Trading Down From Five Could Be Tough For The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Feb 9, 2010 10:04 AM CST
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I've been saying that the best opportunity for the Kansas City Chiefs to trade down in the NFL Draft is if no quarterbacks are selected before them. In that scenario, the Chiefs would be sitting at No. 5 with all quarterbacks available ready and willing to accept a trade down.
Generally, a quarterback is only the position a team will trade up into the top five of the draft for. Last season, the Jets moved up the No. 5 spot for Sanchez, so teams are willing to move into the top five for the right guy.
Jason Reid of the Washington Post cites a league source who says the Redskins might be willing to pull the trigger on a quarterback with the 4th pick, right before the Chiefs.
The offensive line would seem to be an obvious place to start for Allen and Shanahan, especially with the expected retirement of Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels because of a severe neck injury. But Shanahan is eager to draft and develop a young quarterback, a league source familiar with his thinking said recently, and former Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford has been linked with the Redskins in most early mock drafts. Former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen also often has been listed as a possible top pick of the Redskins.
We're a long, long way from knowing anything solid information about the Chiefs and other teams, but I do know trade down scenarios will be much, much easier if a quarterback is available.
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Like I've said before
It would actually benefit us if Bradford or Clausen was off of the board when our pick comes up. I’ve read from many sources that the Seahawks will be taking a quarterback, and if only Bradford or Clausen are available at 5, and another team wants them, they will pretty much have to trade with us to get the #5 pick so they can draft them before the Seahawks do.
interesting point
the problem would come IF StL drafts a QB, and then Washington drafts the other.
No top QBs on the board, little trade down possibilities.
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
yeah
The league source doesn’t make a lot of sense? Why would someone trade for the #4 pick to jump ahead of the chiefs, when the chiefs have no reason to draft a QB?
I agree. If both QBs are available why would someone trade up with us?
If only one is left, then it makes more sense.
especially if the redskins pick bradford
and another team really wants clausen.
I think
If either Bradford of Clausen is available someone will want to leapfrog Seattle (Talking to you Browns, Bills, Broncos, Jacksonville)
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
But if they're both gone
(Rams take Clausen, Redskins take Bradford) then I think it’s a near impossibility.
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
I would love to see that
Both QBs gone by Pick #5 means that there is a strong chance of Eric Berry being there at #5 :-)
Man crush on Eric Berry.
Meh
I don’t think anything the Chiefs do at #5 is going to be wrong. So really, all this speculation is for naught
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
I agree completely.
One of those QB’s will be available @ #5 , not sure who. Pioli will be prepared nonetheless.
No way
Keep the pick and select our new franchise LB McClain. He won’t last too far in the draft. He has more value than a 15-20 pick and more later round picks that could be had via a trade down.
We already have 2 2nd rounders and 3 5th rounders. We don’t want another Herm college team running around. Come on guys.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 9, 2010 10:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions
move down a few spots
you could still get McClain
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
All of the potential trade partners
are in the top 11 picks of the draft.
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
No you do
If you can’t see that McClain is worth a 5 pick…you don’t know talent.
Plus safeties are more of a reach at 5 than LB.
And we have two very capable Tackles right now.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 9, 2010 11:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Don't know talent?"
First, how many games have you watched of Alabama not including the national championship game, because everyone on this board I assume watched that game.
I’ve only watched two others, and he wasn’t that impressive to me. Sure, he can sack the QB when he comes free on a blitz, or can tackle the rb in the backfield when he isn’t blocked, but that’s not special, Corey Mays can do that.
Here’s a wonderful break down from someone who broke down every single play within a six-game window that he watched. it’s worth a read if you want to draft him so high.
You’ve got blinders on. 5 is too high for an ILB.
I disagree…it depends on what you get at #5. If a #5 pick turns into a franchise stud, he was worth the pick, regardless of position. What we should be discussing is if we think McClain, or Berry, or Okung, or whoever, has the potential to become a franchise player.
As far as 5 being too high for an ILB – there was a certain ILB drafted with the 5th overall pick in 1990. And he turned out to be worth that pick, without a doubt.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Meh.
The #5 in 1990 was nothing.
Now, the #4 pick in 1989, that’s another matter all together.
But the #4 pick in 1989 wasn't an ILB
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I know that.
But who freaking cares, it was DT.
Berry v. McClain
You know…I wouldn’t be upset at all if we took McClain, especially with a trade down. But, I’ve watched both McClain and Berry’s highlight real and it goes something like this….
McClain…meh….kinda boring…but I guess the scouts see more than I do.
Berry…Holy Jesus! Is that even humanly possible? Sign that superhero yesterday!
You see my dilemma?
by MasterBlaster7 on Feb 9, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
If our guy is available at 5
I’m talking Pioli’s guy. He may not trade down at all. Unless of course an offer he could’nt refuse. We have some many positions to fill, I just can’t see him turning down 2 for the price of 1 offers.
What did the Jets give up last year to move to #5?
And where were they moving up from?
