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Hey everyone, I'm back again to do a small breakdown of another play that seemed to torch us over and over again. The first one focused on the TE Post that burned us repeatedly.  Now I look at another:  the simple Off-Tackle running play.  Sure, it seems like an easy enough thing to game plan around and organize, especially when the opposition's QB can't seem to throw the ball (*ahem*Browns*ahem*).  With that said, let's go through these plays and see what exactly went wrong.

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Touchdown #1 - Rashad Jennings, JAX

The Lineup:

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It's our standard 3-4.  JAX has just shifted a TE in motion to line up directly in front of Tamba.  This has brought Flowers in from the top and Mike Brown into the box.  Circled are Glenn Dorsey (yellow) and Demorrio Williams (red).  Mays is the other ILB, with Vrabel, TJ, Edwards, and Tamba being the other players on the line.  TJ, Edwards, and Dorsey (for those who don't know) should be taking up as many blockers as they can so the ILB's and SS can fill the hole and make the tackle.  Tamba and Vrabel's job is to have outside contain and force the rusher back into the pile.

The Snap:

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Okay, after the snap gives us a little better idea how it's going to develop.  Tamba and Vrabel have their matchups and are going to shove them into the backfield.  Because the motioning TE is showing no signs of a pass play, Mike Brown can switch to playing the run.  Demorrio has already begun to take steps towards stopping the run as well.  In the trenches, Dorsey has successfully reined in two blockers.  TJ only has one, but it happens to be the only one he can get to.  Edwards had two guys to be responsible for (blue and green lines), and as you can see, the center has come free.  As Dorsey has both the guard and the tackle, Edwards should have been playing the center and right guard.  Instead, he's picked up the guard, leaving the center free, which happens to be on the side where another D-lineman can't help.  This is bad news for Corey Mays.

The Handoff:

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Tamba gets the outside contain he wants, and since the fullback is running towards the hole, Brown steps up to fill it.  Demorrio is also moving in that direction behind Dorsey.  Corey Mays has the free center all over him, essentially taking him out of the play.  The backside of our defense doesn't look too great, either, with TJ getting moved out of the play, although Flowers is there to make a stop if it goes that direction.  Dorsey's still holding his own on his two blockers, but Edwards (trying to get to the RB) has shifted towards Dorsey with his blocker.  More on this in the next picture.

The Breakaway:

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Edwards plows into Dorsey and his two blockers, freeing one to turn on Demorrio and seal him out of the hole (hard to see, but he's there).  The FB seals Brown out of the hole, and since Mays has been blown out of the play, the only man with a real shot at Jennings is Tamba from behind.  Needless to say, that didn't happen.  Jennings hits the hole and scampers untouched for a TD.  Unfortunately, this one's on our NT.

 

Touchdown #2 - Jerome Harrison, CLE

The Lineup:

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Once again, the standard 3-4 lineup, except Dion Gales replacing Dorsey.  Gales is circled in yellow, Mike Brown in red.  Carr has no split WR, but he's watching the outside TE in the case of a pass play.  Brown is kind of in a "free" mode at this point.  ILBs are still Mays and Demorrio.

The Snap:

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Carr, recognizing a run play, moves forward to cover the hole between TJ and Vrabel.  Demorrio and Mays shift towards the point of attack, and Brown searches for where the hole will develop.  On this play, the center has pulled to take on Tamba, leaving Edwards and Gales with 1-on-1 matchups.  TJ eats both the guard and tackle, and right off the snap has gotten some decent penetration.  Gales has started to be pancaked by the LT, creating an obstacle in the hole.

The Post-Handoff:

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The ball-carrier is behind TJ in this picture...circled in brown, but didn't show up so well.  Carr moves up towards the point of attack.  Demorrio and Mays seem a little hesitant and...confused?...by the Gales roadblock in front of them, so they ease up.  Mike Brown once again takes on the FB (seriously, he does this a TON for us) and gets shoved out of the hole.  Tamba gets his good outside contain, forcing Harrison back towards the tackle.  Edwards, once again moves towards the hole with his man, actually able to string him along.  TJ switches off the double team to move towards the ball carrier.  Gales, officially pancaked, is out of the play.

