Former Chief Scott Fujita Not a Gunther Cunningham Fan
It just occurred to me that if we had more quotes, I could write that headline with probably fifty different players' names in there.
In a well-written and interesting article from Michael Silver at Yahoo! Sports yesterday, former Kansas City Chief and current New Orleans Saints LB Scott Fujita's story was told.
Silver goes over how Fujita was adopted by a Japanese-American father and a Caucasian mother, prompting him to tell people growing up, "My name's Scott. I'm Japanese." The article hits on Fujita's passion for civil liberties; his time as "cannon fodder" for the Cal football team; and of course, his time with the Kansas City Chiefs. It's a good read. Check it out.
After leading the Chiefs in tackles in 2003, Fujita had one more successful season in KC (90 tackles, 4.5 sacks) before head to Dallas and eventually New Orleans.
What happened in KC?
"They brought in [defensive coordinator] Gunther Cunningham, who’s a [expletive]. And you can quote me on that."
I can think of about a half dozen words that would be perfectly appropriate to between those second brackets. Fujita wasn't completely soured on KC though. Silver writes, "Fujita is grateful to Vermeil for trading him to Dallas shortly before the start of the 2005 season after he had lost his starting job to free-agent signee Kendrell Bell and to Parcells for "helping to get my career back on track."
Grateful to Parcells? That makes me think there's a tiny chance Fujita would play in KC next year, considering he's a free agent after the Super Bowl.
Good luck to Scott Fujita and the Saints this weekend. I'll be rooting for them.
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I think Gunther's generally a good guy
I just think he completely lost his ability to coach effectively after DT’s injury and death broke his heart. That’s not a knock on Gunther—I think that actually shows what a committed guy he was.
I considered Fujita a lost opportunity, and I blame Peterson for screwing up on him and a number of other guys.
well to be honest
GUn went to Carl with his magical list and said that if you get me these guys we can play D. Unfortunately for the rest of us we didn’t know that Gun can’t really evaluate talent. Scott was one of my favorite players back then, young with a lot of upside and a little reckless streak. He seemed like a good foundation player.
Anyone else remeber how much it stung when he caused that turnover when we played the Cowboys after trading him? That hurt because I never saw any good reason to trade young talent.
by tebunker on Feb 4, 2010 8:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Like Jared Allen and John Tait?
Yeah. Sooooo many lost opportunities because of [insert reason here]. Can’t wait to make this team right again. I really hope Pioli & Co. get it together this season.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Feb 4, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I'll Disagree On That
I think Gunther came off as a somewhat “gruff but likeable” guy in front of the cameras on “Hard Knocks” but I’ll take Fujita’s word about what kind of a person he really is. And I think he’s a fraud as a defensive coordinator…he was only ever a great DC when he worked for Marty Schottenheimer (who had good-to-great defenses in most of his stops) and he stunk pretty much whenever he didn’t work with Marty. Gunther was usually one of the first people on a bad team to try and shift blame and throw other people under the bus so the fingers didn’t point at him. He did it with Kansas City and he did it with the Lions this year. At the beginning of each season he’d be gushing about some young player who he’d inevitably compare to players from the only good defenses he ever ran…back when Marty Schottenheimer was checking his work, then by midseason, when his defense went in the toilet he’d be running the kid down in the press and claiming that the defense’s issues couldn’t be his own fault because he worked 20 hours a day. And, of course, he couldn’t ID talent for shit.
Jon Yoon had some good pieces about Gunther’s idiocy during the 2008 season…plus, I don’t know if anyone noticed, but Detroit’s defense was just as bad this year as last…dead last in the NFL.
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Yup
And just to illustrate, here’s a clip from an interview with Cunningham in Detroit explaining why Sammie Hill (21 tackles, no sacks) was a better draft pick for the Lions than Rey Maualuga
Several draft experts believed the Lions should have taken USC linebacker Rey Maualuga in the second round. Instead, Maualuga went to the Cincinnati Bengals with the 38th overall pick, while Levy went to Detroit with the 76th overall choice.
Maualuga and Levy were on the same field last week when the Bengals beat the Lions 23-13 in Cincinnati.
“I watched Rey Maualuga in this last game and he’s a good player, but when it comes to third down, he’s off the field. Our guy doesn’t come off the field,” Cunningham said. "You can say
that Cincinnati’s winning and I’m going to say ’We’ll see down the road who was right.’
“I’m not being disrespectful to Rey, I think he’s a heckuva football player. But I think if you draft a guy (high), that guy shouldn’t come off the field — ever. He should be good enough to be able to play all three downs, and Levy can do that.”
In the fourth round, the Lions drafted Sammie Hill, a defensive tackle out of Stillman College in Alabama. Hill had a slow start to the season, then missed three games with a serious ankle injury. Since returning, he’s continued to improve his production — until the recent game in Cincinnati.