I think that might give us a better idea of what we could expect to receive.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Feb 9, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions
They traded with the Browns
From pick 17 to pick 5 for their first and second round picks.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 9, 2010 10:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and some players
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
I didn't see anything about players mentioned
The Browns traded the Jets pick to the Bucs, was that maybe when the players were exchanged?
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
Mangini got some old players from the Jets.
don’t remember the exact circumstances.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
My 21 year old girlfriend ruined the term "lol" for me.
She types “lol” after everything which annoys me so I in turn, never put “lol”.
I actually “laughed out loud” at that comment.
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by craig in calgary on Feb 9, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Pic of what?
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Feb 9, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I like our options
Here’s my favorite options in order:
1) Trade down and pick up another second rounder. I belive this can be done if at least one of the QBs is on the board but hopefully both.
2) If both QBs are gone & we can’t trade, Eric Berry is likely available.
3) If there are no trade options & Berry is gone, I want McClain
I think any of those three are pretty decent options. We could also try to force a trade by picking a QB if we know some people really covet him, although I think this is unlikely.
If there is a chance of trading down...
I think pioli pulls the trigger, even if its at a pretty steeply reduced price. An extra 2nd would be huge for moving back 5 spots, heck I could even see us doing it for a 3rd and 4th, this is a deep draft, and I think I remember pioli mentioning that he was trying to trade out last yaer for a significantly reduced price from the normal trade chart.
That said I think if we can’t trade down we have either berry or mclain tied up, and I am happy with either pick personally. I think one or the other is happening with some degree of certainty.
Walter JOnes LT for the Seahawks
Just tweeted that he will retire, this may put more pressure on Hawks to draft LT instead of QB and would decrease our chance of trading down
He wasn't even on the depth chart by seasons end
I didn’t think…
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
Wow, that's big news
He may feel he wants to retire rather than play and rebuild too. Interesting. That could be an interesting turn of events. So much time until the draft. More will change.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
I think Berry could be a player that teams would trade up to take.
I like Berry, but I think getting extra picks would be worth trading out of the pick.
Trade up instead
Let’s trade up with St. Louis for the #1 pick. Then we can take Suh…and they can still have a QB at #5.
I think we should trade back...
to the 1989 draft and pick Derrick Thomas. He could be good.
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
No way
The guy has “bust” written all over him.
Could we get the '88 draft while we're at it.
I hear it had some good #3 prospects.
I believe the Rams or Redskins may be going after ...
Michael Vick which will ensure one of the top 2 QB is available at pick #5. If one team believe in getting a better QB next year and wants a quick fix that would improve their team at a fairly low cost while creating some sort of “talks” from the fan base, Vick is an option not to forget.
I see the Rams going for Vick hoping that they get the “old” Vick (the player) which will help them sell tickets and the Redskins because it’s well documented how much Shanahan (the squirrel) likes mobile QB and how much Dan Snyder likes waves during free agency.
All this would mean we could still trade down … even with the Seahawks :) … and not sure the Dolphins are that high on Chad Henne …
If either of those teams
go after Vick then Spagnuolo and Shannahan have both lost their fucking marbles and should be fired on the spot.
So full of sh*t that toilet bowls have to wipe.
Moving up/down will still happen this draft.
I just think it will be different. With fewer free agents hitting the market and more teams wanting to hold on to their draft picks, I think moving up or down will involve trading players more so than multiple picks. That could help us as well. Say we could pick up a solid offensive lineman plus a pick to move back a few spots. That would fill a gap, give us an extra pick, and not cost the other team an extra valued pick or two. There will be a lot of creativity I believe, and it is good we have Pioli for that.
I'm pretty sure the Dolphins are fine with Henne
Yeah he had some miscues here and there but he also was ballin the other half of the time. Never really saw him SUCK. I think he’ll end up being pretty good so don’t see them moving up.
by King of the Cassel on Feb 9, 2010 1:21 PM CST reply actions
I think the most likely option is a trade-down with Seattle
I don’t see the Hawks interested in DogKiller, and they have strong need for BOTH a new QB and a franchise LT. We could offer them the chance to get both in the same draft, and KC could reap a nice harvest of 2nd & later round picks in 2010 and 2011 if the Seahawks are interested. We would have some potential leverage b/c Buffalo at the 9th slot might be willing to trade up to get a QB. The downside is we certainly lose the chance at Berry, possibly lose out on McClain but maybe not depending on what Miami does. I posted on it last night in a FanPost thread.
This is my hope!
1-Rams-Suh
2-Lions-McCoy
3-Bucs-Berry
4-Redskins-Okung
5-Bills-Claussen
6-Seahawks-Bradford
7-Browns-Dez Bryant
8-Raiders-Trent Williams
9-Chiefs-Joe Hadan
that's the most plausible trade-down scenario I've seen
Bills want to move up, but getting to #7 at the Brown’s pick only gets them the 2nd choice of the 2 QBs. Going up to #5 gets them their pick of the 2.
Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "...And like all my plans, it's so simple an idiot could have devised it!"
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 10, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
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