The Breakthrough:

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Carr gets there a little late, and in behind the widebodies, is unable to make a tackle.  Mays and Demorrio both get wrong-footed by Harrison's cutback...and being on the other side of the pancake block, they are unable to make the tackle.  Brown, still sealed by the FB is unable to make the tackle.  Edwards gets sealed off by his man and TJ's way on the backside of the play.  Vrabel pursues, but is too far away to make anything happen, and Tamba's behind the play.  Unfortunately, Gales (from his position on the ground) is in just as good of shape as anyone to make the tackle.  Everyone who should be making this tackle is out of position with Harrison cuts back and he takes it to the house.

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Now obviously, these are just two examples of home-run plays for the other team, but after watching through the games for my post-season grades, I've found that these sorts of errors happen more often than they'd certainly like.  The team simply isn't good enough to handle multiple mistakes up the gut of the defense.

The first play is on Edwards.  He essentially took out both of our ILBs by letting the center go free and by bumping the tackle out in the hole.  Too often this year he'd let that guard or center run free...usually at Corey Mays, effectively removing him from the play.

The second is on a backup DE and our ILB's.  Gales gets pancaked, and that's never good...but it was the indecision of the ILB's that led to the TD.  They've got to step up and hit strong at the point of attack, or at least get in to fill the hole while the rest of the defense pursues.

The Denver game was better.  Edwards held his own, and Demorrio was better at getting to the hole to make the stop.  Unfortunately, that was the exception, not the norm.  In an ideal world, we've got a NT that is a beast and always picks up the double.  When the center or guard pulls, he's quick enough to get into the backfield and disrupt the play.  We'd have ILB's that jump up and fill the holes as  they pop up, rather than after the RB is through them.  And as long as we're dreaming, beer would be free, too. =)

With Romeo stepping in, I'd like to think these deficiencies will be addressed, either with our players or new acquisitions.  He can't allow the gut of this team to continue to be this soft.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Great Job Kalo!

Just goes to prove even more that what we have said about getting a premiere NT should be on the very top of our list of priorities this offseason. Improvement in that one spot will change the entire defense for the better.

Of course, we need help at ILB as well but, NT should be the biggest upgrade for us.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Feb 5, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

fantastic analysis

it goes to show you why Football in general, especially defense, is the ultimate team sport.

ONE guy “falls down on the job” and the corresponding dominos lead to TDs.

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters

by stagdsp on Feb 5, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Awesome Job. Thanks for the analysis. If Dorsey had been in on the second play, in your opinion, would the outcome have been different?

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and say

That has Dorsey been in against Cleveland, we don’t lose that game. Mike Brown, Demorrio, and Mays had so many free linemen all over them because Edwards and Gales weren’t picking up multiples.

TJ was hands down our best DL that day.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess that’s some consolation. Games like this should silence the people that think Dorsey still isn’t improving.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Feb 5, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Awesome analysis!

I think we all knew we had NT and DE depth problems but this really illustrates it in living color.

I think most of us agree NT is the team’s biggest offseason need. But I’d love to see Pioli address ILB depth as well.

by Aesthetist on Feb 5, 2010 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent write up!

With the addition of Ro’ McClain and Cody, Williams, or Wilfork, we should have the talent level to help stop these home run plays.

Btw…I hate to see that about Gales. I really want him to succeed with us.

Also a question for Kalo….are you a coach? You break down plays really well.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Feb 5, 2010 10:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Nope.

Not a coach, just a fan.