“He dropped off. He didn’t play as well as he had in previous games,” Cunningham said. “He won’t tell anybody, but I still see him limping from that ankle that he had. He never complains, he comes to practice every day and he’s given us some good games. He’s got a good future in this game and I’m glad he’s here.”
When asked if Hill, who has only 21 tackles and no sacks in nine games, can be a starter for Detroit next season, Cunningham got a little testy.
“Those people who don’t know their (butt) from first base about football, I’d like to talk to them one-on-one. To understand what Sammie Hill gives us, you have to study the tape,” Cunningham said. "Sammie Hill is a mountain of a man who came out of a small college and had a linebacker coach coaching him as a defensive lineman.
“One night we were talking and he said, ‘Coach, how good do you think I would’ve been if I had gone to Auburn?’ I said, Well, you and I wouldn’t be talking if you went to Auburn because he would’ve been a much higher draft choice and we couldn’t have got you.”
Which just highlights why Cincinnati won their division this year with a very good defense and the Detroit Lions again fielded the worst defense in the NFL…because their DC can’t judge talent even when it’s performing on a field directly in front of him. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Rey Maualuga will develop into a mainstay in Cincinnati (if he can stay out of trouble off-field after his latest incident) and that Sammie White will probably never develop into a legit starter.
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And By The Way
The Lions are idiots this year, IMO if they don’t draft heavily towards offensive line. Matt Stafford isn’t going to survive to the end of his contract with Jeff Backus protecting his blind side. They’ll probably draft a defensive tackle, but they should draft Russell Okung.
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And By The Way (I simply MUST steal this - ty UC!)
The Chiefs are idiots this year, IMO if they don’t draft heavily towards offensive line. Matt Cassell isn’t going to survive to the end of his contract with Brian Waters protecting his blind side. They’ll probably draft a defensive tackle, but they should draft Russell Okung.
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Brian Waters won’t be protecting his blind side…he’s a guard. :) That would be Branden Albert (and I think he’s good enough to play LT). But I do agree the Chiefs need o-line and if they grab Okung I’ll be happy with it.
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If They Don't Grab Okung
I feel bad for Matt Stafford. That guy showed some real guts and promise this year. That throw to Megatron for the win when he had the separated shoulder was outstanding. I can’t believe how the Lions mishandled their draft last year and gave him no protection. They could have had Oher on that line protecting their huge investment (and talent like his doesn’t drop that low that often)…but no, they grabbed a TE and let Stafford get pummeled.
It’s like watching someone enter a Ferrari in a demolition derby.
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I wanted Maualuga.
The off the field issues were an issue, but that dude is a baller. Hopefully he matures and wises up.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Feb 4, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
He’s a talent and hopefully he figures it out before he gets himself in a lot of trouble (like so many Bengals do). I actually traded for him for the Chiefs on Madden 10. :)
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Awwwha!
Those people who don’t know their (butt) from first base about football
I think we’ve found the problem. Gunther thinks he is coaching baseball.
+1
I wanted Rey so bad last year then was surprised when he fell into the second round. The whole time I was praying that the chiefs traded back into the second just to pick him up.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
It happened just recently…
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-newswire3-2010feb03,0,473611.story
not to mention this…
by NW on Feb 4, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I know about DUI
But the way it was put is as if he had issues coming out of college
Cincinnati just seems to attract the wrong crowd somehow.. LJ will break probation rules soon enough
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He did have issues coming out of college
He was known as a thug. He had a few run-ins as a minor involving fairly serious problems, and went on to be arrested for battery (ultimately he entered a diversion program) while at USC.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 4, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Oddly enough ...
… that article makes no mention of the underage (ie: under 18) girl he was partying with at the time of the accident.
A lot of people did
But gun and drug issues, as well as the out-of-control focus on 40 time (his was pretty bad), made him fall hard.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 4, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Gary Gibbs.
Pardon my ignorance, but is the Gary Gibbs referenced several times in that article (former Saints DC) the same Gibbs that is now our LB coach? That’d be another nice link.
I liked Fujita while he was here too, and certainly wouldn’t mind him coming back. Though then you get into the whole juggling of OLB discussion again.
Yup
Gibbs was a terrible DC, but I like what he did as LB coach this year.
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Thanks for the confirmation UC.
I figured that was the case. I think I’m a fan of him as a LB coach too, after Hali’s turn around and Vrabel talking him up.
When he went to Dallas, the Chiefs played them on T-giving
I remember late in the game, I said gloatingly to my Cowboys fan brother, “Man, Scott Fujita has been really quiet. today.” On the very next play, sack, strip, fumble. I had a new respect for him after that. I hope he wins the Super Bowl.
We are building a fighting force of extwaordinary magnitude.
I thought Parcels was mean prick like Haley?
Interesting how a tough, disciplinarian gets raked over the coals after replacing a soft, “players coach” who is a nice guy first and a coach second. Patting D. Bowe on the ass after drops was the worst thing to do to that lazy kid. Some in this city have said good players won’t come to KC because of Haley. Look who is gravitating to the guy: This coaching staff is top-shelf. Good football players will follow. And remember Greg Robinson and DV got rid of Donnie Edwards in his prime. The Chiefs are on their way back. The culture is appropriate for winners, not whiners.
by ChiefConcern on Feb 4, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Carl should have been fired for brining Gun back.
