that will emerge as major starters are Tyson Jackson and Ryan Succop. For this to be considered even an average draft, Jackson is going to have to be Richard Seymour, in my opinion.
The trade
“And while the trade for Cassel may work out, that shouldn’t be reflected in draft prowess.”
But it absolutely should be included in evaluating the value we get from that draft. Cassel and Vrabel were what we got from our #2 pick.
by Offense of the 70s on Mar 10, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
You've really come to a conclusion too soon
“For this to be considered even an average draft, Jackson is going to have to be Richard Seymour, in my opinion.” says it all.
And like the other poster, you absolutely have to include the trade. That was a high 2nd round pick, you can’t just throw it out while still expecting a full stable of draft talent. The most common short-sightedness in the “immediate draft grading” is that these “experts” grade based on quantity rather than quality. That’s why people initially liked our 2008 draft so much. People always give low grades to drafts with few draft picks because they ignore what they got for those traded picks and don’t understand statistics.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Mar 10, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I give Pioli a major pass on last years draft
He didn’t have his scouts or the greatest knowledge of what he inherited…but six out of the eight draftees going in their second season seen as projects at best does not bode well for that class. I would be surprised if any of the six but Magee even makes the team.
I wouldn’t totally buy Gretz’s point that Pioli “ignored” the Chief scouts. He doesn’t know what Pioli was thinking, and he has an agenda against Pioli for firing him from kcchiefs.com, so every once in a while he’ll “tweak” him. He bases that entire argument on Pioli selecting Colin Brown, who wasn’t on the Chief’s scout’s board that Gretz talked to. That’s flimsy evidence that he “ignored” the Chiefs scouts.
Like others have stated, it’s Waaaaaaaay to early to define the 2009 draft. I think T-Jax will be exactly what they thought he’d be. He was showing it by the end of the season. Magee was drafted for insurance, in case Dorsey didn’t make the transition well to 3-4 DE. But he did, so now Magee can be our Jarvis Green at a fraction of the cost.
Donald Washington was a long term, physical package prospect, so who knows.
Colin Brown- Injured, so who knows. If it was a “fake” injury, then the chiefs must have seen something they liked well enough to not risk losing him on waivers in an attempt to get him to the PS.
Lawrence has tremendous speed, and is a long term project that needs to develop agressiveness.
Williams probably is one and done at RB.
O’Connell is similar to Washington and Lawrence. Physical talent, long term project that Haley clearly likes. Showed his athleticism with a punt block.
Succop was the best value pick in the 2009 draft.
Overall, I am very optimistic about the 2009 draft.
In 2010, the only way Pioli can blow it is drafting a LT at #5, but I don’t think he’ll do that, with at least 1 of Berry, Suh, Dan Williams, or McClain on the board at #5, any of which would fill a major need, unlike LT.
judging too early
i loved the drafting of tyson jackson as well as alex magee…pioli didnt just settle for jackson he liked him from pretty much the get go and magee was rated the #1 or #2 best defensive tackle going in to his senior year but had to play de position instead because of injurys . and anyone who takes bob gretz opinion on football is like listening to bill williamson of espn,they waffle back and forth and can never settle on one thing. gretz was the one who screwed up derrick thomas first induction into the hall of fame, and i wouldnt trust the guy to change the oil in my car.
pioli
was wanting to trade up in the third last year to get washington from ohio st. but he happened to fall in the top of the fourth rd., counting matt cassel a young talented qb, im pleased with it and how many drafts in new england had everyone scratching there heads but they usually hit on a good portion of there picks.
Thanks
I assume you know what you are saying :)
Washington is 21 now? Can’t go wrong with getting them in early and keep coaching em.
Thomas should have plenty of knowledge to pass on, maybe in the 4th we need another DB to put in the Chiefs DB academy! We did steal the kid from Philly late last year :)
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 10, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
$5 million dollars a year
I’m late into the blog but at $5 million dollars a year and even though Pioli was not working for the Chiefs until February, I can’t give Pioli a free pass on last year’s draft. I give him a nd A on Succop, B on Jackson, Cassell, and Vrabel and a D on Magee, Washington, Brown, Lawrence, and O’Connell. By college standards he graded out as a D+. (2.75). Let’s hope we get more out of this draft. Anything less will be a diaster to the rebuilding process.
by NFL season ticket holder on Mar 10, 2010 8:25 PM CST reply actions

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