I like doing this stuff…it’s easy to say “that guy should’ve gone here”. The arbitrary grading I’ve done is harder to do.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

excellent stuff Kalo rec

if we give up 80 yd and 30 yd runs in most games. Our d is going to look like it does statwise. Just imagine if we could remove those “BIG” plays our rushing yds per game might drop 80 per. We would be in the upper half of the league stat wise. Now the Pass defense is a whole nother kettle of fish.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 5, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

It's funny how

Every guy on the field effects every guy he is around. It’s like a game of dominos…one guy screws his assignment and everyone looks bad.
It’s very important we can build that trust among one another. That band of brothers feel. That fight for one another attitude. That helps a lot in becoming a winning team.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Feb 5, 2010 10:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

agreed...

if you were to take out the big runs and passes, maybe only the 4 biggest plays each game… I bet the defense is AT LEAST middle of the pack.

I know, in reality, you never completely eliminate those plays, but in 2010, if they are the exception, not the norm, this team has a good chance

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters

by stagdsp on Feb 5, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Not only do those big plays put points on the board for the opponent, it deflates the defensive momentum. When your working so hard to stop the other team and then ‘boom’ 50yrd td run….it kills you. More than likely takes any motivation you had and trashes it.

If we can keep defensive momentum and confidence throughout the game only giving up very hard very earned points, I think it could really vault us to the higher middle of the NFL in team defense. Romeo Crennel will make an immediate impact with us…IMO

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Feb 5, 2010 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

IMO

If it interest you, you should get in to coaching. What you just did is pretty much what a quality control coach does. Breaking down film.

Anyways I am glad we have you here at AP. You do a great job!

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Feb 5, 2010 10:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Another great post Kalo.

Rec’d

Question for you: In breaking these plays down did you feel like Brown was taken out of the plays because he’s not strong enough to do the job or because someone else should of picked up the FB leaving him free to make the tackle?

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by KCporkchop on Feb 5, 2010 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

It's hard to say.

I think they play him a little more like an ILB against the run, just from watching tape. It’s kind of a “whoever gets there first, take the blocking back” sort of situation, but that’s just me watching the tape…could be a different plan on paper. None of those three is especially good at shedding the FB, but yeah, Brown’s the least of the three at it.

Brown finds his way to the hole quicker than Mays or Belcher, and he and DeMorrio are about 50/50 at who gets there first. Brown’s still got the quick first step to the line that he had as an All-Pro, he’s just not quite as fast after that.

Personally, I think a quicker ILB (or two) would’ve done wonders for Brown. Someone else to hit the hole first and take the blocker, then have him right behind it. If you’ll notice in both of those plays, he’s in the hole WAY before the LB’s or the RB is. Someone beating him there with him following would lead to a lot more TFL’s or no gain runs.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

An upgrade at ILB would be nice

but I think Mays and Williams could be a solid tandem at ILB if we solve the NT problem. They make a good pair, with Mays being more stout against the run, and Williams better in coverage.

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by PVChiefsfan on Feb 5, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, a NT would do wonders for that group.

But I liked the DJ/Williams pairing that Clancy trotted out against Denver. It helped that Edwards had probably his best game of the season, but I’d been hoping for that arrangement for awhile.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Denver was a shadow of itself after injuries to their O-Line.

I agree with PVChiefsfan that our ILB corps is instantly upgraded with upgrade on D-Line. NT, for sure, and (sorry, Matt) somebody better than Gales has been. But I’d be OK with Gales growing into the job, as long as he develops more functional speed (Could be it’s just his brain holding him back). Magee has some growing to do, too, although I think he’d be a lot closer to Jackson’s and Dorsey’s level of play right now, if he’d had more minutes under game conditions.

I think all our LBs do better, when the D’s stated intentions in the huddle actually happen after the snap, and the NT doesn’t get driven outta the play by a lone G or our RDE doesn’t get pancaked. In those situations, the RB’s for choice and the LB’s face Hobson’s choices.

Agree with comments on Brown, also. Clearly he’s exceptional in terms of reading, anticipating, and never wasting his first step in indecision. And there are LBs in this league who waste less time on indecision than ours have.