Clearly, that move was made to relieve Carl’s guilt for the shitty way he “fired” Gunther as head coach. And Vermeil should have never gone along with it — it was his coaching staff and Gunther seemed to be operating in a different orbit. I think Gunther’s good 90s defenses owes a lot more to Marty than to Gun. Fujita is in the Superbowl and where’s Gunther? Coaching one of the worst organizations in the NFL.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Would have been nice to learn WHY he thought Cunningham was a {expletive]
That’s the problem with journalism today – too many gaps in coverage. The glaring question, especially about something on the topic of football, was just left hanging there, incomplete.
I Think If We Look At Gunther's Career
That we can probably assume where Fujita’s dislike of him comes from. :)
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I would welcome Fujita with open arms
But I don’t see any reason why the Saints wouldn’t resign him. Lord knows we need an ILB that can cover someone and I always thought that was Fujita’s strong point.
I would be more than happy with Rolando McClain and Fujita as ILBs. It would also allow us to ship out Derrick Johnson for a draft pick.
Fujita is an OLB.
…at least according to that article. Correct me if I’m wrong?
I wish you were right though, I’d be even happier to bring him back if that was the case.
Yeah he is an OLB in Gregg Williams' 4-3 defense
But he would be an ILB if he were to come to KC in our 3-4 defense. Fujita is 6’5" / 250 lbs. so he fits the bill physically. I like having a tall guy like in the middle of the field that that can move and match up against bigger tight ends. That always seemed to be Fujita’s specialty.
Right now we don’t have an ILB that can cover someone consistently. DJ, Demorrio, and Jovan Belcher will cover on occasion, but not like we need to compete with the likes of Zach Miller, Antonio Gates, and Tony Scheffler six times a year. At OLB, Vrabel and Studebaker are both pretty solid in coverage and Tamba is definitely far off in that regard.
Bring Fujita back (and hopefully it turns out better than the Donnie Edwards situation)!!!
Thanks.
I’ve said it several times, I don’t follow anybody but the Chiefs so I miss out on a lot of this, and I’m not yet savvy enough to understand what happens when a player transitions from one D to another. I’m with you that it would be better to have him as an ILB.
And to Chris Thorman:
That makes me think there’s a tiny chance Fujita would play in KC next year, considering he’s a free agent after the Super Bowl.
Don’t tease me like that.
first off scott fujita sucks
The guys is great side line to side line no doubt but when he was with us he constantly was on his back when runs went up the middle. I would always scream at the tv when I would see the replay of the big run and u see scott fujita getting lit. And as for gunther like I have said before good players make coaches look good. We had a killer defense at the time.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Feb 4, 2010 10:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think Fujita has gotten a lot better since he left KC
He also didn’t have much of a supporting cast when he was here.
and thats what kills me about the colts head coach
And even tomlinson in pitt its like both coaches were handed super bowl teams. No doubt they are probably good coaches but the colts have the best qb on the planet and the defense is great to and with peyton on the field he is basically a coach with a uniform on. Good players make good coaches. And sometimes vise versa.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Feb 4, 2010 10:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Edit: Tomlin in Pitt. Also I tend to agree that Fujita isn't as good as we all want to believe....
…. But I wouldn’t say he sucks. To Chiefs fans he is a “one that got away” but in reality I’m not sure he would be any more impactful for OUR defense than Demorrio Williams is. Would he be an upgrade over Mays or Belcher? Probably yes. Over DJ? Probably not (when DJ is focused). I wouldn’t mind seeing Fujita in a Chiefs uniform again based soley on some solid play and because he seems like a good dude.
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
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by sexassassin on Feb 4, 2010 2:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ironically Kendrell Bell would probably have been a good fit if we were running a 3-4 at the time...
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed?
i would love to hear gunthers reply
To this. Fujita killed gunthers rep for being a horrible linebacker and gunther killed his rep by playin him I don’t know who to believe to me they both suck.
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by sexassassin on Feb 4, 2010 10:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm Sure He'll Just Point To All The Defensive Success The Team Had Once Fujita Left
Oh, wait… :)
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I like Fujita alot. Was my favorite Chief at the time.
It was a huge mistake letting him go in place of kendrell bell. Fujitas a class act that plays hard and is something the defense couldve really used all along.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Not a Gunther fan..
I agree with UC on this….we all liked his personality in front of the cameras…but he was an {expletive}.
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i dont like Cunningham
and couldnt believe he was our head coach at one time either!
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Just a couple of thoughts......
Scott Fujita is a pretty good linebacker. We should never have let him go. Fujita is also a fairly decent judge of coaches. Gunther was a dick? No kidding. That’s like saying Cheerios are round.

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