Also interesting to note the coaching backdrop to the whole thing. Pleasant stepping-up to D-Line, after 2009 hiring as a minority fellowship coach. Krumrie gone. Former New England D-Lineman (‘01-’03) and New England DC (with DL roots) working with the DL, now. I’m looking for both infusion of more talent AND more obvious “good coaching” telltales from the 2010 squad. In fairness to Krumrie, he was coaching either rookies, or veterans in new positions. And I think Dorsey and Jackson got after it. But the elevation of Pleasant says maybe he did ’em more good than Krumrie did.

by hmills110 on Feb 5, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrecked

Awesome job Kalo. I really noticed the difference in the push of the two plays. on the first play, there’s really not much penetration. On the second, we’re kinda knocking them off the line. Neither play worked, obviously, but in my mind one play shows our D getting worked over…. the other play shows what happens when a guy gets pancaked into the hole the play is coming through. Great analysis.

We are building a fighting force of extwaordinary magnitude.

by Ozarks on Feb 5, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

And that was how TJ played for the last 4-5 games. He really made strides towards the end of the season…really high on him coming in next season.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Do those strides coincide with the pickup of Pleasant to assisnt with the DLine?

Or was that earlier… Can’t remember.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius

by ArrowSpread on Feb 5, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty well dead on, honestly.

Dunno if it was all him, but TJ certainly made giant strides after he showed up.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

It never really occured to me..

Is the DLine coached to proactively engage two blockers, with emphasis on the “play-side” blocker?

Or is it more try to get some penetration in the backfield to where the DLineman would reQUIRE two blockers to keep from blowing up the play?

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius

by ArrowSpread on Feb 5, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure they coach both ways.

And it greatly depends on their gap responsibilities. If we’re setting Dorsey up to shoot a gap for a 1-on-1 matchup, obviously he’s going for penetration.

I think 3-4 DE’s do play more like the former, though. Just talking about the run, the 3-4 DE is responsible for letting the LB’s get through untouched, so they’d obviously want to proactively engage the two blockers. In the passing game, since the OL are not moving down the field to get to the second level of the defense, you’d obviously prefer a penetrating DE who can attempt to get at the QB. Since the OL can’t get down the field, the player doesn’t really care if one of the OL is “free”, whereas in the run game, they do.

Wilfork and Seymour are guys who will proactively engage for awhile, then flip the switch and run a more penetrating scheme. It keeps the OL off-guard.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification. I got the feeling from reading this, also, that the DL are intended to be more of “blockers” like offensive linemen.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Feb 5, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

In run defense, yes.

Obviously, if they can make the tackle, that’s great…but it’s quite similar to OL in that they’re doing the dirty work for someone behind them to take the glory.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Taking on the doubleteam is also related to just ending up in the O-backfield if only opposed by 1.

And it’s not so much about finishing those plays as being this foreign presence that denies all movement in the immediate vicinity. I think maybe that’s why Krumrie’s gone. Too much emphasis on the pursuit and flowing WITH the play, rather than simply denying the O-Line any flow in the first place.

Kind of an alpha dog thing. It’s not so much that the alpha dog can outrun the other members of the pack, but he’s the dog who goes where he wants, when he wants, and can’t be pushed off his spot, if he decides to stay put.

by hmills110 on Feb 5, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

TJ will get a lot stronger over the next several years.....too. Same with Dorsey

and others. These young guys are not anywhere near their potential strength yet.

by jcox31mc on Feb 5, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Summing up

Our entire defense lined up within 5 or maybe 6 yards of the line, and we still got the ball run right down our throats for long TDs. It’s not like these were draw plays or trickerations that caught us off guard, we pretty much expected them to run straight at us, we lined up for it, they did, and we still couldn’t come close to stopping them.

We are dying for an NT who commands double-teams, but the problem is, if we draft another young DL, it could take him a couple years to be good. And free agency is a muddle, a lot of people are expecting very little movement in free agency this offseason.

by Offense of the 70s on Feb 5, 2010 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, the fact that Brown is right there in the box should show that we didn't expect pass.

NT is going to be rough. Gotta get one, may not be able to get an impact one immediately.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 5, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Free Agency will be difficult

but, a trade is entirely possible…

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters

by stagdsp on Feb 5, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why

I would choose Wilfork…and do whatever it took to get him in a Chiefs jersey. A 2nd round and 3rd? I would even throw one 2nd rounder this year and one next year. We need Wilfork to advance our defense to the next level. I agree a rookie may not be able to come in and make an immediate impact.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Feb 5, 2010 12:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry. I disagree. Wilfork is a "Good to have" guy.

What if KC scored Pickett and Hampton, both? Or one of them, and Edwards continued developing with Pleasant?

Going into “must have” mode can paint you into a corner. McGlockton and (the other) Dan Williams were these kinds of acquisitions. Pioli would certainly go after Wilfork, but not at any price, else Haynesworth would’ve been a Chief last season.

by hmills110 on Feb 5, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

agree

I think Pioli will go after Wilfork but hes not going to give away everything just to get him

by banshee_01 on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Post Kalo

the photos are a nice touch.

rec’d

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Feb 5, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly

Why we need to pick up the best NT/ILB combo through FA and the Draft. This is why we need to focus on Wilfork and McClain.

by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 5, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

Very nice post

Best breakdown of our breakdowns I’ve seen. Rec’d.

by KCFanatic on Feb 5, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

I love the pictures

but I have to argue your point on Dorsey. Look at the Jacksonville photos…

Picture 1: the line of scrimmage is the 28 yard line
Picture 2: left tackle (Eugene Monroe) and Dorsey are fighting for leverage while the guard is next to Monroe but not actually engaged on Dorsey
Picture 3: Monroe has driven Dorsey back and shielding Demorrio Williams, while the guard is just waiting to get his hands on someone
Picture 4: Williams looks to have over-run the play and Monroe switches off of Dorsey to escort Williams out of the hole, the guard picked up Dorsey and drove him to the ground, and Mays got sealed off by the center on the backside of the play.

Bottom line, yes, we need a better nose tackle. That isnt a secret to anybody. However, I know I’m alone on this but I feel very strongly that Dorsey isnt strong enough to play a two-gap defense. I like him at LSU, I was excited when we drafted him, but that was under a different scheme. I dont care that he’s only 6’0’’ and not 6’5’’ like you usually see at that position. That has nothing to do with my dislike for him as a 3-4 end. I just dont think he’s strong enough and these pictures show one specific play that confirms my belief.

But really though, I do enjoy the post and good job on it!

by kc_radrh8r on Feb 5, 2010 5:46 PM CST reply actions  

There's a ring of truth, there, radrh8r.

But I’m new enough to the 3-4, myself, to question whether my impression, which is similar to yours, is more the product of the NT situation and Dorsey’s honoring responsibilities I don’t completely understand than it is just a problem with Dorsey. Even on the Jax selection on which you comment, there’s a LG without anything to do but stand there, so Monroe knows he’s covered to his inside, and can play accordingly.

I will say, though, that numerous times it seems like Dorsey’s been stalemated rather handily by a single blocker, and not much of a factor. But again, I can’t be sure that his job on those plays where I noticed this, that it wasn’t more important for Dorsey to stay in position and deny escape lanes more than look for attacking lanes. Under Cunningham, our DTs were ALWAYS looking for attacking lanes, NEARLY always losing their feet, and taking themselves out of plays with innumerable almost-but-not-quite highlight plays, instead of just doing their damn jobs.

by hmills110 on Feb 5, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Gunther played what is called 22 technique with his tackles

Both DTs lined up over the guards, and each was responsible for an ‘A’ gap as well as a ‘B’ gap. Thats the exact reason why Dorsey had that “slow rookie transition to the NFL that every defensive linemen has”. Dorsey is a one-gap shooter. He has a quick first step and his strength lies in firing off the ball and penetrating one gap. Under Cunningham, he was asked to play two gaps, which is the same as his assignments as a 3-4 end. Instead of an ‘A’ and ‘B’ gap, he now has a ‘B’ and ‘C’ gap. That’s the only difference. Despite being 300+ lbs, he just doesnt have the strength to play that kind of role. It’s not a knock on him or saying he isnt talented. It’s just not a scheme that is advantageous to his skills.

by kc_radrh8r on Feb 5, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the analysis!

As far as Dorsey goes, it’s hard to measure when you’re never sure what’s next to you. I see your points about not being strong enough and occasionally getting steamrolled, though.

If you watch the live video on that play, though, you can see Edwards plow through those two guys, so even though it looks like the guard plants him, he actually gets bowled over…unless the two happened near-simultaneously.

I agree that his strong suit is definitely not being utilized in this scheme. I always have. I know teams ran successfully to that side often, but I think that’s more a casualty of Tamba being worse against the run than Dorsey being bad at a 3-4 end. He’s no Richard Seymour, for sure, so surrounding him with talent/better coaching may clean up some of his deficiencies. Right now, with these pieces around him, and in this scheme…I’d have to agree that he’s pretty mediocre. Fingers crossed, though. =)

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 6, 2010 4:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I could be (prob'ly am) wrong, Kalo, but I'm not so sure Hali should have the outside contain.

I consider that 3-4 OLB as an extension of the d-line. Sure, he oughta be able to extend the outside run wider (and deeper) than a 4-3 DE in 5-tech, but his primary responsibility is, like Dorsey’s, to not be beaten to his inside shoulder, when embarrassing cutbacks for TDs occur. Probably NT deserves the greater share of the blame, but the ILB isn’t in the middle primarily to PLUG the middle. He’s in the middle, so that he can engage the ballcarrier to EITHER side of the field. The RB starts in the middle of the field, and, by keeping a half-step or so behind the RB, the ILB gains a step or more to the edge, when the ballcarrier has to surrender a step to the edge, the instant he turns it upfield. The ballcarrier needs to pick up 8 or more yards in order to make a significant gain and the LB only needs to pick up 4 or 5 yards to meet the ballcarrier at or near the line of scrimmage, as long as the ILB is free to flow to the edge, and doesn’t have to fear his guys in the trenches are denying the inside move.

The pair of LBs in the middle, imo, aren’t about stopping the run in the B gap (although that’s part of it). It’s about getting a pair of defenders to either side of the field, with the second guy, maybe, getting the big finish, because the OLB to that side stretched things out, the ILB to that side either finishes or blows it up, and the back-side ILB is right there to mop up. And this ignores the responsibility of the DBs in all this.

So what I’m saying is this was poor defensive play design, to my eye. Or just poor coaching. Seemed like nobody really knew what they were doing, which begs the question of whether they’re physically up to the task.

by hmills110 on Feb 5, 2010 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

Poor coaching?

With Clancy Pendergast and Crummy Krumrie? Nooooo! lol

by kc_radrh8r on Feb 5, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Quick response to this before I head off to much needed bed.

Our ILB’s are simply not good enough to flow along the LoS and catch a guy once he gets outside of our OLB’s. It seemed like we knew this and played to it, as these show.

Not saying it’s right, because obviously I’d prefer Tamba to blast through the blocker and hit the RB in the mouth, but it seemed like we were compensating.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Feb 6, 2010 4:33 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

Nicely done Kalo. It really helps to see the pix.

by Aiken_Drum on Feb 6, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

jesus christ Kalo!

Awesome effing job, and you spend entirely too much time watching and breaking down film.

I rec’d this so hard I can’t feel my… well nevermind, but anyways this is great stuff man! Keep up the good work

by readANDgold58 on Feb 6, 2010 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

Great post Kalo

I know how much work these are for you. I really appreciate the time and effort you always put in to your posts here on AP. Thanks for giving me something good to read and some anaylsis worth spending the time to think through.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Feb 7, 2010 3:42 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

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